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On November 26 2011 04:43 Swiv wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2011 04:41 AxionSteel wrote:
What's happening with Strelok, hardly see him in tournaments lately, and no record on the ladder. He was a solid allround terran, not spectacular in any matchup, but no weakness, which basically every single foreign terran has a really weak matchup.
same with tarson. what's up with them?
Tarson is inactive, doesn't play at the moment, according to Lalush in the Slayers vs Millenium thread.
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On November 26 2011 04:39 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2011 04:34 TheDougler wrote:
Wow, HuK and Sheth the only remaining representatives of North America.
Really hope a foriegner wins this... Preferably White-Ra or HuK... We need a North American in the Blizzard cup. HuK looked shaky in the games he's played so far. It might be jetlag, in which case a better showing is possible tomorrow. Sheth, on the other hand, looked good. He is a possibility. IdrA bombing out is, unfortunately, "standard" once again. IdrA looked really strong a month or two back when he won IEM Guangzhou and then 2-1'd Bomber. But then he went on a gradual slide into his current state of losing in every match-up.
It's pretty obvious now that Bomber was already on a gradual slide himself at that point. So really, I don't think Idra really returned to form all that much to begin with, as a LOT of weight was put into that series. Without that result, nobody would be touting Idra's "great comeback" with nearly as much force.
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On November 26 2011 04:50 TheSwamp wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2011 04:49 Poopi wrote:On November 26 2011 04:43 MasterKush wrote:On November 26 2011 04:41 AxionSteel wrote:
What's happening with Strelok, hardly see him in tournaments lately, and no record on the ladder. He was a solid allround terran, not spectacular in any matchup, but no weakness, which basically every single foreign terran has a really weak matchup.
I'd give it to thorzain just, but his play really seems to be slipping. I do wonder if he's actually practicing as much as he was. I'm looking forward to seeing how Kas and Happy play later today, Kas seems in great form lately and i'd love to see him do well at a live event.
I'd love to see Kas actually win a tournament as prestigious as this too. Unfortunately he seems to have "MKP Disease" where he chokes at the quarters/semi's of most competitions.  What? MKP doesn't choke (except maybe in his first final against NesTea) What about his two finals against MVP?
He didn't choke, at least not in the second one since Mvp was just better.
The first one I saw the games but can't remember them lol, Mvp was too good back then too
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On November 26 2011 04:50 TheSwamp wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2011 04:49 Poopi wrote:On November 26 2011 04:43 MasterKush wrote:On November 26 2011 04:41 AxionSteel wrote:
What's happening with Strelok, hardly see him in tournaments lately, and no record on the ladder. He was a solid allround terran, not spectacular in any matchup, but no weakness, which basically every single foreign terran has a really weak matchup.
I'd give it to thorzain just, but his play really seems to be slipping. I do wonder if he's actually practicing as much as he was. I'm looking forward to seeing how Kas and Happy play later today, Kas seems in great form lately and i'd love to see him do well at a live event.
I'd love to see Kas actually win a tournament as prestigious as this too. Unfortunately he seems to have "MKP Disease" where he chokes at the quarters/semi's of most competitions. What? MKP doesn't choke (except maybe in his first final against NesTea) What about his two finals against MVP?
I don't think that was choking in as much as he just cannot defeat MVP. That being said, his strategies due seem very desperate a la a choking.
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On November 26 2011 04:50 TheSwamp wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2011 04:49 Poopi wrote:On November 26 2011 04:43 MasterKush wrote:On November 26 2011 04:41 AxionSteel wrote:
What's happening with Strelok, hardly see him in tournaments lately, and no record on the ladder. He was a solid allround terran, not spectacular in any matchup, but no weakness, which basically every single foreign terran has a really weak matchup.
I'd give it to thorzain just, but his play really seems to be slipping. I do wonder if he's actually practicing as much as he was. I'm looking forward to seeing how Kas and Happy play later today, Kas seems in great form lately and i'd love to see him do well at a live event.
