The time has come for our thirteenth IGN Pro League Team Arena! This is a (follow closely) weekly winner's format team king of the hill showmatch series. For better clarification, check out our IPL Team Arena General Discussion thread!
When: Friday, Nov 18 1:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) (we will also have a European re-broadcast as usual at Friday, Nov 18 5:30pm GMT (GMT+00:00))
Prizes
The first team to defeat everyone on the opposing team's roster (5 wins, or a best of 9) will earn $500 for their team to split however they want. To make things even more interesting, we are including a $100 bounty for each victory that a team earns, for new challengers to try and claim. For example, if a team wins 3 weeks in a row, they will have earned themselves $1,500 total, and have $300 worth of bounty on them. If a new team defeats them, they will earn the $500 for winning the week, as well as claim the $300 bounty.
SlayerS is the fourth team to win the IPL Team Arena, and they have earned themselves $2,000 and a $400 bounty on their heads. Millenium has international superstars on the team that are perfectly capable of defeating the best players in the world. Stephano in particular has had astounding success in the last two months at live events, and Millenium will no doubt be leaning on him to lead them to victory. Here are their full rosters:
SlayerS BoxeR Lots Dragon GanZi MMA Ryung TaeJa Cella YuGiOh Golden Min CoCa Alicia Brown Crank Puzzle
New teams will be invited each week to take on the previous week's winner.
The First Match of the IPL Team Arena is on Friday, Nov 18 1:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) (we will also have a European re-broadcast as usual at Friday, Nov 18 5:30pm GMT (GMT+00:00))
Crank > Stephano Crank < Adelscott Golden > Adelscott Golden > Diestar Golden > Lalush Millenium Forfeits last game
Map List
Xel'Naga Caverns Metalopolis Shakuras Plateau Crevasse Tal Darim Altar Dual Sight Xel'Naga Fortress Terminus Shattered Temple Daybreak Antiga Shipyard
The first map will be on a set rotation, and then it is loser's pick.
Casters
This week's games will be commentated by CatsPajamas, HDStarCraft, and/or PainUser
We have already invited several teams and have more in mind, but if you would like your team to be considered for the IPL Team Arena as well, please send a letter of interest as well as a description of your team and a roster to iplquestions@ign.com!
For some reason I feel slayers won't send out MMA if stephano comes out and they lose games. He hasn't been participating in anything other than GSL lately, and he didn't even go to the AOL 2.
SlayerS should win this easily, although Stephano certainly has the best chance out of any player thus far to take a game off of them.
5-1? 5-2? However many games Stephano can get. No one else should get any games (remember the two roflstomp shut-outs so far from two of the lower-tier players on SlayerS).
Millenium has a decent lineup, but this still feels like Stephano vs Slayers to me. The others might be able to take a game or two off a b-teamer, but as soon as Slayers sends out one of their big guns, it's going to be up to Stephano to stop him.
On November 16 2011 10:24 Itsmedudeman wrote: For some reason I feel slayers won't send out MMA if stephano comes out and they lose games. He hasn't been participating in anything other than GSL lately, and he didn't even go to the AOL 2.
You seriously believe that Stephano can all kill a SlayerS without MMA? Man I know Stephano is good ... but...
I think SlayerS will take it, but I think mainly only Stephano and Tarson can really do ANYTHING against them. It's unlikely, but perhaps LaLush or Adelscott can pull off something crazy and take a game off of a b teamer.
Stephano : At his peak right now. He can beat koreans on a regular basis, certainly one of the few in the world that can.
Adelscott : His teammate's success eclipses the fact that he is still a strong player. He was confined to a niche playstyle but it seems that Stephano managed to shake him up and make him train other strategies. While strong on combat mechanics, he is outplayed on longer macro game. His game decisions could make a difference if the games are shorter. Stands no chance against a Code S player, could win against a low-tier if there is no cheese involved.
LaLuSh & DieStar : They are currently not consistent enough to hope winning a game against a mid-tier korean. A low-tier korean should beat them fairly easily. LaLush problem lies probably within his motivation and decision making while DieStar tried to improve his macro but has still difficulties with achieving an overall game plan
Tarson : He isn't playing after his defeat at the WCG Poland. His motivation won't be high enough to grasp a win. He was a Top 3 terran in EU, he isn't in the top 10 anymore.
Feast : The upcoming player from Millenium. He has shown very good plays lately but it's hard to judge him fairly. I believe he could be another Stephano based on his commitments to training but that's a personal opinion.
On November 16 2011 10:36 mrKamiya wrote: I think SlayerS will take it, but I think mainly only Stephano and Tarson can really do ANYTHING against them. It's unlikely, but perhaps LaLush or Adelscott can pull off something crazy and take a game off of a b teamer.
I think the level of Tarson/Lalush/Adelscott/DieStar is not that far apart. Millenium should be able to show better, especially one strong player is worth a lot in this format. If they get 2 wins from Stephano and 1 from the others, they equal mouz and liquid.
Stephano doesn't even have the best foreigner ZvT. Ganzi or MMA could realistically pull an all kill if they were actually sent in. My predictions, Stephano, MAYBE Tarson takes a game or two off some of Slayer's B team, than a Code S player comes out and wipes the floor.
Slayers has been sending out some unknown players to IPL Arena so maybe someone from Millenium Stephano + Lalush maybe, have the best chance on beating Slayers. Though it could just be another 5-0 by Slayers... -.-
I actually voted for mill here, this is why. Slayers has been starting their team arena games so far with non A teamers. Because of this I feel that Adelscott (pvz 61%) or lalush (zvz 65%) can take games of of Slayers Zergs Tarson has a tvt of 60% as well so sure he might not able to beat a slayers A team terran but a b team Terran should be ok. I think that unless slayers starts sending out A teamers Quickly I think Stephano can beat 2 or 3 slayers A team players (minus MMA who probably will be practicing for GSL and won't be focusing on learning Stephano's play style.)
On November 16 2011 11:19 NoobieOne wrote: I actually voted for mill here, this is why. Slayers has been starting their team arena games so far with non A teamers. Because of this I feel that Adelscott (pvz 61%) or lalush (zvz 65%) can take games of of Slayers Zergs Tarson has a tvt of 60% as well so sure he might not able to beat a slayers A team terran but a b team Terran should be ok. I think that unless slayers starts sending out A teamers Quickly I think Stephano can beat 2 or 3 slayers A team players (minus MMA who probably will be practicing for GSL and won't be focusing on learning Stephano's play style.)
lol whats funny is people like you said the exact same thing about the last 2 times, then slayers brings in some b teamer and 5 allkill LOL watch this happen again...
This all depends on how early Stephano goes out. Personally, even with Stephano, I don't see a way for Mil to win. Yes, Stephano is amazing, but he's one man. Predicting 5-2 SlayerS.
On November 16 2011 11:19 NoobieOne wrote: I actually voted for mill here, this is why. Slayers has been starting their team arena games so far with non A teamers. Because of this I feel that Adelscott (pvz 61%) or lalush (zvz 65%) can take games of of Slayers Zergs Tarson has a tvt of 60% as well so sure he might not able to beat a slayers A team terran but a b team Terran should be ok. I think that unless slayers starts sending out A teamers Quickly I think Stephano can beat 2 or 3 slayers A team players (minus MMA who probably will be practicing for GSL and won't be focusing on learning Stephano's play style.)
send lalush and tarson to code A and they will all have <20% win ratio. Their win ratio against weak players doesn't mean anything.
Can we see another allkill? How about Dragon this time :D
Just kidding. Stephano is gonna be one hard man to take down. I would guess SlayerS keeps MMA or Taeja on reserve to snipe Stephano. I'm predicting a 5-2 or 5-3 victory for SlayerS
Since half of SlayerS is too focused on Code S/A to really practice for Millenium, I have to predict a close series. I bet Taeja closes it out 5-4, but only because Boxer forgets that Ryung is on his roster.
The only chance for Slayers to beat Stephano is Ganzi taking him down or one of the zergs getting a lucky BO win. Once/If Stephano loses the rest of Millenium will be a walkover.
On November 16 2011 12:59 red4ce wrote: The only chance for Slayers to beat Stephano is Ganzi taking him down or one of the zergs getting a lucky BO win. Once/If Stephano loses the rest of Millenium will be a walkover.
rofl no, Stephano is nowhere near the level of the top of Code S yet, please stop overhyping him.
On November 16 2011 12:59 red4ce wrote: The only chance for Slayers to beat Stephano is Ganzi taking him down or one of the zergs getting a lucky BO win. Once/If Stephano loses the rest of Millenium will be a walkover.
rofl no, Stephano is nowhere near the level of the top of Code S yet, please stop overhyping him.
he lost to Boxer ffs, and then to goody. GOODY
I'm a certified Stephano 'hater', but I respect his skill. My annoyance at Stephano fans is nothing compared to by dislike for SlayerS. They have 2 elite players, the rest are all mediocre. MMA's playstyle won't work against Stephano's style. That leaves Ganzi as the only player truly favored against Stephano.
On November 16 2011 12:59 red4ce wrote: The only chance for Slayers to beat Stephano is Ganzi
... no. Just... no. I don't even know what to say. This is just... such an incredibly incorrect statement. I guess this is exactly what people mean when they say that Stephano is overhyped.
On November 16 2011 12:59 red4ce wrote: The only chance for Slayers to beat Stephano is Ganzi taking him down or one of the zergs getting a lucky BO win. Once/If Stephano loses the rest of Millenium will be a walkover.
rofl no, Stephano is nowhere near the level of the top of Code S yet, please stop overhyping him.
he lost to Boxer ffs, and then to goody. GOODY
der panzer general is the best terran in europe anyone would be honored to lose to him
also stephano only wins through having a unique playstyle; STC raped him once he figured him out, i'm sure slayers will have no problem figuring him out either
This will be the closest team to beating Slayers. If these guys can't, the only team left is Empire or Mouz. And even then, I think they've already been eliminated.
On November 16 2011 12:59 red4ce wrote: The only chance for Slayers to beat Stephano is Ganzi taking him down or one of the zergs getting a lucky BO win. Once/If Stephano loses the rest of Millenium will be a walkover.
rofl no, Stephano is nowhere near the level of the top of Code S yet, please stop overhyping him.
he lost to Boxer ffs, and then to goody. GOODY
I'm a certified Stephano 'hater', but I respect his skill. My annoyance at Stephano fans is nothing compared to by dislike for SlayerS.
Explain to me your reasoning then? He beat MMA in online qualifiers, and then later thestc (code A)+lucky (code B?). (maybe one or two more code a players I'm forgetting here) Since then, thestc has beat him and then he's lost to boxer. I think he beat Tails (code B?) as well.
I don't know where people are getting the notion that he can suddenly steam roll code S level players.
edit: Just because you dislike Slayers does not mean they are not the no.1/no.2 team right now
On November 16 2011 12:59 red4ce wrote: The only chance for Slayers to beat Stephano is Ganzi taking him down or one of the zergs getting a lucky BO win. Once/If Stephano loses the rest of Millenium will be a walkover.
rofl no, Stephano is nowhere near the level of the top of Code S yet, please stop overhyping him.
he lost to Boxer ffs, and then to goody. GOODY
I'm a certified Stephano 'hater', but I respect his skill. My annoyance at Stephano fans is nothing compared to by dislike for SlayerS.
Why hate on Slayers? They are arguably the best SC2 team right now, with a solid roster, led by an icon of Esports and coached by a charismatic community figure.
For Slayers, it is simple: Snipe Stephano, which admittedly will be harder now that Coca is gone.
Edit: Well, I guess to each their own opinion then. Fair enough
On November 16 2011 12:59 red4ce wrote: The only chance for Slayers to beat Stephano is Ganzi taking him down or one of the zergs getting a lucky BO win. Once/If Stephano loses the rest of Millenium will be a walkover.
At first I thought there's something wrong with my eyes.
I'm sure we've all learned by now that online games are simply less indicative of skill overall. How many times now has some foreign player beaten some Koreans online, got massively overhyped, and then proceeded to get steamrolled in some LAN tournament? Any pro knows that online results simply don't mean as much as LAN results, especially when a match is taking place across regions. Not saying that Stephano is bad by any means - he's one of the strongest foreigners right now, but take all online results with a huge grain of salt. His LAN accomplishments alone are pretty good, but I fail to see anything he's done that suddenly makes him some sort of incredible monster that only one player (Ganzi) in a top-tier Korean team is capable of beating.
On November 16 2011 12:59 red4ce wrote: The only chance for Slayers to beat Stephano is Ganzi taking him down or one of the zergs getting a lucky BO win. Once/If Stephano loses the rest of Millenium will be a walkover.
rofl no, Stephano is nowhere near the level of the top of Code S yet, please stop overhyping him.
he lost to Boxer ffs, and then to goody. GOODY
I'm a certified Stephano 'hater', but I respect his skill. My annoyance at Stephano fans is nothing compared to by dislike for SlayerS.
Why hate on Slayers? They are arguably the best SC2 team right now, with a solid roster, led by an icon of Esports and coached by a charismatic community figure.
For Slayers, it is simple: Snipe Stephano, which admittedly will be harder now that Coca is gone.
Edit: Well, I guess to each their own opinion then. Fair enough
Coca has not left slayers. He just cant play in GSL.
On November 16 2011 12:59 red4ce wrote: The only chance for Slayers to beat Stephano is Ganzi taking him down or one of the zergs getting a lucky BO win. Once/If Stephano loses the rest of Millenium will be a walkover.
On November 16 2011 12:59 red4ce wrote: The only chance for Slayers to beat Stephano is Ganzi taking him down or one of the zergs getting a lucky BO win. Once/If Stephano loses the rest of Millenium will be a walkover.
rofl no, Stephano is nowhere near the level of the top of Code S yet, please stop overhyping him.
he lost to Boxer ffs, and then to goody. GOODY
I'm a certified Stephano 'hater', but I respect his skill. My annoyance at Stephano fans is nothing compared to by dislike for SlayerS.
Explain to me your reasoning then? He beat MMA in online qualifiers, and then later thestc (code A)+lucky (code B?). (maybe one or two more code a players I'm forgetting here) Since then, thestc has beat him and then he's lost to boxer. I think he beat Tails (code B?) as well.
I don't know where people are getting the notion that he can suddenly steam roll code S level players.
edit: Just because you dislike Slayers does not mean they are not the no.1/no.2 team right now
I know all that. I use these same results when Stephano fanatics get too annoying.
Lol #1/#2 team. They were exposed in the most recent GSTL. B teamers from any Korean team could have all-killed Acer and Atn. Their wins in GSTL2 and 3 were on MMA's shoulders. Ganzi has since become an elite player but the rest are middle of the road players not substantially different than the ones Stephano beat in IPL3.
On November 16 2011 12:59 red4ce wrote: The only chance for Slayers to beat Stephano is Ganzi taking him down or one of the zergs getting a lucky BO win. Once/If Stephano loses the rest of Millenium will be a walkover.
rofl no, Stephano is nowhere near the level of the top of Code S yet, please stop overhyping him.
he lost to Boxer ffs, and then to goody. GOODY
I'm a certified Stephano 'hater', but I respect his skill. My annoyance at Stephano fans is nothing compared to by dislike for SlayerS.
Why hate on Slayers? They are arguably the best SC2 team right now, with a solid roster, led by an icon of Esports and coached by a charismatic community figure.
For Slayers, it is simple: Snipe Stephano, which admittedly will be harder now that Coca is gone.
Edit: Well, I guess to each their own opinion then. Fair enough
Coca has not left slayers. He just cant play in GSL.
Boxer barred him from playing in any tournament, foreign included. But chances are Slayers would probably still win handily if they take Stephano seriously.
On November 16 2011 12:59 red4ce wrote: The only chance for Slayers to beat Stephano is Ganzi taking him down or one of the zergs getting a lucky BO win. Once/If Stephano loses the rest of Millenium will be a walkover.
rofl no, Stephano is nowhere near the level of the top of Code S yet, please stop overhyping him.
he lost to Boxer ffs, and then to goody. GOODY
I'm a certified Stephano 'hater', but I respect his skill. My annoyance at Stephano fans is nothing compared to by dislike for SlayerS.
Explain to me your reasoning then? He beat MMA in online qualifiers, and then later thestc (code A)+lucky (code B?). (maybe one or two more code a players I'm forgetting here) Since then, thestc has beat him and then he's lost to boxer. I think he beat Tails (code B?) as well.
I don't know where people are getting the notion that he can suddenly steam roll code S level players.
edit: Just because you dislike Slayers does not mean they are not the no.1/no.2 team right now
I know all that. I use these same results when Stephano fanatics get too annoying.
Lol #1/#2 team. They were exposed in the most recent GSTL. B teamers from any Korean team could have all-killed Acer and Atn. Their wins in GSTL2 and 3 were on MMA's shoulders. Ganzi has since become an elite player but the rest are middle of the road players not substantially different than the ones Stephano beat in IPL3.
I dunno about the GSTL, I just don't think teams really prepare that well for it. It's my personal opinion that IM is the best team anyways, but thats to its own. Slayers definetely has one of the strongest lineups though.
Then again, I guess it his hard to judge who is really Code S or Code A nowadays, simply because of the new structuring. It's whatever, personally I don't think Stephano gets more than one win, but we'll see I guess.
On November 16 2011 12:59 red4ce wrote: The only chance for Slayers to beat Stephano is Ganzi taking him down or one of the zergs getting a lucky BO win. Once/If Stephano loses the rest of Millenium will be a walkover.
rofl no, Stephano is nowhere near the level of the top of Code S yet, please stop overhyping him.
he lost to Boxer ffs, and then to goody. GOODY
I'm a certified Stephano 'hater', but I respect his skill. My annoyance at Stephano fans is nothing compared to by dislike for SlayerS. They have 2 elite players, the rest are all mediocre. MMA's playstyle won't work against Stephano's style. That leaves Ganzi as the only player truly favored against Stephano.
How the fuck do you "hate" either of them? LOL did they not sign your autograph at MLG or something haha what is wrong with you.
On November 16 2011 12:59 red4ce wrote: The only chance for Slayers to beat Stephano is Ganzi taking him down or one of the zergs getting a lucky BO win. Once/If Stephano loses the rest of Millenium will be a walkover.
rofl no, Stephano is nowhere near the level of the top of Code S yet, please stop overhyping him.
he lost to Boxer ffs, and then to goody. GOODY
I'm a certified Stephano 'hater', but I respect his skill. My annoyance at Stephano fans is nothing compared to by dislike for SlayerS.
Explain to me your reasoning then? He beat MMA in online qualifiers, and then later thestc (code A)+lucky (code B?). (maybe one or two more code a players I'm forgetting here) Since then, thestc has beat him and then he's lost to boxer. I think he beat Tails (code B?) as well.
I don't know where people are getting the notion that he can suddenly steam roll code S level players.
edit: Just because you dislike Slayers does not mean they are not the no.1/no.2 team right now
I know all that. I use these same results when Stephano fanatics get too annoying.
Lol #1/#2 team. They were exposed in the most recent GSTL. B teamers from any Korean team could have all-killed Acer and Atn. Their wins in GSTL2 and 3 were on MMA's shoulders. Ganzi has since become an elite player but the rest are middle of the road players not substantially different than the ones Stephano beat in IPL3.
Your hate for SlayerS is fascinating. I can't believe someone would actually be an anti-fan of an entire team of players.
If Millenium wants to win, Adelscott and Stephano will have to be the anchors, particularly Stephano since he has the ZvT skills to deal with the SlayerS Terrans. But honestly there is so much depth to Slayers that it might not even matter. If they manage to beat the first guy (Golden, Crank, Lots, Dragon) then they only have to deal with a bazillion other talented players, all with the necessary expertise to be snipers. If Adelscott wins then he might have to face Taeja; if Stephano wins then he can say hello to Ganzi or MMA.
There's just too many players that Slayers can mix and match, and enough talent to still score all-kills on the less stacked teams. Someone get HoSeo, IM, or EG in here.
On November 16 2011 12:59 red4ce wrote: The only chance for Slayers to beat Stephano is Ganzi taking him down or one of the zergs getting a lucky BO win. Once/If Stephano loses the rest of Millenium will be a walkover.
rofl no, Stephano is nowhere near the level of the top of Code S yet, please stop overhyping him.
he lost to Boxer ffs, and then to goody. GOODY
I'm a certified Stephano 'hater', but I respect his skill. My annoyance at Stephano fans is nothing compared to by dislike for SlayerS.
Why hate on Slayers? They are arguably the best SC2 team right now, with a solid roster, led by an icon of Esports and coached by a charismatic community figure.
For Slayers, it is simple: Snipe Stephano, which admittedly will be harder now that Coca is gone.
Edit: Well, I guess to each their own opinion then. Fair enough
Coca has not left slayers. He just cant play in GSL.
I doubt they'll be fielding him any time soon anyway. The "incident" is way too fresh for that.
5-2 SlayerS, unless all of their top players are not participating. I don't consider MMA necessary, but they may need at least Ryung, Taeja, or Ganzi. I would love to see Alicia, Sleep, Frozen, or other non T's on SlayerS.
I'm also quite interested to see Adelscott, particularly if he still plays the way he beat Mvp in TSL3, with nexus first, etc. Stephano is #1 threat, of course.
On November 16 2011 12:59 red4ce wrote: The only chance for Slayers to beat Stephano is Ganzi taking him down or one of the zergs getting a lucky BO win. Once/If Stephano loses the rest of Millenium will be a walkover.
rofl no, Stephano is nowhere near the level of the top of Code S yet, please stop overhyping him.
he lost to Boxer ffs, and then to goody. GOODY
I'm a certified Stephano 'hater', but I respect his skill. My annoyance at Stephano fans is nothing compared to by dislike for SlayerS.
Why hate on Slayers? They are arguably the best SC2 team right now, with a solid roster, led by an icon of Esports and coached by a charismatic community figure.
For Slayers, it is simple: Snipe Stephano, which admittedly will be harder now that Coca is gone.
Edit: Well, I guess to each their own opinion then. Fair enough
Coca has not left slayers. He just cant play in GSL.
I doubt they'll be fielding him any time soon anyway. The "incident" is way too fresh for that.
5-2 SlayerS, unless all of their top players are not participating. I don't consider MMA necessary, but they may need at least Ryung, Taeja, or Ganzi. I would love to see Alicia, Sleep, Frozen, or other non T's on SlayerS.
I'm also quite interested to see Adelscott, particularly if he still plays the way he beat Mvp in TSL3, with nexus first, etc. Stephano is #1 threat, of course.
Not related but important: Nada is streaming.
Seeing Nada and Polt get fewer viewers than CatZ is a pain.
On November 16 2011 12:59 red4ce wrote: The only chance for Slayers to beat Stephano is Ganzi taking him down or one of the zergs getting a lucky BO win. Once/If Stephano loses the rest of Millenium will be a walkover.
At first I thought there's something wrong with my eyes.
No. Just no.
I got this response a lot too when I predicted Sheth beating Ryung. Didn't mean I was wrong.
On November 16 2011 12:59 red4ce wrote: The only chance for Slayers to beat Stephano is Ganzi taking him down or one of the zergs getting a lucky BO win. Once/If Stephano loses the rest of Millenium will be a walkover.
rofl no, Stephano is nowhere near the level of the top of Code S yet, please stop overhyping him.
he lost to Boxer ffs, and then to goody. GOODY
I'm a certified Stephano 'hater', but I respect his skill. My annoyance at Stephano fans is nothing compared to by dislike for SlayerS. They have 2 elite players, the rest are all mediocre. MMA's playstyle won't work against Stephano's style. That leaves Ganzi as the only player truly favored against Stephano.
How the fuck do you "hate" either of them? LOL did they not sign your autograph at MLG or something haha what is wrong with you.
'Hater' as in the way kids in the suburbs use 'hater' i.e anyone who dares go against popular opinion. I'm not plotting to kill them or anything :/ I've never even met any of these people in real life.
On November 16 2011 12:59 red4ce wrote: The only chance for Slayers to beat Stephano is Ganzi taking him down or one of the zergs getting a lucky BO win. Once/If Stephano loses the rest of Millenium will be a walkover.
rofl no, Stephano is nowhere near the level of the top of Code S yet, please stop overhyping him.
he lost to Boxer ffs, and then to goody. GOODY
der panzer general is the best terran in europe anyone would be honored to lose to him
also stephano only wins through having a unique playstyle; STC raped him once he figured him out, i'm sure slayers will have no problem figuring him out either
stc beating him doesnt follow from stephano being predictable. stc is a strong korean terran, losing to him doesnt say anything about your own skill.
i agree people saying only ganzi can beat stephano are flat out wrong, but that doesnt qualify saying stuff like stephano is a 1 trick pony.
On November 16 2011 12:59 red4ce wrote: The only chance for Slayers to beat Stephano is Ganzi taking him down or one of the zergs getting a lucky BO win. Once/If Stephano loses the rest of Millenium will be a walkover.
rofl no, Stephano is nowhere near the level of the top of Code S yet, please stop overhyping him.
he lost to Boxer ffs, and then to goody. GOODY
I'm a certified Stephano 'hater', but I respect his skill. My annoyance at Stephano fans is nothing compared to by dislike for SlayerS.
Explain to me your reasoning then? He beat MMA in online qualifiers, and then later thestc (code A)+lucky (code B?). (maybe one or two more code a players I'm forgetting here) Since then, thestc has beat him and then he's lost to boxer. I think he beat Tails (code B?) as well.
I don't know where people are getting the notion that he can suddenly steam roll code S level players.
edit: Just because you dislike Slayers does not mean they are not the no.1/no.2 team right now
I know all that. I use these same results when Stephano fanatics get too annoying.
Lol #1/#2 team. They were exposed in the most recent GSTL. B teamers from any Korean team could have all-killed Acer and Atn. Their wins in GSTL2 and 3 were on MMA's shoulders. Ganzi has since become an elite player but the rest are middle of the road players not substantially different than the ones Stephano beat in IPL3.
Your hate for SlayerS is fascinating. I can't believe someone would actually be an anti-fan of an entire team of players.
If anything, what he said about them having 2 elite players and a ton of mediocre players is more fascinating, because I cannot see where he's coming from at all. I wonder what his metric is for differentiating an elite player from a mediocre one? MMA and Ganzi aside, Ryung, Puzzle, Taeja, and, until recently, CoCa, are all Code S players and have all pulled their own weight among the best in the Korean scene. Taeja has been dominating the Korean weeklies, as the only player with 6 first-place finishes in those small tournaments (other players only have at most 1 first-place finish), while Puzzle won Code A without dropping a set until the finals, while Ryung and CoCa have just shown fairly strong performances all-around.
The GSTL2 win on MMA's shoulders? He must be forgetting that Alicia got Slayers 3 kills right from the start in the final match against IM, putting them way ahead (and importantly so, since it took Ryung, Ganzi, and MMA to finally take down MVP - and let's not forget Ryung's crucial role in shifting the momentum of the match in the game against Yonghwa, and wearing down MVP in a long, exhausting, well-fought macro game). He underplays the role the rest of SlayerS played in their GSTL championships, which I honestly find highly unfair and short-sighted - just because MMA played the role of the ace doesn't mean the other team didn't do anything.
Sure, red4ce may be of the opinion that SlayerS is a crappy team, but his reasons for thinking so are very badly supported, if they have any sort of truth to them at all. I fully admit that I am a SlayerS fan, but my convictions aside, the arguments he makes in support of his opinion are objectively terrible. If he can elaborate on his statements to perhaps clear up ambiguities that caused me to misinterpret them, then I fully welcome that, but as things stand now, I see no validity in any of his reasons for disliking SlayerS.
On November 16 2011 12:59 red4ce wrote: The only chance for Slayers to beat Stephano is Ganzi taking him down or one of the zergs getting a lucky BO win. Once/If Stephano loses the rest of Millenium will be a walkover.
rofl no, Stephano is nowhere near the level of the top of Code S yet, please stop overhyping him.
he lost to Boxer ffs, and then to goody. GOODY
I'm a certified Stephano 'hater', but I respect his skill. My annoyance at Stephano fans is nothing compared to by dislike for SlayerS. They have 2 elite players, the rest are all mediocre. MMA's playstyle won't work against Stephano's style. That leaves Ganzi as the only player truly favored against Stephano.
You could say that about every single team in SC2.
