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On October 15 2011 15:33 Grebliv wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 15:23 BronzeKnee wrote:
I do, because he could have spoken about how that word is inappropriate and doesn't represent the actions of MLG, rather than just silently flashing it. If someone wants to send a message like that, they often do it subtle ways, they won't just come out and scream it, because that will 100% get them fired.
Funny it was on the "Black Stream" too huh... You do realize about 10x more people will notice that message now because of you going around on your crusade over something that was most likely unintentional and or someone else's fault. Should I be calling you out for a permban from tl and mlg streamwatching since you're obviously spreading hate in subtle ways?!, notify some staff and give the guy a chance to defend himself behind the scenes if it's really that much of an issue for you.
It doesn't matter who is at fault. What happened was wrong. CBS got fined ~$500,000 for the wardrobe malfunction, because it was wrong even though they had nothing to do with it if it was indeed planned. And if it was an accident and still had to pay for their accident, just like you have to pay (or your insurance) if you accidently hit a car with your car.
This might have been an accident, flashing the word "niggers" twice on the Black Stream (though I would argue all signs point to it not being an accident). But that doesn't make it ok, and VPNerski should have to pay for his accident too.
I don't blame people for accidents or mistakes, but I do ask they pay for them. I'm shocked you guys aren't asking the same, and aren't upset about this. And yes, if you think I am obviously spreading hate, you should report me.
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Well if he hit a car with his own didn't you just plow down a whole truckload of schoolchildren?
Pay what? If the guy is doing this intentionally he'll probably get it sooner than later at least if he "keeps up" with his subliminal messaging, If he didn't mean to do this he'll undoubtedly sincerely apologize whether he realized the message was there or not (seeing it and then deciding to discreetly hide may not be malicious despite all your allegations (pointing it out will just make more people see it)).
You've probably spread that word out to more people now than he did btw...
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On October 15 2011 15:47 Grebliv wrote:
If the guy is doing this intentionally he'll probably get it sooner than later at least if he "keeps up" with his subliminal messaging,
Thank God this isn't how the justice system in the United States works. "Oh that guy murdered your daughter? Well sooner or later he'll get it if he "keeps up" with it."
An apology and explanation is all we really need here. Explain why the channel was on there, explain what happened to the people responsible for putting the channel on there, and state opposition to the use of that word. That is it.
But by trying to act like it wasn't a big deal, or just brush it under the carpet because he will somehow get his due later is the same as supporting the statement in itself.
"The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it."
-Albert Einstein
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Uh, can't anyone just invite you to a chat room against your will? Or couldn't they before and it just got changed?
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Sure, but no one can force you into a chat room against will, you can decline. Nor can anyone force you not to clear your list but joining other channels if you joined by accident, you could clear the list. Nor can anyone force you from not clicking your chat channel list when you have racist statements on it. Nor can anyone force you from not questioning why that was there in the first place instead of being silent.
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On October 15 2011 15:52 BronzeKnee wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 15:47 Grebliv wrote:
If the guy is doing this intentionally he'll probably get it sooner than later at least if he "keeps up" with his subliminal messaging, Thank God this isn't how the justice system in the United States works. "Oh that guy murdered your daughter? Well sooner or later he'll get it if he "keeps up" with it." An apology and explanation is all we really need here. Explain why the channel was on there, explain what happened to the people responsible for putting the channel on there, and state opposition to the use of that word. That is it. But by trying to act like it wasn't a big deal, or just brush it under the carpet because he will somehow get his due later is the same as supporting the statement in itself. " The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it." -Albert Einstein
Like I said contact MLG, they talk to the guy and then they try to find out what happened and why and then sincerely apologize/explain. No need to make a fuss unless it gets entirely ignored, then you have a point.
And this isn't him reading out nazi declarations like your similies imply. You see we don't know if he actually murdered anyone, we know he was in the vicinity and may or may not have seen the deed happen and/or committed it himself, it's a bit too early to send the guy on death row don't you think.
