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On September 28 2011 03:22 InvictusRage wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 03:17 Skyline026 wrote:On September 28 2011 03:14 NasD wrote:On September 28 2011 02:26 Skyline026 wrote:On September 28 2011 02:08 zarepath wrote:On September 28 2011 01:49 Skyline026 wrote:On September 28 2011 01:41 zarepath wrote:On September 28 2011 01:37 Skyline026 wrote:On September 27 2011 22:29 Liquid`Ret wrote:
It is very offensive to me that random golds and plats would deem my style as macro allin or overdrone into loss with the ammount of time and thought i put into playing this game, so shut the fuck up you ignorant fucks :D Basicly what you are saying is: "Im better at this game than you, you cannot have an opinion" Not cool. It's plenty cool -- he's a pro. Don't be a martyr. Yes, he is a pro. Makes money playing a game we all love. And because he is a pro he should accept the fact that people are gonna judge him. When he wins he gets cheers, when he loses people are gonna hate. And those people will all be worse at this game than he is. Smile and let it go. Calling people out like this isnt the way to go in my opinion. And yes, i can have one of those darn things! And he's not allowed to be offended when gold/plat players pretend to know why he lost better than he knows? He has every right to call somebody out, because that's what you're doing to him. Protect those poor gold/plat opinions, but scream injustice when pros want to defend their own stances? Gimme a break. Im not protecting anybody, the problem i have with his statement is the fact that because he is better at this game others should not be able to vent their feelings and opinions on the way he plays starcraft. He is allowed to be offended by these people. I just dont understand why he would be! With this reasoning, nobody not playing in the NBA should have an opinion on basketball, cause what do they know right? Ret isn't saying your opinion does or doesn't matter.. He's saying your opinion is wrong. Which, hot damn, is spot on. Opinions cannot be wrong. If trolling: 4/10 If stupid: 2/10 If the opinion is that 'Ret's style involves making too many drones; it just depends on them not attacking him and is therefore risky," and it seems to me that's the opinion Ret is responding to, that opinion definitely can be wrong. I don't know whether it is; I am not good enough at the game to see whether it's possible to play the way Ret does and still be safe. But it might be the case that if Ret has good enough scouting, that he can respond quickly enough. Here's the type of opinion that can't be wrong: red is my favorite color. It can't be wrong because it's an expression of your personal preference, and we're assuming that you aren't lying about your personal preference. But if we want to say that people have been expressing their opinions about whether or not Ret's style could be safe if he responded right, that's an opinion that is either true or false. Either they are right, and Ret is just taking a chance that his opponent won't pressure him, or Ret is right, and he can respond safely to pressure. Either way, your claim (that the opinion in question can't be wrong) is false.
How can someone's opinion about Ret making too much drones be wrong? An opinion is a subjective belief. There is no right or wrong in that.
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On September 28 2011 00:21 ToD wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2011 22:29 Liquid`Ret wrote:
It is very offensive to me that random golds and plats would deem my style as macro allin or overdrone into loss with the ammount of time and thought i put into playing this game, so shut the fuck up you ignorant fucks :D :D truth hurts ?
lol.....ToD.
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On September 28 2011 03:17 Skyline026 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 03:14 NasD wrote:On September 28 2011 02:26 Skyline026 wrote:On September 28 2011 02:08 zarepath wrote:On September 28 2011 01:49 Skyline026 wrote:On September 28 2011 01:41 zarepath wrote:On September 28 2011 01:37 Skyline026 wrote:On September 27 2011 22:29 Liquid`Ret wrote:
It is very offensive to me that random golds and plats would deem my style as macro allin or overdrone into loss with the ammount of time and thought i put into playing this game, so shut the fuck up you ignorant fucks :D Basicly what you are saying is: "Im better at this game than you, you cannot have an opinion" Not cool. It's plenty cool -- he's a pro. Don't be a martyr. Yes, he is a pro. Makes money playing a game we all love. And because he is a pro he should accept the fact that people are gonna judge him. When he wins he gets cheers, when he loses people are gonna hate. And those people will all be worse at this game than he is. Smile and let it go. Calling people out like this isnt the way to go in my opinion. And yes, i can have one of those darn things! And he's not allowed to be offended when gold/plat players pretend to know why he lost better than he knows? He has every right to call somebody out, because that's what you're doing to him. Protect those poor gold/plat opinions, but scream injustice when pros want to defend their own stances? Gimme a break. Im not protecting anybody, the problem i have with his statement is the fact that because he is better at this game others should not be able to vent their feelings and opinions on the way he plays starcraft. He is allowed to be offended by these people. I just dont understand why he would be! With this reasoning, nobody not playing in the NBA should have an opinion on basketball, cause what do they know right? Ret isn't saying your opinion does or doesn't matter.. He's saying your opinion is wrong. Which, hot damn, is spot on. Opinions cannot be wrong. If trolling: 4/10 If stupid: 2/10
Wasn't going to say anything until this post... Are you serious?
