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On December 21 2011 22:14 Telcontar wrote:
Flat out accusing players of match fixing is of course wrong, but we should be allowed to question the integrity of something if it seems off. A protoss player failing to wall off his front when he has scouted a bust coming for a good amount of time (enough to plant down ~6 cannons, make additional gateways) doesn't happen often at this level. Now it could of course be a pure coincidence that it occured in a game where the protoss player losing would mean both players advance, and that they're former teammates & friends. It could just be that he messed up. However, we cannot completely rule out that something else was at work. We've seen enough incidents of this nature to not take everything on blind faith.
Of course this is impossible to look further into, and thus you might argue that it is pointless to even voice these suspicions and concerns. However, I believe everyone has a right to speak their mind as long as it is done with reason and respect.
i agree completely, but the easiest solution is just to simply change match system...
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Hope they fix the up and downs to Bo3s or something. Or just stop friggin giving out free seeds when we have talent like Polt in code A.
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Bo1 really does not bring out the best of play 
Wonder how DT's will do in a Bo3 ... We will see Inca back in code A soon enough.
Zenio might actualy get deeper, his first game was bad but he's prity solid around code A/S
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Switzerland2892 Posts
On December 21 2011 22:15 Hassybaby wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 22:13 pPingu wrote:On December 21 2011 21:52 Hassybaby wrote:On December 21 2011 21:49 Hassybaby wrote:On December 21 2011 21:47 rushian wrote:On December 21 2011 21:46 vgijamven wrote:On December 21 2011 21:44 Unreliablex wrote:
Inca did not throw away the game See http://i.imgur.com/oKdD5.png What the hell is this supposed to show. And why is one using english~? Because its apparently Huk and Zenio Zenio's ID in the game was Liquid'Zenio anyways IIRC... Nvm, it was just Zenio. Statement stands though. Clearly a picture from somewhere else If you're right the guy who posted it should be punished, throwing a random screenshot just to accuse a guy or create drama... -_- Have a look at the game (the VODs are up.) It says Zenio, but the pic says oGsZenio
I don't have a gsl ticket, but the guy was banned, so it's fine 
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This thread is shocking, seriously. The lack of respect....
Accusing a TL member in their first high profile match with their new team of match fixing with a friend without any evidence other than a (admittedly large/obvious facepalmy) mistake is just I-can't-believe-I'm-reading-this bad....
at the very very least people should give the benefit of the doubt to the players before discussing it.
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On December 21 2011 22:20 pPingu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 22:15 Hassybaby wrote:On December 21 2011 22:13 pPingu wrote:On December 21 2011 21:52 Hassybaby wrote:On December 21 2011 21:49 Hassybaby wrote:On December 21 2011 21:47 rushian wrote:On December 21 2011 21:46 vgijamven wrote:On December 21 2011 21:44 Unreliablex wrote:
Inca did not throw away the game See http://i.imgur.com/oKdD5.png What the hell is this supposed to show. And why is one using english~? Because its apparently Huk and Zenio Zenio's ID in the game was Liquid'Zenio anyways IIRC... Nvm, it was just Zenio. Statement stands though. Clearly a picture from somewhere else If you're right the guy who posted it should be punished, throwing a random screenshot just to accuse a guy or create drama... -_- Have a look at the game (the VODs are up.) It says Zenio, but the pic says oGsZenio I don't have a gsl ticket, but the guy was banned, so it's fine Names in GSL do not include team tags. It's been like that for a while. The intention of that picture was unneeded drama and basic research showed that it is obviously not related to this event.
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Aside all the dramas here... I hope Zenio get Idra at Ro48 of code S, for more drama!
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I just heard about the last game.
Are they going to take Code S away from Inca? 
I think that they will unfortunately :/
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A shame we seem to have players being accused of cheating so often nowadays. Since I missed the games, I can't really comment on them. Not a big fan of the format though. Couldn't they change it so that two games are played at once? For example Polt vs Losira and Inca vs Virus, while Zenio waits around for his next match and so on. Oh well, I'm just sad that Polt fell down do Code A. ; _________ ;
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On December 21 2011 21:16 VirgilSC2 wrote:
WHAT IS THIS?
STARGATE SHENANIGANS
INCA
WHAT ARE YOU DOING?!?!!? DO YOU EVEN KNOW HOW TO MICRO WITH AIR UNITS!?!?!?!?!
Don't you remember in the early seasons Inca had the best sg control.
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On December 21 2011 22:29 Medrea wrote:I just heard about the last game. Are they going to take Code S away from Inca? I think that they will unfortunately :/
No they won't
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Left after polt vs Losira
Can someone tell me whether inca DT'd his last 2 games as well?
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On December 21 2011 22:35 Teael wrote:
Left after polt vs Losira
Can someone tell me whether inca DT'd his last 2 games as well?
He tried DT's against Virus. Virus got turrets. Inca canceled the shrine.
In the last game it was an all-in that Inca snarfed on terribly, so he couldn't make any.
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On December 21 2011 21:38 ZAiNs wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 21:35 MiraMax wrote:On December 21 2011 21:27 Logros wrote:On December 21 2011 21:25 Assirra wrote:On December 21 2011 21:24 Logros wrote:On December 21 2011 21:23 Assirra wrote:On December 21 2011 21:22 Sea_Food wrote:
A korean throws away a game that means 2 pro gamers drop to code A. No problem.
