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On September 28 2011 01:37 Skyline026 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2011 22:29 Liquid`Ret wrote:
It is very offensive to me that random golds and plats would deem my style as macro allin or overdrone into loss with the ammount of time and thought i put into playing this game, so shut the fuck up you ignorant fucks :D Basicly what you are saying is: "Im better at this game than you, you cannot have an opinion" Not cool.
He isn't "Basicly" saying that, you ignorant fuck. :D
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On September 28 2011 01:37 Skyline026 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2011 22:29 Liquid`Ret wrote:
It is very offensive to me that random golds and plats would deem my style as macro allin or overdrone into loss with the ammount of time and thought i put into playing this game, so shut the fuck up you ignorant fucks :D Basicly what you are saying is: "Im better at this game than you, you cannot have an opinion" Not cool.
It's plenty cool -- he's a pro. Don't be a martyr.
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On September 28 2011 01:39 ForgottenOne wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 01:37 Skyline026 wrote:On September 27 2011 22:29 Liquid`Ret wrote:
It is very offensive to me that random golds and plats would deem my style as macro allin or overdrone into loss with the ammount of time and thought i put into playing this game, so shut the fuck up you ignorant fucks :D Basicly what you are saying is: "Im better at this game than you, you cannot have an opinion" Not cool. He isn't "Basicly" saying that, you ignorant fuck. :D
You are from a 3rd world country, you cannot have an opinion.
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On September 28 2011 01:41 zarepath wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 01:37 Skyline026 wrote:On September 27 2011 22:29 Liquid`Ret wrote:
It is very offensive to me that random golds and plats would deem my style as macro allin or overdrone into loss with the ammount of time and thought i put into playing this game, so shut the fuck up you ignorant fucks :D Basicly what you are saying is: "Im better at this game than you, you cannot have an opinion" Not cool. It's plenty cool -- he's a pro. Don't be a martyr.
Yes, he is a pro. Makes money playing a game we all love. And because he is a pro he should accept the fact that people are gonna judge him. When he wins he gets cheers, when he loses people are gonna hate. And those people will all be worse at this game than he is. Smile and let it go. Calling people out like this isnt the way to go in my opinion. And yes, i can have one of those darn things!
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Watching the restream, is there no game sounds? Argh.... It's killing me!
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On September 28 2011 01:49 Skyline026 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 01:41 zarepath wrote:On September 28 2011 01:37 Skyline026 wrote:On September 27 2011 22:29 Liquid`Ret wrote:
It is very offensive to me that random golds and plats would deem my style as macro allin or overdrone into loss with the ammount of time and thought i put into playing this game, so shut the fuck up you ignorant fucks :D Basicly what you are saying is: "Im better at this game than you, you cannot have an opinion" Not cool. It's plenty cool -- he's a pro. Don't be a martyr. Yes, he is a pro. Makes money playing a game we all love. And because he is a pro he should accept the fact that people are gonna judge him. When he wins he gets cheers, when he loses people are gonna hate. And those people will all be worse at this game than he is. Smile and let it go. Calling people out like this isnt the way to go in my opinion. And yes, i can have one of those darn things!
And he's not allowed to be offended when gold/plat players pretend to know why he lost better than he knows? He has every right to call somebody out, because that's what you're doing to him.
Protect those poor gold/plat opinions, but scream injustice when pros want to defend their own stances? Gimme a break.
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On September 28 2011 02:08 zarepath wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 01:49 Skyline026 wrote:On September 28 2011 01:41 zarepath wrote:On September 28 2011 01:37 Skyline026 wrote:On September 27 2011 22:29 Liquid`Ret wrote:
It is very offensive to me that random golds and plats would deem my style as macro allin or overdrone into loss with the ammount of time and thought i put into playing this game, so shut the fuck up you ignorant fucks :D Basicly what you are saying is: "Im better at this game than you, you cannot have an opinion" Not cool. It's plenty cool -- he's a pro. Don't be a martyr. Yes, he is a pro. Makes money playing a game we all love. And because he is a pro he should accept the fact that people are gonna judge him. When he wins he gets cheers, when he loses people are gonna hate. And those people will all be worse at this game than he is. Smile and let it go. Calling people out like this isnt the way to go in my opinion. And yes, i can have one of those darn things! And he's not allowed to be offended when gold/plat players pretend to know why he lost better than he knows? He has every right to call somebody out, because that's what you're doing to him. Protect those poor gold/plat opinions, but scream injustice when pros want to defend their own stances? Gimme a break.
Im not protecting anybody, the problem i have with his statement is the fact that because he is better at this game others should not be able to vent their feelings and opinions on the way he plays starcraft. He is allowed to be offended by these people. I just dont understand why he would be! With this reasoning, nobody not playing in the NBA should have an opinion on basketball, cause what do they know right?
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Sorry for interrupting the drama, boyz
is this patch 1.4, or 1.3.6?
