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On November 18 2011 19:56 Mosquitow wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2011 19:29 Oktyabr wrote:On November 18 2011 15:24 Megatronn wrote:On November 18 2011 14:54 selboN wrote:On November 18 2011 14:36 Megatronn wrote:On November 18 2011 12:42 iNcontroL wrote:Sounds like millennium shouldn't have accepted to play. Also, lalush why no gg in invitational match? Even idra would gg There  Why don't you win a match at MLG? Who are you again? Oh, no one knows. Incontrol is a much better player than you, in all likely-hood. He is also an esteemed member of this forum. Next time check to see if you're on Youtube before you hit the "post" button. Thanks. I'll bo7 him anytime. Beaten him on ladder, he's not that good... Not the biggest incontrol fan here, but he has a point. Mill had an obligation to provide a full lineup to IPL for the games, and if they couldn't muster a full team within the specified timeframe, they should have tried to inform IPL beforehand. Afterall, IPL's bounty was supposed to be worth a full clan war. They're disappointing fans + IPL big time that way, which could have simpy been avoided by not playing at all so that IPL can arrange for another team on another date. I don't think Slayers care that much about having 1 less game played, so long as they collect the full bounty. Obligation? Whatever you're smoking, I want some.
Duh? IPL didn't invite them with having only 1-4 players on that lineup during match day, it was clear as hell that Mill was supposed to present 5 players. There were no repercussions for Mill, great for them. That doesn't mean they didn't fuck up on this one.
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It's an upset. But well, S* happens.
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On November 18 2011 20:20 koolaid1990 wrote:
lol @ lalush explanation....
"we didnt intentionally mean anything" but he didnt even gg which is total bm against koreans LOL
and why even play the showmatch if you didnt have a full team to play in the first place?
why not just forfeit the entire match "due to lack of players?"
why ACCEPT?
I'd rather watch five games of SC2 than no games of SC2.
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On November 18 2011 21:49 bbm wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2011 20:20 koolaid1990 wrote:
lol @ lalush explanation....
"we didnt intentionally mean anything" but he didnt even gg which is total bm against koreans LOL
and why even play the showmatch if you didnt have a full team to play in the first place?
why not just forfeit the entire match "due to lack of players?"
why ACCEPT? I'd rather watch five games of SC2 than no games of SC2.
If pointing at something worse would make bad things good, we would live in a really good world, you know?
Like "Oh, I'd rather blablabla than blablabla and have my arm broken".
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On November 18 2011 21:13 Agathon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2011 21:09 MurtiBing wrote:On November 18 2011 20:23 AIOL! wrote:On November 18 2011 15:14 Otolia wrote:
What I learned from that thread :
* SlayerS was playing for the show and they won.
* Curiously Adelscott was the only play in [M] to win a game. It was a PvP
* Lalush left a game without gg.
* Millenium couldn't field their last player and had to forfeit. Lalush explained clearly the reasons
That's from the good part. Now the bad part :
* You can troll people and insult them as long as these are french, god forbid you, do NOT do the same with the mighty USA.
* Our fellow US friends think their own moral value are the value that the world should respect.
* People are getting all stinky and arrogant and insults each other.
* Nobody is going to get banned.
Some might say, there is a strong bias towards a certain attitude ... I'm not totally agree with you since it's a typical french anti american reaction but there's one thing i note : when Idra BMs he's a mighty genius, when lalush does he's just a shit. There's a bias there, but i don't even think this is because idra is american, he has just a lot of american fan -> the american fan don't flame him and there's lot of these guys round there  . People tend to be more forgiving towards a player who is actually good. So why blame his behaviour and speak about respect if just the player's level is important?
It's not like player's level is all that matters. But it might be seen by many people as a redeming factor. When Stephano was involved it the "Col. transfer incident", many ppl defended him on TL saying he is "young and talented and it would be a shame...".
