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CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-21 13:02:12
December 21 2011 12:43 GMT
#2361
Regardless of whether Inca threw the game or not the vast majority of the games in Up-and-Downs have been universally poor, and the BO1s exacerbate it by heavily rewarding one-time cute builds. Most of these players do not deserve to be in Code S, let alone Code A with the display of poor play they've showcased over the last 3 days. Personally I think the qualification process needs to be a lot more strict.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
rushian
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom568 Posts
December 21 2011 12:43 GMT
#2362
On December 21 2011 21:40 figq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2011 21:32 Assirra wrote:
On December 21 2011 21:29 Shellshock1122 wrote:
When was the last time we had a LR thread where there wasnt an accusation of throwing a game? pre blizzcon?

Oh you better prepare yourself.
With this Naniwa case suddenly everyone will say x was throwing a match and didn't get banned while naniwa did.
This will go on for at least a month unless mods do something.
I'm surprised they dare accuse Koreans of having double standards and not punishing their own (other Koreans), when they've been much harsher to CoCa; and also allowed the Jinro/Huk ceremony overboard fun pass in the end which they clearly wouldn't have allowed for a Korean. I think it's very clear that Koreans try to treat foreigners at least as good, if not better than Koreans.

Not to mention free spots into Code A and seeds into up and down and code s. One foreigner gets punished for clearly deliberately throwing a match and suddenly GOM is biased against foreigners
"Love every protoss unit" - oGsMC
Thrombozyt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Germany1269 Posts
December 21 2011 12:44 GMT
#2363
On December 21 2011 21:41 GrungyMunchy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2011 21:38 Yaki wrote:
On December 21 2011 21:35 Hassybaby wrote:
On December 21 2011 21:34 Yaki wrote:
On December 21 2011 21:33 GrungyMunchy wrote:
To all the people bitching:

It was Losira's and Polt's fault that they're not in Code S right now. Should they won the matches as someone of Code S level is expected to, and there wouldn't be any issue.

Ever heard of bo1 ?


Ever heard of preparation?

It's Inca. He goes DTs
What did they not prepare for?
What did they lose to?

Its 100% their fault...

Polt and Losira aside, Inca clearly threw the game and that should not have happened he should have played the game just like MC gave his all against DRG on Crossfire even though it was meaningless for him : that's called sportsmanship.
Ever heard of it ?

Because people never fucked up a walloff before. Get over yourself, don't be butthurt that your favorite players didn't go through, they've got only themselves to blame if they lose against someone like InCa.

The gap in the wall isn't the suspicious part.. not trying to reseal the wall once breached is.
Goibon
Profile Joined May 2010
New Zealand8185 Posts
December 21 2011 12:44 GMT
#2364
Almost makes me miss the old up/down format with the 3 man mini loser's bracket style groups.
Leenock =^_^= Ryung =^_^= Parting =^_^= herO =^_^= Guilty
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
December 21 2011 12:44 GMT
#2365
On December 21 2011 21:42 Myles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2011 21:40 Maenander wrote:
On December 21 2011 21:38 Giriath wrote:
On December 21 2011 21:35 silverstyle wrote:
On December 21 2011 21:28 tree.hugger wrote:
If InCa had meant to give the game away, I can't imagine why he'd have scouted and pressured with those two early zealots. Better to just get 'surprised' by what Zenio does, or lose the game through passivity, no? Doesn't make sense to build five cannons and then misplace a building, that's not a good way to purposely lose the game.


^This was what I was thinking too, if I was Inca and wanted to throw the game I wouldn't have scouted and went for DTs straight up, perhaps with some minute delays between each building, that way if Zenio busted my front there was nothing that I could do and no one would say anything.

IMO no matter what Inca did, if he made ANY MISTAKES AT ALL during the match, losira and polt fans would still cry foul. I'm sure Inca would know of the shitstorm that would ensue if he lost by making bad mistakes, but well... its Inca?


There are any number of ways to throw a game. Perhaps the most subtle is to not make any attacks that could kill your opponent.

I'm sad this community can't focus on what is important, so we wouldn't have this format and these arguments.

It doesn't matter whether or not he intentionally threw the game or didn't play at his best because he was already through even if he lost, what matters is that because of the format he could.

It's a bad format that is unfair to the players who don't get to face an opponent who may or may not give it their best because they're already through, and it's a bad format because it gives incentive for matchmaking (that doesn't have to planned) when a player who is already through faces a friend or teammate.

This. It makes no sense to accuse Inca. Situations like this one should be avoided whenever possible.

Isn't not having group style play the only way to stop this?

Previously in the up and downs they always made teammates play first, even if they had to change the schedule. But this time it seems they're not considered teammates anymore.
Giriath
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden2412 Posts
December 21 2011 12:44 GMT
#2366
On December 21 2011 21:35 Seeker wrote:
Congratulations to InCa and Zenio for making it through!!!

