[MLG] Black Stream Discussion

On October 15 2011 14:01 andaylin wrote:
wbc is soooooo cheesy omg. is this how he makes it so far all the time?

hope mkp can hold this.

On October 15 2011 14:04 usethis2 wrote:
What do you mean marine king is "blocked"? More details please. Can't watch the stream here.

On October 15 2011 14:03 andaylin wrote:
so annoying watching this kind of play.

edit: wow what an idiot. bming MKP? hope mkp smashes this kid next game.

On October 15 2011 14:05 HawtLove wrote:
Miss-spelling /dance.... That's just disrespectful. Understandable to be proud of a win against a better player, but to parade it in his face......cmon dude.

On October 15 2011 14:05 HawtLove wrote:
Miss-spelling /dance.... That's just disrespectful. Understandable to be proud of a win against a better player, but to parade it in his face......cmon dude.

On October 15 2011 14:06 TeePee wrote:
I predict MKP will go boss mode and embarrass whatever this guys name is

On October 15 2011 14:06 Dominico wrote:
gogo WBC close it out!

On October 15 2011 14:10 laharl23 wrote:


really?

you must be one of WBC's two fans that exist

On October 15 2011 14:08 andaylin wrote:
own this cheeser MKP :D

On October 15 2011 14:05 Dominico wrote:

it's like dropping a mule...it's your way of telling them to leave.

On October 15 2011 14:10 andaylin wrote:

hey! cheesers have fans too!

On October 15 2011 14:11 Dominico wrote:

example = mkp.

On October 15 2011 14:10 Dominico wrote:

ironic that you are a fan of the biggest cheeser in the world.. lol.

On October 15 2011 14:12 -Strider- wrote:

IS HE FAN OF BITBYBIT????? OMG

On October 15 2011 14:13 Kieofire wrote:


Well I guess you don't watch MKP much.

On October 15 2011 14:14 Twelve12 wrote:


My thoughts exactly, it's like the last time he saw MKP was open season 2...

On October 15 2011 14:13 Toppp wrote:
WBC is known as a BM cheeser.

His nickname is 'wanna be cheesy' or 'wanna build cannons' amongst its Gosu.

On October 15 2011 14:14 Dissonance23 wrote:


Are you blind?

On October 15 2011 14:14 Dominico wrote:

he cheeses almost every game... lol?

On October 15 2011 14:16 popsilique wrote:
Whoawhoawhoawhoa. MKP lost? I'M following froM a Phone and all I've got is this foruM. Please Keep Posting! MKP hwaiting!

On October 15 2011 14:14 Dissonance23 wrote:


Are you blind?

On October 15 2011 14:17 justsayinbro wrote:
so g3 mkp cheesed wbc after wbc cheesed mkp in g1(proxy dt all in) and g2(warp prism play). seems like justice to me

On October 15 2011 14:16 Dominico wrote:

go watch his games..and stop letting your fandom cloud your thoughts.

On October 15 2011 14:18 andaylin wrote:

mkp hardly cheesed, wbc just couldn't defend a standard 2 rax pressure expo, lol

On October 15 2011 14:18 dmnum wrote:

Just so you know: Steve jobs died and REM disbanded. Now you can leave 6 months ago.

On October 15 2011 14:19 Dominico wrote:

mkp fans are the best. so oblivious to what he is, they can't even see straight.

On October 15 2011 14:23 dmnum wrote:

I'm not a MKP fan. In fact I don't even like him that much. To me, he's not code S material anymore and should get down to code A. But that's because he's like polt: very mid game agressive play, and as time passes polt will probably get figured out too. You seriously need to learn how to tell cheese from agressive play.

On October 15 2011 14:05 Dominico wrote:

mkp is more bm by not leaving.

On October 15 2011 14:17 Nagisama wrote:


I believe you need minimum silver mlg membership to view black/white streams.

On October 15 2011 14:28 Dominico wrote:

lol i'm saying mkp cheeses in almost every i see him play...and when he doesn't, he loses.. 1-1-1 vs protoss isn't aggressive play, and proxy 2 rax isn't just "aggressive"...

On October 15 2011 14:33 dmnum wrote:

What? I fail to see MKP actually 1-1-1 every game. In fact his TvP is known to be based around a ghost push. And the last TvZ he played was against DRG where he didn't even 2 rax IIRC, he beat DRG by doing a mass hellion push and getting DRG with his pants down, lol.

On October 15 2011 14:33 dmnum wrote:

What? I fail to see MKP actually 1-1-1 every game. In fact his TvP is known to be based around a ghost push. And the last TvZ he played was against DRG where he didn't even 2 rax IIRC, he beat DRG by doing a mass hellion push and getting DRG with his pants down, lol.

On October 15 2011 14:34 Dominico wrote:

watch the up and down matches, i believe he 1-1-1'd every game. Also that build vs DRG is a complete coinflip build. If your opponent makes roaches, you lose.