On topic. Millenium acted in a highly unprofessional way. You either have a team ready or you don't. If you don't - don't compete. As someone pointed out earlier - Alternate had similar problems, but they found a replacement. IPL is organizing these events to be broadcasted. People who tune in have the right to expect a certain number of games (a full match).
As cliche as it sounds - if something is killing e-sports, its the walkovers/no-shows/forfeits (e.g. in the NASL).
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On November 18 2011 22:17 MurtiBing wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2011 21:13 Agathon wrote:On November 18 2011 21:09 MurtiBing wrote:On November 18 2011 20:23 AIOL! wrote:On November 18 2011 15:14 Otolia wrote:
What I learned from that thread :
* SlayerS was playing for the show and they won.
* Curiously Adelscott was the only play in [M] to win a game. It was a PvP
* Lalush left a game without gg.
* Millenium couldn't field their last player and had to forfeit. Lalush explained clearly the reasons
That's from the good part. Now the bad part :
* You can troll people and insult them as long as these are french, god forbid you, do NOT do the same with the mighty USA.
* Our fellow US friends think their own moral value are the value that the world should respect.
* People are getting all stinky and arrogant and insults each other.
* Nobody is going to get banned.
Some might say, there is a strong bias towards a certain attitude ... I'm not totally agree with you since it's a typical french anti american reaction but there's one thing i note : when Idra BMs he's a mighty genius, when lalush does he's just a shit. There's a bias there, but i don't even think this is because idra is american, he has just a lot of american fan -> the american fan don't flame him and there's lot of these guys round there . People tend to be more forgiving towards a player who is actually good. So why blame his behaviour and speak about respect if just the player's level is important? It's not like player's level is all that matters. But it might be seen by many people as a redeming factor. When Stephano was involved it the "Col. transfer incident", many ppl defended him on TL saying he is "young and talented and it would be a shame...". On topic. Millenium acted in a highly unprofessional way. You either have a team ready or you don't. If you don't - don't compete. As someone pointed out earlier - Alternate had similar problems, but they found a replacement. IPL is organizing these events to be broadcasted. People who tune in have the right to expect a certain number of games (a full match). As cliche as it sounds - if something is killing e-sports, its the walkovers/no-shows/forfeits (e.g. in the NASL).
What i saw was more like an anti-Stephano-Millenium-french thread, stop arguing wrong things, i even remember a poll where "65% will never forgive Stepha for what he did he almost killed esport". Few week after everybody was saying he was the best player eva and he would destroy MVP in a blind one-handed b07.
I mean this is just TL, in 3 days everybody will forget this issue
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No-shows and forfeits will stop when those who organize events will make sure events don't overlap. In football, world cup is not played during national championships. At the moment, there is no real global planning, players are invited left and right, travel a lot and can't make all events. Are the players / teams responsible ? sure. Are the organizers reponsible ? As well. Why the heck wasn't this match organized on a saturday at 10 AM EU / 6 PM Korea....? Whose fault it is ?
That said, Millenium should have presented a full team, they actually planned to, but shit happens, especially at 1 AM ...They have a team of 7, one went inactive, another wasn't meant to participate (Kleenex), so they find themselves w/o backup, which led to the problem. Maybe their coatch (lwl, barely master) should have played to satisfy your needs ? 
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On November 18 2011 22:29 AIOL! wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2011 22:17 MurtiBing wrote:On November 18 2011 21:13 Agathon wrote:On November 18 2011 21:09 MurtiBing wrote:On November 18 2011 20:23 AIOL! wrote:On November 18 2011 15:14 Otolia wrote:
What I learned from that thread :
* SlayerS was playing for the show and they won.
* Curiously Adelscott was the only play in [M] to win a game. It was a PvP
* Lalush left a game without gg.
* Millenium couldn't field their last player and had to forfeit. Lalush explained clearly the reasons
That's from the good part. Now the bad part :
* You can troll people and insult them as long as these are french, god forbid you, do NOT do the same with the mighty USA.
