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blacklist_member
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia318 Posts
September 27 2011 09:07 GMT
#961
On September 27 2011 14:24 closter wrote:
Only Code B players were used.. ><
No Taeja, Ryung, Puzzle, MMA, Coca, Ganzi....

I Know, Its like they aren't taking this seriously enough
MC and MKP fighting ^^
j0ker
Profile Joined August 2011
275 Posts
September 27 2011 09:12 GMT
#962
On September 27 2011 12:18 Lysanias wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2011 12:12 Rarak wrote:
On September 27 2011 11:26 MrSalamandra wrote:
On September 27 2011 11:25 unit wrote:
did ret just lose due to overdroning?


About 90% of his losses are due to overdroning. If he doesn't lose to overdroning, he almost always wins due to beastly macro.


What does that tell you? if you are as greedy as possible its alot easier to have 'beastly macro'.


It's true the more drones the more you are to macro, but your selling him short by calling him greedy and in result being easy to macro.


ret has nearly flawless mechanics, nobody says that his crisp inject timings and such is "easy". that said, he plays an extremely greedy economic style that leads to a lot of dominant wins when he isn't punished but also leads to him dying to some relatively simple timing attacks. seeing a player have 80 drones at the 8 minute mark is shocking to viewers, but it isnt just perfect macro that gets you there, a lot of it is risk taking in forgoing units and/or tech.
Bosu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3247 Posts
September 27 2011 11:10 GMT
#963
Awesome series.
#1 Kwanro Fan
Vaelone
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Finland4400 Posts
September 27 2011 12:13 GMT
#964
Went to sleep straight after the games so a bit late on posting but have to say the matches were pretty good apart from the ending and was nice to see Jinro and Haypro pulling wins. It's a pity though that Slayers didn't have to field any of their Top6 players this time around, Alicia just isn't up there atm.
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-27 13:18:15
September 27 2011 13:14 GMT
#965
On September 27 2011 12:53 bkrow wrote:
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On September 27 2011 12:11 Talin wrote:
You do know it's quite pretentious to assume you know what's "overdroning" and droning just enough better than Ret, right?

Ret isn't known to be a coinflip kind of player, if he's doing something he knows exactly why and how to handle the consequences.

Occasionally his opponent will have better control and win a tight engagement, but that's normal and it's exactly what should separate the two players on a pro level.

It's not at all - we can see what both sides are doing - Ret can't, hence we may be able to deduce what is overdroning better than Ret in a given situation.


That's not the point though. People are implying that he should drone "less greedy" while in a game, so in that context it's his (player) perspective that is relevant, not the observer one.

He makes decisions based on what he scouts and based on his general game sense and knowledge of specific timings. Everyone can have bad luck scouting and make a bad read once in a while.

What is being suggested here, however, is that his decision making is flawed and/or that he has a coinflip playstyle (macro all-in or whatever the term was). Or in other words, they're either saying that they know Zerg better than Ret OR that he relies on sheer luck in the early game to win.

Either way, it's not a very good (or accurate) thing to say.
Liquid`Ret
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Netherlands4522 Posts
September 27 2011 13:29 GMT
#966
It is very offensive to me that random golds and plats would deem my style as macro allin or overdrone into loss with the ammount of time and thought i put into playing this game, so shut the fuck up you ignorant fucks :D
Team Liquid
Kira__
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden2672 Posts
September 27 2011 13:34 GMT
#967
On September 27 2011 22:29 Liquid`Ret wrote:
It is very offensive to me that random golds and plats would deem my style as macro allin or overdrone into loss with the ammount of time and thought i put into playing this game, so shut the fuck up you ignorant fucks :D


Oh shi-
The truth is, Yagami-kun, I suspect that you may in fact be Kira.
BarbieHsu
Profile Joined September 2011
574 Posts
September 27 2011 13:44 GMT
#968
On September 27 2011 22:29 Liquid`Ret wrote:
It is very offensive to me that random golds and plats would deem my style as macro allin or overdrone into loss with the ammount of time and thought i put into playing this game, so shut the fuck up you ignorant fucks :D


Putting a smiley after a paragraph instantly makes everything one says o.k.!
Huggerz
Profile Joined May 2011
Great Britain919 Posts
September 27 2011 13:51 GMT
#969
On September 27 2011 22:29 Liquid`Ret wrote:
It is very offensive to me that random golds and plats would deem my style as macro allin or overdrone into loss with the ammount of time and thought i put into playing this game, so shut the fuck up you ignorant fucks :D


'the fuck is a macro allin?
“It's like poker. You can play your best, but you've got to know when to fold your cards and take a rest, and know when to hold your cards, hold your breath and hope that nobody else is stacking the deck."
P3rytt
Profile Joined August 2011
137 Posts
September 27 2011 13:59 GMT
#970
On September 27 2011 22:44 BarbieHsu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2011 22:29 Liquid`Ret wrote:
It is very offensive to me that random golds and plats would deem my style as macro allin or overdrone into loss with the ammount of time and thought i put into playing this game, so shut the fuck up you ignorant fucks :D


Putting a smiley after a paragraph instantly makes everything one says o.k.!