On November 16 2011 12:59 red4ce wrote: The only chance for Slayers to beat Stephano is Ganzi taking him down or one of the zergs getting a lucky BO win. Once/If Stephano loses the rest of Millenium will be a walkover.
rofl no, Stephano is nowhere near the level of the top of Code S yet, please stop overhyping him.
he lost to Boxer ffs, and then to goody. GOODY
I'm a certified Stephano 'hater', but I respect his skill. My annoyance at Stephano fans is nothing compared to by dislike for SlayerS.
Explain to me your reasoning then? He beat MMA in online qualifiers, and then later thestc (code A)+lucky (code B?). (maybe one or two more code a players I'm forgetting here) Since then, thestc has beat him and then he's lost to boxer. I think he beat Tails (code B?) as well.
I don't know where people are getting the notion that he can suddenly steam roll code S level players.
edit: Just because you dislike Slayers does not mean they are not the no.1/no.2 team right now
I know all that. I use these same results when Stephano fanatics get too annoying.
Lol #1/#2 team. They were exposed in the most recent GSTL. B teamers from any Korean team could have all-killed Acer and Atn. Their wins in GSTL2 and 3 were on MMA's shoulders. Ganzi has since become an elite player but the rest are middle of the road players not substantially different than the ones Stephano beat in IPL3.
Your hate for SlayerS is fascinating. I can't believe someone would actually be an anti-fan of an entire team of players.
If anything, what he said about them having 2 elite players and a ton of mediocre players is more fascinating, because I cannot see where he's coming from at all. I wonder what his metric is for differentiating an elite player from a mediocre one? MMA and Ganzi aside, Ryung, Puzzle, Taeja, and, until recently, CoCa, are all Code S players and have all pulled their own weight among the best in the Korean scene. Taeja has been dominating the Korean weeklies, as the only player with 6 first-place finishes in those small tournaments (other players only have at most 1 first-place finish), while Puzzle won Code A without dropping a set until the finals, while Ryung and CoCa have just shown fairly strong performances all-around.
The GSTL2 win on MMA's shoulders? He must be forgetting that Alicia got Slayers 3 kills right from the start in the final match against IM, putting them way ahead (and importantly so, since it took Ryung, Ganzi, and MMA to finally take down MVP - and let's not forget Ryung's crucial role in shifting the momentum of the match in the game against Yonghwa, and wearing down MVP in a long, exhausting, well-fought macro game). He underplays the role the rest of SlayerS played in their GSTL championships, which I honestly find highly unfair and short-sighted - just because MMA played the role of the ace doesn't mean the other team didn't do anything.
Sure, red4ce may be of the opinion that SlayerS is a crappy team, but his reasons for thinking so are very badly supported, if they have any sort of truth to them at all. I fully admit that I am a SlayerS fan, but my convictions aside, the arguments he makes in support of his opinion are objectively terrible. If he can elaborate on his statements to perhaps clear up ambiguities that caused me to misinterpret them, then I fully welcome that, but as things stand now, I see no validity in any of his reasons for disliking SlayerS.
It seems I've thrown this thread way too far off course and I apologize for that. You think SlayerS is good, I don't. You like SlayerS, I don't. I don't care why you like Slayers and you shouldn't care why I dislike SlayerS.
On November 16 2011 12:59 red4ce wrote: The only chance for Slayers to beat Stephano is Ganzi taking him down or one of the zergs getting a lucky BO win. Once/If Stephano loses the rest of Millenium will be a walkover.
rofl no, Stephano is nowhere near the level of the top of Code S yet, please stop overhyping him.
he lost to Boxer ffs, and then to goody. GOODY
I'm a certified Stephano 'hater', but I respect his skill. My annoyance at Stephano fans is nothing compared to by dislike for SlayerS. They have 2 elite players, the rest are all mediocre. MMA's playstyle won't work against Stephano's style. That leaves Ganzi as the only player truly favored against Stephano.
You could say that about every single team in SC2.
You could say that about every team in SC2 except Slayers.
On November 16 2011 12:59 red4ce wrote: The only chance for Slayers to beat Stephano is Ganzi taking him down or one of the zergs getting a lucky BO win. Once/If Stephano loses the rest of Millenium will be a walkover.
rofl no, Stephano is nowhere near the level of the top of Code S yet, please stop overhyping him.
he lost to Boxer ffs, and then to goody. GOODY
I'm a certified Stephano 'hater', but I respect his skill. My annoyance at Stephano fans is nothing compared to by dislike for SlayerS. They have 2 elite players, the rest are all mediocre. MMA's playstyle won't work against Stephano's style. That leaves Ganzi as the only player truly favored against Stephano.
You could say that about every single team in SC2.
On November 16 2011 12:59 red4ce wrote: The only chance for Slayers to beat Stephano is Ganzi taking him down or one of the zergs getting a lucky BO win. Once/If Stephano loses the rest of Millenium will be a walkover.
rofl no, Stephano is nowhere near the level of the top of Code S yet, please stop overhyping him.
he lost to Boxer ffs, and then to goody. GOODY
I'm a certified Stephano 'hater', but I respect his skill. My annoyance at Stephano fans is nothing compared to by dislike for SlayerS.
Explain to me your reasoning then? He beat MMA in online qualifiers, and then later thestc (code A)+lucky (code B?). (maybe one or two more code a players I'm forgetting here) Since then, thestc has beat him and then he's lost to boxer. I think he beat Tails (code B?) as well.
I don't know where people are getting the notion that he can suddenly steam roll code S level players.
edit: Just because you dislike Slayers does not mean they are not the no.1/no.2 team right now
I know all that. I use these same results when Stephano fanatics get too annoying.
Lol #1/#2 team. They were exposed in the most recent GSTL. B teamers from any Korean team could have all-killed Acer and Atn. Their wins in GSTL2 and 3 were on MMA's shoulders. Ganzi has since become an elite player but the rest are middle of the road players not substantially different than the ones Stephano beat in IPL3.
Your hate for SlayerS is fascinating. I can't believe someone would actually be an anti-fan of an entire team of players.
If anything, what he said about them having 2 elite players and a ton of mediocre players is more fascinating, because I cannot see where he's coming from at all. I wonder what his metric is for differentiating an elite player from a mediocre one? MMA and Ganzi aside, Ryung, Puzzle, Taeja, and, until recently, CoCa, are all Code S players and have all pulled their own weight among the best in the Korean scene. Taeja has been dominating the Korean weeklies, as the only player with 6 first-place finishes in those small tournaments (other players only have at most 1 first-place finish), while Puzzle won Code A without dropping a set until the finals, while Ryung and CoCa have just shown fairly strong performances all-around.
The GSTL2 win on MMA's shoulders? He must be forgetting that Alicia got Slayers 3 kills right from the start in the final match against IM, putting them way ahead (and importantly so, since it took Ryung, Ganzi, and MMA to finally take down MVP - and let's not forget Ryung's crucial role in shifting the momentum of the match in the game against Yonghwa, and wearing down MVP in a long, exhausting, well-fought macro game). He underplays the role the rest of SlayerS played in their GSTL championships, which I honestly find highly unfair and short-sighted - just because MMA played the role of the ace doesn't mean the other team didn't do anything.
Sure, red4ce may be of the opinion that SlayerS is a crappy team, but his reasons for thinking so are very badly supported, if they have any sort of truth to them at all. I fully admit that I am a SlayerS fan, but my convictions aside, the arguments he makes in support of his opinion are objectively terrible. If he can elaborate on his statements to perhaps clear up ambiguities that caused me to misinterpret them, then I fully welcome that, but as things stand now, I see no validity in any of his reasons for disliking SlayerS.
It seems I've thrown this thread way too far off course and I apologize for that. You think SlayerS is good, I don't. You like SlayerS, I don't. I don't care why you like Slayers and you shouldn't care why I dislike SlayerS.
Well when you make hate-ish posts every time you get the opportunity, people tend to notice and care.
On November 16 2011 12:59 red4ce wrote: The only chance for Slayers to beat Stephano is Ganzi taking him down or one of the zergs getting a lucky BO win. Once/If Stephano loses the rest of Millenium will be a walkover.
rofl no, Stephano is nowhere near the level of the top of Code S yet, please stop overhyping him.
he lost to Boxer ffs, and then to goody. GOODY
I'm a certified Stephano 'hater', but I respect his skill. My annoyance at Stephano fans is nothing compared to by dislike for SlayerS.
Explain to me your reasoning then? He beat MMA in online qualifiers, and then later thestc (code A)+lucky (code B?). (maybe one or two more code a players I'm forgetting here) Since then, thestc has beat him and then he's lost to boxer. I think he beat Tails (code B?) as well.
I don't know where people are getting the notion that he can suddenly steam roll code S level players.
edit: Just because you dislike Slayers does not mean they are not the no.1/no.2 team right now
I know all that. I use these same results when Stephano fanatics get too annoying.
Lol #1/#2 team. They were exposed in the most recent GSTL. B teamers from any Korean team could have all-killed Acer and Atn. Their wins in GSTL2 and 3 were on MMA's shoulders. Ganzi has since become an elite player but the rest are middle of the road players not substantially different than the ones Stephano beat in IPL3.
Your hate for SlayerS is fascinating. I can't believe someone would actually be an anti-fan of an entire team of players.
If anything, what he said about them having 2 elite players and a ton of mediocre players is more fascinating, because I cannot see where he's coming from at all. I wonder what his metric is for differentiating an elite player from a mediocre one? MMA and Ganzi aside, Ryung, Puzzle, Taeja, and, until recently, CoCa, are all Code S players and have all pulled their own weight among the best in the Korean scene. Taeja has been dominating the Korean weeklies, as the only player with 6 first-place finishes in those small tournaments (other players only have at most 1 first-place finish), while Puzzle won Code A without dropping a set until the finals, while Ryung and CoCa have just shown fairly strong performances all-around.
The GSTL2 win on MMA's shoulders? He must be forgetting that Alicia got Slayers 3 kills right from the start in the final match against IM, putting them way ahead (and importantly so, since it took Ryung, Ganzi, and MMA to finally take down MVP - and let's not forget Ryung's crucial role in shifting the momentum of the match in the game against Yonghwa, and wearing down MVP in a long, exhausting, well-fought macro game). He underplays the role the rest of SlayerS played in their GSTL championships, which I honestly find highly unfair and short-sighted - just because MMA played the role of the ace doesn't mean the other team didn't do anything.
Sure, red4ce may be of the opinion that SlayerS is a crappy team, but his reasons for thinking so are very badly supported, if they have any sort of truth to them at all. I fully admit that I am a SlayerS fan, but my convictions aside, the arguments he makes in support of his opinion are objectively terrible. If he can elaborate on his statements to perhaps clear up ambiguities that caused me to misinterpret them, then I fully welcome that, but as things stand now, I see no validity in any of his reasons for disliking SlayerS.
It seems I've thrown this thread way too far off course and I apologize for that. You think SlayerS is good, I don't. You like SlayerS, I don't. I don't care why you like Slayers and you shouldn't care why I dislike SlayerS.
It's easy to fall back on some sort of statement like "That's my opinion, you have yours, let's just keep it at that" when you get the points supporting your opinion picked at. The problem is that your reasons for disliking SlayerS basically boiled down to "Everyone is mediocre except MMA and Ganzi, and MMA carried them to victory in GSTL 2 and 3". Meanwhile, as you say that, SlayerS has the most players in Code S out of any other team (or close to that, IIRC), while I can easily cite examples as I did before of Alicia and Ryung pulling plenty of weight in GSTL 2 (and, if I were to go back to GSTL 3, I could definitely find other examples - for example, I recall Taeja getting an all-kill, which is inarguably a big contribution to the team's GSTL progress). Basically, I can take all your reasons for disliking SlayerS and come up with counterexamples, and even if you back up and say "Ok, but that's just my opinion", that doesn't really work, because your opinion is predicated upon all those reasons that I just countered, which is why I invited you to elaborate (even in a PM, but I suspect that you're just not interested enough to keep up this discussion, though I'm certainly open to it).
Now, if you said something truly subjective, like "I dislike the personalities of various players of theirs from various interviews I've read from them", then fine - I can't argue with that. But instead, you choose to try to discuss the abilities of their players, and since GSTL/Code A/S results and standings readily exist to provide some objective insight into a discussion about player ability, your opinion becomes much more vulnerable.
On November 16 2011 12:59 red4ce wrote: The only chance for Slayers to beat Stephano is Ganzi taking him down or one of the zergs getting a lucky BO win. Once/If Stephano loses the rest of Millenium will be a walkover.
rofl no, Stephano is nowhere near the level of the top of Code S yet, please stop overhyping him.
he lost to Boxer ffs, and then to goody. GOODY
I'm a certified Stephano 'hater', but I respect his skill. My annoyance at Stephano fans is nothing compared to by dislike for SlayerS.
Explain to me your reasoning then? He beat MMA in online qualifiers, and then later thestc (code A)+lucky (code B?). (maybe one or two more code a players I'm forgetting here) Since then, thestc has beat him and then he's lost to boxer. I think he beat Tails (code B?) as well.
I don't know where people are getting the notion that he can suddenly steam roll code S level players.
edit: Just because you dislike Slayers does not mean they are not the no.1/no.2 team right now
I know all that. I use these same results when Stephano fanatics get too annoying.
Lol #1/#2 team. They were exposed in the most recent GSTL. B teamers from any Korean team could have all-killed Acer and Atn. Their wins in GSTL2 and 3 were on MMA's shoulders. Ganzi has since become an elite player but the rest are middle of the road players not substantially different than the ones Stephano beat in IPL3.
Your hate for SlayerS is fascinating. I can't believe someone would actually be an anti-fan of an entire team of players.
If anything, what he said about them having 2 elite players and a ton of mediocre players is more fascinating, because I cannot see where he's coming from at all. I wonder what his metric is for differentiating an elite player from a mediocre one? MMA and Ganzi aside, Ryung, Puzzle, Taeja, and, until recently, CoCa, are all Code S players and have all pulled their own weight among the best in the Korean scene. Taeja has been dominating the Korean weeklies, as the only player with 6 first-place finishes in those small tournaments (other players only have at most 1 first-place finish), while Puzzle won Code A without dropping a set until the finals, while Ryung and CoCa have just shown fairly strong performances all-around.
The GSTL2 win on MMA's shoulders? He must be forgetting that Alicia got Slayers 3 kills right from the start in the final match against IM, putting them way ahead (and importantly so, since it took Ryung, Ganzi, and MMA to finally take down MVP - and let's not forget Ryung's crucial role in shifting the momentum of the match in the game against Yonghwa, and wearing down MVP in a long, exhausting, well-fought macro game). He underplays the role the rest of SlayerS played in their GSTL championships, which I honestly find highly unfair and short-sighted - just because MMA played the role of the ace doesn't mean the other team didn't do anything.
Sure, red4ce may be of the opinion that SlayerS is a crappy team, but his reasons for thinking so are very badly supported, if they have any sort of truth to them at all. I fully admit that I am a SlayerS fan, but my convictions aside, the arguments he makes in support of his opinion are objectively terrible. If he can elaborate on his statements to perhaps clear up ambiguities that caused me to misinterpret them, then I fully welcome that, but as things stand now, I see no validity in any of his reasons for disliking SlayerS.
It seems I've thrown this thread way too far off course and I apologize for that. You think SlayerS is good, I don't. You like SlayerS, I don't. I don't care why you like Slayers and you shouldn't care why I dislike SlayerS.
It's easy to fall back on some sort of statement like "That's my opinion, you have yours, let's just keep it at that" when you get the points supported your opinion picked at. The problem is that your reasons for disliking SlayerS basically boiled down to "Everyone is mediocre except MMA and Ganzi, and MMA carried them to victory in GSTL 2 and 3". Meanwhile, as you say that, SlayerS has the most players in Code S out of any other team (or close to that, IIRC), while I can easily cite examples as I did before of Alicia and Ryung pulling plenty of weight in GSTL 2 (and, if I were to go back to GSTL 3, I could definitely find other examples - for example, I recall Taeja getting an all-kill, which is inarguably a big contribution to the team's GSTL progress). Basically, I can take all your reasons for disliking SlayerS and come up with counterexamples, and even if you back up and say "Ok, but that's just my opinion", that doesn't really work, because your opinion is predicated upon all those reasons that I just countered, which is why I invited you to elaborate (even in a PM, but I suspect that you're just not interested enough to keep up this discussion, though I'm certainly open to it).
Now, if you said something truly subjective, like "I dislike the personalities of various players of theirs from various interviews I've read from them", then fine - I can't argue with that. But instead, you choose to try to discuss the abilities of their players, and since GSTL/Code A/S results and standings readily exist to provide some objective insight into a discussion about player ability, your opinion becomes much more vulnerable.
Alright fine. First, let's be clear. My dislike for SlayerS is different from my view of them as an overrated team. I won't get into why I dislike SlayerS because nobody should give a damn. I offered my opinion of SlayerS as a mediocre team as my justification for predicting Stephano doing well in this showmatch. As we saw in the GSTL top foreigners can hold their own against your average Korean in a winner's league format. If you wanna debate the strength of SlayerS as a team, then let's get it on.
MMA and Ganzi: Great players. I've already acknowledged this. Taeja: I put very little stock in online competitions. I believe in SC2 as an e-sport and thus live competition is the ultimate measure of strength. Online tournaments only measure potential; how good a player could be in ideal circumstances. Taeja still hasn't made it out of group stages in code S. That's all that matters to me. Ryung: Good at TvT, mediocre at everything else. If Sheth can beat this guy 5-2 imagine what Stephano will do. Alicia: Was good. Not anymore Puzzle: Better than Alicia, but still falls under the same category. (note that I would predict Stephano to beat any protoss in the world right now. I'd go further into detail but balance whining isn't allowed on TL) SlayerS zergs - I doubt even a SlayerS fan would have much to say about them.
I'll renact my claim that SlayerS won GSTL 2 and 3 solely because of MMA. Anti-fan bias working there. He didn't win all the games true. Nonetheless without him SlayerS wouldn't have beaten the likes of MVP and DRG.
5 to whenever Stephano got sniped. Sadly Millenium is carried by Stephano and Feast, but Feast isn't as strong yet. It will be interesting tho, if Stephano manages to score some kills
I think (hope) Slayers will field Crank to start off. They've sent out a code B Terran and Zerg the last two weeks. Time for toss, and Crank has quietly been impressing lately (showing good play on ESV and the IPL UK qualifier).
On November 16 2011 12:59 red4ce wrote: The only chance for Slayers to beat Stephano is Ganzi taking him down or one of the zergs getting a lucky BO win. Once/If Stephano loses the rest of Millenium will be a walkover.
rofl no, Stephano is nowhere near the level of the top of Code S yet, please stop overhyping him.
he lost to Boxer ffs, and then to goody. GOODY
I'm a certified Stephano 'hater', but I respect his skill. My annoyance at Stephano fans is nothing compared to by dislike for SlayerS.
Explain to me your reasoning then? He beat MMA in online qualifiers, and then later thestc (code A)+lucky (code B?). (maybe one or two more code a players I'm forgetting here) Since then, thestc has beat him and then he's lost to boxer. I think he beat Tails (code B?) as well.
I don't know where people are getting the notion that he can suddenly steam roll code S level players.
edit: Just because you dislike Slayers does not mean they are not the no.1/no.2 team right now
I know all that. I use these same results when Stephano fanatics get too annoying.
Lol #1/#2 team. They were exposed in the most recent GSTL. B teamers from any Korean team could have all-killed Acer and Atn. Their wins in GSTL2 and 3 were on MMA's shoulders. Ganzi has since become an elite player but the rest are middle of the road players not substantially different than the ones Stephano beat in IPL3.
Your hate for SlayerS is fascinating. I can't believe someone would actually be an anti-fan of an entire team of players.
If anything, what he said about them having 2 elite players and a ton of mediocre players is more fascinating, because I cannot see where he's coming from at all. I wonder what his metric is for differentiating an elite player from a mediocre one? MMA and Ganzi aside, Ryung, Puzzle, Taeja, and, until recently, CoCa, are all Code S players and have all pulled their own weight among the best in the Korean scene. Taeja has been dominating the Korean weeklies, as the only player with 6 first-place finishes in those small tournaments (other players only have at most 1 first-place finish), while Puzzle won Code A without dropping a set until the finals, while Ryung and CoCa have just shown fairly strong performances all-around.
The GSTL2 win on MMA's shoulders? He must be forgetting that Alicia got Slayers 3 kills right from the start in the final match against IM, putting them way ahead (and importantly so, since it took Ryung, Ganzi, and MMA to finally take down MVP - and let's not forget Ryung's crucial role in shifting the momentum of the match in the game against Yonghwa, and wearing down MVP in a long, exhausting, well-fought macro game). He underplays the role the rest of SlayerS played in their GSTL championships, which I honestly find highly unfair and short-sighted - just because MMA played the role of the ace doesn't mean the other team didn't do anything.
Sure, red4ce may be of the opinion that SlayerS is a crappy team, but his reasons for thinking so are very badly supported, if they have any sort of truth to them at all. I fully admit that I am a SlayerS fan, but my convictions aside, the arguments he makes in support of his opinion are objectively terrible. If he can elaborate on his statements to perhaps clear up ambiguities that caused me to misinterpret them, then I fully welcome that, but as things stand now, I see no validity in any of his reasons for disliking SlayerS.
It seems I've thrown this thread way too far off course and I apologize for that. You think SlayerS is good, I don't. You like SlayerS, I don't. I don't care why you like Slayers and you shouldn't care why I dislike SlayerS.
It's easy to fall back on some sort of statement like "That's my opinion, you have yours, let's just keep it at that" when you get the points supported your opinion picked at. The problem is that your reasons for disliking SlayerS basically boiled down to "Everyone is mediocre except MMA and Ganzi, and MMA carried them to victory in GSTL 2 and 3". Meanwhile, as you say that, SlayerS has the most players in Code S out of any other team (or close to that, IIRC), while I can easily cite examples as I did before of Alicia and Ryung pulling plenty of weight in GSTL 2 (and, if I were to go back to GSTL 3, I could definitely find other examples - for example, I recall Taeja getting an all-kill, which is inarguably a big contribution to the team's GSTL progress). Basically, I can take all your reasons for disliking SlayerS and come up with counterexamples, and even if you back up and say "Ok, but that's just my opinion", that doesn't really work, because your opinion is predicated upon all those reasons that I just countered, which is why I invited you to elaborate (even in a PM, but I suspect that you're just not interested enough to keep up this discussion, though I'm certainly open to it).
Now, if you said something truly subjective, like "I dislike the personalities of various players of theirs from various interviews I've read from them", then fine - I can't argue with that. But instead, you choose to try to discuss the abilities of their players, and since GSTL/Code A/S results and standings readily exist to provide some objective insight into a discussion about player ability, your opinion becomes much more vulnerable.
Alright fine. First, let's be clear. My dislike for SlayerS is different from my view of them as an overrated team. I won't get into why I dislike SlayerS because nobody should give a damn. I offered my opinion of SlayerS as a mediocre team as my justification for predicting Stephano doing well in this showmatch. As we saw in the GSTL foreigners top foreigners can hold their own against your average Korean in a winner's league format. If you wanna debate the strength of SlayerS as a team, then let's get it on.
MMA and Ganzi: Great players. I've already acknowledged this. Taeja: I put very little stock in online competitions. I believe in SC2 as an e-sport and thus live competition is the ultimate measure of strength. Online tournaments only measure potential; how good a player could be in ideal circumstances. Taeja still hasn't made it out of group stages in code S. That's all that matters to me. Ryung: Good at TvT, mediocre at everything else. If Sheth can beat this guy 5-2 imagine what Stephano will do. Alicia: Was good. Not anymore Puzzle: Better than Alicia, but still falls under the same category. (note that I would predict Stephano to beat any protoss in the world right now. I'd go further into detail but balance whining isn't allowed on TL) SlayerS zergs - I doubt even a SlayerS fan would have much to brag about.
I'll renact my claim that SlayerS won GSTL 2 and 3 solely because of MMA. Anti-fan bias working there. He didn't win all the games true. Nonetheless without him SlayerS wouldn't have beaten the likes of MC and MVP.
All you had to say was that you felt they were overrated. If that was already stated and I missed that, then I apologize. I dislike quite a few things because I deem them overrated so I understand where you're coming from. However, I would like to point out the contradiction between how you say you put little stock in online competitions, while, at the same time, you cite Sheth's online victory against Ryung as a minor point in your overall argument.
Anyway, thanks for the elaboration. If you want to continue discussing the strength of their players, then I'm down, though it probably won't amount to much because I generally agree with what you're saying, though I do think CoCa is a bit underrated. As a huge Alicia fan it does pain me to admit that he used to be good but hasn't shown anything recently (though I am extremely temped to go into further detail on why that is, but as you said, we should refrain from balance whining), and I hope to see him come back into form since he qualified for Code A, which gives me hope. Puzzle hasn't shown too much lately either, but, then again, what Protoss really has (counting Korean tournaments - I'm aware HuK won MLG)? The Protoss that looks best to me right now is Oz, and even then, his results are merely pretty good, but nothing particularly noteworthy. I do think Ryung is better than people give him credit for, but I agree that his TvT outshines his other matchups.
On November 16 2011 12:59 red4ce wrote: The only chance for Slayers to beat Stephano is Ganzi taking him down or one of the zergs getting a lucky BO win. Once/If Stephano loses the rest of Millenium will be a walkover.
rofl no, Stephano is nowhere near the level of the top of Code S yet, please stop overhyping him.
he lost to Boxer ffs, and then to goody. GOODY
I'm a certified Stephano 'hater', but I respect his skill. My annoyance at Stephano fans is nothing compared to by dislike for SlayerS.
Explain to me your reasoning then? He beat MMA in online qualifiers, and then later thestc (code A)+lucky (code B?). (maybe one or two more code a players I'm forgetting here) Since then, thestc has beat him and then he's lost to boxer. I think he beat Tails (code B?) as well.
I don't know where people are getting the notion that he can suddenly steam roll code S level players.
edit: Just because you dislike Slayers does not mean they are not the no.1/no.2 team right now
I know all that. I use these same results when Stephano fanatics get too annoying.
Lol #1/#2 team. They were exposed in the most recent GSTL. B teamers from any Korean team could have all-killed Acer and Atn. Their wins in GSTL2 and 3 were on MMA's shoulders. Ganzi has since become an elite player but the rest are middle of the road players not substantially different than the ones Stephano beat in IPL3.
Your hate for SlayerS is fascinating. I can't believe someone would actually be an anti-fan of an entire team of players.
If anything, what he said about them having 2 elite players and a ton of mediocre players is more fascinating, because I cannot see where he's coming from at all. I wonder what his metric is for differentiating an elite player from a mediocre one? MMA and Ganzi aside, Ryung, Puzzle, Taeja, and, until recently, CoCa, are all Code S players and have all pulled their own weight among the best in the Korean scene. Taeja has been dominating the Korean weeklies, as the only player with 6 first-place finishes in those small tournaments (other players only have at most 1 first-place finish), while Puzzle won Code A without dropping a set until the finals, while Ryung and CoCa have just shown fairly strong performances all-around.
The GSTL2 win on MMA's shoulders? He must be forgetting that Alicia got Slayers 3 kills right from the start in the final match against IM, putting them way ahead (and importantly so, since it took Ryung, Ganzi, and MMA to finally take down MVP - and let's not forget Ryung's crucial role in shifting the momentum of the match in the game against Yonghwa, and wearing down MVP in a long, exhausting, well-fought macro game). He underplays the role the rest of SlayerS played in their GSTL championships, which I honestly find highly unfair and short-sighted - just because MMA played the role of the ace doesn't mean the other team didn't do anything.
Sure, red4ce may be of the opinion that SlayerS is a crappy team, but his reasons for thinking so are very badly supported, if they have any sort of truth to them at all. I fully admit that I am a SlayerS fan, but my convictions aside, the arguments he makes in support of his opinion are objectively terrible. If he can elaborate on his statements to perhaps clear up ambiguities that caused me to misinterpret them, then I fully welcome that, but as things stand now, I see no validity in any of his reasons for disliking SlayerS.
It seems I've thrown this thread way too far off course and I apologize for that. You think SlayerS is good, I don't. You like SlayerS, I don't. I don't care why you like Slayers and you shouldn't care why I dislike SlayerS.