* Our fellow US friends think their own moral value are the value that the world should respect.
* People are getting all stinky and arrogant and insults each other.
* Nobody is going to get banned.
Some might say, there is a strong bias towards a certain attitude ... I'm not totally agree with you since it's a typical french anti american reaction but there's one thing i note : when Idra BMs he's a mighty genius, when lalush does he's just a shit. There's a bias there, but i don't even think this is because idra is american, he has just a lot of american fan -> the american fan don't flame him and there's lot of these guys round there . People tend to be more forgiving towards a player who is actually good. So why blame his behaviour and speak about respect if just the player's level is important? It's not like player's level is all that matters. But it might be seen by many people as a redeming factor. When Stephano was involved it the "Col. transfer incident", many ppl defended him on TL saying he is "young and talented and it would be a shame...". On topic. Millenium acted in a highly unprofessional way. You either have a team ready or you don't. If you don't - don't compete. As someone pointed out earlier - Alternate had similar problems, but they found a replacement. IPL is organizing these events to be broadcasted. People who tune in have the right to expect a certain number of games (a full match). As cliche as it sounds - if something is killing e-sports, its the walkovers/no-shows/forfeits (e.g. in the NASL). What i saw was more like an anti-Stephano-Millenium-french thread, stop arguing wrong things, i even remember a poll where "65% will never forgive Stepha for what he did he almost killed esport". Few week after everybody was saying he was the best player eva and he would destroy MVP in a blind one-handed b07. I mean this is just TL, in 3 days everybody will forget this issue
If Stephano was less talented French player probably 99% of people would say he's done with SC2 community. My point was that people in general tend to see talent and quality of a player as a redeeming factor for his flaws, not that TL loves French players and teams.
I agree that everyone will forget as soon as MLG starts.
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Some people in this thread really over-reacted to "defend" Stephano's loss. No serious people would say he's suddenly bad because of this loss. All we have been trying to do is neutralize the over-hyped part of it.
On November 16 2011 12:59 red4ce wrote:
The only chance for Slayers to beat Stephano is Ganzi taking him down or one of the zergs getting a lucky BO win. Once/If Stephano loses the rest of Millenium will be a walkover.
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On November 18 2011 22:56 MurtiBing wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2011 22:29 AIOL! wrote:On November 18 2011 22:17 MurtiBing wrote:On November 18 2011 21:13 Agathon wrote:On November 18 2011 21:09 MurtiBing wrote:On November 18 2011 20:23 AIOL! wrote:On November 18 2011 15:14 Otolia wrote:
What I learned from that thread :
* SlayerS was playing for the show and they won.
* Curiously Adelscott was the only play in [M] to win a game. It was a PvP
* Lalush left a game without gg.
* Millenium couldn't field their last player and had to forfeit. Lalush explained clearly the reasons
That's from the good part. Now the bad part :
* You can troll people and insult them as long as these are french, god forbid you, do NOT do the same with the mighty USA.
* Our fellow US friends think their own moral value are the value that the world should respect.
* People are getting all stinky and arrogant and insults each other.
* Nobody is going to get banned.
Some might say, there is a strong bias towards a certain attitude ... I'm not totally agree with you since it's a typical french anti american reaction but there's one thing i note : when Idra BMs he's a mighty genius, when lalush does he's just a shit. There's a bias there, but i don't even think this is because idra is american, he has just a lot of american fan -> the american fan don't flame him and there's lot of these guys round there . People tend to be more forgiving towards a player who is actually good. So why blame his behaviour and speak about respect if just the player's level is important? It's not like player's level is all that matters. But it might be seen by many people as a redeming factor. When Stephano was involved it the "Col. transfer incident", many ppl defended him on TL saying he is "young and talented and it would be a shame...". On topic. Millenium acted in a highly unprofessional way. You either have a team ready or you don't. If you don't - don't compete. As someone pointed out earlier - Alternate had similar problems, but they found a replacement. IPL is organizing these events to be broadcasted. People who tune in have the right to expect a certain number of games (a full match). As cliche as it sounds - if something is killing e-sports, its the walkovers/no-shows/forfeits (e.g. in the NASL). What i saw was more like an anti-Stephano-Millenium-french thread, stop arguing wrong things, i even remember a poll where "65% will never forgive Stepha for what he did he almost killed esport". Few week after everybody was saying he was the best player eva and he would destroy MVP in a blind one-handed b07. I mean this is just TL, in 3 days everybody will forget this issue If Stephano was less talented French player probably 99% of people would say he's done with SC2 community. My point was that people in general tend to see talent and quality of a player as a redeeming factor for his flaws, not that TL loves French players and teams. I agree that everyone will forget as soon as MLG starts .