Opinion -- "a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty." (dictionary.com)
You can believe or have an opinion about the existence of unicorns (or any number of things) but that opinion can definitely be wrong in relation to reality.
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On September 28 2011 03:27 Skyline026 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 03:22 Flowjo wrote:On September 28 2011 01:45 Skyline026 wrote:On September 28 2011 01:39 ForgottenOne wrote:On September 28 2011 01:37 Skyline026 wrote:On September 27 2011 22:29 Liquid`Ret wrote:
It is very offensive to me that random golds and plats would deem my style as macro allin or overdrone into loss with the ammount of time and thought i put into playing this game, so shut the fuck up you ignorant fucks :D Basicly what you are saying is: "Im better at this game than you, you cannot have an opinion" Not cool. He isn't "Basicly" saying that, you ignorant fuck. :D You are from a 3rd world country, you cannot have an opinion. have fun with the ban  . Also, atleast understand what your statement is stating... Ill take the ban, cause saying you cannot give you opinion cause you arent as good at SC as someone isnt much different from saying you cannot give your opinion cause youre from a certain country, wear certain shoes or smell like catfood. Oooh the irony that im the one on trial now :D
No. You've been the one making dumb statements, yet still think you're in the right. Then when everyone gangs up on you and tells you to just stop you act like it was your plan all along to 'waste their time', when it really wasn't..
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he didn't say you can't give your opinion, he's saying, he thinks your opinion is ridiculous and you should stfu if you don't understand the game as well as he does. you very well can NOT stfu, and keep talking, he won't stop you personally, he's just stating that he disagrees with your opinion and would like you to stfu.
Make more drones! -> Macro games -> Macro All In now?
Make less drones -> Micro/fast games -> cheesy all in!
It just seems like, there's no keeping the populace happy. if you go long games, it's boring, it's macro cheese, it's lame.
if you do aggressive, it's cheese, it's lame, it's easy, blah blah blah.
basically if the pro's don't do the exact strat you have in mind for them to win, then it's lame, blame the organization, blame blizzard balance team, whine whine whine, until you find something new to complain about. This thread is a good example of that.
God, can't we just be happy we have awesome matches between great players to watch on a REGULAR basis?
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On September 28 2011 03:31 arsenic wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 03:17 Skyline026 wrote:On September 28 2011 03:14 NasD wrote:On September 28 2011 02:26 Skyline026 wrote:On September 28 2011 02:08 zarepath wrote:On September 28 2011 01:49 Skyline026 wrote:On September 28 2011 01:41 zarepath wrote:On September 28 2011 01:37 Skyline026 wrote:On September 27 2011 22:29 Liquid`Ret wrote:
It is very offensive to me that random golds and plats would deem my style as macro allin or overdrone into loss with the ammount of time and thought i put into playing this game, so shut the fuck up you ignorant fucks :D Basicly what you are saying is: "Im better at this game than you, you cannot have an opinion" Not cool. It's plenty cool -- he's a pro. Don't be a martyr. Yes, he is a pro. Makes money playing a game we all love. And because he is a pro he should accept the fact that people are gonna judge him. When he wins he gets cheers, when he loses people are gonna hate. And those people will all be worse at this game than he is. Smile and let it go. Calling people out like this isnt the way to go in my opinion. And yes, i can have one of those darn things! And he's not allowed to be offended when gold/plat players pretend to know why he lost better than he knows? He has every right to call somebody out, because that's what you're doing to him. Protect those poor gold/plat opinions, but scream injustice when pros want to defend their own stances? Gimme a break. Im not protecting anybody, the problem i have with his statement is the fact that because he is better at this game others should not be able to vent their feelings and opinions on the way he plays starcraft. He is allowed to be offended by these people. I just dont understand why he would be! With this reasoning, nobody not playing in the NBA should have an opinion on basketball, cause what do they know right? Ret isn't saying your opinion does or doesn't matter.. He's saying your opinion is wrong. Which, hot damn, is spot on. Opinions cannot be wrong. If trolling: 4/10 If stupid: 2/10 Wasn't going to say anything until this post... Are you serious? Opinion -- "a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty." (dictionary.com) You can believe or have an opinion about the existence of unicorns (or any number of things) but that opinion can definitely be wrong in relation to reality.