It's easy to fall back on some sort of statement like "That's my opinion, you have yours, let's just keep it at that" when you get the points supported your opinion picked at. The problem is that your reasons for disliking SlayerS basically boiled down to "Everyone is mediocre except MMA and Ganzi, and MMA carried them to victory in GSTL 2 and 3". Meanwhile, as you say that, SlayerS has the most players in Code S out of any other team (or close to that, IIRC), while I can easily cite examples as I did before of Alicia and Ryung pulling plenty of weight in GSTL 2 (and, if I were to go back to GSTL 3, I could definitely find other examples - for example, I recall Taeja getting an all-kill, which is inarguably a big contribution to the team's GSTL progress). Basically, I can take all your reasons for disliking SlayerS and come up with counterexamples, and even if you back up and say "Ok, but that's just my opinion", that doesn't really work, because your opinion is predicated upon all those reasons that I just countered, which is why I invited you to elaborate (even in a PM, but I suspect that you're just not interested enough to keep up this discussion, though I'm certainly open to it).
Now, if you said something truly subjective, like "I dislike the personalities of various players of theirs from various interviews I've read from them", then fine - I can't argue with that. But instead, you choose to try to discuss the abilities of their players, and since GSTL/Code A/S results and standings readily exist to provide some objective insight into a discussion about player ability, your opinion becomes much more vulnerable.
Taeja: I put very little stock in online competitions. I believe in SC2 as an e-sport and thus live competition is the ultimate measure of strength. Online tournaments only measure potential; how good a player could be in ideal circumstances. Taeja still hasn't made it out of group stages in code S. That's all that matters to me.
But if Taeja is played he will not be performing on a stage but online. How does his inability to impress in front of a crowd factor into this team series?
rofl no, Stephano is nowhere near the level of the top of Code S yet, please stop overhyping him.
he lost to Boxer ffs, and then to goody. GOODY
I'm a certified Stephano 'hater', but I respect his skill. My annoyance at Stephano fans is nothing compared to by dislike for SlayerS.
Explain to me your reasoning then? He beat MMA in online qualifiers, and then later thestc (code A)+lucky (code B?). (maybe one or two more code a players I'm forgetting here) Since then, thestc has beat him and then he's lost to boxer. I think he beat Tails (code B?) as well.
I don't know where people are getting the notion that he can suddenly steam roll code S level players.
edit: Just because you dislike Slayers does not mean they are not the no.1/no.2 team right now
I know all that. I use these same results when Stephano fanatics get too annoying.
Lol #1/#2 team. They were exposed in the most recent GSTL. B teamers from any Korean team could have all-killed Acer and Atn. Their wins in GSTL2 and 3 were on MMA's shoulders. Ganzi has since become an elite player but the rest are middle of the road players not substantially different than the ones Stephano beat in IPL3.
Your hate for SlayerS is fascinating. I can't believe someone would actually be an anti-fan of an entire team of players.
If anything, what he said about them having 2 elite players and a ton of mediocre players is more fascinating, because I cannot see where he's coming from at all. I wonder what his metric is for differentiating an elite player from a mediocre one? MMA and Ganzi aside, Ryung, Puzzle, Taeja, and, until recently, CoCa, are all Code S players and have all pulled their own weight among the best in the Korean scene. Taeja has been dominating the Korean weeklies, as the only player with 6 first-place finishes in those small tournaments (other players only have at most 1 first-place finish), while Puzzle won Code A without dropping a set until the finals, while Ryung and CoCa have just shown fairly strong performances all-around.
The GSTL2 win on MMA's shoulders? He must be forgetting that Alicia got Slayers 3 kills right from the start in the final match against IM, putting them way ahead (and importantly so, since it took Ryung, Ganzi, and MMA to finally take down MVP - and let's not forget Ryung's crucial role in shifting the momentum of the match in the game against Yonghwa, and wearing down MVP in a long, exhausting, well-fought macro game). He underplays the role the rest of SlayerS played in their GSTL championships, which I honestly find highly unfair and short-sighted - just because MMA played the role of the ace doesn't mean the other team didn't do anything.
Sure, red4ce may be of the opinion that SlayerS is a crappy team, but his reasons for thinking so are very badly supported, if they have any sort of truth to them at all. I fully admit that I am a SlayerS fan, but my convictions aside, the arguments he makes in support of his opinion are objectively terrible. If he can elaborate on his statements to perhaps clear up ambiguities that caused me to misinterpret them, then I fully welcome that, but as things stand now, I see no validity in any of his reasons for disliking SlayerS.
It seems I've thrown this thread way too far off course and I apologize for that. You think SlayerS is good, I don't. You like SlayerS, I don't. I don't care why you like Slayers and you shouldn't care why I dislike SlayerS.
It's easy to fall back on some sort of statement like "That's my opinion, you have yours, let's just keep it at that" when you get the points supported your opinion picked at. The problem is that your reasons for disliking SlayerS basically boiled down to "Everyone is mediocre except MMA and Ganzi, and MMA carried them to victory in GSTL 2 and 3". Meanwhile, as you say that, SlayerS has the most players in Code S out of any other team (or close to that, IIRC), while I can easily cite examples as I did before of Alicia and Ryung pulling plenty of weight in GSTL 2 (and, if I were to go back to GSTL 3, I could definitely find other examples - for example, I recall Taeja getting an all-kill, which is inarguably a big contribution to the team's GSTL progress). Basically, I can take all your reasons for disliking SlayerS and come up with counterexamples, and even if you back up and say "Ok, but that's just my opinion", that doesn't really work, because your opinion is predicated upon all those reasons that I just countered, which is why I invited you to elaborate (even in a PM, but I suspect that you're just not interested enough to keep up this discussion, though I'm certainly open to it).
Now, if you said something truly subjective, like "I dislike the personalities of various players of theirs from various interviews I've read from them", then fine - I can't argue with that. But instead, you choose to try to discuss the abilities of their players, and since GSTL/Code A/S results and standings readily exist to provide some objective insight into a discussion about player ability, your opinion becomes much more vulnerable.
Taeja: I put very little stock in online competitions. I believe in SC2 as an e-sport and thus live competition is the ultimate measure of strength. Online tournaments only measure potential; how good a player could be in ideal circumstances. Taeja still hasn't made it out of group stages in code S. That's all that matters to me.
But if Taeja is played he will not be performing on a stage but online. How does his inability to impress in front of a crowd factor into this team series?
Good point. I can't say much about that. +1 logic for you CosmicSpiral. Won't change my mind though.
I just don't see it happening for Millenium, but then again I haven't seen Tarson, Lalush or Adel much recently, so maybe they have really improved. Regardless, if SlayerS wants to win it, they can do so easily by playing their best players. I'm beginning to wonder if SlayerS will ever lose (to a foreign team) since they are already a very strong team in the GSTL.
Millennium will be on the brink of losing the ace match, Stephano already beaten and cast aside. MMA moves in to make the final killing blow with his 1-1-1, and Tarson WILL HOLD!
On November 16 2011 12:59 red4ce wrote: The only chance for Slayers to beat Stephano is Ganzi taking him down or one of the zergs getting a lucky BO win. Once/If Stephano loses the rest of Millenium will be a walkover.
rofl no, Stephano is nowhere near the level of the top of Code S yet, please stop overhyping him.
he lost to Boxer ffs, and then to goody. GOODY
I'm a certified Stephano 'hater', but I respect his skill. My annoyance at Stephano fans is nothing compared to by dislike for SlayerS.
Explain to me your reasoning then? He beat MMA in online qualifiers, and then later thestc (code A)+lucky (code B?). (maybe one or two more code a players I'm forgetting here) Since then, thestc has beat him and then he's lost to boxer. I think he beat Tails (code B?) as well.
I don't know where people are getting the notion that he can suddenly steam roll code S level players.
edit: Just because you dislike Slayers does not mean they are not the no.1/no.2 team right now
He still beat mma 2-0 at eswc you know ;p just joking. Stephano should be favored against b-teamers but the b-team could practice to snipe him while the a-team prolly won't invest the time in it.... Strange situation but i see a 5-1 or 5-2 coming from slayers. Maybe closer if they send only b-teamers..
This team arena thing is so much fun. Excelllent format to have (Team King of the Hill). I've been absolutely loving it and this weekend's episode might be the best one yet.
I can see Adelscott maybe taking a PvP if he faces Alicia or Puzzle, and Stephano can take down a lot of players but I'm not sure he is good enough yet to take down an MMA, Ganzi or Taeja level player just yet.
with stephano beasting it up and good backup players like lalush adelscott and tarson and okish die star with up and coming feast may have a realistic chance
Slayers (and other Korean players) have mentioned that Stephano is a top zerg so I bet they would have studied him. He might get shut down hard if that occurs.
Does anyone if the games are played live or from replays? If it's live or replays from the same day, Slayers won't be fielding MMA, Ganzi , Boxer or Puzzle because they'll be attending MLG Providence. I hope they start out with Crank, he is relatively new and has been impressive lately. Then I hope they roll out Golden, Min, Taeja and Yugioh.
On November 17 2011 02:38 blamekilly wrote: Does anyone if the games are played live or from replays? If it's live or replays from the same day, Slayers won't be fielding MMA, Ganzi , Boxer or Puzzle because they'll be attending MLG Providence. I hope they start out with Crank, he is relatively new and has been impressive lately. Then I hope they roll out Golden, Min, Taeja and Yugioh.
It's from replays. Someone spoiled results sometime ago before the broadcast (not slayers vs mille results, older results) so it's from replays
On November 17 2011 02:38 blamekilly wrote: Does anyone if the games are played live or from replays? If it's live or replays from the same day, Slayers won't be fielding MMA, Ganzi , Boxer or Puzzle because they'll be attending MLG Providence. I hope they start out with Crank, he is relatively new and has been impressive lately. Then I hope they roll out Golden, Min, Taeja and Yugioh.
It's from replays. Someone spoiled results sometime ago before the broadcast (not slayers vs mille results, older results) so it's from replays
I didn't spoiled anything. Just said who was the next opponent. I was proven to be right.
On November 16 2011 10:24 Itsmedudeman wrote: For some reason I feel slayers won't send out MMA if stephano comes out and they lose games. He hasn't been participating in anything other than GSL lately, and he didn't even go to the AOL 2.
You seriously believe that Stephano can all kill a SlayerS without MMA? Man I know Stephano is good ... but...
I would still put my money on slayers, even without MMA. He is a great player, but the team doesn't revolve around him. They can take a win over Millennium without him.
On November 17 2011 02:38 blamekilly wrote: Does anyone if the games are played live or from replays? If it's live or replays from the same day, Slayers won't be fielding MMA, Ganzi , Boxer or Puzzle because they'll be attending MLG Providence. I hope they start out with Crank, he is relatively new and has been impressive lately. Then I hope they roll out Golden, Min, Taeja and Yugioh.
It's from replays. Someone spoiled results sometime ago before the broadcast (not slayers vs mille results, older results) so it's from replays
I didn't spoiled anything. Just said who was the next opponent. I was proven to be right.
Are you ...? XD. You told everybody that Slayers had won against aTn ^^. So yes I call it spoiling results
On November 17 2011 02:38 blamekilly wrote: Does anyone if the games are played live or from replays? If it's live or replays from the same day, Slayers won't be fielding MMA, Ganzi , Boxer or Puzzle because they'll be attending MLG Providence. I hope they start out with Crank, he is relatively new and has been impressive lately. Then I hope they roll out Golden, Min, Taeja and Yugioh.
It's from replays. Someone spoiled results sometime ago before the broadcast (not slayers vs mille results, older results) so it's from replays
I didn't spoiled anything. Just said who was the next opponent. I was proven to be right.
Huh, nah you spoiled it--may as well own it up. It could have been interpreted as Stephano "assuming" that SlayerS would win, which was my falsely optimistic take but there was a reason 8 consecutive posts got deleted by mods.
It will be a very interesting match to watch, too bad most of the Millenium players seem to be in a slump (Lalush, Diestar, Tarson, Adelscott) at the moment, so let's see what Stephano can do .
(And yeah, an all-star foreigner team with Idra, Huk, Stephano, Ret and MaNa to face Slayers would be so awesome! Damn, I need a new GSL World All-Star!)
On November 17 2011 03:06 Denar wrote: It will be a very interesting match to watch, too bad most of the Millenium players seem to be in a slump (Lalush, Diestar, Tarson, Adelscott) at the moment, so let's see what Stephano can do .
(And yeah, an all-star foreigner team with Idra, Huk, Stephano, Ret and MaNa to face Slayers would be so awesome! Damn, I need a new GSL World All-Star!)
Tarson is not in a slump, he is simply not playing at all. He might be replaced by another terran if he doesn't get the motivation to play again . LaLush whined hardcore but did not do anything when zerg was winning everything in EU so his lack of results is not that surprising. Feast is very good and might kill a B teamer, Stephano can kill any Slayers but can lose to everybody as well / or be sniped. Adel I don't know we don't see him often in tournaments, he doesn't like lag and has a kinda bad connection so he should not win a game. DieStar is good but not enough to take a game off a b teamer I think. It can be interesting if Slayers doesn't try to snipe Stephano early! I hope that they will play "for the show" and let Stephano do some kills
Lets be honest here, although mill have a decent team, they are only going to get as many points as stephano gets, if he gets 5 (unlikely, possible if slayers don't use their best players) they win, if not, they lose
On November 18 2011 05:04 blamekilly wrote: OMG Millenium crushes SlayerS. What an upset!
Millenium does not have the depth to do that. Beating Slayers is like defeating a hydra, every player you beat will be replaced by a player who is stronger, faster, and designed to snipe you. In the most of their showings (Mouz excluded), they send out a B-teamer first, but still someone who is very deadly and very skilled by foreigner standards, and definitely capable of an all-kill.
Let's say you somehow beat this B-teamer. Then Slayers sends out a better player, then another better player, then another better player, and so on until then enemy crumbles. You just beat Lots? Congrats, now beat Ryung. Just beat Ryung? Impressive, here's Puzzle. Took out Puzzle too? Wow, you are strong...Taeja would like a word with you. Beat Taeja? Maybe you are a threat...meet MMA.
I'm a certified Stephano 'hater', but I respect his skill. My annoyance at Stephano fans is nothing compared to by dislike for SlayerS.
Explain to me your reasoning then? He beat MMA in online qualifiers, and then later thestc (code A)+lucky (code B?). (maybe one or two more code a players I'm forgetting here) Since then, thestc has beat him and then he's lost to boxer. I think he beat Tails (code B?) as well.
I don't know where people are getting the notion that he can suddenly steam roll code S level players.
edit: Just because you dislike Slayers does not mean they are not the no.1/no.2 team right now
I know all that. I use these same results when Stephano fanatics get too annoying.
Lol #1/#2 team. They were exposed in the most recent GSTL. B teamers from any Korean team could have all-killed Acer and Atn. Their wins in GSTL2 and 3 were on MMA's shoulders. Ganzi has since become an elite player but the rest are middle of the road players not substantially different than the ones Stephano beat in IPL3.
Your hate for SlayerS is fascinating. I can't believe someone would actually be an anti-fan of an entire team of players.
If anything, what he said about them having 2 elite players and a ton of mediocre players is more fascinating, because I cannot see where he's coming from at all. I wonder what his metric is for differentiating an elite player from a mediocre one? MMA and Ganzi aside, Ryung, Puzzle, Taeja, and, until recently, CoCa, are all Code S players and have all pulled their own weight among the best in the Korean scene. Taeja has been dominating the Korean weeklies, as the only player with 6 first-place finishes in those small tournaments (other players only have at most 1 first-place finish), while Puzzle won Code A without dropping a set until the finals, while Ryung and CoCa have just shown fairly strong performances all-around.
The GSTL2 win on MMA's shoulders? He must be forgetting that Alicia got Slayers 3 kills right from the start in the final match against IM, putting them way ahead (and importantly so, since it took Ryung, Ganzi, and MMA to finally take down MVP - and let's not forget Ryung's crucial role in shifting the momentum of the match in the game against Yonghwa, and wearing down MVP in a long, exhausting, well-fought macro game). He underplays the role the rest of SlayerS played in their GSTL championships, which I honestly find highly unfair and short-sighted - just because MMA played the role of the ace doesn't mean the other team didn't do anything.
Sure, red4ce may be of the opinion that SlayerS is a crappy team, but his reasons for thinking so are very badly supported, if they have any sort of truth to them at all. I fully admit that I am a SlayerS fan, but my convictions aside, the arguments he makes in support of his opinion are objectively terrible. If he can elaborate on his statements to perhaps clear up ambiguities that caused me to misinterpret them, then I fully welcome that, but as things stand now, I see no validity in any of his reasons for disliking SlayerS.
It seems I've thrown this thread way too far off course and I apologize for that. You think SlayerS is good, I don't. You like SlayerS, I don't. I don't care why you like Slayers and you shouldn't care why I dislike SlayerS.
It's easy to fall back on some sort of statement like "That's my opinion, you have yours, let's just keep it at that" when you get the points supported your opinion picked at. The problem is that your reasons for disliking SlayerS basically boiled down to "Everyone is mediocre except MMA and Ganzi, and MMA carried them to victory in GSTL 2 and 3". Meanwhile, as you say that, SlayerS has the most players in Code S out of any other team (or close to that, IIRC), while I can easily cite examples as I did before of Alicia and Ryung pulling plenty of weight in GSTL 2 (and, if I were to go back to GSTL 3, I could definitely find other examples - for example, I recall Taeja getting an all-kill, which is inarguably a big contribution to the team's GSTL progress). Basically, I can take all your reasons for disliking SlayerS and come up with counterexamples, and even if you back up and say "Ok, but that's just my opinion", that doesn't really work, because your opinion is predicated upon all those reasons that I just countered, which is why I invited you to elaborate (even in a PM, but I suspect that you're just not interested enough to keep up this discussion, though I'm certainly open to it).
Now, if you said something truly subjective, like "I dislike the personalities of various players of theirs from various interviews I've read from them", then fine - I can't argue with that. But instead, you choose to try to discuss the abilities of their players, and since GSTL/Code A/S results and standings readily exist to provide some objective insight into a discussion about player ability, your opinion becomes much more vulnerable.
Taeja: I put very little stock in online competitions. I believe in SC2 as an e-sport and thus live competition is the ultimate measure of strength. Online tournaments only measure potential; how good a player could be in ideal circumstances. Taeja still hasn't made it out of group stages in code S. That's all that matters to me.
But if Taeja is played he will not be performing on a stage but online. How does his inability to impress in front of a crowd factor into this team series?
Good point. I can't say much about that. +1 logic for you CosmicSpiral. Won't change my mind though.
Don't expect it to. Taeja's flops in the group stages have certainly pissed me off and reflect poorly on his mental strength, but that means nothing in this team match. He's strong in online competition and that's all that matters. You can't cherry-pick results.
On November 18 2011 05:04 blamekilly wrote: OMG Millenium crushes SlayerS. What an upset!
Millenium does not have the depth to do that. Beating Slayers is like defeating a hydra, every player you beat will be replaced by a player who is stronger, faster, and designed to snipe you. In the most of their showings (Mouz excluded), they send out a B-teamer first, but still someone who is very deadly and very skilled by foreigner standards, and definitely capable of an all-kill.
Let's say you somehow beat this B-teamer. Then Slayers sends out a better player, then another better player, then another better player, and so on until then enemy crumbles. You just beat Lots? Congrats, now beat Ryung. Just beat Ryung? Impressive, here's Puzzle. Took out Puzzle too? Wow, you are strong...Taeja would like a word with you. Beat Taeja? Maybe you are a threat...meet MMA.
Wow Millenium has a pretty respectable lineup. I haven't heard from Lalush, Adelscott, Tarson in so long I totally forgot they were on this team. They might have a decent shot if SlayerS doesn't send their absolute best.
On November 18 2011 08:40 ItsMeDomLee wrote: If SlayerS takes too many more of these you might have to rename this event to the SlayerS Arena.
Not really surprising when a team arena has winners format and arguably the best team in Korea
They flopped quite hard in the most recent GSTL. Last in group A.
The 'throw Terrans at every team' strategy didn't quite work out.
Taeja performed pretty well. Ganzi and MMA flopped hard, but now they're both playing really, really well. Ryung not so much, but they have a better team overall than during the team league there is no denying that.
On November 18 2011 10:04 SarcasmMonster wrote: Crank is probably the strongest Protoss on Slayers at the moment. Unless Alicia has improved lots since the last time I've seen him play.
On November 18 2011 10:04 SarcasmMonster wrote: Crank is probably the strongest Protoss on Slayers at the moment. Unless Alicia has improved lots since the last time I've seen him play.
heehee... i found this funny because it could mean Alicia has improved SlayerSLots's play or Alicia has improved a lot gosh im so clever
On November 18 2011 10:04 SarcasmMonster wrote: Crank is probably the strongest Protoss on Slayers at the moment. Unless Alicia has improved lots since the last time I've seen him play.
Puzzle?
Also, Stephano starting off is great for EU viewers. I'll go to bed when he loses.
On November 18 2011 10:04 SarcasmMonster wrote: Crank is probably the strongest Protoss on Slayers at the moment. Unless Alicia has improved lots since the last time I've seen him play.
lol did you forget about Puzzle?
Puzzle never really impresses me, but that's the right choice, derp.
I think they especially shouldnt have sent him since Slayers has to get out A team players, if Stephano gets 2-3 wins. Then the other Mill players have to play these - and not Crank/Lots/Golden.
I don't think sending Stephano is bad. If slayers sends out 2 B teamers and he takes them out, then there'll be a lot more pressure on the 3rd player who will most likely be A team. Then if he gets taken out then there's a lot more pressure on the next people in line.
On November 18 2011 10:09 Itsmedudeman wrote: I don't think sending Stephano is bad. If slayers sends out 2 B teamers and he takes them out, then there'll be a lot more pressure on the 3rd player who will most likely be A team. Then if he gets taken out then there's a lot more pressure on the next people in line.
As I say this it completely backfires and now M is in trouble lol
Well this is more than disappointing. Crank is obviously not a well known player, and he just took out their ace. I'd love to see some other Millenium players take the spotlight a bit though.
Wow why the hell would they send Stephano in first? Hes obviously their best play and the best chance to kill at least one or two players but not all of them....
On November 18 2011 10:13 Bazingaa wrote: Sexy strat? more like an annoying all-in :/
Took advantage of stephano not going speed with lots of drones... i'd call it a good decision. It could have been simple harass but it worked so he continued.
At least they sent out Crank. He's really impressing me in the Korean Weekly. His PvT is definitely his best match-up so I'll be looking forward to seeing it.
On November 18 2011 10:13 Bazingaa wrote: Sexy strat? more like an annoying all-in :/
Putting pressure on a zerg is all in? This is fairly common and I see it all the time, and it usually goes to a normal game. He just kept making more voidrays cause he saw stephano was losing all his queens.
well as a zerg it makes me sad to see stephano lose... but that tbh that was nice... using zealots to focus queens and then vrays have free reign... its actually pretty cool...
On November 18 2011 10:14 Chicane wrote: Well this is more than disappointing. Crank is obviously not a well known player, and he just took out their ace. I'd love to see some other Millenium players take the spotlight a bit though.
Crank got to the finals in this ESV Weekly, that's the only thing I have seen from him. I think he's pretty new on SlayerS.
On November 18 2011 10:13 Bazingaa wrote: Sexy strat? more like an annoying all-in :/
lol, what do you want? Let Stephano droning like a mad man and overwhelming Crank? Deal with it, Stephano didn't handle the pressure well, that was multiprong attack and Stephano got way too many drones, he even let the probe in his man base, running queen around 1 by 1 to die. He deserved to lose.
Wow this team is crazy good at finding the holes in a player's style. Crank deserves props for the execution but the team coaches should get a ton of credit for that win.
i don't know why he didnt react properly, this is near the same strat kiwikaki did to him many times ! usually he react by making spores and hydra way earlyer !!!!!
On November 18 2011 10:17 AIOL! wrote: i don't know why he didnt react properly, this is near the same strat kiwikaki did to him many times ! usually he react by making spores and hydra way earlyer !!!!!
Stephano just lost to Drewbie on NASL Semi-Open too... Sloppy play as well. Seems like he's not been practicing recently, or something.
Wish people would stop saying he's playing bad, he's playing fine. Too many people overrated him and are now confused why he's not a superstar 100% of the time. He's gonna lose some games
Cranks PvP is his weakness, been watching him on the korean weeklys, he cheeses in that matchup since he is not confident. Takes too much risks in the matchup. Adell haas to take this, if mill wants to have a solid result.
PS: Crank is not known, but i wouldnt call him low-tier korean, he is pretty good.
On November 18 2011 10:14 Chicane wrote: Well this is more than disappointing. Crank is obviously not a well known player, and he just took out their ace. I'd love to see some other Millenium players take the spotlight a bit though.
Crank got to the finals in this ESV Weekly, that's the only thing I have seen from him. I think he's pretty new on SlayerS.
He also had a really nice series vs Ryung in the IPL 4 uk qualifer, semi finals.
On November 18 2011 10:14 Chicane wrote: Well this is more than disappointing. Crank is obviously not a well known player, and he just took out their ace. I'd love to see some other Millenium players take the spotlight a bit though.
Crank got to the finals in this ESV Weekly, that's the only thing I have seen from him. I think he's pretty new on SlayerS.
He actually got to the finals back-to-back since his debut.
Thus the all kill is averted. Congrats Adelscott. Slayers' 12-0 win streak that had began with Thorzain and had included the all kills of acer and aTn and ended with Stephano has finally ended.
Stephano just lost to Drewbie on NASL Semi-Open too... Sloppy play as well. Seems like he's not been practicing recently, or something.
Wish people would stop saying he's playing bad, he's playing fine. Too many people overrated him and are now confused why he's not a superstar 100% of the time. He's gonna lose some games
stop with overrated. idra is overrated too. huk aswell, naniwa, select and sase too.
Stephano just lost to Drewbie on NASL Semi-Open too... Sloppy play as well. Seems like he's not been practicing recently, or something.
Wish people would stop saying he's playing bad, he's playing fine. Too many people overrated him and are now confused why he's not a superstar 100% of the time. He's gonna lose some games
stop with overrated. idra is overrated too. huk aswell, naniwa, select and sase too.
I agree completely. (Maybe not with HuK, he has consistenly proven he can beat Code S players, but I don't think he's top ten in the world or anything) My point was so many people were like "omg stephano code S ezpz" after he beat a couple code A players and now they are confused why he isn't dominating everything.
Damn just tuned in and find stephano already lose to a random protoss -_- Slayers roster is stacked deep it seems, all killing with unknown players each time they play in these team leagues.
Stephano just lost to Drewbie on NASL Semi-Open too... Sloppy play as well. Seems like he's not been practicing recently, or something.
Wish people would stop saying he's playing bad, he's playing fine. Too many people overrated him and are now confused why he's not a superstar 100% of the time. He's gonna lose some games
stop with overrated. idra is overrated too. huk aswell, naniwa, select and sase too.
I agree completely. (Maybe not with HuK, he has consistenly proven he can beat Code S players, but I don't think he's top ten in the world or anything) My point was so many people were like "omg stephano code S ezpz" after he beat a couple code A players and now they are confused why he isn't dominating everything.
well remeber huk after winning MLG with the thread "is huk best protoss in the world blabla" 2 or 3 weeks laters he was losing 3-1 vs Elfi.
Yeah rmember it's nearly 3am in europe too, so steph was maybe tired, it's a bo1, a new strat he has to face etc... but anyway i agree steph s not at his best these times : poor ratio on ladder, looses way more often than before.
Stephano just lost to Drewbie on NASL Semi-Open too... Sloppy play as well. Seems like he's not been practicing recently, or something.
Wish people would stop saying he's playing bad, he's playing fine. Too many people overrated him and are now confused why he's not a superstar 100% of the time. He's gonna lose some games
stop with overrated. idra is overrated too. huk aswell, naniwa, select and sase too.
I agree completely. (Maybe not with HuK, he has consistenly proven he can beat Code S players, but I don't think he's top ten in the world or anything) My point was so many people were like "omg stephano code S ezpz" after he beat a couple code A players and now they are confused why he isn't dominating everything.
well remeber huk after winning MLG with the thread "is huk best protoss in the world blabla" 2 or 3 weeks laters he was losing 3-1 vs Elfi.
Best players in the world still lose. MVP lost to MMA 4-1 plus I don't think Elfi's other match ups are at all close to HuK's PvZ or PvT.
Stephano just lost to Drewbie on NASL Semi-Open too... Sloppy play as well. Seems like he's not been practicing recently, or something.