Most people actually just don't give a fuck about all you drama whores and just enjoy games when games are shown.
Seriously.. Get over it. It was 1 forfeit.. 1 game in an allready lost CW. I really don't see the big issue here. It was not "good" but it's not drama worthy...
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On November 18 2011 23:21 Velr wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2011 22:56 MurtiBing wrote:On November 18 2011 22:29 AIOL! wrote:On November 18 2011 22:17 MurtiBing wrote:On November 18 2011 21:13 Agathon wrote:On November 18 2011 21:09 MurtiBing wrote:On November 18 2011 20:23 AIOL! wrote:On November 18 2011 15:14 Otolia wrote:
What I learned from that thread :
* SlayerS was playing for the show and they won.
* Curiously Adelscott was the only play in [M] to win a game. It was a PvP
* Lalush left a game without gg.
* Millenium couldn't field their last player and had to forfeit. Lalush explained clearly the reasons
That's from the good part. Now the bad part :
* You can troll people and insult them as long as these are french, god forbid you, do NOT do the same with the mighty USA.
* Our fellow US friends think their own moral value are the value that the world should respect.
* People are getting all stinky and arrogant and insults each other.
* Nobody is going to get banned.
Some might say, there is a strong bias towards a certain attitude ... I'm not totally agree with you since it's a typical french anti american reaction but there's one thing i note : when Idra BMs he's a mighty genius, when lalush does he's just a shit. There's a bias there, but i don't even think this is because idra is american, he has just a lot of american fan -> the american fan don't flame him and there's lot of these guys round there . People tend to be more forgiving towards a player who is actually good. So why blame his behaviour and speak about respect if just the player's level is important? It's not like player's level is all that matters. But it might be seen by many people as a redeming factor. When Stephano was involved it the "Col. transfer incident", many ppl defended him on TL saying he is "young and talented and it would be a shame...". On topic. Millenium acted in a highly unprofessional way. You either have a team ready or you don't. If you don't - don't compete. As someone pointed out earlier - Alternate had similar problems, but they found a replacement. IPL is organizing these events to be broadcasted. People who tune in have the right to expect a certain number of games (a full match). As cliche as it sounds - if something is killing e-sports, its the walkovers/no-shows/forfeits (e.g. in the NASL). What i saw was more like an anti-Stephano-Millenium-french thread, stop arguing wrong things, i even remember a poll where "65% will never forgive Stepha for what he did he almost killed esport". Few week after everybody was saying he was the best player eva and he would destroy MVP in a blind one-handed b07. I mean this is just TL, in 3 days everybody will forget this issue If Stephano was less talented French player probably 99% of people would say he's done with SC2 community. My point was that people in general tend to see talent and quality of a player as a redeeming factor for his flaws, not that TL loves French players and teams. I agree that everyone will forget as soon as MLG starts . Most people actually just don't give a fuck about all you drama whores and just enjoy games when games are shown. Seriously.. Get over it. It was 1 forfeit.. 1 game in an allready lost CW. I really don't see the big issue here. It was not "good" but it's not drama worthy...