So you actually believe (c wut i did thar) that it is up to you to decide that what another person believes is wrong or right?
Staggering.
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On September 28 2011 03:33 Skyline026 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 03:31 arsenic wrote:On September 28 2011 03:17 Skyline026 wrote:On September 28 2011 03:14 NasD wrote:On September 28 2011 02:26 Skyline026 wrote:On September 28 2011 02:08 zarepath wrote:On September 28 2011 01:49 Skyline026 wrote:On September 28 2011 01:41 zarepath wrote:On September 28 2011 01:37 Skyline026 wrote:On September 27 2011 22:29 Liquid`Ret wrote:
It is very offensive to me that random golds and plats would deem my style as macro allin or overdrone into loss with the ammount of time and thought i put into playing this game, so shut the fuck up you ignorant fucks :D Basicly what you are saying is: "Im better at this game than you, you cannot have an opinion" Not cool. It's plenty cool -- he's a pro. Don't be a martyr. Yes, he is a pro. Makes money playing a game we all love. And because he is a pro he should accept the fact that people are gonna judge him. When he wins he gets cheers, when he loses people are gonna hate. And those people will all be worse at this game than he is. Smile and let it go. Calling people out like this isnt the way to go in my opinion. And yes, i can have one of those darn things! And he's not allowed to be offended when gold/plat players pretend to know why he lost better than he knows? He has every right to call somebody out, because that's what you're doing to him. Protect those poor gold/plat opinions, but scream injustice when pros want to defend their own stances? Gimme a break. Im not protecting anybody, the problem i have with his statement is the fact that because he is better at this game others should not be able to vent their feelings and opinions on the way he plays starcraft. He is allowed to be offended by these people. I just dont understand why he would be! With this reasoning, nobody not playing in the NBA should have an opinion on basketball, cause what do they know right? Ret isn't saying your opinion does or doesn't matter.. He's saying your opinion is wrong. Which, hot damn, is spot on. Opinions cannot be wrong. If trolling: 4/10 If stupid: 2/10 Wasn't going to say anything until this post... Are you serious? Opinion -- "a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty." (dictionary.com) You can believe or have an opinion about the existence of unicorns (or any number of things) but that opinion can definitely be wrong in relation to reality. So you actually believe (c wut i did thar) that it is up to you to decide that what another person believes is wrong or right? Staggering.
Just keep proving my point please 
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On September 28 2011 03:31 NasD wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 03:27 Skyline026 wrote:On September 28 2011 03:22 Flowjo wrote:On September 28 2011 01:45 Skyline026 wrote:On September 28 2011 01:39 ForgottenOne wrote:On September 28 2011 01:37 Skyline026 wrote:On September 27 2011 22:29 Liquid`Ret wrote:
It is very offensive to me that random golds and plats would deem my style as macro allin or overdrone into loss with the ammount of time and thought i put into playing this game, so shut the fuck up you ignorant fucks :D Basicly what you are saying is: "Im better at this game than you, you cannot have an opinion" Not cool. He isn't "Basicly" saying that, you ignorant fuck. :D You are from a 3rd world country, you cannot have an opinion. have fun with the ban . Also, atleast understand what your statement is stating... Ill take the ban, cause saying you cannot give you opinion cause you arent as good at SC as someone isnt much different from saying you cannot give your opinion cause youre from a certain country, wear certain shoes or smell like catfood. Oooh the irony that im the one on trial now :D No. You've been the one making dumb statements, yet still think you're in the right. Then when everyone gangs up on you and tells you to just stop you act like it was your plan all along to 'waste their time', when it really wasn't..
