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On December 21 2011 21:37 mango_destroyer wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 21:28 SuperFanBoy wrote: The reason I say he threw the game away was not because he left a gap in his wall, but the fact he had 800 minerals and built a tonne of gateways in his main instead of re-walling off to stop the zerglings from reinforcing.. every pro gamer knows once they break the wall you must re-wall off to stop them from streaming in.. any high level player can see that was a throw away. let me guess you are a high level pro gamer?
Im not pro, but I am GM on SEA/NA..
tell me why he built 7 gateways in his main instead of rewalling off when he knew it was an all in.
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Loving it! InCa beats two great players in Polt and LosirA. And as a bonus he can guarantee his friends Code S spot.
And maybe InCa doesn't have the mechanics of the current top players, but he at least comes up with original builds/strategies, even tho maybe all-in.
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the guy you guys are questioning is the same guy who did 4 dt rushes in a gsl final. enough said.
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Well that's depressing. Hope Zenio does well this code S. I don't have high hopes for Inca. Can't believe he beat both Losira and Polt.
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On December 21 2011 18:03 ratzp0li wrote: polt + losira
eZ rofl
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On December 21 2011 21:39 0ne wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 21:37 zerino wrote:On December 21 2011 21:37 0ne wrote:On December 21 2011 21:36 zerino wrote:that picture, with people talking about letting him win was removed fast  ? because it was fake  ? how do you know? There was no source and they were talking in english wtf I also find it hard to believe that 2 players would conspire to throw a match and then post a screen shot of them talking about throwing said match within 5 minutes of the end of the match....
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On December 21 2011 21:32 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 21:29 Shellshock1122 wrote: When was the last time we had a LR thread where there wasnt an accusation of throwing a game? pre blizzcon? Oh you better prepare yourself. With this Naniwa case suddenly everyone will say x was throwing a match and didn't get banned while naniwa did. This will go on for at least a month unless mods do something. I'm surprised they dare accuse Koreans of having double standards and not punishing their own (other Koreans), when they've been much harsher to CoCa; and also allowed the Jinro/Huk ceremony overboard fun pass in the end which they clearly wouldn't have allowed for a Korean. I think it's very clear that Koreans try to treat foreigners at least as good, if not better than Koreans.
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On December 21 2011 21:39 0ne wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 21:37 zerino wrote:On December 21 2011 21:37 0ne wrote:On December 21 2011 21:36 zerino wrote:that picture, with people talking about letting him win was removed fast  ? because it was fake  ? how do you know? There was no source and they were talking in english wtf
It also makes little sense if it was Inca throwing the game
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On December 21 2011 21:38 Giriath wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 21:35 silverstyle wrote:On December 21 2011 21:28 tree.hugger wrote: If InCa had meant to give the game away, I can't imagine why he'd have scouted and pressured with those two early zealots. Better to just get 'surprised' by what Zenio does, or lose the game through passivity, no? Doesn't make sense to build five cannons and then misplace a building, that's not a good way to purposely lose the game. ^This was what I was thinking too, if I was Inca and wanted to throw the game I wouldn't have scouted and went for DTs straight up, perhaps with some minute delays between each building, that way if Zenio busted my front there was nothing that I could do and no one would say anything. IMO no matter what Inca did, if he made ANY MISTAKES AT ALL during the match, losira and polt fans would still cry foul. I'm sure Inca would know of the shitstorm that would ensue if he lost by making bad mistakes, but well... its Inca? There are any number of ways to throw a game. Perhaps the most subtle is to not make any attacks that could kill your opponent. I'm sad this community can't focus on what is important, so we wouldn't have this format and these arguments. It doesn't matter whether or not he intentionally threw the game or didn't play at his best because he was already through even if he lost, what matters is that because of the format he could. It's a bad format that is unfair to the players who don't get to face an opponent who may or may not give it their best because they're already through, and it's a bad format because it gives incentive for matchmaking (that doesn't have to planned) when a player who is already through faces a friend or teammate. This. It makes no sense to accuse Inca. Situations like this one should be avoided whenever possible.
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On December 21 2011 21:39 OrchidThief wrote: Well that's depressing. Hope Zenio does well this code S. I don't have high hopes for Inca. Can't believe he beat both Losira and Polt. Lol Zenio is not really Code S caliber neither, he should not go past the ro32
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On December 21 2011 21:38 Yaki wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 21:35 Hassybaby wrote:On December 21 2011 21:34 Yaki wrote:On December 21 2011 21:33 GrungyMunchy wrote: To all the people bitching:
It was Losira's and Polt's fault that they're not in Code S right now. Should they won the matches as someone of Code S level is expected to, and there wouldn't be any issue. Ever heard of bo1 ? Ever heard of preparation? It's Inca. He goes DTs What did they not prepare for? What did they lose to? Its 100% their fault... Polt and Losira aside, Inca clearly threw the game and that should not have happened he should have played the game just like MC gave his all against DRG on Crossfire even though it was meaningless for him : that's called sportsmanship. Ever heard of it ? Because people never fucked up a walloff before. Get over yourself, don't be butthurt that your favorite players didn't go through, they've got only themselves to blame if they lose against someone like InCa.