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On October 15 2011 15:58 Grebliv wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 15:52 BronzeKnee wrote:On October 15 2011 15:47 Grebliv wrote:
If the guy is doing this intentionally he'll probably get it sooner than later at least if he "keeps up" with his subliminal messaging, Thank God this isn't how the justice system in the United States works. "Oh that guy murdered your daughter? Well sooner or later he'll get it if he "keeps up" with it." An apology and explanation is all we really need here. Explain why the channel was on there, explain what happened to the people responsible for putting the channel on there, and state opposition to the use of that word. That is it. But by trying to act like it wasn't a big deal, or just brush it under the carpet because he will somehow get his due later is the same as supporting the statement in itself. " The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it." -Albert Einstein Like I said contact MLG, they talk to the guy and then they try to find out what happened and why and then sincerely apologize/explain. No need to make a fuss unless it gets entirely ignored, then you have a point. And this isn't him reading out nazi declarations like your similies imply. You see we don't know if he actually murdered anyone, we know he was in the vicinity and may or may not have seen the deed happen and/or committed it himself, it's a bit too early to send the guy on death row don't you think.
Well to make the analogy equivalent, this is like finding a dead body, and then saying it isn't a big deal, the person responsible will get their due eventually, and by reporting the dead body in News Papers we are just blowing the whole thing out of proportion.
Now no one died here, but the person who did this also won't be going to jail.
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Hey guys what time does it start tomorrow morning when should i set my alarm?
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On October 15 2011 15:59 BronzeKnee wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 15:58 Grebliv wrote:On October 15 2011 15:52 BronzeKnee wrote:On October 15 2011 15:47 Grebliv wrote:
If the guy is doing this intentionally he'll probably get it sooner than later at least if he "keeps up" with his subliminal messaging, Thank God this isn't how the justice system in the United States works. "Oh that guy murdered your daughter? Well sooner or later he'll get it if he "keeps up" with it." An apology and explanation is all we really need here. Explain why the channel was on there, explain what happened to the people responsible for putting the channel on there, and state opposition to the use of that word. That is it. But by trying to act like it wasn't a big deal, or just brush it under the carpet because he will somehow get his due later is the same as supporting the statement in itself. " The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it." -Albert Einstein Like I said contact MLG, they talk to the guy and then they try to find out what happened and why and then sincerely apologize/explain. No need to make a fuss unless it gets entirely ignored, then you have a point. And this isn't him reading out nazi declarations like your similies imply. You see we don't know if he actually murdered anyone, we know he was in the vicinity and may or may not have seen the deed happen and/or committed it himself, it's a bit too early to send the guy on death row don't you think. Well to make the analogy equivalent, this like finding a dead body, and saying "Well sooner or later the murdered get it if he "keeps up" with it" instead of actively attempting to find said murderer.
You don't use the press to find the murderer, like I said go to MLG, then go to the public with an actual scandal if MLG doesn't care!
This way you're just spreading the message even more whether you like it or not.
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So, the person on the account (at some point, maybe in any of the other MLG tournaments) was expecting to be invited to a game. Something pops up and he automatically clicks accept. Turns out, it was a chat channel someone (probably from Reddit) invited him to. Today while streaming, the caster shows his chat channels, but doesn't notice. Then shows them again later, but this time he notices the racist named one. He thinks "oh crap, I hope no one saw that" and closed it, saying nothing, not wanting to call attention to it.
Huh.
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On October 15 2011 16:01 BronzeKnee wrote:
Well to make the analogy equivalent, this is like finding a dead body, and then saying it isn't a big deal, the person responsible will get their due eventually, and by reporting the dead body in News Papers we are just blowing the whole thing out of proportion.
Now no one died here, but the person who did this also won't be going to jail.
You're saying that way to early, hey this guy got murdered 1.5 hrs ago and this guy found in the vicinity hasn't been jailed yet! scandalous! No one will get jailed, call the press!
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On October 15 2011 15:59 ChuCky.Ca wrote:
Hey guys what time does it start tomorrow morning when should i set my alarm?
I believe they said the beta streams start at 10 AM est. One of the standard streams starts at 11, and the other starts at 12.
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I actually went to the public (in this thread my first post asking if anyone else saw it) because I didn't know if anyone else saw it after getting this response from MLG: "I would hope that you mis-read something but until you let MLG know where it was by posting the time here, there isnt much they can do."
I didn't realize you could simply rewind the entire stream until later.