It wasnt my plan to waste anybody's time. Im kinda curious what made you come to that conclusion. I gave my views on Ret's statement. Not much you or anybody else can do about that, well, untill the banhammer hits ofcourse.
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On September 28 2011 03:33 Skyline026 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 03:31 arsenic wrote:On September 28 2011 03:17 Skyline026 wrote:On September 28 2011 03:14 NasD wrote:On September 28 2011 02:26 Skyline026 wrote:On September 28 2011 02:08 zarepath wrote:On September 28 2011 01:49 Skyline026 wrote:On September 28 2011 01:41 zarepath wrote:On September 28 2011 01:37 Skyline026 wrote:On September 27 2011 22:29 Liquid`Ret wrote:
It is very offensive to me that random golds and plats would deem my style as macro allin or overdrone into loss with the ammount of time and thought i put into playing this game, so shut the fuck up you ignorant fucks :D Basicly what you are saying is: "Im better at this game than you, you cannot have an opinion" Not cool. It's plenty cool -- he's a pro. Don't be a martyr. Yes, he is a pro. Makes money playing a game we all love. And because he is a pro he should accept the fact that people are gonna judge him. When he wins he gets cheers, when he loses people are gonna hate. And those people will all be worse at this game than he is. Smile and let it go. Calling people out like this isnt the way to go in my opinion. And yes, i can have one of those darn things! And he's not allowed to be offended when gold/plat players pretend to know why he lost better than he knows? He has every right to call somebody out, because that's what you're doing to him. Protect those poor gold/plat opinions, but scream injustice when pros want to defend their own stances? Gimme a break. Im not protecting anybody, the problem i have with his statement is the fact that because he is better at this game others should not be able to vent their feelings and opinions on the way he plays starcraft. He is allowed to be offended by these people. I just dont understand why he would be! With this reasoning, nobody not playing in the NBA should have an opinion on basketball, cause what do they know right? Ret isn't saying your opinion does or doesn't matter.. He's saying your opinion is wrong. Which, hot damn, is spot on. Opinions cannot be wrong. If trolling: 4/10 If stupid: 2/10 Wasn't going to say anything until this post... Are you serious? Opinion -- "a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty." (dictionary.com) You can believe or have an opinion about the existence of unicorns (or any number of things) but that opinion can definitely be wrong in relation to reality. So you actually believe (c wut i did thar) that it is up to you to decide that what another person believes is wrong or right? Staggering.
The truth value of a statement, belief or opinion is defined beyond an individual. I don't believe that it is within my capability or ability to define truth or to change reality to fit what I want. So no, it is not up to me to decide what is truth, what is right and what is wrong. But, that doesn't mean that an opinion can not be right or wrong when seen in relation to reality.
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Edit: For example, if a murder occurs, you can have an opinion about what happened, who the killer was, etc. But that belief definitely has a truth value to it, a right and wrong. You could be right about who the killer is or wrong. Does this make sense?
