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SuperFanBoy
Profile Joined June 2011
New Zealand1068 Posts
December 21 2011 12:39 GMT
#2341
On December 21 2011 21:37 mango_destroyer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2011 21:28 SuperFanBoy wrote:
The reason I say he threw the game away was not because he left a gap in his wall, but the fact he had 800 minerals and built a tonne of gateways in his main instead of re-walling off to stop the zerglings from reinforcing.. every pro gamer knows once they break the wall you must re-wall off to stop them from streaming in.. any high level player can see that was a throw away.


let me guess you are a high level pro gamer?


Im not pro, but I am GM on SEA/NA..

tell me why he built 7 gateways in his main instead of rewalling off when he knew it was an all in.
Mangooze
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands301 Posts
December 21 2011 12:39 GMT
#2342
Loving it! InCa beats two great players in Polt and LosirA. And as a bonus he can guarantee his friends Code S spot.

And maybe InCa doesn't have the mechanics of the current top players, but he at least comes up with original builds/strategies, even tho maybe all-in.

akalarry
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1978 Posts
December 21 2011 12:39 GMT
#2343
the guy you guys are questioning is the same guy who did 4 dt rushes in a gsl final. enough said.
OrchidThief
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark2298 Posts
December 21 2011 12:39 GMT
#2344
Well that's depressing. Hope Zenio does well this code S. I don't have high hopes for Inca. Can't believe he beat both Losira and Polt.
FlyingDike
Profile Joined December 2011
United States221 Posts
December 21 2011 12:39 GMT
#2345
On December 21 2011 18:03 ratzp0li wrote:
polt + losira

eZ

rofl
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
December 21 2011 12:39 GMT
#2346
On December 21 2011 21:39 0ne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2011 21:37 zerino wrote:
On December 21 2011 21:37 0ne wrote:
On December 21 2011 21:36 zerino wrote:
that picture, with people talking about letting him win was removed fast ?

because it was fake ?


how do you know?

There was no source and they were talking in english wtf

I also find it hard to believe that 2 players would conspire to throw a match and then post a screen shot of them talking about throwing said match within 5 minutes of the end of the match....
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figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
December 21 2011 12:40 GMT
#2347
On December 21 2011 21:32 Assirra wrote:
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On December 21 2011 21:29 Shellshock1122 wrote:
When was the last time we had a LR thread where there wasnt an accusation of throwing a game? pre blizzcon?

Oh you better prepare yourself.
With this Naniwa case suddenly everyone will say x was throwing a match and didn't get banned while naniwa did.
This will go on for at least a month unless mods do something.
I'm surprised they dare accuse Koreans of having double standards and not punishing their own (other Koreans), when they've been much harsher to CoCa; and also allowed the Jinro/Huk ceremony overboard fun pass in the end which they clearly wouldn't have allowed for a Korean. I think it's very clear that Koreans try to treat foreigners at least as good, if not better than Koreans.
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Rexeus
Profile Joined October 2011
78 Posts
December 21 2011 12:40 GMT
#2348
Finally a protoss =)
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
December 21 2011 12:40 GMT
#2349
On December 21 2011 21:39 0ne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2011 21:37 zerino wrote:
On December 21 2011 21:37 0ne wrote:
On December 21 2011 21:36 zerino wrote:
that picture, with people talking about letting him win was removed fast ?

because it was fake ?


how do you know?

There was no source and they were talking in english wtf


It also makes little sense if it was Inca throwing the game
Maenander
Profile Joined November 2002
Germany4926 Posts
December 21 2011 12:40 GMT
#2350
On December 21 2011 21:38 Giriath wrote:
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On December 21 2011 21:35 silverstyle wrote:
On December 21 2011 21:28 tree.hugger wrote:
If InCa had meant to give the game away, I can't imagine why he'd have scouted and pressured with those two early zealots. Better to just get 'surprised' by what Zenio does, or lose the game through passivity, no? Doesn't make sense to build five cannons and then misplace a building, that's not a good way to purposely lose the game.