Exactly, unfortunate but nothing to get all worked up about. Demanding "an apology to SlayerS for wasting their time" or anything like that is just ridiculous. No one will remember this after MLG and for good reason.
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Rather sad how Millenium was represented in this CW.
Disappointed.
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On November 18 2011 14:54 selboN wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2011 14:36 Megatronn wrote:On November 18 2011 12:42 iNcontroL wrote:Sounds like millennium shouldn't have accepted to play. Also, lalush why no gg in invitational match? Even idra would gg There Why don't you win a match at MLG? Who are you again? Oh, no one knows. Incontrol is a much better player than you, in all likely-hood. He is also an esteemed member of this forum. Next time check to see if you're on Youtube before you hit the "post" button. Thanks.
Don't you think a pro gamer earning a regular salary and practicing 10 hours a day in a designated team house should be held to higher standards than a random forum-goer on Teamliquid?
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On November 18 2011 23:42 TheSubtleArt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2011 14:54 selboN wrote:On November 18 2011 14:36 Megatronn wrote:On November 18 2011 12:42 iNcontroL wrote:Sounds like millennium shouldn't have accepted to play. Also, lalush why no gg in invitational match? Even idra would gg There Why don't you win a match at MLG? Who are you again? Oh, no one knows. Incontrol is a much better player than you, in all likely-hood. He is also an esteemed member of this forum. Next time check to see if you're on Youtube before you hit the "post" button. Thanks. Don't you think a pro gamer earning a regular salary and practicing 10 hours a day in a designated team house should be held to higher standards than a random forum-goer on Teamliquid?
Doubt iNcontroL practices 10 hours a day..but you have a point.
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I find it funny how nobody on here is talking about the really really young player Slayers had that took 3 points.
Slayers_Golden !! kids like 16 or 17 years old, up and comer that I think has potential to be one of the top Korean Zerg players.
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Isn't Leenock only 15/16?
He could down-smash 3-kill/4-kill pentakill, ace anyone just as hard (or harder) than golden
Not to stray so far off topic, but just saying.
I'm pretty torn on the issue. While Mill doesn't want to just throw a game, it's definitely unprofessional to just hope and pray that Stephano all-kill's the Slayers team so that the fact that they don't even have a full roster is overshadowed.
And yet, I believe it all really matters on how SlayerS decides to take it. If they feel disrespected at all, or any negative feelings in the slightest as a result of Mill's lack of professionalism, then I think there is a definite problem present. However, and this is the more likely one considering they just took home another nice chunk of change back home, they are just fine with stomping all over Millennium and their "chosen one" and taking home what was essentially an EZPZ win. I mean really, Mill is the only team here that is making themselves look like some half-rate, half-assed club with players/management that don't really care about IPL Team Arena (which is becoming a major candidate for a real foreign SC2 Proleague).
I don't know if it is directly hurting Esports as much as some people are claiming, but it's definitely hurting the image of Millennium and their legitimacy as a team. I say let bygones be bygones and hurry and find some foreign team that can actually compete with even the B-teamers of the SlayerS roster..
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On November 19 2011 00:14 CoR wrote:
stephano bad day ^^
Stephano bad month*. Hope he will come back to the top for Blizzard Cup
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On November 18 2011 23:42 TheSubtleArt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2011 14:54 selboN wrote:On November 18 2011 14:36 Megatronn wrote:On November 18 2011 12:42 iNcontroL wrote:Sounds like millennium shouldn't have accepted to play. Also, lalush why no gg in invitational match? Even idra would gg There Why don't you win a match at MLG? Who are you again? Oh, no one knows. Incontrol is a much better player than you, in all likely-hood. He is also an esteemed member of this forum. Next time check to see if you're on Youtube before you hit the "post" button. Thanks. Don't you think a pro gamer earning a regular salary and practicing 10 hours a day in a designated team house should be held to higher standards than a random forum-goer on Teamliquid?
at the moment incontrol is still competing in the foreign equivalent of code-s... so soon the haters forget MLG dallas..