And for those of you saying "this match was thrown." Let me just say this. Innocent until proven guilty. I saw no blatant throwing of the game going on. Pros make mistakes. We've all seen pros make tons of stupid mistakes before, let's not throw accusations around please.

These ppl know FULLY WELL the consequences of throwing a game. Match fixing is like plotting world domination to Koreans. They know better than to do it


Why wouldn't they, when it can't be proven and thus no punishment can be received, unless they do something ridiculously obvious?

It doesn't matter whether or not he intentionally threw the game or didn't play at his best because he was already through even if he lost, what matters is that because of the format he could.

It's a bad format that is unfair to the players who don't get to face an opponent who may or may not give it their best because they're already through, and it's a bad format because it gives incentive for matchmaking (that doesn't have to planned) when a player who is already through faces a friend or teammate.

I think I'll keep copy-pasting that until the TL community realizes we've gotten bad games and a lot of unnecessary drama lately because GomTV don't care to admit their format is flawed.
Education should be our seniors guiding us to be "who" we want to be, not "what" we want to be.
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
December 21 2011 12:44 GMT
#2367
On December 21 2011 21:42 TheRidd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2011 21:41 DropTester wrote:
On December 21 2011 21:37 GrungyMunchy wrote:
Bomber didn't have any problems with bo1s. I'm guessing it's because he's actually Code S level.


Bomber's play seem inconsistent, sometimes he plays really well, other times not so well. Not a great example to use

But then if Losira and Polt are so consistent why did they lose to Inca?


They both got cheesed. Not saying that isn't a perfectly okay strategy, but that doesn't mean Losira/Polt are not Code S level when it comes to talent. Both players are definitely Code S talent.
Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
Ben...
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3485 Posts
December 21 2011 12:44 GMT
#2368
On December 21 2011 21:43 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Regardless or whether Inca threw the game or not the vast majority of the games in Up-and-Downs have been universally poor, and the BO1s exacerbate it by heavily rewarding one-time cute builds.
This is what needs to be emphasized. The results would have been completely different had it not been a format that basically rewards gimmicks.
"Cliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiide" -Tastosis
Unreliablex
Profile Joined October 2011
141 Posts
December 21 2011 12:44 GMT
#2369
People that believe that Inca and/or Zenio even has a chance in Code S better be joking.
Out of the two Zenio is the better player, but I still think Code A is the place to be.

Inca did not throw away the game, he really just is a diamond player with cheese tactics.
Maenander
Profile Joined November 2002
Germany4926 Posts
December 21 2011 12:44 GMT
#2370
On December 21 2011 21:42 Myles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2011 21:40 Maenander wrote:
On December 21 2011 21:38 Giriath wrote:
On December 21 2011 21:35 silverstyle wrote:
On December 21 2011 21:28 tree.hugger wrote:
If InCa had meant to give the game away, I can't imagine why he'd have scouted and pressured with those two early zealots. Better to just get 'surprised' by what Zenio does, or lose the game through passivity, no? Doesn't make sense to build five cannons and then misplace a building, that's not a good way to purposely lose the game.


^This was what I was thinking too, if I was Inca and wanted to throw the game I wouldn't have scouted and went for DTs straight up, perhaps with some minute delays between each building, that way if Zenio busted my front there was nothing that I could do and no one would say anything.

IMO no matter what Inca did, if he made ANY MISTAKES AT ALL during the match, losira and polt fans would still cry foul. I'm sure Inca would know of the shitstorm that would ensue if he lost by making bad mistakes, but well... its Inca?


There are any number of ways to throw a game. Perhaps the most subtle is to not make any attacks that could kill your opponent.

I'm sad this community can't focus on what is important, so we wouldn't have this format and these arguments.

It doesn't matter whether or not he intentionally threw the game or didn't play at his best because he was already through even if he lost, what matters is that because of the format he could.

It's a bad format that is unfair to the players who don't get to face an opponent who may or may not give it their best because they're already through, and it's a bad format because it gives incentive for matchmaking (that doesn't have to planned) when a player who is already through faces a friend or teammate.

This. It makes no sense to accuse Inca. Situations like this one should be avoided whenever possible.

Isn't not having group style play the only way to stop this?

In this case it would have sufficed to let the "team mates" play first.
Yang Wenli
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2283 Posts
December 21 2011 12:45 GMT
#2371
I think we can all agreed that the current up/down system sucks and that the previous version was better. But formats do change and Gom needs to revamp it because current Bo1 are too volatile and this shit happens.
vgijamven
Profile Joined December 2011
Sweden95 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-21 12:46:39
December 21 2011 12:46 GMT
#2372
On December 21 2011 21:44 Unreliablex wrote:
Inca did not throw away the game


See http://i.imgur.com/oKdD5.png

User was temp banned for this post.
"If it it's important, you'll find a way. If it's not, you'll find an excuse." -Daniel Decker
hypnossc2
Profile Joined November 2011
144 Posts
December 21 2011 12:46 GMT
#2373
On December 21 2011 21:46 vgijamven wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2011 21:44 Unreliablex wrote:
People that believe that Inca and/or Zenio even has a chance in Code S better be joking.
Out of the two Zenio is the better player, but I still think Code A is the place to be.

