2 Koreans speaking english... yes I'm sure it's legit!
Anyway... GZ to Zenio he still beat Losira so whatever happened in the last game doesn't matter so much...
GL in Code S
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_Galad_
Greece184 Posts
On December 21 2011 21:34 Tachion wrote: What's the source on this? 2 Koreans speaking english... yes I'm sure it's legit! Anyway... GZ to Zenio he still beat Losira so whatever happened in the last game doesn't matter so much... GL in Code S | ||
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Inflicted
Australia18228 Posts
On December 21 2011 21:44 MrCon wrote: Show nested quote + On December 21 2011 21:42 Myles wrote: On December 21 2011 21:40 Maenander wrote: On December 21 2011 21:38 Giriath wrote: On December 21 2011 21:35 silverstyle wrote: On December 21 2011 21:28 tree.hugger wrote: If InCa had meant to give the game away, I can't imagine why he'd have scouted and pressured with those two early zealots. Better to just get 'surprised' by what Zenio does, or lose the game through passivity, no? Doesn't make sense to build five cannons and then misplace a building, that's not a good way to purposely lose the game. ^This was what I was thinking too, if I was Inca and wanted to throw the game I wouldn't have scouted and went for DTs straight up, perhaps with some minute delays between each building, that way if Zenio busted my front there was nothing that I could do and no one would say anything. IMO no matter what Inca did, if he made ANY MISTAKES AT ALL during the match, losira and polt fans would still cry foul. I'm sure Inca would know of the shitstorm that would ensue if he lost by making bad mistakes, but well... its Inca? There are any number of ways to throw a game. Perhaps the most subtle is to not make any attacks that could kill your opponent. I'm sad this community can't focus on what is important, so we wouldn't have this format and these arguments. It doesn't matter whether or not he intentionally threw the game or didn't play at his best because he was already through even if he lost, what matters is that because of the format he could. It's a bad format that is unfair to the players who don't get to face an opponent who may or may not give it their best because they're already through, and it's a bad format because it gives incentive for matchmaking (that doesn't have to planned) when a player who is already through faces a friend or teammate. This. It makes no sense to accuse Inca. Situations like this one should be avoided whenever possible. Isn't not having group style play the only way to stop this? Previously in the up and downs they always made teammates play first, even if they had to change the schedule. But this time it seems they're not considered teammates anymore. Then again, it gives one person the power to choose who would proceed into Code S. Had InCa and Zenio not been affiliated as former teammates (though all korean programers are probably friends), then InCa could still choose the throw the game solely on making his chances in Code S easier without Losira or Polt. | ||
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Seeker
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Where dat snitch at?36919 Posts
We see Zenio's name but the msgs from the other guy is from "my message." No name. No proof there. Please stop the accusations | ||
Hassybaby
United Kingdom10823 Posts
On December 21 2011 21:47 rushian wrote: Show nested quote + On December 21 2011 21:46 vgijamven wrote: On December 21 2011 21:44 Unreliablex wrote: Inca did not throw away the game See http://i.imgur.com/oKdD5.png What the hell is this supposed to show. And why is one using english~? Because its apparently Huk and Zenio Zenio's ID in the game was Liquid'Zenio anyways IIRC... | ||
MrCon
France29748 Posts
On December 21 2011 21:47 Inflicted_ wrote: Show nested quote + On December 21 2011 21:44 MrCon wrote: On December 21 2011 21:42 Myles wrote: On December 21 2011 21:40 Maenander wrote: On December 21 2011 21:38 Giriath wrote: On December 21 2011 21:35 silverstyle wrote: On December 21 2011 21:28 tree.hugger wrote: If InCa had meant to give the game away, I can't imagine why he'd have scouted and pressured with those two early zealots. Better to just get 'surprised' by what Zenio does, or lose the game through passivity, no? Doesn't make sense to build five cannons and then misplace a building, that's not a good way to purposely lose the game. ^This was what I was thinking too, if I was Inca and wanted to throw the game I wouldn't have scouted and went for DTs straight up, perhaps with some minute delays between each building, that way if Zenio busted my front there was nothing that I could do and no one would say anything. IMO no matter what Inca did, if he made ANY MISTAKES AT ALL during the match, losira and polt fans would still cry foul. I'm sure Inca would know of the shitstorm that would ensue if he lost by making bad mistakes, but well... its Inca? There are any number of ways to throw a game. Perhaps the most subtle is to not make any attacks that could kill your opponent. I'm sad this community can't focus on what is important, so we wouldn't have this format and these arguments. It doesn't matter whether or not he intentionally threw the game or didn't play at his best because he was already through even if he lost, what matters is that because of the format he could. It's a bad format that is unfair to the players who don't get to face an opponent who may or may not give it their best because they're already through, and it's a bad format because it gives incentive for matchmaking (that doesn't have to planned) when a player who is already through faces a friend or teammate. This. It makes no sense to accuse Inca. Situations like this one should be avoided whenever possible. Isn't not having group style play the only way to stop this? Previously in the up and downs they always made teammates play first, even if they had to change the schedule. But this time it seems they're not considered teammates anymore. Then again, it gives one person the power to choose who would proceed into Code S. Had InCa and Zenio not been affiliated as former teammates (though all korean programers are probably friends), then InCa could still choose the throw the game solely on making his chances in Code S easier without Losira or Polt. If inca zenio was played first, inca would still have had to win to be sure of advancing, wouldn't he ? Well, that's why I thought at least. | ||