I'd love to see Kas actually win a tournament as prestigious as this too. Unfortunately he seems to have "MKP Disease" where he chokes at the quarters/semi's of most competitions. What? MKP doesn't choke (except maybe in his first final against NesTea) What about his two finals against MVP?
Losing to a better player =/= choking.
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On November 26 2011 04:50 Xoronius wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2011 04:41 ZenithM wrote:On November 26 2011 04:37 AlternativeEgo wrote:On November 26 2011 04:32 McFeser wrote:On November 26 2011 04:30 AlternativeEgo wrote:On November 26 2011 04:28 Kevan wrote:On November 26 2011 04:27 BlackGosu wrote:On November 26 2011 04:26 Flonomenalz wrote:On November 26 2011 04:23 Zzoram wrote:On November 26 2011 04:20 Packawana wrote:
And that's it, all the Koreans into the Ro16.
I'm putting bets right now on DRG or PuMa to take the tourney. HerO less so only because there are a lot of good zergs left over. Writing off all the known Koreans was an obvious mistake. The known Koreans have been playing very strong and haven't lost any series to non-Koreans. Stephano, Thorzain, SeleCT, Sen, elfi and Idra are all out despite being thought to be potential winners. Lol come on, nobody actually thought Thorzain or elfi stood a chance. ??? thorzain was the best euro at one point Best foreigner terran still. (If I'm not forgetting someone obvious.) Kas is up there. Team Empire got some fierce terrans. Other that that? Select. DeMuslim is not. Why is Demuslim not considered good? Anyways, don't forget about Strelok either. And . . . I think that is it. Of course he is "good" but I do not reconsider him to be up there with the others. He's top among the NA terrans tho, if it's ok to count him as one of them. Forgot about Strelok. He's pretty solid.  Lol, NA Terrans, I forgot that. Is there any good NA Terran atm? I'm looking at NA GM right now, and there is NoNge, who is most likely some korean smurf. And then NamhciR...Are your serious? NA needs to Terran it up fast and serious :D Terran does seem to be the harder race. The weaker the ladder, the less you see Terrans Hmm, Drewbie maybe? Or dde? Pokebunny? Trimaster) The list of good NA Terrans seems very short. But this can be also said for Protoss or zerg, NA has a solid Top 10-15 but after that, there is a big difference to the rest of the players.
Drewbie hasn't shown any improvement from Korea yet. Pokebunny wins small lans but has yet take any decent placings at a major tourny. dde is so good, but n idea why he doesn't do well. Trimaster was a fluke IMO. The only good Terran NA has is Select.
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On November 26 2011 04:50 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2011 04:50 TheSwamp wrote:On November 26 2011 04:49 Poopi wrote:On November 26 2011 04:43 MasterKush wrote:On November 26 2011 04:41 AxionSteel wrote:
What's happening with Strelok, hardly see him in tournaments lately, and no record on the ladder. He was a solid allround terran, not spectacular in any matchup, but no weakness, which basically every single foreign terran has a really weak matchup.
I'd give it to thorzain just, but his play really seems to be slipping. I do wonder if he's actually practicing as much as he was. I'm looking forward to seeing how Kas and Happy play later today, Kas seems in great form lately and i'd love to see him do well at a live event.
I'd love to see Kas actually win a tournament as prestigious as this too. Unfortunately he seems to have "MKP Disease" where he chokes at the quarters/semi's of most competitions. What? MKP doesn't choke (except maybe in his first final against NesTea) What about his two finals against MVP? He didn't choke, at least not in the second one since Mvp was just better. The first one I saw the games but can't remember them lol, Mvp was too good back then too
After I wrote that I realised it was the wrong analogy to use. I was referring to him failing at the last hurdle against MKP in the GSL though yeah. I dunno what it is, but he seems to be a player that does really well, only up to a certain point. That's a really vague statement to make I know, but it makes sense to me haha.
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On November 26 2011 04:52 red4ce wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2011 04:50 TheSwamp wrote:On November 26 2011 04:49 Poopi wrote:On November 26 2011 04:43 MasterKush wrote:On November 26 2011 04:41 AxionSteel wrote:
What's happening with Strelok, hardly see him in tournaments lately, and no record on the ladder. He was a solid allround terran, not spectacular in any matchup, but no weakness, which basically every single foreign terran has a really weak matchup.