A forgeiner throws away a meaningless game. No code S for him. Dont...even...start. It's true though. was this match less then a minute? if not its not even compareable. And that means the match wasn't thrown? Use your brain this is what Tyler mentioned before as well, it's exactly the same thing except less obvious. Zenio does a quick all-in, Inca scouts it way before it hits and 'accidentaly' leaves a gap in his wall. He even had 1 pylon powering like 3 buildings and 3-4 cannons but Zenio didn't go for it. He served the game up on a silver platter for Zenio. It's exactly NOT the same thing precisely because it is "less obvious". Failed wall-ins do happen - 7probe rushes do not. Sure, it might be that Inca threw the game intentionally, but you have to give players the benefit of the doubt, especially if they are well-known for blundering like this, but not for throwing games. It also serves to show how damaging Naniwas move was, because now everybody will start crying "cheater" and asking for "just punishment" at every instance. I don't think all that many people want Inca to be punished, but are just pointing out how unfair it was that Naniwa was punished.
naniwa punished??? when??? he just lost his seed, nothing more
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Looks like there were a couple decent games, but nothing spectacular. Good day to have skipped watching. Quite happy with the results though.
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Jesus christ.... Inca over Losira and Polt? Even Virus actually...
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On December 21 2011 22:23 caradoc wrote:
This thread is shocking, seriously. The lack of respect....
Accusing a TL member in their first high profile match with their new team of match fixing with a friend without any evidence other than a (admittedly large/obvious facepalmy) mistake is just I-can't-believe-I'm-reading-this bad....
at the very very least people should give the benefit of the doubt to the players before discussing it.
There is practically always doubt when it comes to issues like these, why would you ever want to prohibit discussion about it??
Accusing someone on one fluke alone is bad but censoring any discussion about it is even worse, regardless of that player being member of this site's team or not.
Last month should have given enough proof that pool play is simply not suited for starcraft. There are too many things that can go wrong when the match is not important for one or both players. Compare that with the fact that BO1 is regarded stupid by many even when it's multiple Bo1's against one Bo3 then it should be clear for GSL that ridding their format of pools is just best.
Simply play forms of double or single elimination, it's much more elegant and all matches will always be important for each player. The only disadvantage perhaps is that you get to see the players that win often duke it out less but having a fairer system overall is worth it. There are simply too many connections between players (clans, friends, etc.) to have pool play decide matters like this.
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To respond to MrCon's remark in the other thread:This was really a one time thing, as GOM as a rule to change the order of matches and make teammates play first when those kind of scenario happens. This time was "special", as they're not teammates officially anymore, but GOM should still have made them play first. They'll learn from this and it won't happen again I think. I only like to point out that the most important factor is not team affiliation, but the fact that a player can "choose" future potential opponents. Even if these two never were teammates, it could be that player A prefers B to advance than players C and D, just because he thinks he has better potential vs B. Then in such situation, he would have to act against his own personal interest, if he wins the game and allows C and D to have a shot and continuing further instead.
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On December 21 2011 22:23 caradoc wrote:
This thread is shocking, seriously. The lack of respect....
Accusing a TL member in their first high profile match with their new team of match fixing with a friend without any evidence other than a (admittedly large/obvious facepalmy) mistake is just I-can't-believe-I'm-reading-this bad....
at the very very least people should give the benefit of the doubt to the players before discussing it.
Everyone feels it's hard to kick a friend out of an important tournament when nothing is on the line for yourself. (Many people expressed that view in this thread.)
Hence, when blunders like this one happen, it leaves a bad aftertaste in the mouth. You can't really blame people for being suspicious, in a way it's human nature.
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On December 21 2011 22:45 harobi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 21:38 ZAiNs wrote:On December 21 2011 21:35 MiraMax wrote:On December 21 2011 21:27 Logros wrote:On December 21 2011 21:25 Assirra wrote:On December 21 2011 21:24 Logros wrote:On December 21 2011 21:23 Assirra wrote:On December 21 2011 21:22 Sea_Food wrote:
A korean throws away a game that means 2 pro gamers drop to code A. No problem.
A forgeiner throws away a meaningless game. No code S for him. Dont...even...start. It's true though. was this match less then a minute? if not its not even compareable. And that means the match wasn't thrown? Use your brain this is what Tyler mentioned before as well, it's exactly the same thing except less obvious. Zenio does a quick all-in, Inca scouts it way before it hits and 'accidentaly' leaves a gap in his wall. He even had 1 pylon powering like 3 buildings and 3-4 cannons but Zenio didn't go for it. He served the game up on a silver platter for Zenio. It's exactly NOT the same thing precisely because it is "less obvious". Failed wall-ins do happen - 7probe rushes do not. Sure, it might be that Inca threw the game intentionally, but you have to give players the benefit of the doubt, especially if they are well-known for blundering like this, but not for throwing games. It also serves to show how damaging Naniwas move was, because now everybody will start crying "cheater" and asking for "just punishment" at every instance. I don't think all that many people want Inca to be punished, but are just pointing out how unfair it was that Naniwa was punished. naniwa punished??? when??? he just lost his seed, nothing more
That is a punishment...
On topic, there's no way for gom to make a ruling against Inca here. The only thing you can say for certain is that he messed up, which can't be punished in itself. Move on people.
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