On November 18 2011 22:29 AIOL! wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2011 22:17 MurtiBing wrote:On November 18 2011 21:13 Agathon wrote:On November 18 2011 21:09 MurtiBing wrote:On November 18 2011 20:23 AIOL! wrote:On November 18 2011 15:14 Otolia wrote:
What I learned from that thread :
* SlayerS was playing for the show and they won.
* Curiously Adelscott was the only play in [M] to win a game. It was a PvP
* Lalush left a game without gg.
* Millenium couldn't field their last player and had to forfeit. Lalush explained clearly the reasons
That's from the good part. Now the bad part :
* You can troll people and insult them as long as these are french, god forbid you, do NOT do the same with the mighty USA.
* Our fellow US friends think their own moral value are the value that the world should respect.
* People are getting all stinky and arrogant and insults each other.
* Nobody is going to get banned.
Some might say, there is a strong bias towards a certain attitude ... I'm not totally agree with you since it's a typical french anti american reaction but there's one thing i note : when Idra BMs he's a mighty genius, when lalush does he's just a shit. There's a bias there, but i don't even think this is because idra is american, he has just a lot of american fan -> the american fan don't flame him and there's lot of these guys round there . People tend to be more forgiving towards a player who is actually good. So why blame his behaviour and speak about respect if just the player's level is important? It's not like player's level is all that matters. But it might be seen by many people as a redeming factor. When Stephano was involved it the "Col. transfer incident", many ppl defended him on TL saying he is "young and talented and it would be a shame...". On topic. Millenium acted in a highly unprofessional way. You either have a team ready or you don't. If you don't - don't compete. As someone pointed out earlier - Alternate had similar problems, but they found a replacement. IPL is organizing these events to be broadcasted. People who tune in have the right to expect a certain number of games (a full match). As cliche as it sounds - if something is killing e-sports, its the walkovers/no-shows/forfeits (e.g. in the NASL). What i saw was more like an anti-Stephano-Millenium-french thread, stop arguing wrong things, i even remember a poll where "65% will never forgive Stepha for what he did he almost killed esport". Few week after everybody was saying he was the best player eva and he would destroy MVP in a blind one-handed b07. I mean this is just TL, in 3 days everybody will forget this issue
the only people even bringing up nationality are the french posters playing the race card .. in 3 days everyone will forget just like most forgot the few eu playheim / craftcups hes won making him the 'best zerg in the world' and 'the next spanishwa' and the french posters have forgotten his mlg performance
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On November 19 2011 00:37 SwizzY wrote:
Isn't Leenock only 15/16?
He could down-smash 3-kill/4-kill pentakill, ace anyone just as hard (or harder) than golden
Not to stray so far off topic, but just saying.
I'm pretty torn on the issue. While Mill doesn't want to just throw a game, it's definitely unprofessional to just hope and pray that Stephano all-kill's the Slayers team so that the fact that they don't even have a full roster is overshadowed.
And yet, I believe it all really matters on how SlayerS decides to take it. If they feel disrespected at all, or any negative feelings in the slightest as a result of Mill's lack of professionalism, then I think there is a definite problem present. However, and this is the more likely one considering they just took home another nice chunk of change back home, they are just fine with stomping all over Millennium and their "chosen one" and taking home what was essentially an EZPZ win. I mean really, Mill is the only team here that is making themselves look like some half-rate, half-assed club with players/management that don't really care about IPL Team Arena (which is becoming a major candidate for a real foreign SC2 Proleague).
I don't know if it is directly hurting Esports as much as some people are claiming, but it's definitely hurting the image of Millennium and their legitimacy as a team. I say let bygones be bygones and hurry and find some foreign team that can actually compete with even the B-teamers of the SlayerS roster..
I think that Boxer and Jessica are pretty clever and wise. So they won't feel disrespected by such a futile forfeit by lack of players.
It's just a TL and reddit's "drama lovers" purpose in fact.
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