Wish people would stop saying he's playing bad, he's playing fine. Too many people overrated him and are now confused why he's not a superstar 100% of the time. He's gonna lose some games
stop with overrated. idra is overrated too. huk aswell, naniwa, select and sase too.
I agree completely. (Maybe not with HuK, he has consistenly proven he can beat Code S players, but I don't think he's top ten in the world or anything) My point was so many people were like "omg stephano code S ezpz" after he beat a couple code A players and now they are confused why he isn't dominating everything.
well remeber huk after winning MLG with the thread "is huk best protoss in the world blabla" 2 or 3 weeks laters he was losing 3-1 vs Elfi.
Well yeah thats my point. He isn't the best protoss in the world. (Although I wouldn't use one series to judge that)
edit: Looks like golden is going roach---> muta and just gonna outmultitask Adel. It is known
Don't see why the casters felt that the spine crawlers were so weird. Its smart play since the zerg is floating so much minerals anyways and complements his spire for a base trade.
On November 18 2011 10:43 AIOL! wrote: Yeah rmember it's nearly 3am in europe too, so steph was maybe tired, it's a bo1, a new strat he has to face etc... but anyway i agree steph s not at his best these times : poor ratio on ladder, looses way more often than before.
On November 18 2011 10:54 Noktix wrote: God damn, this mid-game huge muta switch has become SOOO popular in the meta game of zvp. Must be so annoying for Protoss to deal with.
I agree, but normally it's a lot closer than that, Adel did have a failed six gate after all -.-
On November 18 2011 10:52 wklbishop wrote: Talked about well-planned by Golden.
With his wall of crawl... absolutely amazing play.
-.- well its pretty standard to get a bunch of crawlers because its really hard to hold off pushes with pure muta-ling-bling...
I thought Golden shouldn't have sacked his roaches just for 3rd base but I guess he had enough at home to hold on
I think it was a smart choice to sac his roaches for nexus. If toss waits and rebuilds his army, zerg will be so ahead on the economy. If toss decides to attack, he has the spine crawlers + mutas to defend. I think it was just a well planned start.
On November 18 2011 10:43 AIOL! wrote: Yeah rmember it's nearly 3am in europe too, so steph was maybe tired, it's a bo1, a new strat he has to face etc... but anyway i agree steph s not at his best these times : poor ratio on ladder, looses way more often than before.
On November 18 2011 10:52 wklbishop wrote: Talked about well-planned by Golden.
With his wall of crawl... absolutely amazing play.
-.- well its pretty standard to get a bunch of crawlers because its really hard to hold off pushes with pure muta-ling...
I thought Golden shouldn't have sacked his roaches just for 3rd base but I guess he had enough at home to hold on
I think it was a smart choice to sac his roaches for nexus. If toss waits and rebuilds his army, zerg will be so ahead on the economy. If toss decides to attack, he has the spine crawlers + mutas to defend. I think it was just a well planned start.
Basically I said that bcuz he could have pulled toss army out of position with a feigned push, split lings up when toss leave the ramp, and send half to main and half to natural. Then toss would have to pull back from third to defend main...
And Golden had 15 mutas building during the fight, and if he went into the main with those, Adel would have to respond with much of his army, again a chance to snipe the nexus for fewer losses
On November 18 2011 10:52 wklbishop wrote: Talked about well-planned by Golden.
With his wall of crawl... absolutely amazing play.
-.- well its pretty standard to get a bunch of crawlers because its really hard to hold off pushes with pure muta-ling...
I thought Golden shouldn't have sacked his roaches just for 3rd base but I guess he had enough at home to hold on
I think it was a smart choice to sac his roaches for nexus. If toss waits and rebuilds his army, zerg will be so ahead on the economy. If toss decides to attack, he has the spine crawlers + mutas to defend. I think it was just a well planned start.
Basically I said that bcuz he could have pulled toss army out of position with a feigned push, split lings up when toss leave the ramp, and send half to main and half to natural. Then toss would have to pull back from third to defend main...
And Golden had 15 mutas building during the fight, and if he went into the main with those, Adel would have to respond with much of his army, again a chance to snipe the nexus for fewer losses
I'd have to re-watch the replay, but saccing roaches to transition to a stronger late game unit composition is pretty common. Leenock does this frequently, and its pretty smart. However, I do agree he probably could've made them slightly more efficient, but it was not a necessity to have the roaches survive (especially given his multitasking was allowing him to macro to a 4th base, put up spines, and control lings in the main).
On November 16 2011 12:59 red4ce wrote: The only chance for Slayers to beat Stephano is Ganzi taking him down or one of the zergs getting a lucky BO win. Once/If Stephano loses the rest of Millenium will be a walkover.
rofl no, Stephano is nowhere near the level of the top of Code S yet, please stop overhyping him.
he lost to Boxer ffs, and then to goody. GOODY
finally a post i can agree with. stephanio might be a good player but laddering (on eu of all servers) and weekend cups arent much to go off of.. MLG is the proving grounds for the foreign community and stephanio doesnt have what it takes to compete with the players in pool play(yet?) as we saw in last MLG.
On November 16 2011 12:59 red4ce wrote: The only chance for Slayers to beat Stephano is Ganzi taking him down or one of the zergs getting a lucky BO win. Once/If Stephano loses the rest of Millenium will be a walkover.
rofl no, Stephano is nowhere near the level of the top of Code S yet, please stop overhyping him.
he lost to Boxer ffs, and then to goody. GOODY
finally a post i can agree with. stephanio might be a good player but laddering (on eu of all servers) and weekend cups arent much to go off of.. MLG is the proving grounds for the foreign community and stephanio doesnt have what it takes to compete with the players in pool play(yet?) as we saw in last MLG.
On November 16 2011 12:59 red4ce wrote: The only chance for Slayers to beat Stephano is Ganzi taking him down or one of the zergs getting a lucky BO win. Once/If Stephano loses the rest of Millenium will be a walkover.
rofl no, Stephano is nowhere near the level of the top of Code S yet, please stop overhyping him.
he lost to Boxer ffs, and then to goody. GOODY
finally a post i can agree with. stephanio might be a good player but laddering (on eu of all servers) and weekend cups arent much to go off of.. MLG is the proving grounds for the foreign community and stephanio doesnt have what it takes to compete with the players in pool play(yet?) as we saw in last MLG.
Even Machine is 1-4 vs Goody.
Tbh Nestea has a losing record to Goody
Burrow ling! I wish zergs did this more often cause its a 100/100 investment to make Terran waste a scan every time he wants to take a base and it gives you a chance to burrow banes
On November 16 2011 12:59 red4ce wrote: The only chance for Slayers to beat Stephano is Ganzi taking him down or one of the zergs getting a lucky BO win. Once/If Stephano loses the rest of Millenium will be a walkover.
rofl no, Stephano is nowhere near the level of the top of Code S yet, please stop overhyping him.
he lost to Boxer ffs, and then to goody. GOODY
finally a post i can agree with. stephanio might be a good player but laddering (on eu of all servers) and weekend cups arent much to go off of.. MLG is the proving grounds for the foreign community and stephanio doesnt have what it takes to compete with the players in pool play(yet?) as we saw in last MLG.
Ok THIS is not true, if Huk has a code S level then Stephano has a code S level, like Idra and Nestea (who's in code A now). The "code S bla bla " means nothing and losing to a guy in bo1 doens't change you level in 1s.
On November 18 2011 11:13 Proko wrote: The skill gap of Diestar and Golden became very apparent there
To be honnest the TvZ is the worst match-up of every european terran (even foreigner in general) but Thorzain. I just NEVER see a terran win vs the Stephano/Nerchio/Dimaga (we can include Idra too)
Ok THIS is not true, if Huk has a code S level then Stephano has a code S level, like Idra and Nestea (who's in code A now). The "code S bla bla " means nothing and losing to a guy in bo1 doens't change you level in 1s.
Nestea is not really in Code A, he is in the code a part of the tourney, but he only needs to win one game to be code s. saying he is code a already, would mean all the code s players of last season who had to play up&down were code a.
On November 16 2011 12:59 red4ce wrote: The only chance for Slayers to beat Stephano is Ganzi taking him down or one of the zergs getting a lucky BO win. Once/If Stephano loses the rest of Millenium will be a walkover.
rofl no, Stephano is nowhere near the level of the top of Code S yet, please stop overhyping him.
he lost to Boxer ffs, and then to goody. GOODY
finally a post i can agree with. stephanio might be a good player but laddering (on eu of all servers) and weekend cups arent much to go off of.. MLG is the proving grounds for the foreign community and stephanio doesnt have what it takes to compete with the players in pool play(yet?) as we saw in last MLG.
Ok THIS is not true, if Huk has a code S level then Stephano has a code S level, like Idra and Nestea (who's in code A now). The "code S bla bla " means nothing and losing to a guy in bo1 doens't change you level in 1s.
What, so it only counts if you win? Discard all the losses?
On November 16 2011 12:59 red4ce wrote: The only chance for Slayers to beat Stephano is Ganzi taking him down or one of the zergs getting a lucky BO win. Once/If Stephano loses the rest of Millenium will be a walkover.
rofl no, Stephano is nowhere near the level of the top of Code S yet, please stop overhyping him.
he lost to Boxer ffs, and then to goody. GOODY
finally a post i can agree with. stephanio might be a good player but laddering (on eu of all servers) and weekend cups arent much to go off of.. MLG is the proving grounds for the foreign community and stephanio doesnt have what it takes to compete with the players in pool play(yet?) as we saw in last MLG.
Ok THIS is not true, if Huk has a code S level then Stephano has a code S level, like Idra and Nestea (who's in code A now). The "code S bla bla " means nothing and losing to a guy in bo1 doens't change you level in 1s.
Huk earned his code-s status.. stephanio does not deserve to be called code-s based on a few weekend online cups and laddering.. like i said hes good but performing at important lan events is wat seperates good players from legends.
If I were Cella + the strat coach I would be so, so proud of Golden for the way he played that game. Between his very tactful zergling burrowing + bane bombs + harassment, etc. He played a super smart game, even if he doesn't have god tier mechanics like MMA. He played a really smart game.
On November 16 2011 12:59 red4ce wrote: The only chance for Slayers to beat Stephano is Ganzi taking him down or one of the zergs getting a lucky BO win. Once/If Stephano loses the rest of Millenium will be a walkover.
rofl no, Stephano is nowhere near the level of the top of Code S yet, please stop overhyping him.
he lost to Boxer ffs, and then to goody. GOODY
finally a post i can agree with. stephanio might be a good player but laddering (on eu of all servers) and weekend cups arent much to go off of.. MLG is the proving grounds for the foreign community and stephanio doesnt have what it takes to compete with the players in pool play(yet?) as we saw in last MLG.
Ok THIS is not true, if Huk has a code S level then Stephano has a code S level, like Idra and Nestea (who's in code A now). The "code S bla bla " means nothing and losing to a guy in bo1 doens't change you level in 1s.
Well the new GSL format has Code A more like a loser's bracket than anything so its tough to say Nestea is Code A in the sense it has always meant... I mean he got to ro. 16 which in times past would have meant he kept Code S.
And people have recognized Huk for his code S level because he has been in Code S and has been doing decently for the last couple of GSL.
IdrA has some really nice ZvT, but even as a IdrA fanboy, I would hesitate to say that he is Code S... maybe he can beat out the bottom 25% but Code S is really competitive
So the overall point is not that Stephano is bad, but that people think that he may have been overhyped. People were calling him best Zerg in the world, and saying he could take on the world. that may be a little premature, but how good he is will come int ime
On November 18 2011 11:13 Proko wrote: The skill gap of Diestar and Golden became very apparent there
To be honnest the TvZ is the worst match-up of every european terran (even foreigner in general) but Thorzain. I just NEVER see a terran win vs the Stephano/Nerchio/Dimaga (we can include Idra too)
Drewbie just destroyed stephano on the NASL stream, the foreign terran are getting more competitive now after training in korea.
On November 16 2011 12:59 red4ce wrote: The only chance for Slayers to beat Stephano is Ganzi taking him down or one of the zergs getting a lucky BO win. Once/If Stephano loses the rest of Millenium will be a walkover.
rofl no, Stephano is nowhere near the level of the top of Code S yet, please stop overhyping him.
he lost to Boxer ffs, and then to goody. GOODY
finally a post i can agree with. stephanio might be a good player but laddering (on eu of all servers) and weekend cups arent much to go off of.. MLG is the proving grounds for the foreign community and stephanio doesnt have what it takes to compete with the players in pool play(yet?) as we saw in last MLG.
Ok THIS is not true, if Huk has a code S level then Stephano has a code S level, like Idra and Nestea (who's in code A now). The "code S bla bla " means nothing and losing to a guy in bo1 doens't change you level in 1s.
What, so it only counts if you win? Discard all the losses?
Then count ALL the Huk losses in the first rounf of 75% of the tourneys he attendend since 6 months... And the guy is code S and won the MLG. This is the game, randomness etc...
On November 16 2011 12:59 red4ce wrote: The only chance for Slayers to beat Stephano is Ganzi taking him down or one of the zergs getting a lucky BO win. Once/If Stephano loses the rest of Millenium will be a walkover.
rofl no, Stephano is nowhere near the level of the top of Code S yet, please stop overhyping him.
he lost to Boxer ffs, and then to goody. GOODY
finally a post i can agree with. stephanio might be a good player but laddering (on eu of all servers) and weekend cups arent much to go off of.. MLG is the proving grounds for the foreign community and stephanio doesnt have what it takes to compete with the players in pool play(yet?) as we saw in last MLG.
Ok THIS is not true, if Huk has a code S level then Stephano has a code S level, like Idra and Nestea (who's in code A now). The "code S bla bla " means nothing and losing to a guy in bo1 doens't change you level in 1s.
Huk earned his code-s status.. stephanio does not deserve to be called code-s based on a few weekend online cups and laddering.. like i said hes good but performing at important lan events is wat seperates good players from legends.
Where do you come from he just won IPL3 and eswc, 60k$, MKP, MMA, Huk etc... you remember this is not long time ago -_-
On November 16 2011 12:59 red4ce wrote: The only chance for Slayers to beat Stephano is Ganzi taking him down or one of the zergs getting a lucky BO win. Once/If Stephano loses the rest of Millenium will be a walkover.
rofl no, Stephano is nowhere near the level of the top of Code S yet, please stop overhyping him.
he lost to Boxer ffs, and then to goody. GOODY
finally a post i can agree with. stephanio might be a good player but laddering (on eu of all servers) and weekend cups arent much to go off of.. MLG is the proving grounds for the foreign community and stephanio doesnt have what it takes to compete with the players in pool play(yet?) as we saw in last MLG.
Ok THIS is not true, if Huk has a code S level then Stephano has a code S level, like Idra and Nestea (who's in code A now). The "code S bla bla " means nothing and losing to a guy in bo1 doens't change you level in 1s.
Huk earned his code-s status.. stephanio does not deserve to be called code-s based on a few weekend online cups and laddering.. like i said hes good but performing at important lan events is wat seperates good players from legends.
Where do you come from he just won IPL3 and eswc, 60k$, MKP, MMA, Huk etc... you remember this is not long time ago -_-
On November 16 2011 12:59 red4ce wrote: The only chance for Slayers to beat Stephano is Ganzi taking him down or one of the zergs getting a lucky BO win. Once/If Stephano loses the rest of Millenium will be a walkover.
rofl no, Stephano is nowhere near the level of the top of Code S yet, please stop overhyping him.
he lost to Boxer ffs, and then to goody. GOODY
finally a post i can agree with. stephanio might be a good player but laddering (on eu of all servers) and weekend cups arent much to go off of.. MLG is the proving grounds for the foreign community and stephanio doesnt have what it takes to compete with the players in pool play(yet?) as we saw in last MLG.
Ok THIS is not true, if Huk has a code S level then Stephano has a code S level, like Idra and Nestea (who's in code A now). The "code S bla bla " means nothing and losing to a guy in bo1 doens't change you level in 1s.
Huk earned his code-s status.. stephanio does not deserve to be called code-s based on a few weekend online cups and laddering.. like i said hes good but performing at important lan events is wat seperates good players from legends.
Where do you come from he just won IPL3 and eswc, 60k$, MKP, MMA, Huk etc... you remember this is not long time ago -_-
On November 16 2011 12:59 red4ce wrote: The only chance for Slayers to beat Stephano is Ganzi taking him down or one of the zergs getting a lucky BO win. Once/If Stephano loses the rest of Millenium will be a walkover.
rofl no, Stephano is nowhere near the level of the top of Code S yet, please stop overhyping him.
he lost to Boxer ffs, and then to goody. GOODY
finally a post i can agree with. stephanio might be a good player but laddering (on eu of all servers) and weekend cups arent much to go off of.. MLG is the proving grounds for the foreign community and stephanio doesnt have what it takes to compete with the players in pool play(yet?) as we saw in last MLG.
Ok THIS is not true, if Huk has a code S level then Stephano has a code S level, like Idra and Nestea (who's in code A now). The "code S bla bla " means nothing and losing to a guy in bo1 doens't change you level in 1s.
Huk earned his code-s status.. stephanio does not deserve to be called code-s based on a few weekend online cups and laddering.. like i said hes good but performing at important lan events is wat seperates good players from legends.
Where do you come from he just won IPL3 and eswc, 60k$, MKP, MMA, Huk etc... you remember this is not long time ago -_-
Play like a retard and then don't gg in a broadcasted game. Nice.
Edit: Okay it's fine if you have a bm player on your team, but actually forfeitting the final fucking match? What the shit Millenium? Why start the series if you can't get 5 players to show?
Did HD just call that a build order win for SlayerS?
By any definition, Lalush should've been able to kill a 15 hatch into 16 gas into 16 pool with 1 base bling. Its so far from a build order loss. Its just terrible terrible terrible execution.
On November 16 2011 12:59 red4ce wrote: The only chance for Slayers to beat Stephano is Ganzi taking him down or one of the zergs getting a lucky BO win. Once/If Stephano loses the rest of Millenium will be a walkover.
rofl no, Stephano is nowhere near the level of the top of Code S yet, please stop overhyping him.
he lost to Boxer ffs, and then to goody. GOODY
finally a post i can agree with. stephanio might be a good player but laddering (on eu of all servers) and weekend cups arent much to go off of.. MLG is the proving grounds for the foreign community and stephanio doesnt have what it takes to compete with the players in pool play(yet?) as we saw in last MLG.
Ok THIS is not true, if Huk has a code S level then Stephano has a code S level, like Idra and Nestea (who's in code A now). The "code S bla bla " means nothing and losing to a guy in bo1 doens't change you level in 1s.
Huk earned his code-s status.. stephanio does not deserve to be called code-s based on a few weekend online cups and laddering.. like i said hes good but performing at important lan events is wat seperates good players from legends.
Where do you come from he just won IPL3 and eswc, 60k$, MKP, MMA, Huk etc... you remember this is not long time ago -_-
You can't call someone code S just for beating people who are in code S. Huk is (or was?) in code S and he earned it through the qualifiers and stayed there with some pretty consistent results against other Code A/S players. That is why Huk is code S level. Stephano has never played in GSL = quite literally isn't in code S. Speculating about what level he might be if he played against Koreans consistently is just that - speculation.
Why would they let a top Korean team into the IPL i dont think there is any non korean team that could take them down MAYBE EG and maybe coL if they can use MVP players.
On November 16 2011 12:59 red4ce wrote: The only chance for Slayers to beat Stephano is Ganzi taking him down or one of the zergs getting a lucky BO win. Once/If Stephano loses the rest of Millenium will be a walkover.
rofl no, Stephano is nowhere near the level of the top of Code S yet, please stop overhyping him.
he lost to Boxer ffs, and then to goody. GOODY
finally a post i can agree with. stephanio might be a good player but laddering (on eu of all servers) and weekend cups arent much to go off of.. MLG is the proving grounds for the foreign community and stephanio doesnt have what it takes to compete with the players in pool play(yet?) as we saw in last MLG.
Ok THIS is not true, if Huk has a code S level then Stephano has a code S level, like Idra and Nestea (who's in code A now). The "code S bla bla " means nothing and losing to a guy in bo1 doens't change you level in 1s.
Huk earned his code-s status.. stephanio does not deserve to be called code-s based on a few weekend online cups and laddering.. like i said hes good but performing at important lan events is wat seperates good players from legends.
Where do you come from he just won IPL3 and eswc, 60k$, MKP, MMA, Huk etc... you remember this is not long time ago -_-
Easy there he didn't beat MMA.
be quiet, he beat mma at ipl3 qualifiers
Online qualifiers=lag from Korea...yeah. I mean if we go by that, Adelscott beat MVP, Goody beat Nestea and Cruncher beat MKP. Guess we could consider them Code S too...
On November 18 2011 11:30 ItsMeDomLee wrote: Lalush BMs SlayerS haha. Stay classy.
People are crazy if they think not GGing is BM. It would have been BM if he insulted his opponent and left the game. Not saying GG is just not being unnecessarily polite.
The finals of the IPL 3 qualifiers didn't matter at all. Second and first place got the same thing, with a spot in IPL 3, so MMA probably didn't try that hard.
On November 18 2011 11:32 IOvEggY wrote: Why would they let a top Korean team into the IPL i dont think there is any non korean team that could take them down MAYBE EG and maybe coL if they can use MVP players.
That's upsetting. I really wanted to see tarson. Do you think that maybe they gave up? I want to give them the benefit of the doubt but i dont know :S GG's tho. Well done IPL as always
On November 18 2011 11:30 ItsMeDomLee wrote: Lalush BMs SlayerS haha. Stay classy.
People are crazy if they think not GGing is BM. It would have been BM if he insulted his opponent and left the game. Not saying GG is just not being unnecessarily polite.
On November 18 2011 11:32 IOvEggY wrote: Why would they let a top Korean team into the IPL i dont think there is any non korean team that could take them down MAYBE EG and maybe coL if they can use MVP players.
On November 18 2011 11:30 ItsMeDomLee wrote: Lalush BMs SlayerS haha. Stay classy.
People are crazy if they think not GGing is BM. It would have been BM if he insulted his opponent and left the game. Not saying GG is just not being unnecessarily polite.
It is impolite
sorry but it is BM if you dont GG after loosing like that...
On November 18 2011 11:30 ItsMeDomLee wrote: Lalush BMs SlayerS haha. Stay classy.
People are crazy if they think not GGing is BM. It would have been BM if he insulted his opponent and left the game. Not saying GG is just not being unnecessarily polite.
Not saying GG is the equivalent of not shaking a team's hand after a basketball game. Maybe for those of you who have never competed at any kind of level of anything it is hard to understand but for those of us who have it isn't.
On November 18 2011 11:30 ItsMeDomLee wrote: Lalush BMs SlayerS haha. Stay classy.
People are crazy if they think not GGing is BM. It would have been BM if he insulted his opponent and left the game. Not saying GG is just not being unnecessarily polite.
Not GG'ing in sc is considered BM Chewi. Its always expected that people will give a congrats of some sort on their loss.
You can call yourself code S level after you earned it. Look at puma amazing as hell but not even Code A, probably because he still has faults such as supply block every few minutes. You can be amazing but it doesn't mean you are strong enough all around to be able to make it into code s.
On November 18 2011 11:32 IOvEggY wrote: Why would they let a top Korean team into the IPL i dont think there is any non korean team that could take them down MAYBE EG and maybe coL if they can use MVP players.
EG lost to Mouz... who lost to Slayers
EG lost to ReIGN actually. It was the first game in team arena ever.
On November 18 2011 11:32 IOvEggY wrote: Why would they let a top Korean team into the IPL i dont think there is any non korean team that could take them down MAYBE EG and maybe coL if they can use MVP players.
EG lost to Mouz... who lost to Slayers
Sc2 math does not work.
EG also lost to Empire in the GCPL and EG master's cup
On November 18 2011 11:32 IOvEggY wrote: Why would they let a top Korean team into the IPL i dont think there is any non korean team that could take them down MAYBE EG and maybe coL if they can use MVP players.
EG lost to Mouz... who lost to Slayers
EG lost to ReIGN actually. It was the first game in team arena ever.
On November 18 2011 11:30 ItsMeDomLee wrote: Lalush BMs SlayerS haha. Stay classy.
People are crazy if they think not GGing is BM. It would have been BM if he insulted his opponent and left the game. Not saying GG is just not being unnecessarily polite.
It is impolite
-.- I don't understand why people say that peopel who are habitually BM are not BM for gg'ing... like Lalush is notorious for bad manner just like IdrA, and its really damn probable that he was not mannered in leaving
On November 18 2011 11:35 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Ah I missed it
What happened? Results and controversy? The OP isn't updated x.x
Stephano lost to Crank who then lost to Adelscott who then lost to Golden who beat everyone else. Mill didn't bother playing the last game and Lalush didn't GG right before the last one.
On November 18 2011 11:30 ItsMeDomLee wrote: Lalush BMs SlayerS haha. Stay classy.
People are crazy if they think not GGing is BM. It would have been BM if he insulted his opponent and left the game. Not saying GG is just not being unnecessarily polite.
This discussion has happened so many times. If a soccer player extends his hand out to a player on the other team, and that player just walks away, that is seen as disrespectful. Sure you can then take your approach and say "LOL ITS JUST A HANDSHAKE COME ON GUYS IT ISN'T A BIG DEAL" but it is seen as disrespectful, and therefore BM.
Ultimately though... people's individual opinions of it doesn't really matter either way.
On November 18 2011 11:32 IOvEggY wrote: Why would they let a top Korean team into the IPL i dont think there is any non korean team that could take them down MAYBE EG and maybe coL if they can use MVP players.
Besides their match against Mouz they've using their B team, though. Their 'strongest' player to appear in this tournament -besides that match- was Alicia, who isn't even Code A anymore.
On November 18 2011 11:31 ch33psh33p wrote: Did HD just call that a build order win for SlayerS?
By any definition, Lalush should've been able to kill a 15 hatch into 16 gas into 16 pool with 1 base bling. Its so far from a build order loss. Its just terrible terrible terrible execution.
I feel that one of the many areas foreigners are generally lacking compared to Koreans is the kill instinct. The straight up "finish him" mentality that foreigners just forsake in place of "oh let's play safe"(Artosis lol). And when it comes to all-in execution that is amplified to a degree that makes it painful to watch. I mean WTF was that?
On November 18 2011 11:33 ninjamyst wrote: just like stephano, the whole team is a fail...
No need to be an ass, and if you think they are "a fail" then what does that make you? Because I can guarantee you they could beat you in a match.
Ninjamyst was being an ass; but your point doesn't really apply either; Ronaldo could kick my ass in a soccer game but you bet i'll be yelling and screaming when he plays like shit. Just because we aren't professional gamers doesn't mean we don't know how professional gamers should perform.
On November 16 2011 12:59 red4ce wrote: The only chance for Slayers to beat Stephano is Ganzi taking him down or one of the zergs getting a lucky BO win. Once/If Stephano loses the rest of Millenium will be a walkover.
rofl no, Stephano is nowhere near the level of the top of Code S yet, please stop overhyping him.
he lost to Boxer ffs, and then to goody. GOODY
finally a post i can agree with. stephanio might be a good player but laddering (on eu of all servers) and weekend cups arent much to go off of.. MLG is the proving grounds for the foreign community and stephanio doesnt have what it takes to compete with the players in pool play(yet?) as we saw in last MLG.
Ok THIS is not true, if Huk has a code S level then Stephano has a code S level, like Idra and Nestea (who's in code A now). The "code S bla bla " means nothing and losing to a guy in bo1 doens't change you level in 1s.
Huk earned his code-s status.. stephanio does not deserve to be called code-s based on a few weekend online cups and laddering.. like i said hes good but performing at important lan events is wat seperates good players from legends.
Where do you come from he just won IPL3 and eswc, 60k$, MKP, MMA, Huk etc... you remember this is not long time ago -_-
Easy there he didn't beat MMA.
be quiet, he beat mma at ipl3 qualifiers
Online qualifiers=lag from Korea...yeah. I mean if we go by that, Adelscott beat MVP, Goody beat Nestea and Cruncher beat MKP. Guess we could consider them Code S too...
I just responded to a guy saying "olol Stephano has no LAN achievement" wich is the wrongest thing ever wrote on TL so far; what can i say if you don't even recognize this -_-
On November 18 2011 11:30 ItsMeDomLee wrote: Lalush BMs SlayerS haha. Stay classy.