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make it so you can watch 1 match in results per time, now i got spoiled for the entire series when i just wanted to catch up halfway
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On September 28 2011 03:36 arsenic wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 03:33 Skyline026 wrote:On September 28 2011 03:31 arsenic wrote:On September 28 2011 03:17 Skyline026 wrote:On September 28 2011 03:14 NasD wrote:On September 28 2011 02:26 Skyline026 wrote:On September 28 2011 02:08 zarepath wrote:On September 28 2011 01:49 Skyline026 wrote:On September 28 2011 01:41 zarepath wrote:On September 28 2011 01:37 Skyline026 wrote:
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Basicly what you are saying is: "Im better at this game than you, you cannot have an opinion"
Not cool. It's plenty cool -- he's a pro. Don't be a martyr. Yes, he is a pro. Makes money playing a game we all love. And because he is a pro he should accept the fact that people are gonna judge him. When he wins he gets cheers, when he loses people are gonna hate. And those people will all be worse at this game than he is. Smile and let it go. Calling people out like this isnt the way to go in my opinion. And yes, i can have one of those darn things! And he's not allowed to be offended when gold/plat players pretend to know why he lost better than he knows? He has every right to call somebody out, because that's what you're doing to him. Protect those poor gold/plat opinions, but scream injustice when pros want to defend their own stances? Gimme a break. Im not protecting anybody, the problem i have with his statement is the fact that because he is better at this game others should not be able to vent their feelings and opinions on the way he plays starcraft. He is allowed to be offended by these people. I just dont understand why he would be! With this reasoning, nobody not playing in the NBA should have an opinion on basketball, cause what do they know right? Ret isn't saying your opinion does or doesn't matter.. He's saying your opinion is wrong. Which, hot damn, is spot on. Opinions cannot be wrong. If trolling: 4/10 If stupid: 2/10 Wasn't going to say anything until this post... Are you serious? Opinion -- "a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty." (dictionary.com) You can believe or have an opinion about the existence of unicorns (or any number of things) but that opinion can definitely be wrong in relation to reality. So you actually believe (c wut i did thar) that it is up to you to decide that what another person believes is wrong or right? Staggering. The truth value of a statement, belief or opinion is defined beyond an individual. I don't believe that it is within my capability or ability to define truth or to change reality to fit what I want. So no, it is not up to me to decide what is truth, what is right and what is wrong. But, that doesn't mean that an opinion can not be right or wrong when seen in relation to reality. -______-;; Edit: For example, if a murder occurs, you can have an opinion about what happened, who the killer was, etc. But that belief definitely has a truth value to it, a right and wrong. You could be right about who the killer is or wrong. Does this make sense?
Every arguement can be killed off simply by using extreme examples. The truth value does not exist in the original opinion about droning. I think you made too many drones (which tbh i dont know anything about and didnt judge at all since im the worst zerg in the world) is a statement which simply cannot be wrong. But that wasnt the original point either :D
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On September 28 2011 03:44 Skyline026 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 03:36 arsenic wrote:On September 28 2011 03:33 Skyline026 wrote:On September 28 2011 03:31 arsenic wrote:On September 28 2011 03:17 Skyline026 wrote:On September 28 2011 03:14 NasD wrote:On September 28 2011 02:26 Skyline026 wrote:On September 28 2011 02:08 zarepath wrote:On September 28 2011 01:49 Skyline026 wrote:On September 28 2011 01:41 zarepath wrote:
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It's plenty cool -- he's a pro. Don't be a martyr. Yes, he is a pro. Makes money playing a game we all love. And because he is a pro he should accept the fact that people are gonna judge him. When he wins he gets cheers, when he loses people are gonna hate. And those people will all be worse at this game than he is. Smile and let it go. Calling people out like this isnt the way to go in my opinion. And yes, i can have one of those darn things! And he's not allowed to be offended when gold/plat players pretend to know why he lost better than he knows? He has every right to call somebody out, because that's what you're doing to him. Protect those poor gold/plat opinions, but scream injustice when pros want to defend their own stances? Gimme a break. Im not protecting anybody, the problem i have with his statement is the fact that because he is better at this game others should not be able to vent their feelings and opinions on the way he plays starcraft. He is allowed to be offended by these people. I just dont understand why he would be! With this reasoning, nobody not playing in the NBA should have an opinion on basketball, cause what do they know right? Ret isn't saying your opinion does or doesn't matter.. He's saying your opinion is wrong. Which, hot damn, is spot on. Opinions cannot be wrong. If trolling: 4/10 If stupid: 2/10 Wasn't going to say anything until this post... Are you serious? Opinion -- "a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty." (dictionary.com) You can believe or have an opinion about the existence of unicorns (or any number of things) but that opinion can definitely be wrong in relation to reality. So you actually believe (c wut i did thar) that it is up to you to decide that what another person believes is wrong or right? Staggering. The truth value of a statement, belief or opinion is defined beyond an individual. I don't believe that it is within my capability or ability to define truth or to change reality to fit what I want. So no, it is not up to me to decide what is truth, what is right and what is wrong. But, that doesn't mean that an opinion can not be right or wrong when seen in relation to reality. -______-;; Edit: For example, if a murder occurs, you can have an opinion about what happened, who the killer was, etc. But that belief definitely has a truth value to it, a right and wrong. You could be right about who the killer is or wrong. Does this make sense? Every arguement can be killed off simply by using extreme examples. The truth value does not exist in the original opinion about droning. I think you made too many drones (which tbh i dont know anything about and didnt judge at all since im the worst zerg in the world) is a statement which simply cannot be wrong. But that wasnt the original point either :D
have a few tips for you skyline.