TheRidd
713 Posts
On December 21 2011 21:44 Fionn wrote: Show nested quote + On December 21 2011 21:42 TheRidd wrote: On December 21 2011 21:41 DropTester wrote: On December 21 2011 21:37 GrungyMunchy wrote: Bomber didn't have any problems with bo1s. I'm guessing it's because he's actually Code S level. Bomber's play seem inconsistent, sometimes he plays really well, other times not so well. Not a great example to use But then if Losira and Polt are so consistent why did they lose to Inca? They both got cheesed. Not saying that isn't a perfectly okay strategy, but that doesn't mean Losira/Polt are not Code S level when it comes to talent. Both players are definitely Code S talent. Indeed they are, but losira lost to a more or less cheese to Inca and lost a macro game to Zenio. I feel bad for Polt though, i really like the chap :p | ||
nihlon
Sweden5581 Posts
On December 21 2011 21:44 Unreliablex wrote: People that believe that Inca and/or Zenio even has a chance in Code S better be joking. Out of the two Zenio is the better player, but I still think Code A is the place to be. Inca did not throw away the game, he really just is a diamond player with cheese tactics. 1) If they lose right away in code s they will pretty much be in code a with the new format. I don't see the big deal. 2) It's ridiciouls to call Inca a diamond player. | ||
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CosmicSpiral
United States15275 Posts
On December 21 2011 21:47 Zeroxk wrote: Show nested quote + On December 21 2011 21:43 CosmicSpiral wrote: Regardless or whether Inca threw the game or not the vast majority of the games in Up-and-Downs have been universally poor, and the BO1s exacerbate it by heavily rewarding one-time cute builds. Most of these players do not deserve to be in Code S, let alone Code A with the display of poor play they've showcased over the last 3 days. Personally I think the qualification process needs to be a lot more strict. Rofl first people complain that the Code S bottleneck is too tight and now it's too wide? Can't please everyone it seems GSL is supposed to be the showcase of the best SC2 talent in the world. What I've seen over the last 3 days is nothing short of embarrassing and it's largely due to the fact that BO1s reward short-term strategies that gain an immediate advantage. Almost all the games that have gone into the late game have been terrible from one side of the match. I didn't get up at 4:00 a.m. to watch Tassadar suicide 3 armies for no reason, Zenio forget upgrades for 17 minutes, Killer forgetting the meaning of "army positioning", and Virus pretending that he's playing PvT. | ||
Hassybaby
United Kingdom10823 Posts
On December 21 2011 21:49 Hassybaby wrote: Show nested quote + On December 21 2011 21:47 rushian wrote: On December 21 2011 21:46 vgijamven wrote: On December 21 2011 21:44 Unreliablex wrote: Inca did not throw away the game See http://i.imgur.com/oKdD5.png What the hell is this supposed to show. And why is one using english~? Because its apparently Huk and Zenio Zenio's ID in the game was Liquid'Zenio anyways IIRC... Nvm, it was just Zenio. Statement stands though. Clearly a picture from somewhere else | ||
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Inflicted
Australia18228 Posts
On December 21 2011 21:50 MrCon wrote: Show nested quote + On December 21 2011 21:47 Inflicted_ wrote: On December 21 2011 21:44 MrCon wrote: On December 21 2011 21:42 Myles wrote: On December 21 2011 21:40 Maenander wrote: On December 21 2011 21:38 Giriath wrote: On December 21 2011 21:35 silverstyle wrote: On December 21 2011 21:28 tree.hugger wrote: If InCa had meant to give the game away, I can't imagine why he'd have scouted and pressured with those two early zealots. Better to just get 'surprised' by what Zenio does, or lose the game through passivity, no? Doesn't make sense to build five cannons and then misplace a building, that's not a good way to purposely lose the game. ^This was what I was thinking too, if I was Inca and wanted to throw the game I wouldn't have scouted and went for DTs straight up, perhaps with some minute delays between each building, that way if Zenio busted my front there was nothing that I could do and no one would say anything. IMO no matter what Inca did, if he made ANY MISTAKES AT ALL during the match, losira and polt fans would still cry foul. I'm sure Inca would know of the shitstorm that would ensue if he lost by making bad mistakes, but well... its Inca? There are any number of ways to throw a game. Perhaps the most subtle is to not make any attacks that could kill your opponent. I'm sad this community can't focus on what is important, so we wouldn't have this format and these arguments. It doesn't matter whether or not he intentionally threw the game or didn't play at his best because he was already through even if he lost, what matters is that because of the format he could. It's a bad format that is unfair to the players who don't get to face an opponent who may or may not give it their best because they're already through, and it's a bad format because it gives incentive for matchmaking (that doesn't have to planned) when a player who is already through