People are crazy if they think not GGing is BM. It would have been BM if he insulted his opponent and left the game. Not saying GG is just not being unnecessarily polite.
It is impolite
I could almost hear Lalush say "FUCK THIS" at home after he miscontrolled his banelings and raged and quitted. Yeah, you can feel the anger, but I don't think it's directed at the opponent. I'd rather evaluate it as fustration with himself. If you think about that, I really don't think it's BM. But it isn't polite either. Not GGing is finding that the opponent doesn't deserve the win, and that is quite unrespectful. And that, I think, should bother people. (and yeah, Lalush misclicked, but I don't think he would have misclicked, if there weren't spines and queens blocking and crowding everything.)
On November 18 2011 11:34 Lavi wrote: You can call yourself code S level after you earned it. Look at puma amazing as hell but not even Code A, probably because he still has faults such as supply block every few minutes. You can be amazing but it doesn't mean you are strong enough all around to be able to make it into code s.
This. I've been saying this since forever and nobody gave a shit.
On November 18 2011 11:32 IOvEggY wrote: Why would they let a top Korean team into the IPL i dont think there is any non korean team that could take them down MAYBE EG and maybe coL if they can use MVP players.
Besides their match against Mouz they've using their B team, though. Their 'strongest' player to appear in this tournament -besides that match- was Alicia, who isn't even Code A anymore.
He immediately requalified for Code A. I think he plays this Monday, in fact.
On November 16 2011 12:59 red4ce wrote: The only chance for Slayers to beat Stephano is Ganzi taking him down or one of the zergs getting a lucky BO win. Once/If Stephano loses the rest of Millenium will be a walkover.
rofl no, Stephano is nowhere near the level of the top of Code S yet, please stop overhyping him.
he lost to Boxer ffs, and then to goody. GOODY
finally a post i can agree with. stephanio might be a good player but laddering (on eu of all servers) and weekend cups arent much to go off of.. MLG is the proving grounds for the foreign community and stephanio doesnt have what it takes to compete with the players in pool play(yet?) as we saw in last MLG.
Ok THIS is not true, if Huk has a code S level then Stephano has a code S level, like Idra and Nestea (who's in code A now). The "code S bla bla " means nothing and losing to a guy in bo1 doens't change you level in 1s.
Huk earned his code-s status.. stephanio does not deserve to be called code-s based on a few weekend online cups and laddering.. like i said hes good but performing at important lan events is wat seperates good players from legends.
Where do you come from he just won IPL3 and eswc, 60k$, MKP, MMA, Huk etc... you remember this is not long time ago -_-
Easy there he didn't beat MMA.
be quiet, he beat mma at ipl3 qualifiers
Online qualifiers=lag from Korea...yeah. I mean if we go by that, Adelscott beat MVP, Goody beat Nestea and Cruncher beat MKP. Guess we could consider them Code S too...
I just responded to a guy saying "olol Stephano has no LAN achievement" wich is the wrongest thing ever wrote on TL so far; what can i say if you don't even recognize this -_-
Sorry, quoted the wrong person. Point still stands, online matches from cross server =/= is near impossible to judge for skill
was there ever a forfeit of a game on a team match? WHO DOES THAT? questionable decisions by team managers/coach. horrible line up decision of not having anyone for comeback. and even if you used up your aces, let your players gain some broadcasted game experience even if its going to be a loss.
On November 18 2011 11:32 IOvEggY wrote: Why would they let a top Korean team into the IPL i dont think there is any non korean team that could take them down MAYBE EG and maybe coL if they can use MVP players.
EG lost to Mouz... who lost to Slayers
EG lost to ReIGN actually. It was the first game in team arena ever.
On November 18 2011 11:30 ItsMeDomLee wrote: Lalush BMs SlayerS haha. Stay classy.
People are crazy if they think not GGing is BM. It would have been BM if he insulted his opponent and left the game. Not saying GG is just not being unnecessarily polite.
It is impolite
-.- I don't understand why people say that peopel who are habitually BM are not BM for gg'ing... like Lalush is notorious for bad manner just like IdrA, and its really damn probable that he was not mannered in leaving
If they tend be BM by actually insulting players then just leaving without a GG and nothing else is makes it more probable that he wasn't being BM as his BM usually consists of talking shit.
the question is if they dont have enough players why did they decided to play at the first place. its kind of weird, not proffesional at all, so embarassing. i'd rather being 0-5ed like acer and atn. at least the way they lost is lil bit better
millenium can't get players because they are sleeping? do they even take tournaments seriously? this is disrespecting ipl, sc2, and esports. they should be banned from ipl arena. (not that serious)
On November 18 2011 11:30 ItsMeDomLee wrote: Lalush BMs SlayerS haha. Stay classy.
People are crazy if they think not GGing is BM. It would have been BM if he insulted his opponent and left the game. Not saying GG is just not being unnecessarily polite.
It is impolite
I could almost hear Lalush say "FUCK THIS" at home after he miscontrolled his banelings and raged and quitted. Yeah, you can feel the anger, but I don't think it's directed at the opponent. I'd rather evaluate it as fustration with himself. If you think about that, I really don't think it's BM. But it isn't polite either. Not GGing is finding that the opponent doesn't deserve the win, and that is quite unrespectful. And that, I think, should bother people. (and yeah, Lalush misclicked, but I don't think he would have misclicked, if there weren't spines and queens blocking and crowding everything.)
Players may have gaming sense, but they haven't developed mind reading yet.
On November 16 2011 12:59 red4ce wrote: The only chance for Slayers to beat Stephano is Ganzi taking him down or one of the zergs getting a lucky BO win. Once/If Stephano loses the rest of Millenium will be a walkover.
rofl no, Stephano is nowhere near the level of the top of Code S yet, please stop overhyping him.
he lost to Boxer ffs, and then to goody. GOODY
finally a post i can agree with. stephanio might be a good player but laddering (on eu of all servers) and weekend cups arent much to go off of.. MLG is the proving grounds for the foreign community and stephanio doesnt have what it takes to compete with the players in pool play(yet?) as we saw in last MLG.
Ok THIS is not true, if Huk has a code S level then Stephano has a code S level, like Idra and Nestea (who's in code A now). The "code S bla bla " means nothing and losing to a guy in bo1 doens't change you level in 1s.
Huk earned his code-s status.. stephanio does not deserve to be called code-s based on a few weekend online cups and laddering.. like i said hes good but performing at important lan events is wat seperates good players from legends.
Where do you come from he just won IPL3 and eswc, 60k$, MKP, MMA, Huk etc... you remember this is not long time ago -_-
Easy there he didn't beat MMA.
be quiet, he beat mma at ipl3 qualifiers
Online qualifiers=lag from Korea...yeah. I mean if we go by that, Adelscott beat MVP, Goody beat Nestea and Cruncher beat MKP. Guess we could consider them Code S too...
Also, that was played at 8am in Korea, after MMA had stayed up all night playing the other matches. But, unlike Mill, he didn't go to sleep and forfeit.
On November 18 2011 11:34 Lavi wrote: You can call yourself code S level after you earned it. Look at puma amazing as hell but not even Code A, probably because he still has faults such as supply block every few minutes. You can be amazing but it doesn't mean you are strong enough all around to be able to make it into code s.
It's hard for puma to get into code A when he's not winning MLG or going to the qualifier.
I'm not exactly an EG fan, but Huk/Puma/Idra/Demuslim/Machine would have a pretty decent chance unless SlayerS sends out their absolute top lineup.
But SlayerS is still the HEAVY favorite.
If Slayers only used their B team, I wouldn't say they are HEAVILY favored against a line up of HuK/Puma/Idra/Demuslim/Machine. But at the same time, it still would be very close.
On November 18 2011 11:33 ninjamyst wrote: just like stephano, the whole team is a fail...
No need to be an ass, and if you think they are "a fail" then what does that make you? Because I can guarantee you they could beat you in a match.
what kind of stupid logic is that? of course he can beat me...that's why he's a progamer. but he is still a overhyped failure of a kid with no manners that badly needs a haircut or just a good shampoo
On November 18 2011 11:40 Zalithian wrote: Don't worry guys, the people who don't understand why not saying GG is BM just never played a sport in their lifetime.
Saying GG and not meaning it is worse imo than not saying GG at all. There are also plenty of times in professioanl sports when the players don't go and shake eachothers hands and whatnot. 90% of the time you see MLB players just giving their teammates highfives and then walking off the field, unless they personally know players from the other team and want to have a conversation with them.
On November 18 2011 11:40 Zalithian wrote: Don't worry guys, the people who don't understand why not saying GG is BM just never played a sport in their lifetime.
You must be kidding me. I play competitive soccer at university and if someone is raging or simply walking out frustrated at everyone, not saying GG, that guy would be considered an asshole and wouldn't be playing in future. Sports is all about sportsmanship and bringing out the best of your character.
Everyone have different opinion on "No GG = BM" and you are entitled to yours but don't overgeneralize, makes you sound like an asshole.
On November 18 2011 11:40 Zalithian wrote: Don't worry guys, the people who don't understand why not saying GG is BM just never played a sport in their lifetime.
You must be kidding me. I play competitive soccer at university and if someone is raging or simply walking out frustrated at everyone, not saying GG, that guy would be considered an asshole and wouldn't be playing in future. Sports is all about sportsmanship and bringing out the best of your character.
Everyone have different opinion on "No GG = BM" and you are entitled to yours but don't overgeneralize, makes you sound like an asshole.
I think you misread his post. Anyone who has ever competed in anything worth a damn knows that sportsmanship and etiquette are super important.
On November 18 2011 11:32 IOvEggY wrote: Why would they let a top Korean team into the IPL i dont think there is any non korean team that could take them down MAYBE EG and maybe coL if they can use MVP players.
Besides their match against Mouz they've using their B team, though. Their 'strongest' player to appear in this tournament -besides that match- was Alicia, who isn't even Code A anymore.
Ryung, Puzzle and Coca were fielded against Mouz I believe... damn that was one hell of a match
On November 18 2011 11:40 Zalithian wrote: Don't worry guys, the people who don't understand why not saying GG is BM just never played a sport in their lifetime.
You must be kidding me. I play competitive soccer at university and if someone is raging or simply walking out frustrated at everyone, not saying GG, that guy would be considered an asshole and wouldn't be playing in future. Sports is all about sportsmanship and bringing out the best of your character.
Everyone have different opinion on "No GG = BM" and you are entitled to yours but don't overgeneralize, makes you sound like an asshole.
On November 18 2011 11:33 ninjamyst wrote: just like stephano, the whole team is a fail...
No need to be an ass, and if you think they are "a fail" then what does that make you? Because I can guarantee you they could beat you in a match.
what kind of stupid logic is that? of course he can beat me...that's why he's a progamer. but he is still a overhyped failure of a kid with no manners that badly needs a haircut or just a good shampoo
Overhyped? Maybe. Failure of a kid with no manners? Hardly, I don't recall ever seeing stephano being BM. Even if he is expected to be better than you, it is just weird you calling him out when he is most likely 10x better than you.
On November 18 2011 11:40 Zalithian wrote: Don't worry guys, the people who don't understand why not saying GG is BM just never played a sport in their lifetime.
Saying GG and not meaning it is worse imo than not saying GG at all. There are also plenty of times in professioanl sports when the players don't go and shake eachothers hands and whatnot. 90% of the time you see MLB players just giving their teammates highfives and then walking off the field, unless they personally know players from the other team and want to have a conversation with them.
If at a high-level football/soccer/basketball game and the opposing player just walks off after the game without the handshake, let's see how the press reacts to that. Imagine Kobe just walking off after a loss. I don't there's going to be many people saying "There's nothing wrong with that."
On November 18 2011 11:40 Zalithian wrote: Don't worry guys, the people who don't understand why not saying GG is BM just never played a sport in their lifetime.
Saying GG and not meaning it is worse imo than not saying GG at all. There are also plenty of times in professioanl sports when the players don't go and shake eachothers hands and whatnot. 90% of the time you see MLB players just giving their teammates highfives and then walking off the field, unless they personally know players from the other team and want to have a conversation with them.
If at a high-level football/soccer/basketball game and the opposing player just walks off after the game without the handshake, let's see how the press reacts to that. Imagine Kobe just walking off after a loss. I don't there's going to be many people saying "There's nothing wrong with that."
Hilarious that the person you quoted uses MLB teams as a 'good' example of not having to show sportsmanship when nearly every other sport in the world at least has teams shake hands after a match.
On November 18 2011 11:40 Zalithian wrote: Don't worry guys, the people who don't understand why not saying GG is BM just never played a sport in their lifetime.
Saying GG and not meaning it is worse imo than not saying GG at all. There are also plenty of times in professioanl sports when the players don't go and shake eachothers hands and whatnot. 90% of the time you see MLB players just giving their teammates highfives and then walking off the field, unless they personally know players from the other team and want to have a conversation with them.
If at a high-level football/soccer/basketball game and the opposing player just walks off after the game without the handshake, let's see how the press reacts to that. Imagine Kobe just walking off after a loss. I don't there's going to be many people saying "There's nothing wrong with that."
Hilarious that the person you quoted uses MLB teams as a 'good' example of not having to show sportsmanship when nearly every other sport in the world at least has teams shake hands after a match.
On November 18 2011 11:40 Zalithian wrote: Don't worry guys, the people who don't understand why not saying GG is BM just never played a sport in their lifetime.
Saying GG and not meaning it is worse imo than not saying GG at all. There are also plenty of times in professioanl sports when the players don't go and shake eachothers hands and whatnot. 90% of the time you see MLB players just giving their teammates highfives and then walking off the field, unless they personally know players from the other team and want to have a conversation with them.
If at a high-level football/soccer/basketball game and the opposing player just walks off after the game without the handshake, let's see how the press reacts to that. Imagine Kobe just walking off after a loss. I don't there's going to be many people saying "There's nothing wrong with that."
Hilarious that the person you quoted uses MLB teams as a 'good' example of not having to show sportsmanship when nearly every other sport in the world at least has teams shake hands after a match.
Too be fair, MLB has batters charging the mound occasionally. And lots of arguing with the umps =P But yeah I agree
I'm not exactly an EG fan, but Huk/Puma/Idra/Demuslim/Machine would have a pretty decent chance unless SlayerS sends out their absolute top lineup.
But SlayerS is still the HEAVY favorite.
They're definitely the better team and they have much more depth, but I think quite a few factors would be in EG's favour right now. The winner's league format definitely suits them as their top 3 players (or top 4 if you include Demuslim) are leagues better than the rest of their lineup. Idra's ZvT strength and ZvP weakness would work in their favour as Slayers is extremely Terran-heavy and their only top Protoss right now is Puzzle. None of the Slayers terrans are really known for their TvP and Huk has decent chances vs almost all of them. Coca's one of the players that I would consider a heavy favourite vs EG's entire lineup, but he won't be used in the near future.
That said, of course a lineup like MMA, Taeja, Ganzi, Ryung and Puzzle would be pretty heavily favoured over the 3 EG players that have decent chances of taking games off them, but if Slayers fielded some of their b-teamers first, I could very well see EG snatching a win from them.
On November 18 2011 11:34 Lavi wrote: You can call yourself code S level after you earned it. Look at puma amazing as hell but not even Code A, probably because he still has faults such as supply block every few minutes. You can be amazing but it doesn't mean you are strong enough all around to be able to make it into code s.
It's hard for puma to get into code A when he's not winning MLG or going to the qualifier.
He did go to the qualifier, and he lost in the first round.
On November 18 2011 11:34 Lavi wrote: You can call yourself code S level after you earned it. Look at puma amazing as hell but not even Code A, probably because he still has faults such as supply block every few minutes. You can be amazing but it doesn't mean you are strong enough all around to be able to make it into code s.
It's hard for puma to get into code A when he's not winning MLG or going to the qualifier.
He did go to the qualifier, and he lost in the first round.
Ya against a zerg named life who then lost to byun lol.
On November 18 2011 11:40 Zalithian wrote: Don't worry guys, the people who don't understand why not saying GG is BM just never played a sport in their lifetime.
Saying GG and not meaning it is worse imo than not saying GG at all. There are also plenty of times in professioanl sports when the players don't go and shake eachothers hands and whatnot. 90% of the time you see MLB players just giving their teammates highfives and then walking off the field, unless they personally know players from the other team and want to have a conversation with them.
If at a high-level football/soccer/basketball game and the opposing player just walks off after the game without the handshake, let's see how the press reacts to that. Imagine Kobe just walking off after a loss. I don't there's going to be many people saying "There's nothing wrong with that."
Hilarious that the person you quoted uses MLB teams as a 'good' example of not having to show sportsmanship when nearly every other sport in the world at least has teams shake hands after a match.
True, MLB might not be like the rest. But it depends on the context. If the majority of people don't GG, then it's not really a custom anymore. Just like the person I quoted said that in MLB players don't always shake hands/congratulate each other. But since most people agree that GG is the polite thing to do, that's what the accepted notion is.
On November 18 2011 11:34 Lavi wrote: You can call yourself code S level after you earned it. Look at puma amazing as hell but not even Code A, probably because he still has faults such as supply block every few minutes. You can be amazing but it doesn't mean you are strong enough all around to be able to make it into code s.
It's hard for puma to get into code A when he's not winning MLG or going to the qualifier.
He did go to the qualifier, and he lost in the first round.
Ya against a zerg named life who then lost to byun lol.
I didn't follow the qualifiers this season, but I assume this is zenexlife, who was chosen by zenex to play in the team ace invitational and is constantly at the top of the Korean ladder. Definitely not embarrassing for Puma to lose to a player like that in his worst matchup.
On November 18 2011 11:40 Zalithian wrote: Don't worry guys, the people who don't understand why not saying GG is BM just never played a sport in their lifetime.
Saying GG and not meaning it is worse imo than not saying GG at all. There are also plenty of times in professioanl sports when the players don't go and shake eachothers hands and whatnot. 90% of the time you see MLB players just giving their teammates highfives and then walking off the field, unless they personally know players from the other team and want to have a conversation with them.
If at a high-level football/soccer/basketball game and the opposing player just walks off after the game without the handshake, let's see how the press reacts to that. Imagine Kobe just walking off after a loss. I don't there's going to be many people saying "There's nothing wrong with that."
Hilarious that the person you quoted uses MLB teams as a 'good' example of not having to show sportsmanship when nearly every other sport in the world at least has teams shake hands after a match.
Too be fair, MLB has batters charging the mound occasionally. And lots of arguing with the umps =P But yeah I agree
Yeah because you NEVER hear or see players/fans getting into fights during football, soccer, or basketball games....
Edit: And then there is hockey where it's almost like the players are encouraged to fight..
On November 18 2011 11:34 Lavi wrote: You can call yourself code S level after you earned it. Look at puma amazing as hell but not even Code A, probably because he still has faults such as supply block every few minutes. You can be amazing but it doesn't mean you are strong enough all around to be able to make it into code s.
It's hard for puma to get into code A when he's not winning MLG or going to the qualifier.
He did go to the qualifier, and he lost in the first round.
Ya against a zerg named life who then lost to byun lol.
Actually, Puma didn't get to play because he was disqualified for being late.
On November 18 2011 11:40 Zalithian wrote: Don't worry guys, the people who don't understand why not saying GG is BM just never played a sport in their lifetime.
Saying GG and not meaning it is worse imo than not saying GG at all. There are also plenty of times in professioanl sports when the players don't go and shake eachothers hands and whatnot. 90% of the time you see MLB players just giving their teammates highfives and then walking off the field, unless they personally know players from the other team and want to have a conversation with them.
If at a high-level football/soccer/basketball game and the opposing player just walks off after the game without the handshake, let's see how the press reacts to that. Imagine Kobe just walking off after a loss. I don't there's going to be many people saying "There's nothing wrong with that."
Hilarious that the person you quoted uses MLB teams as a 'good' example of not having to show sportsmanship when nearly every other sport in the world at least has teams shake hands after a match.
Too be fair, MLB has batters charging the mound occasionally. And lots of arguing with the umps =P But yeah I agree
Yeah because you NEVER hear or see players/fans getting into fights during football, soccer, or basketball games....
Quite a bit more sparse in basketball and football. Although soccer can get quite hectic as well. And this isn't something in-game we're talking about. It's what happens after the game. There's just different expectations for each sport I guess.
On November 18 2011 11:34 Lavi wrote: You can call yourself code S level after you earned it. Look at puma amazing as hell but not even Code A, probably because he still has faults such as supply block every few minutes. You can be amazing but it doesn't mean you are strong enough all around to be able to make it into code s.
It's hard for puma to get into code A when he's not winning MLG or going to the qualifier.
He did go to the qualifier, and he lost in the first round.
Ya against a zerg named life who then lost to byun lol.
I didn't follow the qualifiers this season, but I assume this is zenexlife, who was chosen by zenex to play in the team ace invitational and is constantly at the top of the Korean ladder. Definitely not embarrassing for Puma to lose to a player like that in his worst matchup.
On November 18 2011 11:40 Zalithian wrote: Don't worry guys, the people who don't understand why not saying GG is BM just never played a sport in their lifetime.
Saying GG and not meaning it is worse imo than not saying GG at all. There are also plenty of times in professioanl sports when the players don't go and shake eachothers hands and whatnot. 90% of the time you see MLB players just giving their teammates highfives and then walking off the field, unless they personally know players from the other team and want to have a conversation with them.
If at a high-level football/soccer/basketball game and the opposing player just walks off after the game without the handshake, let's see how the press reacts to that. Imagine Kobe just walking off after a loss. I don't there's going to be many people saying "There's nothing wrong with that."
Hilarious that the person you quoted uses MLB teams as a 'good' example of not having to show sportsmanship when nearly every other sport in the world at least has teams shake hands after a match.
Too be fair, MLB has batters charging the mound occasionally. And lots of arguing with the umps =P But yeah I agree
Yeah because you NEVER hear or see players/fans getting into fights during football, soccer, or basketball games....
Well yeah. All sports have their share of "bm". Personally I see a lot more of it on average in baseball, but whatever. Yay for re-streams -.-
wow...so their players were sleeping? no respect for contracts and now no respect to the game that they base their careers on. quite plain to see now that stephano belongs with this organization.
You can tell that SlayerS only respects mouz of all the teams they've played in IPL team arena because it's the only team that they used their A-team players against.
Yeah, I don't think any foreign team can take down SlayerS at this point. Not even EG. Idra is good, but SlayerS T is awesome against Z, Puma can't even make code A and Huk is good but not beat all of SlayerS good. The rest of the team is rather unremarkable.
I don't see a foreign team taking the hill for a long time.
Why is everyone bashing Lalush for not typing gg, when their team didnt even care to finish the last match. I think forfeiting the last match [for no reason] is way more bm than not typing gg.
We tried to schedule to play this during the day time thursday and friday. But I had exams and afaik diestar had school too. The match had to be played though, so it ended up being scheduled to start around midnight for us (no excuses about that though). Also, you need to realize we're spread very thin player wise at the moment. Tarson is currently not active and Feast was just acquired like two days prior to this clan war. One player having other commitments was enough to spoil a scheduling attempt. And if something unforseen were to happen during a match we didn't really have a healthy pool of replacement players to pick from.
I'd like to continue listing further arguments, but probably best if I just cut this short. Of course we should have showed up with a full team. And it was our honest intention to do so. However, we were barely a full team by this point as it were. Furthermore it was midnight, and then that unforseen thing happened. Wasn't intentional or meant to be disrespectful. Just something that happens sometimes, and something we weren't able to sort out since we're spread very thin at the moment.
On November 18 2011 12:24 LaLuSh wrote: We tried to schedule to play this during the day time thursday and friday. But I had exams and afaik diestar had school too. The match had to be played though, so it ended up being scheduled to start around midnight for us (no excuses about that though). Also, you need to realize we're spread very thin player wise at the moment. Tarson is currently not active and Feast was just acquired like two days prior to this clan war. One player having other commitments was enough to spoil a scheduling attempt. And if something unforseen were to happen during a match we didn't really have a healthy pool of replacement players to pick from.
I'd like to continue listing further arguments, but probably best if I just cut this short. Of course we should have showed up with a full team. And it was our honest intention to do so. However, we were barely a full team by this point as it were. Furthermore it was midnight, and then that unforseen thing happened. Wasn't intentional or meant to be disrespectful. Just something that happens sometimes, and something we weren't able to sort out since we're spread very thin at the moment.
You guys were playing a team that kicked a player from the team house, denied him from going to future tournaments and made him drop his Code S spot, all because he forfeited a match.
How do you think your and your team's shananigans will be seen by them? I would guess less than pleased.
On November 18 2011 11:32 IOvEggY wrote: Why would they let a top Korean team into the IPL i dont think there is any non korean team that could take them down MAYBE EG and maybe coL if they can use MVP players.
EG lost to Mouz... who lost to Slayers
Sc2 math does not work.
I don't have a huge problem with that type of "math"; however, it's not much to pin anything on, as you can always find a way to make a rock, paper, scissors scenario.
The truly silly thing is the idea that other teams should just give up trying to knock off SlayerS, although I'll be cheering for SlayerS. The pros of all people are generally the ones looking to challenge themselves.
On the other hand, it may be time to find another Korean team to challenge SlayerS, after they've tried (for example) sending Empire against SlayerS.
On November 18 2011 12:24 LaLuSh wrote: We tried to schedule to play this during the day time thursday and friday. But I had exams and afaik diestar had school too. The match had to be played though, so it ended up being scheduled to start around midnight for us (no excuses about that though). Also, you need to realize we're spread very thin player wise at the moment. Tarson is currently not active and Feast was just acquired like two days prior to this clan war. One player having other commitments was enough to spoil a scheduling attempt. And if something unforseen were to happen during a match we didn't really have a healthy pool of replacement players to pick from.
I'd like to continue listing further arguments, but probably best if I just cut this short. Of course we should have showed up with a full team. And it was our honest intention to do so. However, we were barely a full team by this point as it were. Furthermore it was midnight, and then that unforseen thing happened. Wasn't intentional or meant to be disrespectful. Just something that happens sometimes, and something we weren't able to sort out since we're spread very thin at the moment.
You guys were playing a team that kicked a player from the team house, denied him from going to future tournaments and made him drop his Code S spot, all because he forfeited a match.
How do you think your and your team's shananigans will be seen by them? I would guess less than pleased.
I think they're more interested in their own priorities over what SlayerS opinion of their team is.
These things happen, fnatic have done it regularly in team leagues. Obviously you want your full squad but sometimes it's just not possible.
You should have played BW if you think this is bad. Nearly every team/clan struggled to get a team together for a clan war.
On November 18 2011 12:24 LaLuSh wrote: We tried to schedule to play this during the day time thursday and friday. But I had exams and afaik diestar had school too. The match had to be played though, so it ended up being scheduled to start around midnight for us (no excuses about that though). Also, you need to realize we're spread very thin player wise at the moment. Tarson is currently not active and Feast was just acquired like two days prior to this clan war. One player having other commitments was enough to spoil a scheduling attempt. And if something unforseen were to happen during a match we didn't really have a healthy pool of replacement players to pick from.
I'd like to continue listing further arguments, but probably best if I just cut this short. Of course we should have showed up with a full team. And it was our honest intention to do so. However, we were barely a full team by this point as it were. Furthermore it was midnight, and then that unforseen thing happened. Wasn't intentional or meant to be disrespectful. Just something that happens sometimes, and something we weren't able to sort out since we're spread very thin at the moment.
You guys were playing a team that kicked a player from the team house, denied him from going to future tournaments and made him drop his Code S spot, all because he forfeited a match.
How do you think your and your team's shananigans will be seen by them? I would guess less than pleased.
This. They probably didn't care much, but it also probably didn't really reflect well on Mill as far as professionalism is concerned. Was there any communication between the two teams about not having a fifth, or as soon as your game was over was it simply "well, that's about all, sorry!"
Furthermore, was there a reason you left without showing appropriate sportsmanship? Is it your gimmick to not care/BM nerds, or did you really feel like Golden was just lucky and deserved to be called out?
Results wise it wouldn't have mattered for millenium since stephano lost anyways and i don't see anyone on millenium being able to take down players like lots and brown.
But gives a bad impression on the professionalism of foreign teams to korean teams.
On November 18 2011 12:36 Moralez wrote: Stephano lost to who guys? thx.