^This was what I was thinking too, if I was Inca and wanted to throw the game I wouldn't have scouted and went for DTs straight up, perhaps with some minute delays between each building, that way if Zenio busted my front there was nothing that I could do and no one would say anything.

IMO no matter what Inca did, if he made ANY MISTAKES AT ALL during the match, losira and polt fans would still cry foul. I'm sure Inca would know of the shitstorm that would ensue if he lost by making bad mistakes, but well... its Inca?


There are any number of ways to throw a game. Perhaps the most subtle is to not make any attacks that could kill your opponent.

I'm sad this community can't focus on what is important, so we wouldn't have this format and these arguments.

It doesn't matter whether or not he intentionally threw the game or didn't play at his best because he was already through even if he lost, what matters is that because of the format he could.

It's a bad format that is unfair to the players who don't get to face an opponent who may or may not give it their best because they're already through, and it's a bad format because it gives incentive for matchmaking (that doesn't have to planned) when a player who is already through faces a friend or teammate.

This. It makes no sense to accuse Inca. Situations like this one should be avoided whenever possible.
Yaki
Profile Joined April 2011
France4234 Posts
December 21 2011 12:40 GMT
#2351
On December 21 2011 21:39 OrchidThief wrote:
Well that's depressing. Hope Zenio does well this code S. I don't have high hopes for Inca. Can't believe he beat both Losira and Polt.

Lol Zenio is not really Code S caliber neither, he should not go past the ro32
MC ■ MarineKing ■ LosirA ■ To someone who has lost after trying his best, no words from the winner can console him.
howLiN
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Portugal1676 Posts
December 21 2011 12:41 GMT
#2352
On December 21 2011 21:38 Yaki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2011 21:35 Hassybaby wrote:
On December 21 2011 21:34 Yaki wrote:
On December 21 2011 21:33 GrungyMunchy wrote:
To all the people bitching:

It was Losira's and Polt's fault that they're not in Code S right now. Should they won the matches as someone of Code S level is expected to, and there wouldn't be any issue.

Ever heard of bo1 ?


Ever heard of preparation?

It's Inca. He goes DTs
What did they not prepare for?
What did they lose to?

Its 100% their fault...

Polt and Losira aside, Inca clearly threw the game and that should not have happened he should have played the game just like MC gave his all against DRG on Crossfire even though it was meaningless for him : that's called sportsmanship.
Ever heard of it ?

Because people never fucked up a walloff before. Get over yourself, don't be butthurt that your favorite players didn't go through, they've got only themselves to blame if they lose against someone like InCa.
Yello
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany7411 Posts
December 21 2011 12:41 GMT
#2353
On December 21 2011 21:38 Yaki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2011 21:35 Hassybaby wrote:
On December 21 2011 21:34 Yaki wrote:
On December 21 2011 21:33 GrungyMunchy wrote:
To all the people bitching:

It was Losira's and Polt's fault that they're not in Code S right now. Should they won the matches as someone of Code S level is expected to, and there wouldn't be any issue.

Ever heard of bo1 ?


Ever heard of preparation?

It's Inca. He goes DTs
What did they not prepare for?
What did they lose to?

Its 100% their fault...

Polt and Losira aside, Inca clearly threw the game and that should not have happened he should have played the game just like MC gave his all against DRG on Crossfire even though it was meaningless for him : that's called sportsmanship.
Ever heard of it ?


MC said in an interview that he couldn't give his all against DRG, because he knew it was meaningless.
He actually said that he wasn't 100% focused.
Just ahead of time, know your addiction's not a crime. It's just a smaller part of who you want to become in the end.
DropTester
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia608 Posts
December 21 2011 12:41 GMT
#2354
On December 21 2011 21:37 GrungyMunchy wrote:
Bomber didn't have any problems with bo1s. I'm guessing it's because he's actually Code S level.


Bomber's play seem inconsistent, sometimes he plays really well, other times not so well. Not a great example to use
Yomi-no-Kuni
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany333 Posts
December 21 2011 12:42 GMT
#2355
zenio Oo
who would've thought!
bittman
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
December 21 2011 12:42 GMT
#2356
On December 21 2011 21:38 XRaDiiX wrote:
I hope they fix the format so this kind of akwardness possibility of suspicion of match throwing isn't possible anymore.