Pretty sure he doesn't give a shit about what he says being considered o.k by you nor should he give a shit about what scrubs say about his play...
iNViCiOUZ
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany364 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-27 14:09:06
September 27 2011 14:08 GMT
#971
GoGo TeamLiquid! you can do this! : )

Also I Think Jinro should rename to JinrO

So it would be
TL(r)O
HayprO
HerO
JinrO


<3 RetO!
0neder
Profile Joined July 2009
United States3733 Posts
September 27 2011 14:08 GMT
#972
GJ Haypro Jinro and Ret. Not a bad showing guys!
Crais
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada2136 Posts
September 27 2011 14:45 GMT
#973
On September 27 2011 22:29 Liquid`Ret wrote:
It is very offensive to me that random golds and plats would deem my style as macro allin or overdrone into loss with the ammount of time and thought i put into playing this game, so shut the fuck up you ignorant fucks :D


Ret such a boss. Ignore the idiots.
RIP MBC Game Hero
Greggle
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1131 Posts
September 27 2011 14:51 GMT
#974
On September 27 2011 16:17 unit wrote:
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On September 27 2011 11:44 Gamegene wrote:
On September 27 2011 11:43 Inky87 wrote:
Hero! You were the chosen one! You were supposed to bring balance to the force!


No. There is another...

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


you have no idea how happy i would be if that happened....


Pretty sure Sage will be the one bringing balance to the force.
Life is too short to take it seriously.
Vul
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States685 Posts
September 27 2011 15:13 GMT
#975
On September 27 2011 18:07 blacklist_member wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2011 14:24 closter wrote:
Only Code B players were used.. ><
No Taeja, Ryung, Puzzle, MMA, Coca, Ganzi....

I Know, Its like they aren't taking this seriously enough


I only got to watch the first few games before I had to go, but at least Slayers using their B-team made the series competitive. HerO is good, but I don't think he has a great shot against against Taeja, Ryung, Puzzle, MMA, Coca or Ganzi. Any of those players could have realistically team killed last night.
ToD
Profile Joined December 2008
France222 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-27 15:21:47
September 27 2011 15:21 GMT
#976
On September 27 2011 22:29 Liquid`Ret wrote:
It is very offensive to me that random golds and plats would deem my style as macro allin or overdrone into loss with the ammount of time and thought i put into playing this game, so shut the fuck up you ignorant fucks :D


:D truth hurts ?
Commentator
critique
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States135 Posts
September 27 2011 15:34 GMT
#977
On September 27 2011 22:29 Liquid`Ret wrote:
It is very offensive to me that random golds and plats would deem my style as macro allin or overdrone into loss with the ammount of time and thought i put into playing this game, so shut the fuck up you ignorant fucks :D

I love Ret so much right now.
OhThatDang
Profile Joined August 2004
United States4685 Posts
September 27 2011 16:08 GMT
#978
On September 27 2011 22:29 Liquid`Ret wrote:
It is very offensive to me that random golds and plats would deem my style as macro allin or overdrone into loss with the ammount of time and thought i put into playing this game, so shut the fuck up you ignorant fucks :D


very professional man, dont let them get to you gg's
troi oi thang map nai!!!
Skyline026
Profile Joined September 2011
Netherlands1129 Posts
September 27 2011 16:37 GMT
#979
On September 27 2011 22:29 Liquid`Ret wrote:
It is very offensive to me that random golds and plats would deem my style as macro allin or overdrone into loss with the ammount of time and thought i put into playing this game, so shut the fuck up you ignorant fucks :D



Basicly what you are saying is: "Im better at this game than you, you cannot have an opinion"



Not cool.
Liquid'Ret - Mana - Liquid'Dota fighting!
Ownos
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2147 Posts
September 27 2011 16:37 GMT
#980
On September 27 2011 18:07 blacklist_member wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2011 14:24 closter wrote:
Only Code B players were used.. ><
No Taeja, Ryung, Puzzle, MMA, Coca, Ganzi....

I Know, Its like they aren't taking this seriously enough


When one sports team goes against another that is weaker, they see it as an opportunity for their bench players to get some practice/experience to round out the roster. In GSTL, it's good to have a well rounded team instead of having a few to carry it all and Slayers is most definitely a well rounded team, their "B-Team" should not be counted out at all.
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