1. go to amsterdam
2. smoke some green
3. chill the fuck out.
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On September 28 2011 03:44 Skyline026 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 03:36 arsenic wrote:On September 28 2011 03:33 Skyline026 wrote:On September 28 2011 03:31 arsenic wrote:On September 28 2011 03:17 Skyline026 wrote:On September 28 2011 03:14 NasD wrote:On September 28 2011 02:26 Skyline026 wrote:On September 28 2011 02:08 zarepath wrote:On September 28 2011 01:49 Skyline026 wrote:On September 28 2011 01:41 zarepath wrote:
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It's plenty cool -- he's a pro. Don't be a martyr. Yes, he is a pro. Makes money playing a game we all love. And because he is a pro he should accept the fact that people are gonna judge him. When he wins he gets cheers, when he loses people are gonna hate. And those people will all be worse at this game than he is. Smile and let it go. Calling people out like this isnt the way to go in my opinion. And yes, i can have one of those darn things! And he's not allowed to be offended when gold/plat players pretend to know why he lost better than he knows? He has every right to call somebody out, because that's what you're doing to him. Protect those poor gold/plat opinions, but scream injustice when pros want to defend their own stances? Gimme a break. Im not protecting anybody, the problem i have with his statement is the fact that because he is better at this game others should not be able to vent their feelings and opinions on the way he plays starcraft. He is allowed to be offended by these people. I just dont understand why he would be! With this reasoning, nobody not playing in the NBA should have an opinion on basketball, cause what do they know right? Ret isn't saying your opinion does or doesn't matter.. He's saying your opinion is wrong. Which, hot damn, is spot on. Opinions cannot be wrong. If trolling: 4/10 If stupid: 2/10 Wasn't going to say anything until this post... Are you serious? Opinion -- "a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty." (dictionary.com) You can believe or have an opinion about the existence of unicorns (or any number of things) but that opinion can definitely be wrong in relation to reality. So you actually believe (c wut i did thar) that it is up to you to decide that what another person believes is wrong or right? Staggering. The truth value of a statement, belief or opinion is defined beyond an individual. I don't believe that it is within my capability or ability to define truth or to change reality to fit what I want. So no, it is not up to me to decide what is truth, what is right and what is wrong. But, that doesn't mean that an opinion can not be right or wrong when seen in relation to reality. -______-;; Edit: For example, if a murder occurs, you can have an opinion about what happened, who the killer was, etc. But that belief definitely has a truth value to it, a right and wrong. You could be right about who the killer is or wrong. Does this make sense? Every arguement can be killed off simply by using extreme examples. The truth value does not exist in the original opinion about droning. I think you made too many drones (which tbh i dont know anything about and didnt judge at all since im the worst zerg in the world) is a statement which simply cannot be wrong. But that wasnt the original point either :D
1. All real arguments deal with the extremes, if it can not stand to the extremes, then it is not a worthwhile argument. Also, there's nothing extreme about my example at all as it does not push the limits of the truth of an opinion so I think you are using this term incorrectly in terms of argumentation.
2. You are right, there is no real truth value around the original statement but that was not the focal point of my criticism. You said that opinions can not be wrong which is flat out wrong as I've demonstrated. Opinions can definitely be wrong when there is an objective reality to which to evaluate it against. There are some things (like this drone argument) that can't be described beyond an opinion but that doesn't change that you're still wrong.