On October 15 2011 14:37 Kieofire wrote:


Why are you trying so hard to bash MKP?

On October 15 2011 14:37 Twelve12 wrote:

i did watch the up and down matches, he 1/1/1'd in ONE game, the game after that vs toss the toss tried to dt rush him and he held it with barracks expand into a counter push

On October 15 2011 14:41 BronzeKnee wrote:
Did anyone else notice that inbetween the games between WBC and MarineKing VPNerski pressed the button that shows the list of recently joined chat channels, and he had NIGGERS9789798 on the list, and he kept flashing it?

I found that disturbing, obviously he (or someone) had recently typed it, making you wonder what was on their mind, and there was no reason to be joining chat channels or keep flashing it when waiting for an invite to a game.

On October 15 2011 14:45 Lunares wrote:
Wow, apparently Polt lost! It's a pretty clear path for MKP to get out of the open undefeated then.

On October 15 2011 14:49 jnsjr wrote:


Glad I didn't see that. It's disappointing to say the least.

On October 15 2011 15:02 hitpoint wrote:


Not that big of a deal. You're going to get the guy fired or something. Who knows why he joined that channel. As far as I know you can never remove them from that list.

On October 15 2011 15:09 hitpoint wrote:


Well I didn't know that about the list. He might not either.

Spamming clicking menu buttons is so common between games. I do it absent-mindedly, every streamer does it.

And he probably didn't join it today. It may have been months ago. I still have channels on my saved list from the patch day when channels were introduced

On October 15 2011 15:23 BronzeKnee wrote:
I do, because he could have spoken about how that word is inappropriate and doesn't represent the actions of MLG, rather than just silently flashing it. If someone wants to send a message like that, they often do it subtle ways, they won't just come out and scream it, because that will 100% get them fired.

Funny it was on the "Black Stream" too huh...

On October 15 2011 15:31 BronzeKnee wrote:
This is a lot different than being on TV with your fly open. This is like going on a TV show with a Nazi Flag on your shirt, then quickly taking it off and acting like nothing happened.

On October 15 2011 15:33 Grebliv wrote:


You do realize about 10x more people will notice that message now because of you going around on your crusade over something that was most likely unintentional and or someone else's fault.

Should I be calling you out for a permban from tl and mlg streamwatching since you're obviously spreading hate in subtle ways?!, notify some staff and give the guy a chance to defend himself behind the scenes if it's really that much of an issue for you.

On October 15 2011 15:47 Grebliv wrote:
If the guy is doing this intentionally he'll probably get it sooner than later at least if he "keeps up" with his subliminal messaging,

On October 15 2011 15:52 BronzeKnee wrote:


Thank God this isn't how the justice system in the United States works. "Oh that guy murdered your daughter? Well sooner or later he'll get it if he "keeps up" with it."

An apology and explanation is all we really need here. Explain why the channel was on there, explain what happened to the people responsible for putting the channel on there, and state opposition to the use of that word. That is it.

But by trying to act like it wasn't a big deal, or just brush it under the carpet because he will somehow get his due later is the same as supporting the statement in itself.

"The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it."
-Albert Einstein

On October 15 2011 15:58 Grebliv wrote:


Like I said contact MLG, they talk to the guy and then they try to find out what happened and why and then sincerely apologize/explain. No need to make a fuss unless it gets entirely ignored, then you have a point.

And this isn't him reading out nazi declarations like your similies imply. You see we don't know if he actually murdered anyone, we know he was in the vicinity and may or may not have seen the deed happen and/or committed it himself, it's a bit too early to send the guy on death row don't you think.

On October 15 2011 15:59 BronzeKnee wrote:


Well to make the analogy equivalent, this like finding a dead body, and saying "Well sooner or later the murdered get it if he "keeps up" with it" instead of actively attempting to find said murderer.

On October 15 2011 16:01 BronzeKnee wrote:
Well to make the analogy equivalent, this is like finding a dead body, and then saying it isn't a big deal, the person responsible will get their due eventually, and by reporting the dead body in News Papers we are just blowing the whole thing out of proportion.

Now no one died here, but the person who did this also won't be going to jail.

On October 15 2011 16:02 hitpoint wrote:


I believe they said the beta streams start at 10 AM est. One of the standard streams starts at 11, and the other starts at 12.

On October 15 2011 16:04 Tehs Tehklz wrote:
Here is another one:

Someone invited the MLG casting account to this racist chatroom. The caster is quick enough that no one notices it. The inviter is disappointed that his prank was not noticed or that no one said anything about it; so, he goes to the Team Liquid forums to raise a stink.

DUN DUN DUN!

On October 15 2011 16:21 BronzeKnee wrote:
I'll submit this last post and move on from this discussion.