SlayerS Crank
lol what the hell what race is that guy ? O_o did he won a single game? ( steph )
He's protoss, and he's been on quite a tear recently. Taking 3rd in the IPL UK qualifiers #2 losing only to SlayerS_Ryung who took first, and took 2nd in the past two korean weeklys. O_O We got to watch him play live earlier today on Min's stream. He is really, really sick.
Slayers Crank got 2nd in the korean weekly invitational 2 times in a row, the guy is an upcoming protoss and has some pretty solid pvt. Gratz to Slayers, wish there was better planning from millenium's side.
On November 18 2011 12:24 LaLuSh wrote: We tried to schedule to play this during the day time thursday and friday. But I had exams and afaik diestar had school too. The match had to be played though, so it ended up being scheduled to start around midnight for us (no excuses about that though). Also, you need to realize we're spread very thin player wise at the moment. Tarson is currently not active and Feast was just acquired like two days prior to this clan war. One player having other commitments was enough to spoil a scheduling attempt. And if something unforseen were to happen during a match we didn't really have a healthy pool of replacement players to pick from.
I'd like to continue listing further arguments, but probably best if I just cut this short. Of course we should have showed up with a full team. And it was our honest intention to do so. However, we were barely a full team by this point as it were. Furthermore it was midnight, and then that unforseen thing happened. Wasn't intentional or meant to be disrespectful. Just something that happens sometimes, and something we weren't able to sort out since we're spread very thin at the moment.
You guys were playing a team that kicked a player from the team house, denied him from going to future tournaments and made him drop his Code S spot, all because he forfeited a match.
How do you think your and your team's shananigans will be seen by them? I would guess less than pleased.
There's a huge difference between leaving when you're winning and forfeiting a match because you don't enough players.
I don't even think SlayerS cares. They won, they'll get their money and this isn't nearly as serious as something like gstl or proleague.
On November 18 2011 12:42 iNcontroL wrote: Sounds like millennium shouldn't have accepted to play. Also, lalush why no gg in invitational match? Even idra would gg There
GL at MLG! You aren't going to drop out if you have to play to late are you?
On November 18 2011 12:42 iNcontroL wrote: Sounds like millennium shouldn't have accepted to play. Also, lalush why no gg in invitational match? Even idra would gg There
GL at MLG! You aren't going to drop out if you have to play to late are you?
LOL he isn't going to have to play late. You have to win to keep playing.
Furthermore, was there a reason you left without showing appropriate sportsmanship? Is it your gimmick to not care/BM nerds, or did you really feel like Golden was just lucky and deserved to be called out?[/QUOTE]
Haha, I don't think lalush left so abrubtly because he thought Golden was a bad player. Lalush literally exploded all of his banelings except one on a queen and took about 25% hp from that queen... it was a cringe worthy blunder and he was probably embarrassed at himself, not that he felt Golden was 'sub-par and got lucky'.
On November 18 2011 12:24 LaLuSh wrote: We tried to schedule to play this during the day time thursday and friday. But I had exams and afaik diestar had school too. The match had to be played though, so it ended up being scheduled to start around midnight for us (no excuses about that though). Also, you need to realize we're spread very thin player wise at the moment. Tarson is currently not active and Feast was just acquired like two days prior to this clan war. One player having other commitments was enough to spoil a scheduling attempt. And if something unforseen were to happen during a match we didn't really have a healthy pool of replacement players to pick from.
I'd like to continue listing further arguments, but probably best if I just cut this short. Of course we should have showed up with a full team. And it was our honest intention to do so. However, we were barely a full team by this point as it were. Furthermore it was midnight, and then that unforseen thing happened. Wasn't intentional or meant to be disrespectful. Just something that happens sometimes, and something we weren't able to sort out since we're spread very thin at the moment.
You guys were playing a team that kicked a player from the team house, denied him from going to future tournaments and made him drop his Code S spot, all because he forfeited a match.
How do you think your and your team's shananigans will be seen by them? I would guess less than pleased.
I think they're more interested in their own priorities over what SlayerS opinion of their team is.
These things happen, fnatic have done it regularly in team leagues. Obviously you want your full squad but sometimes it's just not possible.
You should have played BW if you think this is bad. Nearly every team/clan struggled to get a team together for a clan war.
Yea, let's bm the heavyweights of the SC2 scene, what a brillant business plan.
Ruining a player's career for a lapse of judgment(Slayers) is bad, but this is just as awful. Very dissapointed.
Look, there must have been a moment where the team had to confirm its presence to the fine IPL crew, and the answer certainly was "yes, we are going to play and we got enough members". RIGHT?
If so, then why did this happen? 4 out of 7? Are you serious? Why not act like a pro, just giving other teams a chance instead of wasting everyone's time?
What becomes of the hard work from the IPL staff? And the Slayers team? And the viewers? Did you catch the last moments of the cast, when CatsPajamas and HD were obviously baffled and trying hard to calm down the viewers, who were going apeshit in the chat? Is all that just worth nothing? Should we just shrug it off?
Not even a official statement? All we get is a TL forum post by Lalush, listing every conceivable excuse there is? At least he apologiz... oh wait, there is not 1 instance of "sorry" in that post.
I'm not saying you should be prosecuted or suffer anything like that, but if we all agree that what Slayers did to Coca was too extreme, I think we would also agree that what Millenium is showing us now is the opposite extreme. God why there can't be a middle road? I mean, between crucifying a player for lack profissionalism and not giving a shit to profissionalism has to be something right? How about being somewhat responsible, issuing official statements and apologies for fuckups? Accept criticisms and do something about your own player if he acts like a douche in a goddamn international tournament? Am I being too unreasonable here?
On November 18 2011 12:24 LaLuSh wrote: We tried to schedule to play this during the day time thursday and friday. But I had exams and afaik diestar had school too. The match had to be played though, so it ended up being scheduled to start around midnight for us (no excuses about that though). Also, you need to realize we're spread very thin player wise at the moment. Tarson is currently not active and Feast was just acquired like two days prior to this clan war. One player having other commitments was enough to spoil a scheduling attempt. And if something unforseen were to happen during a match we didn't really have a healthy pool of replacement players to pick from.
I'd like to continue listing further arguments, but probably best if I just cut this short. Of course we should have showed up with a full team. And it was our honest intention to do so. However, we were barely a full team by this point as it were. Furthermore it was midnight, and then that unforseen thing happened. Wasn't intentional or meant to be disrespectful. Just something that happens sometimes, and something we weren't able to sort out since we're spread very thin at the moment.
You guys were playing a team that kicked a player from the team house, denied him from going to future tournaments and made him drop his Code S spot, all because he forfeited a match.
How do you think your and your team's shananigans will be seen by them? I would guess less than pleased.
There's a huge difference between leaving when you're winning and forfeiting a match because you don't enough players.
I don't even think SlayerS cares. They won, they'll get their money and this isn't nearly as serious as something like gstl or proleague.
Lemme recall what happened last week... oh yea, now I remember. aTn was lacking a player but since they somewhat care about the viewers and stuff, they called Goody to step in.
About Slayers not caring about profissionalism in e-sports, be it on small or large events: this past week tells me they somewhat do.
On November 18 2011 12:24 LaLuSh wrote: We tried to schedule to play this during the day time thursday and friday. But I had exams and afaik diestar had school too. The match had to be played though, so it ended up being scheduled to start around midnight for us (no excuses about that though). Also, you need to realize we're spread very thin player wise at the moment. Tarson is currently not active and Feast was just acquired like two days prior to this clan war. One player having other commitments was enough to spoil a scheduling attempt. And if something unforseen were to happen during a match we didn't really have a healthy pool of replacement players to pick from.
I'd like to continue listing further arguments, but probably best if I just cut this short. Of course we should have showed up with a full team. And it was our honest intention to do so. However, we were barely a full team by this point as it were. Furthermore it was midnight, and then that unforseen thing happened. Wasn't intentional or meant to be disrespectful. Just something that happens sometimes, and something we weren't able to sort out since we're spread very thin at the moment.
Why are you trying to make so many lame excuses? Honestly, saying these sort of things never helps to improve one's image. You are much better off accepting your follies and going on with your life.
Also I don't know where you live, but I'll assume France or somewhere in the same timezone. Midnight for you is 8am in Korea, which could be just as unreasonable for them.
You lost to arguably the best team in Korea, I don't think anyone in their right mind actually thought Mill stood a chance.
Also, hopefully this settles down some of the massive Stephano over-hyping. Could really do with less of that zealotry everywhere.
Knowing that the games would be casted from replays, I held on to a glimmer of hope that maybe, just maybe, Slayers had played Coca before the "incident", and I would get to see him play just for one more time...Alas
On November 18 2011 12:42 iNcontroL wrote: Sounds like millennium shouldn't have accepted to play. Also, lalush why no gg in invitational match? Even idra would gg There
GL at MLG! You aren't going to drop out if you have to play to late are you?
LOL he isn't going to have to play late. You have to win to keep playing.
Yah BM one of the nicer and more vocal sc2 players out there. Someone who has already done more for E-sports then 99% of anyone connected in some manner,whether it is a fan or a player.
On November 18 2011 12:42 iNcontroL wrote: Sounds like millennium shouldn't have accepted to play. Also, lalush why no gg in invitational match? Even idra would gg There
On November 18 2011 12:42 iNcontroL wrote: Sounds like millennium shouldn't have accepted to play. Also, lalush why no gg in invitational match? Even idra would gg There
Why don't you win a match at MLG?
Why do you have to be a dick? He's won matches in MLG before afaik, maybe just not group stages.
On November 18 2011 12:42 iNcontroL wrote: Sounds like millennium shouldn't have accepted to play. Also, lalush why no gg in invitational match? Even idra would gg There
Why don't you win a match at MLG?
Who are you again? Oh, no one knows. Incontrol is a much better player than you, in all likely-hood. He is also an esteemed member of this forum. Next time check to see if you're on Youtube before you hit the "post" button. Thanks.
On November 18 2011 12:24 LaLuSh wrote: We tried to schedule to play this during the day time thursday and friday. But I had exams and afaik diestar had school too. The match had to be played though, so it ended up being scheduled to start around midnight for us (no excuses about that though). Also, you need to realize we're spread very thin player wise at the moment. Tarson is currently not active and Feast was just acquired like two days prior to this clan war. One player having other commitments was enough to spoil a scheduling attempt. And if something unforseen were to happen during a match we didn't really have a healthy pool of replacement players to pick from.
I'd like to continue listing further arguments, but probably best if I just cut this short. Of course we should have showed up with a full team. And it was our honest intention to do so. However, we were barely a full team by this point as it were. Furthermore it was midnight, and then that unforseen thing happened. Wasn't intentional or meant to be disrespectful. Just something that happens sometimes, and something we weren't able to sort out since we're spread very thin at the moment.
Why are you trying to make so many lame excuses? Honestly, saying these sort of things never helps to improve one's image. You are much better off accepting your follies and going on with your life.
Also I don't know where you live, but I'll assume France or somewhere in the same timezone. Midnight for you is 8am in Korea, which could be just as unreasonable for them.
You lost to arguably the best team in Korea, I don't think anyone in their right mind actually thought Mill stood a chance.
Also, hopefully this settles down some of the massive Stephano over-hyping. Could really do with less of that zealotry everywhere.
* SlayerS was playing for the show and they won. * Curiously Adelscott was the only play in [M] to win a game. It was a PvP * Lalush left a game without gg. * Millenium couldn't field their last player and had to forfeit. Lalush explained clearly the reasons
That's from the good part. Now the bad part :
* You can troll people and insult them as long as these are french, god forbid you, do NOT do the same with the mighty USA. * Our fellow US friends think their own moral value are the value that the world should respect. * People are getting all stinky and arrogant and insults each other. * Nobody is going to get banned.
Some might say, there is a strong bias towards a certain attitude ...
On November 18 2011 12:42 iNcontroL wrote: Sounds like millennium shouldn't have accepted to play. Also, lalush why no gg in invitational match? Even idra would gg There
Why don't you win a match at MLG?
Who are you again? Oh, no one knows. Incontrol is a much better player than you, in all likely-hood. He is also an esteemed member of this forum. Next time check to see if you're on Youtube before you hit the "post" button. Thanks.
I'll bo7 him anytime. Beaten him on ladder, he's not that good...
On November 18 2011 12:42 iNcontroL wrote: Sounds like millennium shouldn't have accepted to play. Also, lalush why no gg in invitational match? Even idra would gg There
Why don't you win a match at MLG?
Who are you again? Oh, no one knows. Incontrol is a much better player than you, in all likely-hood. He is also an esteemed member of this forum. Next time check to see if you're on Youtube before you hit the "post" button. Thanks.
I'll bo7 him anytime. Beaten him on ladder, he's not that good...
And you'd likely be stomped worse than him against the top tier people he is playing so bragging about that is just stupid. I beat Vibe once and I don't go bragging to everyone and trolling pro's.
On November 18 2011 15:14 Otolia wrote: What I learned from that thread :
* SlayerS was playing for the show and they won. * Curiously Adelscott was the only play in [M] to win a game. It was a PvP * Lalush left a game without gg. * Millenium couldn't field their last player and had to forfeit. Lalush explained clearly the reasons
That's from the good part. Now the bad part :
* You can troll people and insult them as long as these are french, god forbid you, do NOT do the same with the mighty USA. * Our fellow US friends think their own moral value are the value that the world should respect. * People are getting all stinky and arrogant and insults each other. * Nobody is going to get banned.
Some might say, there is a strong bias towards a certain attitude ...
You are delusional. EG is an American team and gets shit all the time for its slip ups. Incontrol got more insults in this thread than LaLush, stop playing the victim already its annoying. Mill just continues to show a generic attitude of "we don't really care that much" when it comes to professionalism and it looks really bad. Those are terrible reasons for not finishing a show match your team agreed to play in advance and knew exactly what time it would be.
My faith in Stephano anti-faith in SlayerS has failed me T_T. Foreigners losing to yet another B teamer. And this time by someone who I haven't even heard of. Guess I should be glad I had to work the late shift today.
On November 18 2011 12:24 LaLuSh wrote: We tried to schedule to play this during the day time thursday and friday. But I had exams and afaik diestar had school too. The match had to be played though, so it ended up being scheduled to start around midnight for us (no excuses about that though). Also, you need to realize we're spread very thin player wise at the moment. Tarson is currently not active and Feast was just acquired like two days prior to this clan war. One player having other commitments was enough to spoil a scheduling attempt. And if something unforseen were to happen during a match we didn't really have a healthy pool of replacement players to pick from.
I'd like to continue listing further arguments, but probably best if I just cut this short. Of course we should have showed up with a full team. And it was our honest intention to do so. However, we were barely a full team by this point as it were. Furthermore it was midnight, and then that unforseen thing happened. Wasn't intentional or meant to be disrespectful. Just something that happens sometimes, and something we weren't able to sort out since we're spread very thin at the moment.
You guys were playing a team that kicked a player from the team house, denied him from going to future tournaments and made him drop his Code S spot, all because he forfeited a match.
How do you think your and your team's shananigans will be seen by them? I would guess less than pleased.
I think they're more interested in their own priorities over what SlayerS opinion of their team is.
These things happen, fnatic have done it regularly in team leagues. Obviously you want your full squad but sometimes it's just not possible.
You should have played BW if you think this is bad. Nearly every team/clan struggled to get a team together for a clan war.
Yea, let's bm the heavyweights of the SC2 scene, what a brillant business plan.
Ruining a player's career for a lapse of judgment(Slayers) is bad, but this is just as awful. Very dissapointed.
Look, there must have been a moment where the team had to confirm its presence to the fine IPL crew, and the answer certainly was "yes, we are going to play and we got enough members". RIGHT?
If so, then why did this happen? 4 out of 7? Are you serious? Why not act like a pro, just giving other teams a chance instead of wasting everyone's time?
What becomes of the hard work from the IPL staff? And the Slayers team? And the viewers? Did you catch the last moments of the cast, when CatsPajamas and HD were obviously baffled and trying hard to calm down the viewers, who were going apeshit in the chat? Is all that just worth nothing? Should we just shrug it off?
Not even a official statement? All we get is a TL forum post by Lalush, listing every conceivable excuse there is? At least he apologiz... oh wait, there is not 1 instance of "sorry" in that post.
I'm not saying you should be prosecuted or suffer anything like that, but if we all agree that what Slayers did to Coca was too extreme, I think we would also agree that what Millenium is showing us now is the opposite extreme. God why there can't be a middle road? I mean, between crucifying a player for lack profissionalism and not giving a shit to profissionalism has to be something right? How about being somewhat responsible, issuing official statements and apologies for fuckups? Accept criticisms and do something about your own player if he acts like a douche in a goddamn international tournament? Am I being too unreasonable here?
On November 18 2011 12:24 LaLuSh wrote: We tried to schedule to play this during the day time thursday and friday. But I had exams and afaik diestar had school too. The match had to be played though, so it ended up being scheduled to start around midnight for us (no excuses about that though). Also, you need to realize we're spread very thin player wise at the moment. Tarson is currently not active and Feast was just acquired like two days prior to this clan war. One player having other commitments was enough to spoil a scheduling attempt. And if something unforseen were to happen during a match we didn't really have a healthy pool of replacement players to pick from.
I'd like to continue listing further arguments, but probably best if I just cut this short. Of course we should have showed up with a full team. And it was our honest intention to do so. However, we were barely a full team by this point as it were. Furthermore it was midnight, and then that unforseen thing happened. Wasn't intentional or meant to be disrespectful. Just something that happens sometimes, and something we weren't able to sort out since we're spread very thin at the moment.
You guys were playing a team that kicked a player from the team house, denied him from going to future tournaments and made him drop his Code S spot, all because he forfeited a match.
How do you think your and your team's shananigans will be seen by them? I would guess less than pleased.
There's a huge difference between leaving when you're winning and forfeiting a match because you don't enough players.
I don't even think SlayerS cares. They won, they'll get their money and this isn't nearly as serious as something like gstl or proleague.
Lemme recall what happened last week... oh yea, now I remember. aTn was lacking a player but since they somewhat care about the viewers and stuff, they called Goody to step in.
About Slayers not caring about profissionalism in e-sports, be it on small or large events: this past week tells me they somewhat do.
I think the reason you seems a bit upset by this is the apparent lack of respect that Mill had for the viewers and Slayers time.
To me it all comes down to priorities. To the Mill players school takes precedence over Starcraft, which is respectable, and something their sponsors seems to support. Even college athlete's are held responsible for their grades and have to maintain a certain level GPA in order to play.
As for IPL, you could fault them for not being strict enough on Mill and enforcing a strict schedule for the games, but if that were to happen some of the smaller teams that we have gotten to see play (Acer is the only "smaller" team that comes to mind off the top of the head) would make it harder for them to attend, making it harder to see the variety of teams and player we currently enjoy now.
It seems to me like an unfortunate series of events. Nothing more, nothing less.
On November 18 2011 12:42 iNcontroL wrote: Sounds like millennium shouldn't have accepted to play. Also, lalush why no gg in invitational match? Even idra would gg There
Why don't you win a match at MLG?
Who are you again? Oh, no one knows. Incontrol is a much better player than you, in all likely-hood. He is also an esteemed member of this forum. Next time check to see if you're on Youtube before you hit the "post" button. Thanks.
Minions to the rescue. -_-
Unfortunate turn of events tonight. I really love both teams so I'm trying to suspend judgement but it definitely seems like it could have been handled better by Mill.
Ah well. IPL is amazing, thanks for putting on these wonderful events.
On November 18 2011 15:37 Snorkle wrote:You are delusional. EG is an American team and gets shit all the time for its slip ups. Incontrol got more insults in this thread than LaLush, stop playing the victim already its annoying. Mill just continues to show a generic attitude of "we don't really care that much" when it comes to professionalism and it looks really bad. Those are terrible reasons for not finishing a show match your team agreed to play in advance and knew exactly what time it would be.
/facepalm
Where I lived tolerance is taught as a virtue. Millenium cares about its fanbase which is mostly french. You have been fed like so many others so many press release that you think it's the ONLY way to deal with a situation. Some people are educated enough to solve issues privately. Nobody was hurt or insulted here and if you think the contrary, you are delusional. As for the obligation to play that's non-existant. When your team isn't able to make it, you forfeit. They didn't beg for a rematch or a postpone. They forfeited. Otherwise professionalism in eSports is a dream not a reality, stop trying to sell the bear's hide before killing it.
PS : And no EG don't get the 'I guess they couldn't do anything that forfeit since they are french' kind of insult.
I think the reason you seems a bit upset by this is the apparent lack of respect that Mill had for the viewers and Slayers time.
To me it all comes down to priorities. To the Mill players school takes precedence over Starcraft, which is respectable, and something their sponsors seems to support.
What? It's not a matter of priorities. No one forced Mill to sign up for this league. If their priority wasn't to play a full match against Slayers then they shouldn't have agreed to. Plus this isn't some kind of recreational league. When you're a pro gamer, or a pro team, the matches and tournaments that you're registered to attend are professional obligations.
Mill definitely owes an apology to Slayers and IPL. Another team was short a player and they found someone--you're telling me that Mill couldn't come up with that solution?
imo Mill just does not have good management.
And no EG don't get the 'I guess they couldn't do anything that forfeit since they are french' kind of insult.
Wow dude, maybe because they aren't French and didn't forfeit anything?
On November 18 2011 15:14 Otolia wrote: What I learned from that thread :
* SlayerS was playing for the show and they won. * Curiously Adelscott was the only play in [M] to win a game. It was a PvP * Lalush left a game without gg. * Millenium couldn't field their last player and had to forfeit. Lalush explained clearly the reasons
That's from the good part. Now the bad part :
* You can troll people and insult them as long as these are french, god forbid you, do NOT do the same with the mighty USA. * Our fellow US friends think their own moral value are the value that the world should respect. * People are getting all stinky and arrogant and insults each other. * Nobody is going to get banned.
Some might say, there is a strong bias towards a certain attitude ...
You forgot to say that Adelscott win his game only because he can hear the casters :D
On November 18 2011 15:14 Otolia wrote: What I learned from that thread :
* SlayerS was playing for the show and they won. * Curiously Adelscott was the only play in [M] to win a game. It was a PvP * Lalush left a game without gg. * Millenium couldn't field their last player and had to forfeit. Lalush explained clearly the reasons
That's from the good part. Now the bad part :
* You can troll people and insult them as long as these are french, god forbid you, do NOT do the same with the mighty USA. * Our fellow US friends think their own moral value are the value that the world should respect. * People are getting all stinky and arrogant and insults each other. * Nobody is going to get banned.
Some might say, there is a strong bias towards a certain attitude ...
You forgot to say that Adelscott win his game only because he can hear the casters :D
And that his win is meaningless because it was online, and that Stephano's online loose proves that he's overhype :D
On November 18 2011 12:42 iNcontroL wrote: Sounds like millennium shouldn't have accepted to play. Also, lalush why no gg in invitational match? Even idra would gg There
Why don't you win a match at MLG?
Who are you again? Oh, no one knows. Incontrol is a much better player than you, in all likely-hood. He is also an esteemed member of this forum. Next time check to see if you're on Youtube before you hit the "post" button. Thanks.
I'll bo7 him anytime. Beaten him on ladder, he's not that good...
And you'd likely be stomped worse than him against the top tier people he is playing so bragging about that is just stupid. I beat Vibe once and I don't go bragging to everyone and trolling pro's.
Mentioning it now doesn't really help with your point......... Just saying.
I don't buy the school excuse. Being tired at school one friday is not a big deal. Your never going to convice me these players have never pulled an allnighter before.
Wait, so what do you guys propose millenium should have done? For all we know they entered with the fullest intention of playing a full series, but players had prior responsibilities that got in the way. If my boss called me in at midnight to tell me that in two hours I might be required to play a game when I had school the next morning I'd say that, and I'd be quite frankly more pissed off than you guys if he wasn't happy with me.
LaLush said that they tried to schedule a better time but couldn't come up with anything. So what would you do if you were in Millenium? Forfeit the entire match and drop out of the league, forfeit the game, or forfeit the game and then post a reasonable, if not completely satisfying explanation within an hour of the incident
An hour! And some of you guys are still complaining about the response? It takes days for most people to issue statements when they're clearly in the wrong.
This was always going to be difficult to organise with the timezones involved. That they still fielded four players is much better than nothing at all, surely?
Wow, big deal guys, it's not like they were gonna get a 3-kill. There's plenty of games to watch out there, if missing out on one ruined your day so badly you need to find new meaning in your life.
And INControl trolls need to be banned or something, he does so much for Starcraft and you're spitting in his face. You're essentially the guy who comes uninvited to dinner and bitches about the food, or tags along in a group uninvited and complains they aren't doing what he wants.
On November 18 2011 18:29 JohnMatrix wrote: wow cant believe it goes that far. again people are talking without knowing all the reasons why if had been forfeited.
I don't even understand why people complain about a forfeit.
On November 18 2011 15:14 Otolia wrote: What I learned from that thread :
* SlayerS was playing for the show and they won. * Curiously Adelscott was the only play in [M] to win a game. It was a PvP * Lalush left a game without gg. * Millenium couldn't field their last player and had to forfeit. Lalush explained clearly the reasons
That's from the good part. Now the bad part :
* You can troll people and insult them as long as these are french, god forbid you, do NOT do the same with the mighty USA. * Our fellow US friends think their own moral value are the value that the world should respect. * People are getting all stinky and arrogant and insults each other. * Nobody is going to get banned.
Some might say, there is a strong bias towards a certain attitude ...
I lol'd at the underlined portion. Americans get made fun of the most of all, though I do agree many of the comments towards France are over the top (I considered commenting on it earlier, but as I already said Americans get made fun of so much here that I figured I would be too touchy if I said anything), and there doesn't seem to be any repercussions. Fortunately for you, all these comments against France are only coming up because of this one occurance, and after it things will go back to normal where you guys aren't mentioned much at all.
Also, I applaud you for making valid points, but then making yourself look like a completely ignorant moron with statements like "Our fellow US friends think their own moral value are the value that the world should respect." Yup, all Americans clearly feel that way. *eyeroll*
On November 18 2011 12:24 LaLuSh wrote: We tried to schedule to play this during the day time thursday and friday. But I had exams and afaik diestar had school too. The match had to be played though, so it ended up being scheduled to start around midnight for us (no excuses about that though). Also, you need to realize we're spread very thin player wise at the moment. Tarson is currently not active and Feast was just acquired like two days prior to this clan war. One player having other commitments was enough to spoil a scheduling attempt. And if something unforseen were to happen during a match we didn't really have a healthy pool of replacement players to pick from.
I'd like to continue listing further arguments, but probably best if I just cut this short. Of course we should have showed up with a full team. And it was our honest intention to do so. However, we were barely a full team by this point as it were. Furthermore it was midnight, and then that unforseen thing happened. Wasn't intentional or meant to be disrespectful. Just something that happens sometimes, and something we weren't able to sort out since we're spread very thin at the moment.
Why are you trying to make so many lame excuses? Honestly, saying these sort of things never helps to improve one's image. You are much better off accepting your follies and going on with your life.
Also I don't know where you live, but I'll assume France or somewhere in the same timezone. Midnight for you is 8am in Korea, which could be just as unreasonable for them.
You lost to arguably the best team in Korea, I don't think anyone in their right mind actually thought Mill stood a chance.
Also, hopefully this settles down some of the massive Stephano over-hyping. Could really do with less of that zealotry everywhere.
I think that it was the right decision for millennium. When you are losing that bad is it suck more to give up or continue? It's really sucks either way but at least one of your players doesn't have to go through another brutal game.
On November 18 2011 12:42 iNcontroL wrote: Sounds like millennium shouldn't have accepted to play. Also, lalush why no gg in invitational match? Even idra would gg There
Why don't you win a match at MLG?
Who are you again? Oh, no one knows. Incontrol is a much better player than you, in all likely-hood. He is also an esteemed member of this forum. Next time check to see if you're on Youtube before you hit the "post" button. Thanks.
I'll bo7 him anytime. Beaten him on ladder, he's not that good...
Not the biggest incontrol fan here, but he has a point. Mill had an obligation to provide a full lineup to IPL for the games, and if they couldn't muster a full team within the specified timeframe, they should have tried to inform IPL beforehand. Afterall, IPL's bounty was supposed to be worth a full clan war. They're disappointing fans + IPL big time that way, which could have simpy been avoided by not playing at all so that IPL can arrange for another team on another date.
I don't think Slayers care that much about having 1 less game played, so long as they collect the full bounty.
