EPT[ESEA] Season 10 - Page 7
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dbizzle
United States395 Posts
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tok
United States691 Posts
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SecondChance
Australia603 Posts
On October 12 2011 16:17 dbizzle wrote: I never commented on EGMC or called any league a backyard league. Incontrol really loves to twist words around to make a point. Can we stop the bullshit please? Stop diverting the argument to lesser issues like 'name calling' when the heart of the issue is the apparent major problems with how the tournament was run and the backwards logic you've kept skirting around the entire thread. From an observers standpoint, I completely agree with iNcontrol. | ||
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Deleted User 47542
1484 Posts
And seriously rofl @ $9 entry fee, I mean for CS paying for premium and playing in leagues is worth it because you get access to the PUG system which is probably was probably the best way to play 1.6 back in the day if you wern't scrimming with friends. Of course 1.6/Source are dying now, and with CS:GO having its own 5v5 match making system, ESEA is doomed to die. SC2 was one way they could be mainstream again but they fucked that up pretty hard. | ||
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Shirin
Hungary11 Posts
Im sorry but this is ridiculus, as im seeing this this guy should start looking for a real job, cause this unknown leagues going to get out of business fast. | ||
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shavi
United States127 Posts
There are better community run cups (ie: not backed by organizations) than this has been from a spectator point of view... considering those actually show us game (and I'm not just talking about finals, I'm talking about any series from this season.. lol). | ||
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jvo
United States122 Posts
da_bears (dbizzle) was way more successful at cs 1.5/1.6 than iNcontroL is at sc2 currently | ||
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AzureD
United States320 Posts
Some constructive criticism for the future. It seems you have some leeway for time matches should be played at. Perhaps make certain you have time for the finals and maybe divide up less time before that? Problems occur. Give yourself breathing room. Being so restrictive for the finals but having seemingly lots of leeway before it seems like a very odd choice. Formatting and navigation of the site should be cleaner as well. A LOT of leagues make this mistake though so it is not unusual. Finally you seem to have pretty poor advertising. I had no idea this existed for a long time. You only need to do a lot of advertising the first one or two times and that early exposure can carry you from there as other people will start to advertise you for free if it is a good product. | ||
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HaruRH
Singapore2780 Posts
On October 12 2011 19:15 jvo wrote: well if this going to be a player vs player (or admin vs player) argument, i have this to say. da_bears (dbizzle) was way more successful at cs 1.5/1.6 than iNcontroL is at sc2 currently This is not a stand for argument. Being successful does not mean you are reasonable. If you care to read these little posts, you would realise that his reputation failed him. | ||
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n Y n
United States24 Posts
On October 12 2011 07:07 iNcontroL wrote: the worst part is how delusional this clown is... "ESEA is great just ask the other teams!" ESEA IS Great! I have always had an easy time with the scheduling system and basically everything about ESEA. Coming from a CS player though, I have no idea how the Sc2 league went. Edit: Regardless if things didn't go extremely well in the past ESEA has always improved their league. Even when I thought ESEA couldn't get much better (around season 6/7) they have always found ways to improve their CS/CS:S leagues, so I am sure they will do the same with SC2. | ||
Noam
Israel2209 Posts
From an American organization with paid admin positions I would expect to see everyone responsible for this getting fired, an immediate apology being released with the league taking full responsibility for the horrible set of events that lead to this walkover and a promise to rectify this by issuing new rules and competent people to manage the league in the future. Instead the league is blaming one of the participating teams and moving on as if nothing happened. | ||
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n Y n
United States24 Posts
On October 12 2011 17:03 superbabosheki wrote: ESEA is basically telling the community they don't give a shit by having a walkover finals. y u no make smart flexible decision ESEA? And seriously rofl @ $9 entry fee, I mean for CS paying for premium and playing in leagues is worth it because you get access to the PUG system which is probably was probably the best way to play 1.6 back in the day if you wern't scrimming with friends. Of course 1.6/Source are dying now, and with CS:GO having its own 5v5 match making system, ESEA is doomed to die. SC2 was one way they could be mainstream again but they fucked that up pretty hard. Why would you complain about an entry fee to a league? All money from entry fees goes back to the prize pool, and the SC2 league doesn't require you to have premium so you aren't paying for something you aren't using. And to the contrary of what you are saying, ESEA league for CS:S and CS 1.6 has continued to grow every season so while maybe not as popular as they once were, they are not dying. | ||
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bokchoi
Korea (South)9498 Posts
On October 12 2011 16:35 tok wrote: Stop defending yourself here dbizzle, incontrol has full power and you have none. Post on ESEA if you are a man geoff Why? So CS players and a CS community can comment on a SC2 tournament? TeamLiquid is THE premier SC2 site. If there's a place for discussion about how a SC2 tournament/league was run, it is here. | ||
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n Y n
United States24 Posts