I'd give it to thorzain just, but his play really seems to be slipping. I do wonder if he's actually practicing as much as he was. I'm looking forward to seeing how Kas and Happy play later today, Kas seems in great form lately and i'd love to see him do well at a live event.
I'd love to see Kas actually win a tournament as prestigious as this too. Unfortunately he seems to have "MKP Disease" where he chokes at the quarters/semi's of most competitions. What? MKP doesn't choke (except maybe in his first final against NesTea) What about his two finals against MVP? Losing to a better player =/= choking.
And TvT is definitely not adapted at all to MKP's style. No wonder it's his worst matchup.
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On November 26 2011 04:52 TheSwamp wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2011 04:50 Xoronius wrote:On November 26 2011 04:41 ZenithM wrote:On November 26 2011 04:37 AlternativeEgo wrote:On November 26 2011 04:32 McFeser wrote:On November 26 2011 04:30 AlternativeEgo wrote:On November 26 2011 04:28 Kevan wrote:On November 26 2011 04:27 BlackGosu wrote:On November 26 2011 04:26 Flonomenalz wrote:On November 26 2011 04:23 Zzoram wrote:
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Writing off all the known Koreans was an obvious mistake. The known Koreans have been playing very strong and haven't lost any series to non-Koreans.
Stephano, Thorzain, SeleCT, Sen, elfi and Idra are all out despite being thought to be potential winners. Lol come on, nobody actually thought Thorzain or elfi stood a chance. ??? thorzain was the best euro at one point Best foreigner terran still. (If I'm not forgetting someone obvious.) Kas is up there. Team Empire got some fierce terrans. Other that that? Select. DeMuslim is not. Why is Demuslim not considered good? Anyways, don't forget about Strelok either. And . . . I think that is it. Of course he is "good" but I do not reconsider him to be up there with the others. He's top among the NA terrans tho, if it's ok to count him as one of them. Forgot about Strelok. He's pretty solid. Lol, NA Terrans, I forgot that. Is there any good NA Terran atm? I'm looking at NA GM right now, and there is NoNge, who is most likely some korean smurf. And then NamhciR...Are your serious? NA needs to Terran it up fast and serious :D Terran does seem to be the harder race. The weaker the ladder, the less you see Terrans Hmm, Drewbie maybe? Or dde? Pokebunny? Trimaster) The list of good NA Terrans seems very short. But this can be also said for Protoss or zerg, NA has a solid Top 10-15 but after that, there is a big difference to the rest of the players. Drewbie hasn't shown any improvement from Korea yet. Pokebunny wins small lans but has yet take any decent placings at a major tourny. dde is so good, but n idea why he doesn't do well. Trimaster was a fluke IMO. The only good Terran NA has is Select.
Well drewbie did beat stephano in Nasl recently... but I suppose stephano is slumping pretty hard lately.
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NoNge is Major, apparently he has 2 accounts in NA's gm.
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No one has any idea of what lovely music Day is showing the world? I would kill to have a song list T.T
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Anywhere i can go and watch the ArTLOsis cast?
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On November 26 2011 04:50 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2011 04:50 TheSwamp wrote:On November 26 2011 04:49 Poopi wrote:On November 26 2011 04:43 MasterKush wrote:On November 26 2011 04:41 AxionSteel wrote:
What's happening with Strelok, hardly see him in tournaments lately, and no record on the ladder. He was a solid allround terran, not spectacular in any matchup, but no weakness, which basically every single foreign terran has a really weak matchup.
I'd give it to thorzain just, but his play really seems to be slipping. I do wonder if he's actually practicing as much as he was. I'm looking forward to seeing how Kas and Happy play later today, Kas seems in great form lately and i'd love to see him do well at a live event.