Instead of condemning the action and asking how and when it will be rectified, you guys want to brush it under the carpet. Essentially, because you believe it was a mistake (with no evidence) and don't seriously consider the possibility of it not being a mistake, you're allowing these kinds of actions to happen intentionally.

If you decided to condemn the action and ask how and when it will be rectified instead, it would discourage people from intentionally trying stuff like this, because they know they will get in trouble and that no one "like you" will come to their defense screaming "it isn't a big deal, it was just a mistake!" when they have absolutely no clue if it was a mistake or not.

The line of thinking that you guys are displaying is dangerous. When governments want to take away the rights of their people, they don't take them all away at once, it would cause a revolution. Instead they do it one right at time, so people will come out and say "this one right isn't a big deal, no worries." And when the government has taken away all but one right, the same people come out and say "we've lost all our right except this one, does it really matter if we have this one?"

Yes, yes it does matter.

On October 15 2011 14:54 TheEconomist wrote:


Polt n MKP have similar styles, and Polt just lost, and MKP plays the guy who beat polt...

I don't think its as "clear" as you would think

Then again, Goswser plays a guy whos had ZvZ the whole way thru, and MKP plays Hwangsin...

Don't think those are easy games by any means

On October 15 2011 20:30 Blasterion wrote:
Polt is strongest at his TvT after all

On October 15 2011 23:29 BronzeKnee wrote:
I cannot wait for Hwangsin vs MKP. I hope it gets casted.

Say what you will about Hwangsin's cheesy style, it is really easy to learn from, and that is why I enjoy him so much.

On October 15 2011 23:43 Nerski wrote:
That whole chat channel thing was an accident but obviously still isn't good. We get spammed channels and as a result it was on the list. We've taken steps to push the channel down the list so it can't even coincidentally happen again. My apologies that such a thing would have shown up at all while i was clicking around the screen waiting on the invite to the next match.

I hope everyone is enjoying the event otherwise and we are all looking forward to day 2.

On October 16 2011 00:16 Blasterion wrote:
omg.... MKP is holding!


MKP HOLDS
MKP HOLDS
MKP HOLDS
!!!!!

On October 16 2011 00:29 BronzeKnee wrote:
Nuts. That is tough to stop against someone with MKP's control. Maybe better Sentry spread and Guardian Shield would have done it.

On October 16 2011 00:26 MLG_Lee wrote:
Hey everyone,

RE: the chat channel popping up on Nerski. I've looked into it quite a bit and spent some time talking with Nerski.

Chat channel invites get sent to casters and players all the time. All the casters are sharing casting accounts to smooth out the production flow (invites are easier for the players if it's always coming from the same account). Nerski was a lil spazzy yesterday and brought the chat channel list up a couple times when it was on there. We had not cleared the channel list before he went on air and it was still up there. So really it was just Nerski's bad luck that it happened to pop up on him.

Not his fault but definitely unfortunate that it happened. It's bullshit and crap that people think it's okay to do that where it might get seen on a live stream. It's definitely NOT something that MLG endorses or feels is okay. And Nerski feels terrible about it.

Again, apologies and it won't happen again.

On October 16 2011 00:44 UserErrOr413 wrote:
Wow just re-watched MKP vs Hwangsin game 1. That really was a sick hold.

On October 16 2011 01:26 dre2k wrote:
Jinro will get stomped in pool play anyway.

On October 16 2011 01:16 BronzeKnee wrote:
I've heard all this stuff about Jinro being one of the first Terrans to not one base all the time, but every time I watch him, he is one basing and doing really cheesy builds.

The first I watched him, he lost to MC trying to do a Thor rush, and it has been downhill since.

On October 16 2011 01:34 Taf the Ghost wrote:


He got really well known for fast expanding, so doing cheesy stuff is normally to his advantage. And in an open bracket match against a player he doesn't know, a GSL Terran Bunker rush is the proper choice. Since Losira loses to it 50% of the time, it had a good chance of succeeding.

On October 16 2011 01:37 BronzeKnee wrote:


Well if he is really the better player, he shouldn't have to cheese to win, and in fact the cheese play is (or should be) more of a risk for Jinro than his standard play if indeed he is the better player. But of course 2 Rax is a particular cheese... maybe it isn't so risky... I will just leave it at that, and just hope I get to see some Jinro macro play.

On October 16 2011 01:45 BronzeKnee wrote:
Guess so. Jinro is facing a Protoss coming up, we'll see what he can do, for whatever reason he has struggled vs Protoss for a while.

The Beta Streams are now casting some odd choices for games.

On October 16 2011 01:46 Blasterion wrote:

not much options since its open bracket. thats why i am not LR'ing right now

On October 16 2011 01:28 Blasterion wrote:

that's no way to talk on the Teamliquid forums about a liquidite =(

On October 16 2011 01:49 dre2k wrote:

sorry for being honest

On October 16 2011 01:56 JiYan wrote:
im surprised to find that he just talks fast in general, thats not just his casting voice