Agreed, I hate reading anything about suspecting match throwing / fixing etc on account of aspects of a tournament the organisers can control (like the format).
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MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
December 21 2011 12:42 GMT
#2357
On December 21 2011 21:40 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2011 21:39 0ne wrote:
On December 21 2011 21:37 zerino wrote:
On December 21 2011 21:37 0ne wrote:
On December 21 2011 21:36 zerino wrote:
that picture, with people talking about letting him win was removed fast ?

because it was fake ?


how do you know?

There was no source and they were talking in english wtf


It also makes little sense if it was Inca throwing the game

A lot of people can upload that, each caster, korean or not, the players, the referee...I still think it's a fake, but there are other possible sources than players.
Myles
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5162 Posts
December 21 2011 12:42 GMT
#2358
On December 21 2011 21:40 Maenander wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2011 21:38 Giriath wrote:
On December 21 2011 21:35 silverstyle wrote:
On December 21 2011 21:28 tree.hugger wrote:
If InCa had meant to give the game away, I can't imagine why he'd have scouted and pressured with those two early zealots. Better to just get 'surprised' by what Zenio does, or lose the game through passivity, no? Doesn't make sense to build five cannons and then misplace a building, that's not a good way to purposely lose the game.


^This was what I was thinking too, if I was Inca and wanted to throw the game I wouldn't have scouted and went for DTs straight up, perhaps with some minute delays between each building, that way if Zenio busted my front there was nothing that I could do and no one would say anything.

IMO no matter what Inca did, if he made ANY MISTAKES AT ALL during the match, losira and polt fans would still cry foul. I'm sure Inca would know of the shitstorm that would ensue if he lost by making bad mistakes, but well... its Inca?


There are any number of ways to throw a game. Perhaps the most subtle is to not make any attacks that could kill your opponent.

I'm sad this community can't focus on what is important, so we wouldn't have this format and these arguments.

It doesn't matter whether or not he intentionally threw the game or didn't play at his best because he was already through even if he lost, what matters is that because of the format he could.

It's a bad format that is unfair to the players who don't get to face an opponent who may or may not give it their best because they're already through, and it's a bad format because it gives incentive for matchmaking (that doesn't have to planned) when a player who is already through faces a friend or teammate.

This. It makes no sense to accuse Inca. Situations like this one should be avoided whenever possible.

Isn't not having group style play the only way to stop this?
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mango_destroyer
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3914 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-21 12:45:37
December 21 2011 12:42 GMT
#2359
On December 21 2011 21:41 Yello wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2011 21:38 Yaki wrote:
On December 21 2011 21:35 Hassybaby wrote:
On December 21 2011 21:34 Yaki wrote:
On December 21 2011 21:33 GrungyMunchy wrote:
To all the people bitching:

It was Losira's and Polt's fault that they're not in Code S right now. Should they won the matches as someone of Code S level is expected to, and there wouldn't be any issue.

Ever heard of bo1 ?


Ever heard of preparation?

It's Inca. He goes DTs
What did they not prepare for?
What did they lose to?

Its 100% their fault...

Polt and Losira aside, Inca clearly threw the game and that should not have happened he should have played the game just like MC gave his all against DRG on Crossfire even though it was meaningless for him : that's called sportsmanship.
Ever heard of it ?


MC said in an interview that he couldn't give his all against DRG, because he knew it was meaningless.
He actually said that he wasn't 100% focused.


Source? because he said the opposite and was trying his best in the post game interview.

Here is my source saying he was giving it his all. Cut the bullshit lies to fit your agenda.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=293964

TheRidd
Profile Joined January 2011
713 Posts
December 21 2011 12:42 GMT
#2360
On December 21 2011 21:41 DropTester wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2011 21:37 GrungyMunchy wrote:
Bomber didn't have any problems with bo1s. I'm guessing it's because he's actually Code S level.


Bomber's play seem inconsistent, sometimes he plays really well, other times not so well. Not a great example to use

But then if Losira and Polt are so consistent why did they lose to Inca?
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