I'd love to see Kas actually win a tournament as prestigious as this too. Unfortunately he seems to have "MKP Disease" where he chokes at the quarters/semi's of most competitions. What? MKP doesn't choke (except maybe in his first final against NesTea) What about his two finals against MVP? He didn't choke, at least not in the second one since Mvp was just better. The first one I saw the games but can't remember them lol, Mvp was too good back then too
Dude the second one was actually nailbightingly close in comparison to the first one, that was the biggest roflstomp ever lol.
I can vaguely remember MKP trying those basetrade antics that he used on NaDa but Mvp was having none of that
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On November 26 2011 04:52 TheSwamp wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2011 04:50 Xoronius wrote:On November 26 2011 04:41 ZenithM wrote:On November 26 2011 04:37 AlternativeEgo wrote:On November 26 2011 04:32 McFeser wrote:On November 26 2011 04:30 AlternativeEgo wrote:On November 26 2011 04:28 Kevan wrote:On November 26 2011 04:27 BlackGosu wrote:On November 26 2011 04:26 Flonomenalz wrote:On November 26 2011 04:23 Zzoram wrote:
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Writing off all the known Koreans was an obvious mistake. The known Koreans have been playing very strong and haven't lost any series to non-Koreans.
Stephano, Thorzain, SeleCT, Sen, elfi and Idra are all out despite being thought to be potential winners. Lol come on, nobody actually thought Thorzain or elfi stood a chance. ??? thorzain was the best euro at one point Best foreigner terran still. (If I'm not forgetting someone obvious.) Kas is up there. Team Empire got some fierce terrans. Other that that? Select. DeMuslim is not. Why is Demuslim not considered good? Anyways, don't forget about Strelok either. And . . . I think that is it. Of course he is "good" but I do not reconsider him to be up there with the others. He's top among the NA terrans tho, if it's ok to count him as one of them. Forgot about Strelok. He's pretty solid. Lol, NA Terrans, I forgot that. Is there any good NA Terran atm? I'm looking at NA GM right now, and there is NoNge, who is most likely some korean smurf. And then NamhciR...Are your serious? NA needs to Terran it up fast and serious :D Terran does seem to be the harder race. The weaker the ladder, the less you see Terrans Hmm, Drewbie maybe? Or dde? Pokebunny? Trimaster) The list of good NA Terrans seems very short. But this can be also said for Protoss or zerg, NA has a solid Top 10-15 but after that, there is a big difference to the rest of the players. Drewbie hasn't shown any improvement from Korea yet. Pokebunny wins small lans but has yet take any decent placings at a major tourny. dde is so good, but n idea why he doesn't do well. Trimaster was a fluke IMO. The only good Terran NA has is Select.
SeleCT is korean, and plays in a Europe based team. He now lives in Korea and plays on that ladder exclusively.
Yeah, best NA Terran indeed.
Puma is actually a more valid choice, if we go by SeleCT's standards.
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On November 26 2011 04:50 Qaatar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2011 04:39 Azarkon wrote:On November 26 2011 04:34 TheDougler wrote:
Wow, HuK and Sheth the only remaining representatives of North America.
Really hope a foriegner wins this... Preferably White-Ra or HuK... We need a North American in the Blizzard cup. HuK looked shaky in the games he's played so far. It might be jetlag, in which case a better showing is possible tomorrow. Sheth, on the other hand, looked good. He is a possibility. IdrA bombing out is, unfortunately, "standard" once again. IdrA looked really strong a month or two back when he won IEM Guangzhou and then 2-1'd Bomber. But then he went on a gradual slide into his current state of losing in every match-up. It's pretty obvious now that Bomber was already on a gradual slide himself at that point. So really, I don't think Idra really returned to form all that much to begin with, as a LOT of weight was put into that series. Without that result, nobody would be touting Idra's "great comeback" with nearly as much force.
People were speaking of IdrA's return because he was playing incredibly well, you could see it in everything in his play, and in his approach to every serie, he really was 'back'. That IdrA has gone away again now it seems, and we have to endure his shadow for the time being, an emotionally immature mentally unstable creature. Its so sad because an IdrA in control of his faculties is a match for anyone in the world in my opinion.
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Would restreaming audio only be breaking any rules? :/ There are always people complaining about not having bandwidth and so on so I set up a restream with just results on screen and then audio from the DH stream. Is that okay?