Inca did not throw away the game, he really just is a diamond player with cheese tactics.


See http://i.imgur.com/oKdD5.png

looks like fake
why english?
0ne
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Spain2464 Posts
December 21 2011 12:46 GMT
#2374
On December 21 2011 21:46 vgijamven wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2011 21:44 Unreliablex wrote:
Inca did not throw away the game


See http://i.imgur.com/oKdD5.png

ban?
Zeroxk
Profile Joined October 2010
Norway1244 Posts
December 21 2011 12:47 GMT
#2375
On December 21 2011 21:43 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Regardless or whether Inca threw the game or not the vast majority of the games in Up-and-Downs have been universally poor, and the BO1s exacerbate it by heavily rewarding one-time cute builds. Most of these players do not deserve to be in Code S, let alone Code A with the display of poor play they've showcased over the last 3 days. Personally I think the qualification process needs to be a lot more strict.


Rofl first people complain that the Code S bottleneck is too tight and now it's too wide? Can't please everyone it seems
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
December 21 2011 12:47 GMT
#2376
Anyway, InCa will likely get demolished in Code S.
Glowbox
Profile Joined June 2010
Netherlands330 Posts
December 21 2011 12:47 GMT
#2377
On December 21 2011 21:46 vgijamven wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2011 21:44 Unreliablex wrote:
Inca did not throw away the game


See http://i.imgur.com/oKdD5.png


iirc that is huk and zenio for some non important tourney.
Tantaburs
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1825 Posts
December 21 2011 12:47 GMT
#2378
On December 21 2011 21:44 Fionn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2011 21:42 TheRidd wrote:
On December 21 2011 21:41 DropTester wrote:
On December 21 2011 21:37 GrungyMunchy wrote:
Bomber didn't have any problems with bo1s. I'm guessing it's because he's actually Code S level.


Bomber's play seem inconsistent, sometimes he plays really well, other times not so well. Not a great example to use

But then if Losira and Polt are so consistent why did they lose to Inca?


They both got cheesed. Not saying that isn't a perfectly okay strategy, but that doesn't mean Losira/Polt are not Code S level when it comes to talent. Both players are definitely Code S talent.


I didn't see the polt game but losira didn't get cheesed. He underbuilt lings to defend 3 quick zealots then died to dts after getting a late evo chamber. Inca's nexus would have only been about a min late but mass lings delayed it longer.
"One cannot play StarCraft with clenched fish.." ~Nick "Confucius" Plott
Lunchador
Profile Joined April 2010
United States776 Posts
December 21 2011 12:47 GMT
#2379
On December 21 2011 21:44 Thrombozyt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2011 21:41 GrungyMunchy wrote:
On December 21 2011 21:38 Yaki wrote:
On December 21 2011 21:35 Hassybaby wrote:
On December 21 2011 21:34 Yaki wrote:
On December 21 2011 21:33 GrungyMunchy wrote:
To all the people bitching:

It was Losira's and Polt's fault that they're not in Code S right now. Should they won the matches as someone of Code S level is expected to, and there wouldn't be any issue.

Ever heard of bo1 ?


Ever heard of preparation?

It's Inca. He goes DTs
What did they not prepare for?
What did they lose to?

Its 100% their fault...

Polt and Losira aside, Inca clearly threw the game and that should not have happened he should have played the game just like MC gave his all against DRG on Crossfire even though it was meaningless for him : that's called sportsmanship.
Ever heard of it ?

Because people never fucked up a walloff before. Get over yourself, don't be butthurt that your favorite players didn't go through, they've got only themselves to blame if they lose against someone like InCa.

The gap in the wall isn't the suspicious part.. not trying to reseal the wall once breached is.


Oh, well aren't you Mr. Starcraft expert? Tell me, how do you sneak a probe back to your ramp when speedlings and roaches are already in your base? I'd say you're already dead. Jesus, people these days, I swear to god.

And I honestly thought Inca was gonna hold it off even with the gap in his wall. A void ray almost always guarantees safety.

Defender of truth, justice, and noontime meals!
rushian
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom568 Posts
December 21 2011 12:47 GMT
#2380
On December 21 2011 21:46 vgijamven wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2011 21:44 Unreliablex wrote:
Inca did not throw away the game


See http://i.imgur.com/oKdD5.png

What the hell is this supposed to show. And why is one using english~?
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