faces a friend or teammate. This. It makes no sense to accuse Inca. Situations like this one should be avoided whenever possible. Isn't not having group style play the only way to stop this? Previously in the up and downs they always made teammates play first, even if they had to change the schedule. But this time it seems they're not considered teammates anymore. Then again, it gives one person the power to choose who would proceed into Code S. Had InCa and Zenio not been affiliated as former teammates (though all korean programers are probably friends), then InCa could still choose the throw the game solely on making his chances in Code S easier without Losira or Polt. If inca zenio was played first, inca would still have had to win to be sure of advancing, wouldn't he ? Well, that's why I thought at least. In this case, yes. But the format itself presents that opportunity and someone else like Polt could've had the power to deny Losira from getting Code S because it's more beneficial for him. | ||
Reasonable
Ukraine1432 Posts
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Selendis
Australia509 Posts
BUT That's jsut my opinion. Innocent until proven guilty, I say. And there's no way to prove that Inca threw the game as opposed to making an honest mistake unless he admits it, which he won't. So, there's no use carrying on about it. And for those comparing him to naniwa... at least Inca was smart enough to cover his tracks. | ||
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Pholon
Netherlands6142 Posts
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Pholon
Netherlands6142 Posts
Matchfixing accusations are probably among the gravest and most serious things you can do. Consequently they should not be taken lightly and supported by solid evidence. If we cannot see eye-to-eye on this get ready to take your conspiracy theories elsewhere. | ||
Mobius_1
United Kingdom2763 Posts
"Inca, very well done today, but people will doubt your effort in the final game and your cheesy strategies, how do you feel about this?" "You'll bash me. You'll condemn me, set the trolls on me. Because that's what needs to happen. Because sometimes... macro games aren't good enough. Sometimes people deserve more. Sometimes people deserve to have their workers slaughtered. This town deserves a better class of cheese. And I'm gonna give it to 'em." "How far do you think you can get in Code S?" "From the moment I picked up SC2, all those months ago, not a day has gone by when I haven't thought of winning Code S. And now that I'm in Code S again... I'm in agony. The closer I get to the title, the worse it gets. The thought of not being winning Code S- I can't breathe. I'm haunted by the final that I should never have got to. My heart is beating... hoping that final will not become a scar. The Code S title is in my very soul, tormenting me... what can I do?- I will do anything it takes." "Do you have any strategy advice for other Protoss players?" "DTs! Gatewat is the path to the Dark Shrine. Gateway leads to Cybernetics Core. Cybernetics Core leads to Twilight Council. Twilight Council leads to Dark Shrine. I sense many Gateways you will make." | ||
bgx
Poland6595 Posts
On December 21 2011 22:10 Pholon wrote: This is fucking depressing. Got 20+ people lined up for 1 week trips to Disneyland. Matchfixing accusations are probably among the gravest and most serious things you can do. Consequently they should not be taken lightly and supported by solid evidence. If we cannot see eye-to-eye on this get ready to take your conspiracy theories elsewhere. some spectators are still not used to group play phenomena :p and its easier to accept thrown games rather than the fact your favorite player sucked when it mattered | ||
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pPingu
Switzerland2892 Posts
On December 21 2011 21:52 Hassybaby wrote: Show nested quote + On December 21 2011 21:49 Hassybaby wrote: On December 21 2011 21:47 rushian wrote: On December 21 2011 21:46 vgijamven wrote: On December 21 2011 21:44 Unreliablex wrote: Inca did not throw away the game See http://i.imgur.com/oKdD5.png What the hell is this supposed to show. And why is one using english~? Because its apparently Huk and Zenio Zenio's ID in the game was Liquid'Zenio anyways IIRC... Nvm, it was just Zenio. Statement stands though. Clearly a picture from somewhere else If you're right the guy who posted it should be punished, throwing a random screenshot just to accuse a guy or create drama... -_- | ||
friedchicken
United States143 Posts
On December 21 2011 21:53 Pholon wrote: Locked while I ban people for making matchfix accusations. TL <3's you Pholon. <3 | ||
Telcontar
United Kingdom16710 Posts
Of course this is impossible to look further into, and thus you might argue that it is pointless to even voice these suspicions and concerns. However, I believe everyone has a right to speak their mind as long as it is done with reason and respect. | ||
Hassybaby
United Kingdom10823 Posts
On December 21 2011 22:13 pPingu wrote: Show nested quote + On December 21 2011 21:52 Hassybaby wrote: On December 21 2011 21:49 Hassybaby wrote: On December 21 2011 21:47 rushian wrote: On December 21 2011 21:46 vgijamven wrote: On December 21 2011 21:44 Unreliablex wrote: Inca did not throw away the game See http://i.imgur.com/oKdD5.png What the hell is this supposed to show. And why is one using english~? Because its apparently Huk and Zenio Zenio's ID in the game was Liquid'Zenio anyways IIRC... Nvm, it was just Zenio. Statement stands though. Clearly a picture from somewhere else If you're right the guy who posted it should be punished, throwing a random screenshot just to accuse a guy or create drama... -_- Have a look at the game (the VODs are up.) It says Zenio, but the pic says oGsZenio | ||
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