On November 18 2011 12:42 iNcontroL wrote: Sounds like millennium shouldn't have accepted to play. Also, lalush why no gg in invitational match? Even idra would gg There
Why don't you win a match at MLG?
Who are you again? Oh, no one knows. Incontrol is a much better player than you, in all likely-hood. He is also an esteemed member of this forum. Next time check to see if you're on Youtube before you hit the "post" button. Thanks.
I'll bo7 him anytime. Beaten him on ladder, he's not that good...
Not the biggest incontrol fan here, but he has a point. Mill had an obligation to provide a full lineup to IPL for the games, and if they couldn't muster a full team within the specified timeframe, they should have tried to inform IPL beforehand. Afterall, IPL's bounty was supposed to be worth a full clan war. They're disappointing fans + IPL big time that way, which could have simpy been avoided by not playing at all so that IPL can arrange for another team on another date.
I don't think Slayers care that much about having 1 less game played, so long as they collect the full bounty.
lol @ lalush explanation.... "we didnt intentionally mean anything" but he didnt even gg which is total bm against koreans LOL and why even play the showmatch if you didnt have a full team to play in the first place? why not just forfeit the entire match "due to lack of players?" why ACCEPT?
On November 18 2011 15:14 Otolia wrote: What I learned from that thread :
* SlayerS was playing for the show and they won. * Curiously Adelscott was the only play in [M] to win a game. It was a PvP * Lalush left a game without gg. * Millenium couldn't field their last player and had to forfeit. Lalush explained clearly the reasons
That's from the good part. Now the bad part :
* You can troll people and insult them as long as these are french, god forbid you, do NOT do the same with the mighty USA. * Our fellow US friends think their own moral value are the value that the world should respect. * People are getting all stinky and arrogant and insults each other. * Nobody is going to get banned.
Some might say, there is a strong bias towards a certain attitude ...
I'm not totally agree with you since it's a typical french anti american reaction but there's one thing i note : when Idra BMs he's a mighty genius, when lalush does he's just a shit. There's a bias there, but i don't even think this is because idra is american, he has just a lot of american fan -> the american fan don't flame him and there's lot of these guys round there .
On November 18 2011 20:20 koolaid1990 wrote: lol @ lalush explanation.... "we didnt intentionally mean anything" but he didnt even gg which is total bm against koreans LOL and why even play the showmatch if you didnt have a full team to play in the first place? why not just forfeit the entire match "due to lack of players?" why ACCEPT?
Because they THOUGHT they would be able to play. Only one match was forfeited. Stop acting as if it was that much of a deal.
Haha Crank is such a funny guy, seen him in ESV. He seems to be quite the effective cheeser, although I didnt watch these series against Stephano. Well, if you play in SlayerS at least even if you are b-teamer you seem to beat the best foreigners. ^^
On November 18 2011 12:42 iNcontroL wrote: Sounds like millennium shouldn't have accepted to play. Also, lalush why no gg in invitational match? Even idra would gg There
Anyone who is totally surprised that Crank won against Stephano clearly doesn't watch the Korean weekly. Crank is sick fucking good and I have little doubt people will be hearing his name soon.
On November 18 2011 20:31 eYeball wrote: Haha Crank is such a funny guy, seen him in ESV. He seems to be quite the effective cheeser, although I didnt watch these series against Stephano. Well, if you play in SlayerS at least even if you are b-teamer you seem to beat the best foreigners. ^^
While Stephano's wins against many koreans code S players during ILP3 qualifiers will be considered as "irrevelant of his skill level", i will consider the korean's online wins "irrevelant of their skill level" too.
On November 18 2011 20:20 koolaid1990 wrote: lol @ lalush explanation.... "we didnt intentionally mean anything" but he didnt even gg which is total bm against koreans LOL and why even play the showmatch if you didnt have a full team to play in the first place? why not just forfeit the entire match "due to lack of players?" why ACCEPT?
Because they THOUGHT they would be able to play. Only one match was forfeited. Stop acting as if it was that much of a deal.
I somehow knew people on the internets would omit this part when bashing my explanation. We should have fielded a full team, and it was unprofessional not to do so, I agree (apologize for this). We did think we would be able to play however, and for the reasons I provided it was hard for us to fix the mess that arose from being one player short (it being midnight, and there being no replacements).
As for other perceived transgressions, I'll let the internets continue construe the facts, details and meaning surrounding them.
On November 18 2011 15:14 Otolia wrote: What I learned from that thread :
* SlayerS was playing for the show and they won. * Curiously Adelscott was the only play in [M] to win a game. It was a PvP * Lalush left a game without gg. * Millenium couldn't field their last player and had to forfeit. Lalush explained clearly the reasons
That's from the good part. Now the bad part :
* You can troll people and insult them as long as these are french, god forbid you, do NOT do the same with the mighty USA. * Our fellow US friends think their own moral value are the value that the world should respect. * People are getting all stinky and arrogant and insults each other. * Nobody is going to get banned.
Some might say, there is a strong bias towards a certain attitude ...
I'm not totally agree with you since it's a typical french anti american reaction but there's one thing i note : when Idra BMs he's a mighty genius, when lalush does he's just a shit. There's a bias there, but i don't even think this is because idra is american, he has just a lot of american fan -> the american fan don't flame him and there's lot of these guys round there .
People tend to be more forgiving towards a player who is actually good.
On November 18 2011 15:14 Otolia wrote: What I learned from that thread :
* SlayerS was playing for the show and they won. * Curiously Adelscott was the only play in [M] to win a game. It was a PvP * Lalush left a game without gg. * Millenium couldn't field their last player and had to forfeit. Lalush explained clearly the reasons
That's from the good part. Now the bad part :
* You can troll people and insult them as long as these are french, god forbid you, do NOT do the same with the mighty USA. * Our fellow US friends think their own moral value are the value that the world should respect. * People are getting all stinky and arrogant and insults each other. * Nobody is going to get banned.
Some might say, there is a strong bias towards a certain attitude ...
I'm not totally agree with you since it's a typical french anti american reaction but there's one thing i note : when Idra BMs he's a mighty genius, when lalush does he's just a shit. There's a bias there, but i don't even think this is because idra is american, he has just a lot of american fan -> the american fan don't flame him and there's lot of these guys round there .
People tend to be more forgiving towards a player who is actually good.
So why blame his behaviour and speak about respect if just the player's level is important?
<troll> Stehano 0 - 1 Crank Stephano 0 - 1 Tails was followed by Stephano 4 - 0 Tails Stephano 0 - 1 Inori was followed by Stephano 2 - 0 Inori
Do I see a pattern here ? :p </troll>
A match starting at midnight in EU and 8:00 AM in Korea is asking for this kind of issue. It means it was way past 1 AM in EU when last match should have started, and usually on a week day at 1 AM you're either quite tired or asleep (which could as well explain Stephano's performance, he is not really known to play well when tired, quite the opposite in fact...). M and IPL have their parts of responsibility in the failed organisation, M taking the biggest part for not being able to show up with a full team, but it's nowhere near bad as some ppl want to make it. Shit happens, when an athlet injures himself he doesn't keep playing, same kind of deal here.
Anyway, nothing surprising in the result, M doesn't have the players' base to compete with SlayerS, it was either a full team by Stephano (very unlikely to happen considering koreans probably prepared strategies against him) or a big loss.
golden beat millenium :/ no offense but millenium played really poorly. especially considering how lax golden was. crank is also the brand new slayers that hasn't even been on the scene yet apart from the korean weekly.
On November 18 2011 12:42 iNcontroL wrote: Sounds like millennium shouldn't have accepted to play. Also, lalush why no gg in invitational match? Even idra would gg There
Why don't you win a match at MLG?
Who are you again? Oh, no one knows. Incontrol is a much better player than you, in all likely-hood. He is also an esteemed member of this forum. Next time check to see if you're on Youtube before you hit the "post" button. Thanks.
I'll bo7 him anytime. Beaten him on ladder, he's not that good...
Not the biggest incontrol fan here, but he has a point. Mill had an obligation to provide a full lineup to IPL for the games, and if they couldn't muster a full team within the specified timeframe, they should have tried to inform IPL beforehand. Afterall, IPL's bounty was supposed to be worth a full clan war. They're disappointing fans + IPL big time that way, which could have simpy been avoided by not playing at all so that IPL can arrange for another team on another date.
I don't think Slayers care that much about having 1 less game played, so long as they collect the full bounty.
Obligation? Whatever you're smoking, I want some.
Duh? IPL didn't invite them with having only 1-4 players on that lineup during match day, it was clear as hell that Mill was supposed to present 5 players. There were no repercussions for Mill, great for them. That doesn't mean they didn't fuck up on this one.
On November 18 2011 20:20 koolaid1990 wrote: lol @ lalush explanation.... "we didnt intentionally mean anything" but he didnt even gg which is total bm against koreans LOL and why even play the showmatch if you didnt have a full team to play in the first place? why not just forfeit the entire match "due to lack of players?" why ACCEPT?
I'd rather watch five games of SC2 than no games of SC2.
On November 18 2011 20:20 koolaid1990 wrote: lol @ lalush explanation.... "we didnt intentionally mean anything" but he didnt even gg which is total bm against koreans LOL and why even play the showmatch if you didnt have a full team to play in the first place? why not just forfeit the entire match "due to lack of players?" why ACCEPT?
I'd rather watch five games of SC2 than no games of SC2.
If pointing at something worse would make bad things good, we would live in a really good world, you know? Like "Oh, I'd rather blablabla than blablabla and have my arm broken".
On November 18 2011 15:14 Otolia wrote: What I learned from that thread :
* SlayerS was playing for the show and they won. * Curiously Adelscott was the only play in [M] to win a game. It was a PvP * Lalush left a game without gg. * Millenium couldn't field their last player and had to forfeit. Lalush explained clearly the reasons
That's from the good part. Now the bad part :
* You can troll people and insult them as long as these are french, god forbid you, do NOT do the same with the mighty USA. * Our fellow US friends think their own moral value are the value that the world should respect. * People are getting all stinky and arrogant and insults each other. * Nobody is going to get banned.
Some might say, there is a strong bias towards a certain attitude ...
I'm not totally agree with you since it's a typical french anti american reaction but there's one thing i note : when Idra BMs he's a mighty genius, when lalush does he's just a shit. There's a bias there, but i don't even think this is because idra is american, he has just a lot of american fan -> the american fan don't flame him and there's lot of these guys round there .
People tend to be more forgiving towards a player who is actually good.
So why blame his behaviour and speak about respect if just the player's level is important?
It's not like player's level is all that matters. But it might be seen by many people as a redeming factor. When Stephano was involved it the "Col. transfer incident", many ppl defended him on TL saying he is "young and talented and it would be a shame...".
On topic. Millenium acted in a highly unprofessional way. You either have a team ready or you don't. If you don't - don't compete. As someone pointed out earlier - Alternate had similar problems, but they found a replacement. IPL is organizing these events to be broadcasted. People who tune in have the right to expect a certain number of games (a full match). As cliche as it sounds - if something is killing e-sports, its the walkovers/no-shows/forfeits (e.g. in the NASL).
On November 18 2011 15:14 Otolia wrote: What I learned from that thread :
* SlayerS was playing for the show and they won. * Curiously Adelscott was the only play in [M] to win a game. It was a PvP * Lalush left a game without gg. * Millenium couldn't field their last player and had to forfeit. Lalush explained clearly the reasons
That's from the good part. Now the bad part :
* You can troll people and insult them as long as these are french, god forbid you, do NOT do the same with the mighty USA. * Our fellow US friends think their own moral value are the value that the world should respect. * People are getting all stinky and arrogant and insults each other. * Nobody is going to get banned.
Some might say, there is a strong bias towards a certain attitude ...
I'm not totally agree with you since it's a typical french anti american reaction but there's one thing i note : when Idra BMs he's a mighty genius, when lalush does he's just a shit. There's a bias there, but i don't even think this is because idra is american, he has just a lot of american fan -> the american fan don't flame him and there's lot of these guys round there .
People tend to be more forgiving towards a player who is actually good.
So why blame his behaviour and speak about respect if just the player's level is important?
It's not like player's level is all that matters. But it might be seen by many people as a redeming factor. When Stephano was involved it the "Col. transfer incident", many ppl defended him on TL saying he is "young and talented and it would be a shame...".
On topic. Millenium acted in a highly unprofessional way. You either have a team ready or you don't. If you don't - don't compete. As someone pointed out earlier - Alternate had similar problems, but they found a replacement. IPL is organizing these events to be broadcasted. People who tune in have the right to expect a certain number of games (a full match). As cliche as it sounds - if something is killing e-sports, its the walkovers/no-shows/forfeits (e.g. in the NASL).
What i saw was more like an anti-Stephano-Millenium-french thread, stop arguing wrong things, i even remember a poll where "65% will never forgive Stepha for what he did he almost killed esport". Few week after everybody was saying he was the best player eva and he would destroy MVP in a blind one-handed b07.
I mean this is just TL, in 3 days everybody will forget this issue
No-shows and forfeits will stop when those who organize events will make sure events don't overlap. In football, world cup is not played during national championships. At the moment, there is no real global planning, players are invited left and right, travel a lot and can't make all events. Are the players / teams responsible ? sure. Are the organizers reponsible ? As well. Why the heck wasn't this match organized on a saturday at 10 AM EU / 6 PM Korea....? Whose fault it is ?
That said, Millenium should have presented a full team, they actually planned to, but shit happens, especially at 1 AM ...They have a team of 7, one went inactive, another wasn't meant to participate (Kleenex), so they find themselves w/o backup, which led to the problem. Maybe their coatch (lwl, barely master) should have played to satisfy your needs ?
On November 18 2011 15:14 Otolia wrote: What I learned from that thread :
* SlayerS was playing for the show and they won. * Curiously Adelscott was the only play in [M] to win a game. It was a PvP * Lalush left a game without gg. * Millenium couldn't field their last player and had to forfeit. Lalush explained clearly the reasons
That's from the good part. Now the bad part :
* You can troll people and insult them as long as these are french, god forbid you, do NOT do the same with the mighty USA. * Our fellow US friends think their own moral value are the value that the world should respect. * People are getting all stinky and arrogant and insults each other. * Nobody is going to get banned.
Some might say, there is a strong bias towards a certain attitude ...
I'm not totally agree with you since it's a typical french anti american reaction but there's one thing i note : when Idra BMs he's a mighty genius, when lalush does he's just a shit. There's a bias there, but i don't even think this is because idra is american, he has just a lot of american fan -> the american fan don't flame him and there's lot of these guys round there .
People tend to be more forgiving towards a player who is actually good.
So why blame his behaviour and speak about respect if just the player's level is important?
It's not like player's level is all that matters. But it might be seen by many people as a redeming factor. When Stephano was involved it the "Col. transfer incident", many ppl defended him on TL saying he is "young and talented and it would be a shame...".
On topic. Millenium acted in a highly unprofessional way. You either have a team ready or you don't. If you don't - don't compete. As someone pointed out earlier - Alternate had similar problems, but they found a replacement. IPL is organizing these events to be broadcasted. People who tune in have the right to expect a certain number of games (a full match). As cliche as it sounds - if something is killing e-sports, its the walkovers/no-shows/forfeits (e.g. in the NASL).
What i saw was more like an anti-Stephano-Millenium-french thread, stop arguing wrong things, i even remember a poll where "65% will never forgive Stepha for what he did he almost killed esport". Few week after everybody was saying he was the best player eva and he would destroy MVP in a blind one-handed b07.
I mean this is just TL, in 3 days everybody will forget this issue
If Stephano was less talented French player probably 99% of people would say he's done with SC2 community. My point was that people in general tend to see talent and quality of a player as a redeeming factor for his flaws, not that TL loves French players and teams. I agree that everyone will forget as soon as MLG starts.
Some people in this thread really over-reacted to "defend" Stephano's loss. No serious people would say he's suddenly bad because of this loss. All we have been trying to do is neutralize the over-hyped part of it.
On November 16 2011 12:59 red4ce wrote: The only chance for Slayers to beat Stephano is Ganzi taking him down or one of the zergs getting a lucky BO win. Once/If Stephano loses the rest of Millenium will be a walkover.
On November 18 2011 15:14 Otolia wrote: What I learned from that thread :
* SlayerS was playing for the show and they won. * Curiously Adelscott was the only play in [M] to win a game. It was a PvP * Lalush left a game without gg. * Millenium couldn't field their last player and had to forfeit. Lalush explained clearly the reasons
That's from the good part. Now the bad part :
* You can troll people and insult them as long as these are french, god forbid you, do NOT do the same with the mighty USA. * Our fellow US friends think their own moral value are the value that the world should respect. * People are getting all stinky and arrogant and insults each other. * Nobody is going to get banned.
Some might say, there is a strong bias towards a certain attitude ...
I'm not totally agree with you since it's a typical french anti american reaction but there's one thing i note : when Idra BMs he's a mighty genius, when lalush does he's just a shit. There's a bias there, but i don't even think this is because idra is american, he has just a lot of american fan -> the american fan don't flame him and there's lot of these guys round there .
People tend to be more forgiving towards a player who is actually good.
So why blame his behaviour and speak about respect if just the player's level is important?
It's not like player's level is all that matters. But it might be seen by many people as a redeming factor. When Stephano was involved it the "Col. transfer incident", many ppl defended him on TL saying he is "young and talented and it would be a shame...".
On topic. Millenium acted in a highly unprofessional way. You either have a team ready or you don't. If you don't - don't compete. As someone pointed out earlier - Alternate had similar problems, but they found a replacement. IPL is organizing these events to be broadcasted. People who tune in have the right to expect a certain number of games (a full match). As cliche as it sounds - if something is killing e-sports, its the walkovers/no-shows/forfeits (e.g. in the NASL).
What i saw was more like an anti-Stephano-Millenium-french thread, stop arguing wrong things, i even remember a poll where "65% will never forgive Stepha for what he did he almost killed esport". Few week after everybody was saying he was the best player eva and he would destroy MVP in a blind one-handed b07.
I mean this is just TL, in 3 days everybody will forget this issue
If Stephano was less talented French player probably 99% of people would say he's done with SC2 community. My point was that people in general tend to see talent and quality of a player as a redeeming factor for his flaws, not that TL loves French players and teams. I agree that everyone will forget as soon as MLG starts.
Most people actually just don't give a fuck about all you drama whores and just enjoy games when games are shown.
Seriously.. Get over it. It was 1 forfeit.. 1 game in an allready lost CW. I really don't see the big issue here. It was not "good" but it's not drama worthy...
On November 18 2011 15:14 Otolia wrote: What I learned from that thread :
* SlayerS was playing for the show and they won. * Curiously Adelscott was the only play in [M] to win a game. It was a PvP * Lalush left a game without gg. * Millenium couldn't field their last player and had to forfeit. Lalush explained clearly the reasons
That's from the good part. Now the bad part :
* You can troll people and insult them as long as these are french, god forbid you, do NOT do the same with the mighty USA. * Our fellow US friends think their own moral value are the value that the world should respect. * People are getting all stinky and arrogant and insults each other. * Nobody is going to get banned.
Some might say, there is a strong bias towards a certain attitude ...
I'm not totally agree with you since it's a typical french anti american reaction but there's one thing i note : when Idra BMs he's a mighty genius, when lalush does he's just a shit. There's a bias there, but i don't even think this is because idra is american, he has just a lot of american fan -> the american fan don't flame him and there's lot of these guys round there .
People tend to be more forgiving towards a player who is actually good.
So why blame his behaviour and speak about respect if just the player's level is important?
It's not like player's level is all that matters. But it might be seen by many people as a redeming factor. When Stephano was involved it the "Col. transfer incident", many ppl defended him on TL saying he is "young and talented and it would be a shame...".
On topic. Millenium acted in a highly unprofessional way. You either have a team ready or you don't. If you don't - don't compete. As someone pointed out earlier - Alternate had similar problems, but they found a replacement. IPL is organizing these events to be broadcasted. People who tune in have the right to expect a certain number of games (a full match). As cliche as it sounds - if something is killing e-sports, its the walkovers/no-shows/forfeits (e.g. in the NASL).
What i saw was more like an anti-Stephano-Millenium-french thread, stop arguing wrong things, i even remember a poll where "65% will never forgive Stepha for what he did he almost killed esport". Few week after everybody was saying he was the best player eva and he would destroy MVP in a blind one-handed b07.
I mean this is just TL, in 3 days everybody will forget this issue
If Stephano was less talented French player probably 99% of people would say he's done with SC2 community. My point was that people in general tend to see talent and quality of a player as a redeeming factor for his flaws, not that TL loves French players and teams. I agree that everyone will forget as soon as MLG starts.
Most people actually just don't give a fuck about all you drama whores and just enjoy games when games are shown.
Seriously.. Get over it. It was 1 forfeit.. 1 game in an allready lost CW. I really don't see the big issue here. It was not "good" but it's not drama worthy...
Exactly, unfortunate but nothing to get all worked up about. Demanding "an apology to SlayerS for wasting their time" or anything like that is just ridiculous. No one will remember this after MLG and for good reason.
On November 18 2011 12:42 iNcontroL wrote: Sounds like millennium shouldn't have accepted to play. Also, lalush why no gg in invitational match? Even idra would gg There
Why don't you win a match at MLG?
Who are you again? Oh, no one knows. Incontrol is a much better player than you, in all likely-hood. He is also an esteemed member of this forum. Next time check to see if you're on Youtube before you hit the "post" button. Thanks.
Don't you think a pro gamer earning a regular salary and practicing 10 hours a day in a designated team house should be held to higher standards than a random forum-goer on Teamliquid?
On November 18 2011 12:42 iNcontroL wrote: Sounds like millennium shouldn't have accepted to play. Also, lalush why no gg in invitational match? Even idra would gg There
Why don't you win a match at MLG?
Who are you again? Oh, no one knows. Incontrol is a much better player than you, in all likely-hood. He is also an esteemed member of this forum. Next time check to see if you're on Youtube before you hit the "post" button. Thanks.
Don't you think a pro gamer earning a regular salary and practicing 10 hours a day in a designated team house should be held to higher standards than a random forum-goer on Teamliquid?
Doubt iNcontroL practices 10 hours a day..but you have a point.
I find it funny how nobody on here is talking about the really really young player Slayers had that took 3 points. Slayers_Golden !! kids like 16 or 17 years old, up and comer that I think has potential to be one of the top Korean Zerg players.
Isn't Leenock only 15/16? He could down-smash 3-kill/4-kill pentakill, ace anyone just as hard (or harder) than golden Not to stray so far off topic, but just saying.
I'm pretty torn on the issue. While Mill doesn't want to just throw a game, it's definitely unprofessional to just hope and pray that Stephano all-kill's the Slayers team so that the fact that they don't even have a full roster is overshadowed.
And yet, I believe it all really matters on how SlayerS decides to take it. If they feel disrespected at all, or any negative feelings in the slightest as a result of Mill's lack of professionalism, then I think there is a definite problem present. However, and this is the more likely one considering they just took home another nice chunk of change back home, they are just fine with stomping all over Millennium and their "chosen one" and taking home what was essentially an EZPZ win. I mean really, Mill is the only team here that is making themselves look like some half-rate, half-assed club with players/management that don't really care about IPL Team Arena (which is becoming a major candidate for a real foreign SC2 Proleague).
I don't know if it is directly hurting Esports as much as some people are claiming, but it's definitely hurting the image of Millennium and their legitimacy as a team. I say let bygones be bygones and hurry and find some foreign team that can actually compete with even the B-teamers of the SlayerS roster..
On November 18 2011 12:42 iNcontroL wrote: Sounds like millennium shouldn't have accepted to play. Also, lalush why no gg in invitational match? Even idra would gg There
Why don't you win a match at MLG?
Who are you again? Oh, no one knows. Incontrol is a much better player than you, in all likely-hood. He is also an esteemed member of this forum. Next time check to see if you're on Youtube before you hit the "post" button. Thanks.
Don't you think a pro gamer earning a regular salary and practicing 10 hours a day in a designated team house should be held to higher standards than a random forum-goer on Teamliquid?
at the moment incontrol is still competing in the foreign equivalent of code-s... so soon the haters forget MLG dallas..
On November 18 2011 15:14 Otolia wrote: What I learned from that thread :
* SlayerS was playing for the show and they won. * Curiously Adelscott was the only play in [M] to win a game. It was a PvP * Lalush left a game without gg. * Millenium couldn't field their last player and had to forfeit. Lalush explained clearly the reasons
That's from the good part. Now the bad part :
* You can troll people and insult them as long as these are french, god forbid you, do NOT do the same with the mighty USA. * Our fellow US friends think their own moral value are the value that the world should respect. * People are getting all stinky and arrogant and insults each other. * Nobody is going to get banned.
Some might say, there is a strong bias towards a certain attitude ...
I'm not totally agree with you since it's a typical french anti american reaction but there's one thing i note : when Idra BMs he's a mighty genius, when lalush does he's just a shit. There's a bias there, but i don't even think this is because idra is american, he has just a lot of american fan -> the american fan don't flame him and there's lot of these guys round there .
People tend to be more forgiving towards a player who is actually good.
So why blame his behaviour and speak about respect if just the player's level is important?
It's not like player's level is all that matters. But it might be seen by many people as a redeming factor. When Stephano was involved it the "Col. transfer incident", many ppl defended him on TL saying he is "young and talented and it would be a shame...".
On topic. Millenium acted in a highly unprofessional way. You either have a team ready or you don't. If you don't - don't compete. As someone pointed out earlier - Alternate had similar problems, but they found a replacement. IPL is organizing these events to be broadcasted. People who tune in have the right to expect a certain number of games (a full match). As cliche as it sounds - if something is killing e-sports, its the walkovers/no-shows/forfeits (e.g. in the NASL).
What i saw was more like an anti-Stephano-Millenium-french thread, stop arguing wrong things, i even remember a poll where "65% will never forgive Stepha for what he did he almost killed esport". Few week after everybody was saying he was the best player eva and he would destroy MVP in a blind one-handed b07.
I mean this is just TL, in 3 days everybody will forget this issue
the only people even bringing up nationality are the french posters playing the race card .. in 3 days everyone will forget just like most forgot the few eu playheim / craftcups hes won making him the 'best zerg in the world' and 'the next spanishwa' and the french posters have forgotten his mlg performance
On November 19 2011 00:37 SwizzY wrote: Isn't Leenock only 15/16? He could down-smash 3-kill/4-kill pentakill, ace anyone just as hard (or harder) than golden Not to stray so far off topic, but just saying.
I'm pretty torn on the issue. While Mill doesn't want to just throw a game, it's definitely unprofessional to just hope and pray that Stephano all-kill's the Slayers team so that the fact that they don't even have a full roster is overshadowed.
And yet, I believe it all really matters on how SlayerS decides to take it. If they feel disrespected at all, or any negative feelings in the slightest as a result of Mill's lack of professionalism, then I think there is a definite problem present. However, and this is the more likely one considering they just took home another nice chunk of change back home, they are just fine with stomping all over Millennium and their "chosen one" and taking home what was essentially an EZPZ win. I mean really, Mill is the only team here that is making themselves look like some half-rate, half-assed club with players/management that don't really care about IPL Team Arena (which is becoming a major candidate for a real foreign SC2 Proleague).
I don't know if it is directly hurting Esports as much as some people are claiming, but it's definitely hurting the image of Millennium and their legitimacy as a team. I say let bygones be bygones and hurry and find some foreign team that can actually compete with even the B-teamers of the SlayerS roster..
I think that Boxer and Jessica are pretty clever and wise. So they won't feel disrespected by such a futile forfeit by lack of players.
It's just a TL and reddit's "drama lovers" purpose in fact.