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On December 21 2011 21:38 Yaki wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 21:35 Hassybaby wrote:On December 21 2011 21:34 Yaki wrote:On December 21 2011 21:33 GrungyMunchy wrote: To all the people bitching:
It was Losira's and Polt's fault that they're not in Code S right now. Should they won the matches as someone of Code S level is expected to, and there wouldn't be any issue. Ever heard of bo1 ? Ever heard of preparation? It's Inca. He goes DTs What did they not prepare for? What did they lose to? Its 100% their fault... Polt and Losira aside, Inca clearly threw the game and that should not have happened he should have played the game just like MC gave his all against DRG on Crossfire even though it was meaningless for him : that's called sportsmanship. Ever heard of it ?
MC said in an interview that he couldn't give his all against DRG, because he knew it was meaningless. He actually said that he wasn't 100% focused.
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On December 21 2011 21:37 GrungyMunchy wrote: Bomber didn't have any problems with bo1s. I'm guessing it's because he's actually Code S level.
Bomber's play seem inconsistent, sometimes he plays really well, other times not so well. Not a great example to use
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zenio Oo who would've thought!
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On December 21 2011 21:38 XRaDiiX wrote:I hope they fix the format so this kind of akwardness possibility of suspicion of match throwing isn't possible anymore. 
Agreed, I hate reading anything about suspecting match throwing / fixing etc on account of aspects of a tournament the organisers can control (like the format).
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On December 21 2011 21:40 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 21:39 0ne wrote:On December 21 2011 21:37 zerino wrote:On December 21 2011 21:37 0ne wrote:On December 21 2011 21:36 zerino wrote:that picture, with people talking about letting him win was removed fast  ? because it was fake  ? how do you know? There was no source and they were talking in english wtf It also makes little sense if it was Inca throwing the game A lot of people can upload that, each caster, korean or not, the players, the referee...I still think it's a fake, but there are other possible sources than players.
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On December 21 2011 21:40 Maenander wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 21:38 Giriath wrote:On December 21 2011 21:35 silverstyle wrote:On December 21 2011 21:28 tree.hugger wrote: If InCa had meant to give the game away, I can't imagine why he'd have scouted and pressured with those two early zealots. Better to just get 'surprised' by what Zenio does, or lose the game through passivity, no? Doesn't make sense to build five cannons and then misplace a building, that's not a good way to purposely lose the game. ^This was what I was thinking too, if I was Inca and wanted to throw the game I wouldn't have scouted and went for DTs straight up, perhaps with some minute delays between each building, that way if Zenio busted my front there was nothing that I could do and no one would say anything. IMO no matter what Inca did, if he made ANY MISTAKES AT ALL during the match, losira and polt fans would still cry foul. I'm sure Inca would know of the shitstorm that would ensue if he lost by making bad mistakes, but well... its Inca? There are any number of ways to throw a game. Perhaps the most subtle is to not make any attacks that could kill your opponent. I'm sad this community can't focus on what is important, so we wouldn't have this format and these arguments. It doesn't matter whether or not he intentionally threw the game or didn't play at his best because he was already through even if he lost, what matters is that because of the format he could. It's a bad format that is unfair to the players who don't get to face an opponent who may or may not give it their best because they're already through, and it's a bad format because it gives incentive for matchmaking (that doesn't have to planned) when a player who is already through faces a friend or teammate. This. It makes no sense to accuse Inca. Situations like this one should be avoided whenever possible. Isn't not having group style play the only way to stop this?
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On December 21 2011 21:41 Yello wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 21:38 Yaki wrote:On December 21 2011 21:35 Hassybaby wrote:On December 21 2011 21:34 Yaki wrote:On December 21 2011 21:33 GrungyMunchy wrote: To all the people bitching:
It was Losira's and Polt's fault that they're not in Code S right now. Should they won the matches as someone of Code S level is expected to, and there wouldn't be any issue. Ever heard of bo1 ? Ever heard of preparation? It's Inca. He goes DTs What did they not prepare for? What did they lose to? Its 100% their fault... Polt and Losira aside, Inca clearly threw the game and that should not have happened he should have played the game just like MC gave his all against DRG on Crossfire even though it was meaningless for him : that's called sportsmanship. Ever heard of it ? MC said in an interview that he couldn't give his all against DRG, because he knew it was meaningless. He actually said that he wasn't 100% focused.
Source? because he said the opposite and was trying his best in the post game interview.
Here is my source saying he was giving it his all. Cut the bullshit lies to fit your agenda. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=293964
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On December 21 2011 21:41 DropTester wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 21:37 GrungyMunchy wrote: Bomber didn't have any problems with bo1s. I'm guessing it's because he's actually Code S level. Bomber's play seem inconsistent, sometimes he plays really well, other times not so well. Not a great example to use But then if Losira and Polt are so consistent why did they lose to Inca?
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