On October 12 2011 16:14 Xeris wrote: 1. "ESEA admins ASKED me to sign up Fnatic and I only signed up because I was told that times are set. Not the case at all... their online scheduling system is cumbersome as shit. You have to set a time on the website, then the other team can suggest a new team... and if you don't accept/reject it and suggest a new time in 24 hours the time they set becomes the official time. You have to sit and watch the stupid website all day. Especially because some teams are really bm and try to exploit this system to get free wins. They change the times constantly, then you don't pay attention for a day and get walk over'd." 2. "For a league that YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR, the admins are very hands off -- they make you do all the work. You have to schedule, you have to contact your opponents and deal with problems yourselves. Despite trying to get help, the admins never offered to try to talk to the other teams on my behalf to attempt to reschedule. As far as I know they do little / no work." 3. "The coverage is horrid. I just got a ton of spam email about upcoming matches, but that was it..." 4. "Those two leagues are light years more successful than ESEA, and yet ESEA is some big organization with a big staff list and supposedly funding. There's no excuse for that. This problem just highlights how incompetent this league is. I'd urge any team to boycott this league until it commits to hiring competent administrators, changing its format to something that works, and apologizing to the community for putting out a shitty product for two consecutive seasons." 5. "ESEA will never change unless people boycott it -- they make $8 per player, per season... that's several thousand dollars of free money they extract from the community without giving anything substantial back to it. ESEA is a leech, and unless the community takes action against it, it will have no incentive to change its practices." 6. I believe the NA scene deserves better. 1. I have never heard anyone complain about having to schedule their own match against another team on ESEA. That is completely ridiculous. Why is it ESEA's fault if you can't set aside 5 minutes to look at the match comm (where matches are scheduled) and find a time that both team's can play at. It is the team's responsibility to find a common time with the other team, not ESEA's. Pay attention to the match comm and scheduling won't be an issue at all.. it really takes almost no effort on your behalf. 2. The admins are hands off because of their automated system, (not sure how well it works for SC2 but for other games it is great) if you really needed an admins help you should have entered a support ticket. Why would the admins talk to the other teams for you? Are you so high and mighty that you can't communicate with your competitors to try and set up a mutually beneficial time to play your match at? 3. Yes, I agree the coverage for SC2 is quite awful, but it is something they are continually improving on (even with ESEA's other games the coverage gets better and better every season) 4. Light years more successful than ESEA? I don't think either of those leagues is successful enough to put out $80k+ prize pools every few months. Boycotting ESEA would do nothing but make them drop SC2 altogether, they are already trying to improve the league and you not playing in it isn't going to make them try and improve any more than they already do. 5. They don't make $8 per player every season from SC2, all money from entry fees into all leagues go into the prize pool. Their income comes from 14k+ CS 1.6/CS:S/TF2 monthly subscribers for their premium service (and again, they invest quite a bit of that back into improving ESEA). Saying they don't give anything back to the community is kind of ignorant. In season 2 of ESEA SC2 league there were 20 teams with about 6 players per team average times $8 for the league fee is $960 while the prize payout for the league season was $5000, so how are they not giving back to the community when their prize pool is $4040 more than the total fees from players they collected? 6. Give ESEA support and time to improve, and you won't find a better league. | ||
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JSy
149 Posts
On October 12 2011 05:13 AnodyneSea wrote: Anyone who has played in ESEA leagues or is familiar with ESEA knows how shit they really are. (sorry da_bears this is not directed at you but higher powers) In CS finals if you do NOT attend their lan they ban you for a year, what the helllllllll really. lpKane(he started esea with torbull) has been an unprofessional prick for years and refuses to change, his business model is just all wrong and moving in the wrong direction. Yet they're still in business because simply every other league in NA for CS has collapsed. I'm really sure I'm hearing both sides of this story but I feel like they should reschedule the grand finals of a league when your playing for money with professional teams. But if what da_bears is saying and that the scheduling was sound for awhile... i dunno ps really really hate esea After reading this, I kept reading ESEA as KESPA.  Anyway, hope you you guys get your shit together and establish yourselves as a well-respected SC2 clan league. Definitely wouldn't mind that in the scene. (if players---and not just iNcontroL---are that unhappy, there is shit needing getting together) | ||
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pzeros
United States2 Posts
On October 12 2011 15:14 SirScoots wrote: If this happened to Craig when he ran 3D, he would have gone batshit on the league, funny how times change. Pretty sad you would post something like this but after you allowed incontrol to run wild on these forums I guess it doesn't suprise me at all. Don't bash the people who have supported the game that you sold out on when you let gotfrag die. You know as well as anyone else how good kane and torbull have been to the FPS scene. | ||
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michielbrands
Netherlands1146 Posts
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Lakai
Canada315 Posts
On October 12 2011 03:21 iNcontroL wrote: It's shit like this that will forever hold ESEA as a second rate clan league that continues to disappoint and get lackluster attention. Woah. Maybe for SC2 but ESEA has always been a dominant name in esports for 1.6 and source. They might have done you wrong in your opinion but the sentence above was not needed and simply detracted from your statement. | ||
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rbkl
772 Posts
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Fadetowhite
Korea (South)302 Posts
i think everyone sees that giving a walkover finals is really bad, but shouldn´t x6 be a sport here and refuse to take a WO? this would be good for everyone. EG gets their rightful shot at the finals. x6 would make the win legit and if they lose they know that the better team at that time won+sportmanship. ESEA gets their finals played, viewership / publicity. just a suggestion. | ||
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