1- why would you hate on a team with 5 players who are trying to play a bo9 clanwar ? if something happens with either the internet or to the player himself they wont be enough soo does that mean teams with only 5 members arent allowed to participate? or people with 6 neither because 2 of them might not be able to play-who knows? u c? that discussion is kinda stupid
2-lalush not gg'ing doesnt mean he bms but thats his way of expressing that he didnt play well or he thinks it wasnt a good game which is not particularly good or anything i defend but its not bm in general
3-omg stop bashing incontrol for playing horribly at any toutnament he enters - hes a pro he will get over it - sure -im totally convinced by it - maybe in a few years.... + Show Spoiler +
no offence but i find it kinda ridiculous too that hes bashing players that are better than him
On November 19 2011 01:36 sVnteen wrote: omg so much hate in this thread lol
1- why would you hate on a team with 5 players who are trying to play a bo9 clanwar ? if something happens with either the internet or to the player himself they wont be enough soo does that mean teams with only 5 members arent allowed to participate? or people with 6 neither because 2 of them might not be able to play-who knows? u c? that discussion is kinda stupid
2-lalush not gg'ing doesnt mean he bms but thats his way of expressing that he didnt play well or he thinks it wasnt a good game which is not particularly good or anything i defend but its not bm in general
3-omg stop bashing incontrol for playing horribly at any toutnament he enters - hes a pro he will get over it - sure -im totally convinced by it - maybe in a few years.... + Show Spoiler +
no offence but i find it kinda ridiculous too that hes bashing players that are better than him
You didn't read that the last player who to play was asleep right?...inform urself of the situation pls <3 and not GGing in an invitational which is giving u a chance at money...is kinda sleezy
On November 19 2011 01:36 sVnteen wrote: omg so much hate in this thread lol
1- why would you hate on a team with 5 players who are trying to play a bo9 clanwar ? if something happens with either the internet or to the player himself they wont be enough soo does that mean teams with only 5 members arent allowed to participate? or people with 6 neither because 2 of them might not be able to play-who knows? u c? that discussion is kinda stupid
2-lalush not gg'ing doesnt mean he bms but thats his way of expressing that he didnt play well or he thinks it wasnt a good game which is not particularly good or anything i defend but its not bm in general
3-omg stop bashing incontrol for playing horribly at any toutnament he enters - hes a pro he will get over it - sure -im totally convinced by it - maybe in a few years.... + Show Spoiler +
no offence but i find it kinda ridiculous too that hes bashing players that are better than him
You didn't read that the last player who to play was asleep right?...inform urself of the situation pls <3 and not GGing in an invitational which is giving u a chance at money...is kinda sleezy
seriously.... it's an invitational.... grow up and manner up, or I guess just express yourself gotta be different ya know
Man. I don't see why you guys are so pissed at Mill for not being able to play. When catspj announced that there were no more games i just lost it for a good ten minutes, rofl. Yeah it was sad that there weren't any more games, but whatever guys. It wasn't intentional and it was kinda late.
On November 18 2011 12:42 iNcontroL wrote: Sounds like millennium shouldn't have accepted to play. Also, lalush why no gg in invitational match? Even idra would gg There
Why don't you win a match at MLG?
Who are you again? Oh, no one knows. Incontrol is a much better player than you, in all likely-hood. He is also an esteemed member of this forum. Next time check to see if you're on Youtube before you hit the "post" button. Thanks.
Don't you think a pro gamer earning a regular salary and practicing 10 hours a day in a designated team house should be held to higher standards than a random forum-goer on Teamliquid?
at the moment incontrol is still competing in the foreign equivalent of code-s... so soon the haters forget MLG dallas..
On November 18 2011 15:14 Otolia wrote: What I learned from that thread :
* SlayerS was playing for the show and they won. * Curiously Adelscott was the only play in [M] to win a game. It was a PvP * Lalush left a game without gg. * Millenium couldn't field their last player and had to forfeit. Lalush explained clearly the reasons
That's from the good part. Now the bad part :
* You can troll people and insult them as long as these are french, god forbid you, do NOT do the same with the mighty USA. * Our fellow US friends think their own moral value are the value that the world should respect. * People are getting all stinky and arrogant and insults each other. * Nobody is going to get banned.
Some might say, there is a strong bias towards a certain attitude ...
I'm not totally agree with you since it's a typical french anti american reaction but there's one thing i note : when Idra BMs he's a mighty genius, when lalush does he's just a shit. There's a bias there, but i don't even think this is because idra is american, he has just a lot of american fan -> the american fan don't flame him and there's lot of these guys round there .
People tend to be more forgiving towards a player who is actually good.
So why blame his behaviour and speak about respect if just the player's level is important?
It's not like player's level is all that matters. But it might be seen by many people as a redeming factor. When Stephano was involved it the "Col. transfer incident", many ppl defended him on TL saying he is "young and talented and it would be a shame...".
On topic. Millenium acted in a highly unprofessional way. You either have a team ready or you don't. If you don't - don't compete. As someone pointed out earlier - Alternate had similar problems, but they found a replacement. IPL is organizing these events to be broadcasted. People who tune in have the right to expect a certain number of games (a full match). As cliche as it sounds - if something is killing e-sports, its the walkovers/no-shows/forfeits (e.g. in the NASL).
What i saw was more like an anti-Stephano-Millenium-french thread, stop arguing wrong things, i even remember a poll where "65% will never forgive Stepha for what he did he almost killed esport". Few week after everybody was saying he was the best player eva and he would destroy MVP in a blind one-handed b07.
I mean this is just TL, in 3 days everybody will forget this issue
the only people even bringing up nationality are the french posters playing the race card .. in 3 days everyone will forget just like most forgot the few eu playheim / craftcups hes won making him the 'best zerg in the world' and 'the next spanishwa' and the french posters have forgotten his mlg performance
competing and doing well are way different, and it would be just stupid to say incontrol is code a/s atm. I mean you mention dallas, but even then incontrol cheesed his way through n had a super easy group. Then all the other mlgs he does terrible, and only places high because of him already being in pool play so he gets auto top 20 or something.
Also people really need to stop with the US/EU card it is just really annoying. Idra never doesn't gg now for live tournaments at least, and even in the past it was because of how he lost or how the person played n if in his mind they deserved the gg. If idra loses a bunch of mutas to flying over marines n idra leaves it wasn't a gg because idra played terrible. Idra is known for speaking his mind, and getting angry so no idea why you would even compare lelush to him unless lelush BMs a lot also because i have no idea.
Ok, me flaming Mill for being unprofessional and whatnot was just stupid now that I think of it. They've played. They've lost. End of story.
Wanted to ask about other thing: Dont you guys think that IPL kinda broke Team Arena by inviting SlayerS - a team that no foreign clan can take down? Should they start a new round with foreign teams - Evil Geniuses, Liquid etc. or get more Korean teams?
Really? Mill forfeit their last game? They get invited to play in the IPL Team Arena and then they forfeit? lol how irresponsible -.- Did they think Stephano would AK or something? I don't understand...
On November 19 2011 04:58 MurtiBing wrote: Ok, me flaming Mill for being unprofessional and whatnot was just stupid now that I think of it. They've played. They've lost. End of story.
Wanted to ask about other thing: Dont you guys think that IPL kinda broke Team Arena by inviting SlayerS - a team that no foreign clan can take down? Should they start a new round with foreign teams - Evil Geniuses, Liquid etc. or get more Korean teams?
It's nice that we get to see "unknown" B teamers play! They can't send them in GSTL and they can't qualify for code A so we don't see them often. So it's a cool thing. Maybe they can allow a "dreamteam" for foreigners with the best players of each team, but I dunno if the players would want it
On November 19 2011 04:58 MurtiBing wrote: Ok, me flaming Mill for being unprofessional and whatnot was just stupid now that I think of it. They've played. They've lost. End of story.
Wanted to ask about other thing: Dont you guys think that IPL kinda broke Team Arena by inviting SlayerS - a team that no foreign clan can take down? Should they start a new round with foreign teams - Evil Geniuses, Liquid etc. or get more Korean teams?
Slayers isn't unbeatable. IPL will probably start inviting repeat foreign teams after a while anyways (since they are starting to run out). Not to mention Slayers isn't the only Korean team that'll get invited, so at worst Team Arena this season turns into Korean teams (and FXO) fighting it out.
It's probably discouraging that Slayers isn't throwing their A-team out there other than against Mouz (they really went all-out on that one huh?) and even then Mouz knocked out Ryung and Coca (and Lots).
On November 18 2011 12:42 iNcontroL wrote: Sounds like millennium shouldn't have accepted to play. Also, lalush why no gg in invitational match? Even idra would gg There
Why don't you win a match at MLG?
Who are you again? Oh, no one knows. Incontrol is a much better player than you, in all likely-hood. He is also an esteemed member of this forum. Next time check to see if you're on Youtube before you hit the "post" button. Thanks.
Don't you think a pro gamer earning a regular salary and practicing 10 hours a day in a designated team house should be held to higher standards than a random forum-goer on Teamliquid?
at the moment incontrol is still competing in the foreign equivalent of code-s... so soon the haters forget MLG dallas..
On November 18 2011 15:14 Otolia wrote: What I learned from that thread :
* SlayerS was playing for the show and they won. * Curiously Adelscott was the only play in [M] to win a game. It was a PvP * Lalush left a game without gg. * Millenium couldn't field their last player and had to forfeit. Lalush explained clearly the reasons
That's from the good part. Now the bad part :
* You can troll people and insult them as long as these are french, god forbid you, do NOT do the same with the mighty USA. * Our fellow US friends think their own moral value are the value that the world should respect. * People are getting all stinky and arrogant and insults each other. * Nobody is going to get banned.
Some might say, there is a strong bias towards a certain attitude ...
I'm not totally agree with you since it's a typical french anti american reaction but there's one thing i note : when Idra BMs he's a mighty genius, when lalush does he's just a shit. There's a bias there, but i don't even think this is because idra is american, he has just a lot of american fan -> the american fan don't flame him and there's lot of these guys round there .
People tend to be more forgiving towards a player who is actually good.
So why blame his behaviour and speak about respect if just the player's level is important?
It's not like player's level is all that matters. But it might be seen by many people as a redeming factor. When Stephano was involved it the "Col. transfer incident", many ppl defended him on TL saying he is "young and talented and it would be a shame...".
On topic. Millenium acted in a highly unprofessional way. You either have a team ready or you don't. If you don't - don't compete. As someone pointed out earlier - Alternate had similar problems, but they found a replacement. IPL is organizing these events to be broadcasted. People who tune in have the right to expect a certain number of games (a full match). As cliche as it sounds - if something is killing e-sports, its the walkovers/no-shows/forfeits (e.g. in the NASL).
What i saw was more like an anti-Stephano-Millenium-french thread, stop arguing wrong things, i even remember a poll where "65% will never forgive Stepha for what he did he almost killed esport". Few week after everybody was saying he was the best player eva and he would destroy MVP in a blind one-handed b07.
I mean this is just TL, in 3 days everybody will forget this issue
the only people even bringing up nationality are the french posters playing the race card .. in 3 days everyone will forget just like most forgot the few eu playheim / craftcups hes won making him the 'best zerg in the world' and 'the next spanishwa' and the french posters have forgotten his mlg performance
Is this a joke ?
1) Remember me his palmares ? "few playhem and craftcup ?" ok np, this guy just a nooby, i agree his last title was the go4sc2 he won 6 months ago, not that a big deal you got me
2) I never heard someone saying he was the best zerg of the world, Some argue he is the best foreign zerg wich may be true, some this is the best foreigner, i don't know but he is one of the pretendants, most just say he's verry good wich is TRUE.
3) Did you just compare Stephano to Spanishiwa ? Did i see that ? Did you say that he "wasn't even the next spanishiwa" ? You have some troubles man.
4) I didn't forget he lost to Thestc and Boxer at MLG, this is absolutly not a shame since HE'S NOT NESTEA. But i think you forgot over stuffs he did around this time...
On November 18 2011 12:42 iNcontroL wrote: Sounds like millennium shouldn't have accepted to play. Also, lalush why no gg in invitational match? Even idra would gg There
Why don't you win a match at MLG?
Who are you again? Oh, no one knows. Incontrol is a much better player than you, in all likely-hood. He is also an esteemed member of this forum. Next time check to see if you're on Youtube before you hit the "post" button. Thanks.
Don't you think a pro gamer earning a regular salary and practicing 10 hours a day in a designated team house should be held to higher standards than a random forum-goer on Teamliquid?
at the moment incontrol is still competing in the foreign equivalent of code-s... so soon the haters forget MLG dallas..
On November 18 2011 22:29 AIOL! wrote:
On November 18 2011 22:17 MurtiBing wrote:
On November 18 2011 21:13 Agathon wrote:
On November 18 2011 21:09 MurtiBing wrote:
On November 18 2011 20:23 AIOL! wrote:
On November 18 2011 15:14 Otolia wrote: What I learned from that thread :
* SlayerS was playing for the show and they won. * Curiously Adelscott was the only play in [M] to win a game. It was a PvP * Lalush left a game without gg. * Millenium couldn't field their last player and had to forfeit. Lalush explained clearly the reasons
That's from the good part. Now the bad part :
* You can troll people and insult them as long as these are french, god forbid you, do NOT do the same with the mighty USA. * Our fellow US friends think their own moral value are the value that the world should respect. * People are getting all stinky and arrogant and insults each other. * Nobody is going to get banned.
Some might say, there is a strong bias towards a certain attitude ...
I'm not totally agree with you since it's a typical french anti american reaction but there's one thing i note : when Idra BMs he's a mighty genius, when lalush does he's just a shit. There's a bias there, but i don't even think this is because idra is american, he has just a lot of american fan -> the american fan don't flame him and there's lot of these guys round there .
People tend to be more forgiving towards a player who is actually good.
So why blame his behaviour and speak about respect if just the player's level is important?
It's not like player's level is all that matters. But it might be seen by many people as a redeming factor. When Stephano was involved it the "Col. transfer incident", many ppl defended him on TL saying he is "young and talented and it would be a shame...".
On topic. Millenium acted in a highly unprofessional way. You either have a team ready or you don't. If you don't - don't compete. As someone pointed out earlier - Alternate had similar problems, but they found a replacement. IPL is organizing these events to be broadcasted. People who tune in have the right to expect a certain number of games (a full match). As cliche as it sounds - if something is killing e-sports, its the walkovers/no-shows/forfeits (e.g. in the NASL).
What i saw was more like an anti-Stephano-Millenium-french thread, stop arguing wrong things, i even remember a poll where "65% will never forgive Stepha for what he did he almost killed esport". Few week after everybody was saying he was the best player eva and he would destroy MVP in a blind one-handed b07.
I mean this is just TL, in 3 days everybody will forget this issue
the only people even bringing up nationality are the french posters playing the race card .. in 3 days everyone will forget just like most forgot the few eu playheim / craftcups hes won making him the 'best zerg in the world' and 'the next spanishwa' and the french posters have forgotten his mlg performance
Is this a joke ?
1) Remember me his palmares ? "few playhem and craftcup ?" ok np, this guy just a nooby, i agree his last title was the go4sc2 he won 6 months ago, not that a big deal you got me
2) I never heard someone saying he was the best zerg of the world, Some argue he is the best foreign zerg wich may be true, some this is the best foreigner, i don't know but he is one of the pretendants, most just say he's verry good wich is TRUE.
3) Did you just compare Stephano to Spanishiwa ? Did i see that ? Did you say that he "wasn't even the next spanishiwa" ? You have some troubles man.
4) I didn't forget he lost to Thestc and Boxer at MLG, this is absolutly not a shame since HE'S NOT NESTEA. But i think you forgot over stuffs he did around this time...
At #3, if he was not trolling than that is simply.... hilarious... no offense to spanishiwa hes a good player in the foreign scene undoubtedly, but putting him on the same level as a player like stephano is just not thinking!
Mouz is the most competitive team SlayerS has played. Their player choices against everyone else shows that they don't think much of the other teams, other than maybe Liquid who they at least fielded Alicia and Min against.
Maybe EG will get SlayerS to field their top players again.
On November 19 2011 04:58 MurtiBing wrote: Ok, me flaming Mill for being unprofessional and whatnot was just stupid now that I think of it. They've played. They've lost. End of story.
Wanted to ask about other thing: Dont you guys think that IPL kinda broke Team Arena by inviting SlayerS - a team that no foreign clan can take down? Should they start a new round with foreign teams - Evil Geniuses, Liquid etc. or get more Korean teams?
Eventually Foreigner teams kinda need to be able to compete with the Korean teams. So no I don't mind
On November 19 2011 04:58 MurtiBing wrote: Ok, me flaming Mill for being unprofessional and whatnot was just stupid now that I think of it. They've played. They've lost. End of story.
Wanted to ask about other thing: Dont you guys think that IPL kinda broke Team Arena by inviting SlayerS - a team that no foreign clan can take down? Should they start a new round with foreign teams - Evil Geniuses, Liquid etc. or get more Korean teams?
Eventually Foreigner teams kinda need to be able to compete with the Korean teams. So no I don't mind
Well, they started the tournament with the thought that the best team prevails and earns the money. that's what they got now. Why shouldn't they invite a team - regardless whether Korean or not - just because they train harder and hence are better than most other teams?
edit: besides, slayers seem to give their b-team a chance to show themselves in front of the audience. If that's the case, I think some teams do have a good chance at dethroning them.
On November 22 2011 21:07 ItsMeDomLee wrote: Mon, 28 November, 20:00 – 23:00 DescriptionBroadcast of Team Arena: Fnatic vs It's Gosu IPL TV Live! from the IGN Studios
Sooo SlayerS has been removed from the IPL Team Arena?
I don't know where you found this, but fnatic vs it's gosu already happened in team arena, so it must be a mistake I think
On November 16 2011 09:54 MrMotionPicture wrote: Stephano all-kill!
Bullshit Stephano will all Kill lol he'd get stomped out easily by any of the following, MMA, BoxeR, GanZi, Puzzle, Taeja, Cella, YuGiOh, an Alicia so easily it wouldnt even be fucking funny lol.
On November 22 2011 21:07 ItsMeDomLee wrote: Mon, 28 November, 20:00 – 23:00 DescriptionBroadcast of Team Arena: Fnatic vs It's Gosu IPL TV Live! from the IGN Studios
Sooo SlayerS has been removed from the IPL Team Arena?
I don't know where you found this, but fnatic vs it's gosu already happened in team arena, so it must be a mistake I think
On November 22 2011 21:07 ItsMeDomLee wrote: Mon, 28 November, 20:00 – 23:00 DescriptionBroadcast of Team Arena: Fnatic vs It's Gosu IPL TV Live! from the IGN Studios
Sooo SlayerS has been removed from the IPL Team Arena?
I don't know where you found this, but fnatic vs it's gosu already happened in team arena, so it must be a mistake I think
It's on the IPL calendar.
If you look at the next team arena on the schedule after that, it says fnatic vs. it's gosu as well. its just a template...slayers is probably still playing.
Is IPL doing a thanksgiving Team Arena? If so, in the name of promoting competitive SC2 and raising awareness, watch it with your family and introduce them to the world of pro SC2. Turkey and Slayers, an excellent combination.
On November 16 2011 09:54 MrMotionPicture wrote: Stephano all-kill!
Bullshit Stephano will all Kill lol he'd get stomped out easily by any of the following, MMA, BoxeR, GanZi, Puzzle, Taeja, Cella, YuGiOh, an Alicia so easily it wouldnt even be fucking funny lol.
LOL you are typical stephano haters ( i saw several post of you about stephano ) especially when you say stephano cant winn dreamhack : ) its patetic when we know he is one of the best zerg in the world ( and im not a big fan of him ... )
and in your list, stephano can beat all of them too ( but close )
On November 16 2011 09:54 MrMotionPicture wrote: Stephano all-kill!
Bullshit Stephano will all Kill lol he'd get stomped out easily by any of the following, MMA, BoxeR, GanZi, Puzzle, Taeja, Cella, YuGiOh, an Alicia so easily it wouldnt even be fucking funny lol.
LOL you are typical stephano haters ( i saw several post of you about stephano ) especially when you say stephano cant winn dreamhack : ) its patetic when we know he is one of the best zerg in the world ( and im not a big fan of him ... )
and in your list, stephano can beat all of them too ( but close )
Not to shatter your dreams or anything, but you might want to consider reading the results of the match. Also, not sure if trolling?
On November 23 2011 06:05 Bagration wrote: Is IPL doing a thanksgiving Team Arena? If so, in the name of promoting competitive SC2 and raising awareness, watch it with your family and introduce them to the world of pro SC2. Turkey and Slayers, an excellent combination.
We are not doing one on Thanksgiving. We just don't feel like it would get enough viewership to warrant it, because we have a special guest team for the next one that most sc2 fans are not aware of. We're really excited to showcase them and we plan to be back the week after Thanksgiving!
On November 16 2011 09:54 MrMotionPicture wrote: Stephano all-kill!
Bullshit Stephano will all Kill lol he'd get stomped out easily by any of the following, MMA, BoxeR, GanZi, Puzzle, Taeja, Cella, YuGiOh, an Alicia so easily it wouldnt even be fucking funny lol.
LOL you are typical stephano haters ( i saw several post of you about stephano ) especially when you say stephano cant winn dreamhack : ) its patetic when we know he is one of the best zerg in the world ( and im not a big fan of him ... )
and in your list, stephano can beat all of them too ( but close )
Not to shatter your dreams or anything, but you might want to consider reading the results of the match. Also, not sure if trolling?
its stupid, he can be one of the best zerg in the world and loose some game against corean ^^ its not forbidden. AND it was BO1 ! this result means nothing lol
idra lost against livezerg in eswc, he stays for me one of the best zerg. Your conception of the rationality is strange
On November 16 2011 09:54 MrMotionPicture wrote: Stephano all-kill!
Bullshit Stephano will all Kill lol he'd get stomped out easily by any of the following, MMA, BoxeR, GanZi, Puzzle, Taeja, Cella, YuGiOh, an Alicia so easily it wouldnt even be fucking funny lol.
hm he has beaten MMA, Puzzle already. so i guess it would not be that easy for them and the rest you mentioned. of course stephano all-kill slayers is bullshit but he is a damn good zerg regardless. so stop the hatin' .. and the the hype too.
On November 23 2011 06:05 Bagration wrote: Is IPL doing a thanksgiving Team Arena? If so, in the name of promoting competitive SC2 and raising awareness, watch it with your family and introduce them to the world of pro SC2. Turkey and Slayers, an excellent combination.
We are not doing one on Thanksgiving. We just don't feel like it would get enough viewership to warrant it, because we have a special guest team for the next one that most sc2 fans are not aware of. We're really excited to showcase them and we plan to be back the week after Thanksgiving!
Thanks for the prompt reply. Excited for this surprise team.
On November 23 2011 06:05 Bagration wrote: Is IPL doing a thanksgiving Team Arena? If so, in the name of promoting competitive SC2 and raising awareness, watch it with your family and introduce them to the world of pro SC2. Turkey and Slayers, an excellent combination.
We are not doing one on Thanksgiving. We just don't feel like it would get enough viewership to warrant it, because we have a special guest team for the next one that most sc2 fans are not aware of. We're really excited to showcase them and we plan to be back the week after Thanksgiving!
Of the foreigner teams left that haven't played SlayerS in this yet, only EG stands a chance.
On November 23 2011 06:05 Bagration wrote: Is IPL doing a thanksgiving Team Arena? If so, in the name of promoting competitive SC2 and raising awareness, watch it with your family and introduce them to the world of pro SC2. Turkey and Slayers, an excellent combination.
We are not doing one on Thanksgiving. We just don't feel like it would get enough viewership to warrant it, because we have a special guest team for the next one that most sc2 fans are not aware of. We're really excited to showcase them and we plan to be back the week after Thanksgiving!
Of the foreigner teams left that haven't played SlayerS in this yet, only EG stands a chance.
honestly, I feel it would take a miracle / a partnership of teams to win -.- like I would almost give EG+Mouz together 40% chance of winning (given Slayers doesn't screw around..)
On November 23 2011 06:05 Bagration wrote: Is IPL doing a thanksgiving Team Arena? If so, in the name of promoting competitive SC2 and raising awareness, watch it with your family and introduce them to the world of pro SC2. Turkey and Slayers, an excellent combination.
We are not doing one on Thanksgiving. We just don't feel like it would get enough viewership to warrant it, because we have a special guest team for the next one that most sc2 fans are not aware of. We're really excited to showcase them and we plan to be back the week after Thanksgiving!
Of the foreigner teams left that haven't played SlayerS in this yet, only EG stands a chance.
EG already had the chance to play, and they were defeated by Reign. Granted, this was before they had Huk and they didnt use Puma, Demuslim was not as good as he is now, and Idra only won 1 game before getting sniped, but it still would not be fair to other teams that have not played yet.
On November 23 2011 06:05 Bagration wrote: Is IPL doing a thanksgiving Team Arena? If so, in the name of promoting competitive SC2 and raising awareness, watch it with your family and introduce them to the world of pro SC2. Turkey and Slayers, an excellent combination.
We are not doing one on Thanksgiving. We just don't feel like it would get enough viewership to warrant it, because we have a special guest team for the next one that most SC2 fans are not aware of. We're really excited to showcase them and we plan to be back the week after Thanksgiving!
On November 23 2011 06:05 Bagration wrote: Is IPL doing a thanksgiving Team Arena? If so, in the name of promoting competitive SC2 and raising awareness, watch it with your family and introduce them to the world of pro SC2. Turkey and Slayers, an excellent combination.
We are not doing one on Thanksgiving. We just don't feel like it would get enough viewership to warrant it, because we have a special guest team for the next one that most sc2 fans are not aware of. We're really excited to showcase them and we plan to be back the week after Thanksgiving!
Of the foreigner teams left that haven't played SlayerS in this yet, only EG stands a chance.
I think you need to expand your definition of foreigner. The next team is non-Korean but we believe stands a good chance of beating SlayerS.
On November 23 2011 06:05 Bagration wrote: Is IPL doing a thanksgiving Team Arena? If so, in the name of promoting competitive SC2 and raising awareness, watch it with your family and introduce them to the world of pro SC2. Turkey and Slayers, an excellent combination.
We are not doing one on Thanksgiving. We just don't feel like it would get enough viewership to warrant it, because we have a special guest team for the next one that most SC2 fans are not aware of. We're really excited to showcase them and we plan to be back the week after Thanksgiving!
How intriguing.
yeah sure flash bisu and jaedong are going to teamup
On November 23 2011 06:05 Bagration wrote: Is IPL doing a thanksgiving Team Arena? If so, in the name of promoting competitive SC2 and raising awareness, watch it with your family and introduce them to the world of pro SC2. Turkey and Slayers, an excellent combination.
We are not doing one on Thanksgiving. We just don't feel like it would get enough viewership to warrant it, because we have a special guest team for the next one that most sc2 fans are not aware of. We're really excited to showcase them and we plan to be back the week after Thanksgiving!
Of the foreigner teams left that haven't played SlayerS in this yet, only EG stands a chance.
I think you need to expand your definition of foreigner.
I feel like this is a dead giveaway for FXO being the next team, but who knows..
Well, definitely looking forward to the next games. Even if it is SlayerS's lower roster, they showed such a good performance, and that makes me want to root for them, since amongst the GSL they are kind of the "forgotten ones". Nevertheless, I guess I still swing towards the non-Koreans, considering it's eternal glory and immortality for the team that manages to take them down!
Gamania? err... I mean Gama Bears? Or Tt Apollos? Other than that... maybe typeII? they fit the foreigner, yet not foreigner, but not sure whether they have a chance at all... :-/ Gosugamers, half of their official roster are Koreans.
Gamania Bears? Sen might could win one or two games, but nobody else on that team is anywhere near Korean level. They were last place in the Taiwanese league the season before Sen joined. No Chinese team/player has shown anything other than being half a year behind the rest of the world in the meta-game.
On November 29 2011 09:32 Devolved wrote: Gamania Bears? Sen might could win one or two games, but nobody else on that team is anywhere near Korean level. They were last place in the Taiwanese league the season before Sen joined. No Chinese team/player has shown anything other than being half a year behind the rest of the world in the meta-game.
xiaOt showed so much promise ... and then he quit to become his team's manager.
im gonna guess empire. itsgosu isnt deep enough to compete with slayers imo, and if its a "foreign team", quantic doesnt have anyone who can compete with koreans, other than sase, although QIM could have a chance to beat slayers('s b-team) if they get to use mvp, nestea, happy, and losira.
On November 29 2011 16:06 swordboy wrote: AFAIK, Tyloo is not even the top 4 team in China, don't expect too much from them.
What are the top 4 Chinese teams, then? I can only recall Tyloo, nV, and WE off the top of my head.
There is a SC2 team league with 8 teams in China in its last round now, the rank is as follows: Dream (F91, LoveTT) iG (XiGua, Macsed) WE (Loner, Lovecd) Panda (Lyn, Toodming) TyLoo (Uhen, Jim, Infi)
Haha that wasn't even close. Perhaps IPL should switch to a proleague format, instead of king of the hill? More chances to see our favorite Slayers players. Versus another all-kill.
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