3. The original point you were trying to make in regards to Ret's attitude is pretty silly. He's not trying to say that because you are not as good as him at the game, you should not have an opinion. He is saying that because you are not as good at the game, you should not be overly critical of his playstyle without a good basis for such as he has put in a large amount of time and thought into how and when he is going to make drones. If he does the same strategy and loses every single time, then maybe there's reason for criticism but obviously, his strategy works for him and posts results so we ought to be more reserved with our criticism. At least, I hope that's what he's saying and that's how I understood it (an opinion that could be right or wrong). =)
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On September 28 2011 03:52 arsenic wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 03:44 Skyline026 wrote:On September 28 2011 03:36 arsenic wrote:On September 28 2011 03:33 Skyline026 wrote:On September 28 2011 03:31 arsenic wrote:On September 28 2011 03:17 Skyline026 wrote:On September 28 2011 03:14 NasD wrote:On September 28 2011 02:26 Skyline026 wrote:On September 28 2011 02:08 zarepath wrote:On September 28 2011 01:49 Skyline026 wrote:
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Yes, he is a pro. Makes money playing a game we all love. And because he is a pro he should accept the fact that people are gonna judge him. When he wins he gets cheers, when he loses people are gonna hate. And those people will all be worse at this game than he is. Smile and let it go. Calling people out like this isnt the way to go in my opinion. And yes, i can have one of those darn things!
And he's not allowed to be offended when gold/plat players pretend to know why he lost better than he knows? He has every right to call somebody out, because that's what you're doing to him. Protect those poor gold/plat opinions, but scream injustice when pros want to defend their own stances? Gimme a break. Im not protecting anybody, the problem i have with his statement is the fact that because he is better at this game others should not be able to vent their feelings and opinions on the way he plays starcraft. He is allowed to be offended by these people. I just dont understand why he would be! With this reasoning, nobody not playing in the NBA should have an opinion on basketball, cause what do they know right? Ret isn't saying your opinion does or doesn't matter.. He's saying your opinion is wrong. Which, hot damn, is spot on. Opinions cannot be wrong. If trolling: 4/10 If stupid: 2/10 Wasn't going to say anything until this post... Are you serious? Opinion -- "a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty." (dictionary.com) You can believe or have an opinion about the existence of unicorns (or any number of things) but that opinion can definitely be wrong in relation to reality. So you actually believe (c wut i did thar) that it is up to you to decide that what another person believes is wrong or right? Staggering. The truth value of a statement, belief or opinion is defined beyond an individual. I don't believe that it is within my capability or ability to define truth or to change reality to fit what I want. So no, it is not up to me to decide what is truth, what is right and what is wrong. But, that doesn't mean that an opinion can not be right or wrong when seen in relation to reality. -______-;; Edit: For example, if a murder occurs, you can have an opinion about what happened, who the killer was, etc. But that belief definitely has a truth value to it, a right and wrong. You could be right about who the killer is or wrong. Does this make sense? Every arguement can be killed off simply by using extreme examples. The truth value does not exist in the original opinion about droning. I think you made too many drones (which tbh i dont know anything about and didnt judge at all since im the worst zerg in the world) is a statement which simply cannot be wrong. But that wasnt the original point either :D 1. All real arguments deal with the extremes, if it can not stand to the extremes, then it is not a worthwhile argument. Also, there's nothing extreme about my example at all as it does not push the limits of the truth of an opinion so I think you are using this term incorrectly in terms of argumentation. 2. You are right, there is no real truth value around the original statement but that was not the focal point of my criticism. You said that opinions can not be wrong which is flat out wrong as I've demonstrated. Opinions can definitely be wrong when there is an objective reality to which to evaluate it against. There are some things (like this drone argument) that can't be described beyond an opinion but that doesn't change that you're still wrong. 3. The original point you were trying to make in regards to Ret's attitude is pretty silly. He's not trying to say that because you are not as good as him at the game, you should not have an opinion. He is saying that because you are not as good at the game, you should not be overly critical of his playstyle without a good basis for such as he has put in a large amount of time and thought into how and when he is going to make drones. If he does the same strategy and loses every single time, then maybe there's reason for criticism but obviously, his strategy works for him and posts results so we ought to be more reserved with our criticism. At least, I hope that's what he's saying and that's how I understood it (an opinion that could be right or wrong). =)
Im gonna skip 1 and 2 just because they are both so far beyond the original arguement it will be a whole different discussion, and i wanna watch the football after this :D
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the point i made towards his attitude is simply this, he disagree's with some random internet person about the strategy he used. I would have been fine with Ret stating he disagree's. Hell, even i disagree, cause it seems to be working for him. Ending a post the way he did telling people to shut up is what triggered my reaction. Telling people to shut up and calling them ignorant in the process is pretty messed up in my book.