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On November 26 2011 04:52 TheSwamp wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2011 04:50 Xoronius wrote:On November 26 2011 04:41 ZenithM wrote:On November 26 2011 04:37 AlternativeEgo wrote:On November 26 2011 04:32 McFeser wrote:On November 26 2011 04:30 AlternativeEgo wrote:On November 26 2011 04:28 Kevan wrote:On November 26 2011 04:27 BlackGosu wrote:On November 26 2011 04:26 Flonomenalz wrote:On November 26 2011 04:23 Zzoram wrote:
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Writing off all the known Koreans was an obvious mistake. The known Koreans have been playing very strong and haven't lost any series to non-Koreans.
Stephano, Thorzain, SeleCT, Sen, elfi and Idra are all out despite being thought to be potential winners. Lol come on, nobody actually thought Thorzain or elfi stood a chance. ??? thorzain was the best euro at one point Best foreigner terran still. (If I'm not forgetting someone obvious.) Kas is up there. Team Empire got some fierce terrans. Other that that? Select. DeMuslim is not. Why is Demuslim not considered good? Anyways, don't forget about Strelok either. And . . . I think that is it. Of course he is "good" but I do not reconsider him to be up there with the others. He's top among the NA terrans tho, if it's ok to count him as one of them. Forgot about Strelok. He's pretty solid. Lol, NA Terrans, I forgot that. Is there any good NA Terran atm? I'm looking at NA GM right now, and there is NoNge, who is most likely some korean smurf. And then NamhciR...Are your serious? NA needs to Terran it up fast and serious :D Terran does seem to be the harder race. The weaker the ladder, the less you see Terrans Hmm, Drewbie maybe? Or dde? Pokebunny? Trimaster) The list of good NA Terrans seems very short. But this can be also said for Protoss or zerg, NA has a solid Top 10-15 but after that, there is a big difference to the rest of the players. Drewbie hasn't shown any improvement from Korea yet. Pokebunny wins small lans but has yet take any decent placings at a major tourny. dde is so good, but n idea why he doesn't do well. Trimaster was a fluke IMO. The only good Terran NA has is Select.
That's not true, we have KawaiiRice who qualified for the champ brackets in 4 MLGs this year and is a mechanical beast, Major who is solid as a player, and QXC who has been in a bit of a slump, but not lets forget his GSTL all kill 4 months ago.
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Day[9] stream with epic music~
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On November 26 2011 04:56 AxionSteel wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2011 04:50 Poopi wrote:On November 26 2011 04:50 TheSwamp wrote:On November 26 2011 04:49 Poopi wrote:On November 26 2011 04:43 MasterKush wrote:On November 26 2011 04:41 AxionSteel wrote:
What's happening with Strelok, hardly see him in tournaments lately, and no record on the ladder. He was a solid allround terran, not spectacular in any matchup, but no weakness, which basically every single foreign terran has a really weak matchup.
I'd give it to thorzain just, but his play really seems to be slipping. I do wonder if he's actually practicing as much as he was. I'm looking forward to seeing how Kas and Happy play later today, Kas seems in great form lately and i'd love to see him do well at a live event.
I'd love to see Kas actually win a tournament as prestigious as this too. Unfortunately he seems to have "MKP Disease" where he chokes at the quarters/semi's of most competitions. What? MKP doesn't choke (except maybe in his first final against NesTea) What about his two finals against MVP? He didn't choke, at least not in the second one since Mvp was just better. The first one I saw the games but can't remember them lol, Mvp was too good back then too Dude the second one was actually nailbightingly close in comparison to the first one, that was the biggest roflstomp ever lol. I can vaguely remember MKP trying those basetrade antics that he used on NaDa but Mvp was having none of that
MVP stomped him in the first two games, then in the third, MVP tried some 3 base Battlecruiser switch that just couldn't be supported by his economy, and MKP came back with a huge tank push. 4th game, MKP cheesed him out on Crossfire. Last two were dominations again. It really wasn't that close, although it was a good series.
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