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On October 15 2011 16:02 hitpoint wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 15:59 ChuCky.Ca wrote:
Hey guys what time does it start tomorrow morning when should i set my alarm? I believe they said the beta streams start at 10 AM est. One of the standard streams starts at 11, and the other starts at 12.
meh 11 it is then thx
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Here is another one:
Someone invited the MLG casting account to this racist chatroom. The caster is quick enough that no one notices it. The inviter is disappointed that his prank was not noticed or that no one said anything about it; so, he goes to the Team Liquid forums to raise a stink.
DUN DUN DUN!
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On October 15 2011 16:04 Tehs Tehklz wrote:
Here is another one:
Someone invited the MLG casting account to this racist chatroom. The caster is quick enough that no one notices it. The inviter is disappointed that his prank was not noticed or that no one said anything about it; so, he goes to the Team Liquid forums to raise a stink.
DUN DUN DUN!
haha
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I'll submit this last post and move on from this discussion.
Instead of condemning the action and asking how and when it will be rectified, you guys want to brush it under the carpet. Essentially, because you believe it was a mistake (with no evidence) and don't seriously consider the possibility of it not being a mistake, you're allowing these kinds of actions to happen intentionally.
If you decided to condemn the action and ask how and when it will be rectified instead, it would discourage people from intentionally trying stuff like this, because they know they will get in trouble and that no one "like you" will come to their defense screaming "it isn't a big deal, it was just a mistake!" when you have absolutely no clue if it was a mistake or not, even though you would probably agree the action was wrong.
The line of thinking that you guys are displaying is dangerous. When governments want to take away the rights of their people, they don't take them all away at once, it would cause a revolution. Instead they do it one right at time, so people will come out and say "this one right isn't a big deal, sure it isn't good if we lose it, but no blood should be shed over this single right." And when the government has taken away all but one right, the same people come out and say "we've lost all our right except this one, does it really matter if we have this one?"
Yes, yes it does matter. You need to have the fortitude to stand against all injustices, big and small, intentional or accidental. If you can't stand up to a small injustice here (on the internet of all places) what makes you think you'll be able to when it really matters in life?
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Look, all I am saying is that Bronze Knee should he expelled from his junior high school and sent to prison, because what I suspect he has done is exactly like murder.
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On October 15 2011 16:21 BronzeKnee wrote:
I'll submit this last post and move on from this discussion.
Instead of condemning the action and asking how and when it will be rectified, you guys want to brush it under the carpet. Essentially, because you believe it was a mistake (with no evidence) and don't seriously consider the possibility of it not being a mistake, you're allowing these kinds of actions to happen intentionally.
If you decided to condemn the action and ask how and when it will be rectified instead, it would discourage people from intentionally trying stuff like this, because they know they will get in trouble and that no one "like you" will come to their defense screaming "it isn't a big deal, it was just a mistake!" when they have absolutely no clue if it was a mistake or not.
The line of thinking that you guys are displaying is dangerous. When governments want to take away the rights of their people, they don't take them all away at once, it would cause a revolution. Instead they do it one right at time, so people will come out and say "this one right isn't a big deal, no worries." And when the government has taken away all but one right, the same people come out and say "we've lost all our right except this one, does it really matter if we have this one?"
Yes, yes it does matter.
I'm sorry but I'm just way more afraid of the possibility of someone here getting hanged for an unknown/unintended mistake rather than the same person trying to subliminally endorse racism.
Let MLG figure it out, if the guy is bonkers then he'll be let go but if he isn't I really don't see how he shouldn't be given a chance...
And if he apologizes and says racism is bad and that he'd never endorse it I don't see how he's done anything worse than you have done here tbh (that is see racism and say it's bad.)
Sure he didn't open up that window and mouse click the channel and say "THIS IS BAD" like I assume you would but then again I fail to see how that is a better response over just trying to hide it (that is if he even noticed the channel being there) so people don't notice and thus not spreading the unwanted message any further.
If the guy is found to be guilty above reasonable doubt (not just: he may have done it and needs to be punished) then I'm all for him being let go. But just like in court you're not supposed to hang the guy until after sentencing.
P.S. and afaik you could get dragged into channels until recently and this may well be residue since last mlg, I doubt these accounts get used all that much...
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