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On September 28 2011 02:35 n0ise wrote:
Sorry for interrupting the drama, boyz
is this patch 1.4, or 1.3.6? 1.4 judging by their apm
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On September 28 2011 03:44 Skyline026 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 03:36 arsenic wrote:On September 28 2011 03:33 Skyline026 wrote:On September 28 2011 03:31 arsenic wrote:On September 28 2011 03:17 Skyline026 wrote:On September 28 2011 03:14 NasD wrote:On September 28 2011 02:26 Skyline026 wrote:On September 28 2011 02:08 zarepath wrote:On September 28 2011 01:49 Skyline026 wrote:On September 28 2011 01:41 zarepath wrote:
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It's plenty cool -- he's a pro. Don't be a martyr. Yes, he is a pro. Makes money playing a game we all love. And because he is a pro he should accept the fact that people are gonna judge him. When he wins he gets cheers, when he loses people are gonna hate. And those people will all be worse at this game than he is. Smile and let it go. Calling people out like this isnt the way to go in my opinion. And yes, i can have one of those darn things! And he's not allowed to be offended when gold/plat players pretend to know why he lost better than he knows? He has every right to call somebody out, because that's what you're doing to him. Protect those poor gold/plat opinions, but scream injustice when pros want to defend their own stances? Gimme a break. Im not protecting anybody, the problem i have with his statement is the fact that because he is better at this game others should not be able to vent their feelings and opinions on the way he plays starcraft. He is allowed to be offended by these people. I just dont understand why he would be! With this reasoning, nobody not playing in the NBA should have an opinion on basketball, cause what do they know right? Ret isn't saying your opinion does or doesn't matter.. He's saying your opinion is wrong. Which, hot damn, is spot on. Opinions cannot be wrong. If trolling: 4/10 If stupid: 2/10 Wasn't going to say anything until this post... Are you serious? Opinion -- "a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty." (dictionary.com) You can believe or have an opinion about the existence of unicorns (or any number of things) but that opinion can definitely be wrong in relation to reality. So you actually believe (c wut i did thar) that it is up to you to decide that what another person believes is wrong or right? Staggering. The truth value of a statement, belief or opinion is defined beyond an individual. I don't believe that it is within my capability or ability to define truth or to change reality to fit what I want. So no, it is not up to me to decide what is truth, what is right and what is wrong. But, that doesn't mean that an opinion can not be right or wrong when seen in relation to reality. -______-;; Edit: For example, if a murder occurs, you can have an opinion about what happened, who the killer was, etc. But that belief definitely has a truth value to it, a right and wrong. You could be right about who the killer is or wrong. Does this make sense? Every arguement can be killed off simply by using extreme examples. The truth value does not exist in the original opinion about droning. I think you made too many drones (which tbh i dont know anything about and didnt judge at all since im the worst zerg in the world) is a statement which simply cannot be wrong. But that wasnt the original point either :D
Erm sorry - it can still be wrong. His loss (and watch Day9's episode on finding the real reason why you lost) is not necessarily making too many drones, but the decisions that let him make too many drones. You just look at the end result and go "oh whelps, 80 drones, no units" when it could have easily been "Ret did not have the proper scouting info to make decisions on, his scouting was inadequate". The end does not define the cause of failure or success.
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omg Hero was so bad in that game. i don't know why but he was at least 60 supply behind the whole game. I think i didn't understand how he lost like that i want the replay of that match!
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I don't get last game at all.. I mean Min places late expansion, get cannon rushed 3rd base and was forced to make a lot of lings but still was all the time ahead of Hero. And looked like Hero has no units at all compared to Min... Maybe I missed something?
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On September 28 2011 04:17 Alpina wrote:
I don't get last game at all.. I mean Min places late expansion, get cannon rushed 3rd base and was forced to make a lot of lings but still was all the time ahead of Hero. And looked like Hero has no units at all compared to Min... Maybe I missed something?
He was droning behind it the entire time off 2base with queen, be barely made the lings needed to hold. It would have been a lot different if he had killed the 3rd hatch but because he didnt basically all he did was trade some expensive (relatively in the beginning game) cannons + pylon + zealots to kill a few zerglings.
All in all a fun team match to watch, thank you IPL arena for the lunch break enjoyment.
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