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Im not protecting anybody, the problem i have with his statement is the fact that because he is better at this game others should not be able to vent their feelings and opinions on the way he plays starcraft. He is allowed to be offended by these people. I just dont understand why he would be! With this reasoning, nobody not playing in the NBA should have an opinion on basketball, cause what do they know right?
It looks like a fallacy, but when he mentions all the time and thought he put into his game, he's not saying "I'm a pro so I know better", he's just saying "I already took everything you guys said I should have done into account and instead decided that what I did would be the best course of action from all my practicing and studying this game. I would explain it to you point by point but it would be a waste of my time because you don't even know how to not get supply blocked."
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On September 28 2011 02:35 n0ise wrote:
Sorry for interrupting the drama, boyz
is this patch 1.4, or 1.3.6?
Yeah I tuned in to ask/find out the same thing and wow some BM up in here.
So on the topic of the actual tourny does anyone know if this is 1.4?
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On September 28 2011 02:37 Warlock40 wrote:Show nested quote +Im not protecting anybody, the problem i have with his statement is the fact that because he is better at this game others should not be able to vent their feelings and opinions on the way he plays starcraft. He is allowed to be offended by these people. I just dont understand why he would be! With this reasoning, nobody not playing in the NBA should have an opinion on basketball, cause what do they know right? It looks like a fallacy, but when he mentions all the time and thought he put into his game, he's not saying "I'm a pro so I know better", he's just saying "I already took everything you guys said I should have done into account and instead decided that what I did would be the best course of action from all my practicing and studying this game. I would explain it to you point by point but it would be a waste of my time because you don't even know how to not get supply blocked."
No.
What he said was, i quote: "so shut the fuck up you ignorant fucks :D"
He explicitly tells people that have an opinion on his SC style to keep their mouth's shut.
Ret can say whatever he wants to whoever he wants. So he should expect others to do the same.
But hey, fanboying is fun right?
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On September 28 2011 02:45 Skyline026 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 02:37 Warlock40 wrote:Im not protecting anybody, the problem i have with his statement is the fact that because he is better at this game others should not be able to vent their feelings and opinions on the way he plays starcraft. He is allowed to be offended by these people. I just dont understand why he would be! With this reasoning, nobody not playing in the NBA should have an opinion on basketball, cause what do they know right? It looks like a fallacy, but when he mentions all the time and thought he put into his game, he's not saying "I'm a pro so I know better", he's just saying "I already took everything you guys said I should have done into account and instead decided that what I did would be the best course of action from all my practicing and studying this game. I would explain it to you point by point but it would be a waste of my time because you don't even know how to not get supply blocked." No. What he said was, i quote: "so shut the fuck up you ignorant fucks :D" He explicitly tells people that have an opinion on his SC style to keep their mouth's shut. Ret can say whatever he wants to whoever he wants. So he should expect others to do the same. But hey, fanboying is fun right?
And we do say what we want to don't we, i do not see your drama and taking it so personal. People are rather rude to him by calling his style cheesy and all in, what should he have said to you then.
He gives his opinion and it's a valid one, would i disagree i would care less and give my opinion anyway as we all have the right to on these forums.
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he's voicing his opinion, everyone else is voicing theres. it's not like he literally made you all stfu. He's not a mod here, he's just aggressively telling everyone to shut up if they don't really understand his motives as well as he does.
I'm just surprised how everyone seems to call ANY STRATEGY a cheese or all in these days. Seriously, opting for a greedy play is now called over droning all in? WOW.
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On September 28 2011 02:26 Skyline026 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 02:08 zarepath wrote:On September 28 2011 01:49 Skyline026 wrote:On September 28 2011 01:41 zarepath wrote:On September 28 2011 01:37 Skyline026 wrote:On September 27 2011 22:29 Liquid`Ret wrote:
It is very offensive to me that random golds and plats would deem my style as macro allin or overdrone into loss with the ammount of time and thought i put into playing this game, so shut the fuck up you ignorant fucks :D Basicly what you are saying is: "Im better at this game than you, you cannot have an opinion" Not cool. It's plenty cool -- he's a pro. Don't be a martyr. Yes, he is a pro. Makes money playing a game we all love. And because he is a pro he should accept the fact that people are gonna judge him. When he wins he gets cheers, when he loses people are gonna hate. And those people will all be worse at this game than he is. Smile and let it go. Calling people out like this isnt the way to go in my opinion. And yes, i can have one of those darn things! And he's not allowed to be offended when gold/plat players pretend to know why he lost better than he knows? He has every right to call somebody out, because that's what you're doing to him. Protect those poor gold/plat opinions, but scream injustice when pros want to defend their own stances? Gimme a break. Im not protecting anybody, the problem i have with his statement is the fact that because he is better at this game others should not be able to vent their feelings and opinions on the way he plays starcraft. He is allowed to be offended by these people. I just dont understand why he would be! With this reasoning, nobody not playing in the NBA should have an opinion on basketball, cause what do they know right?
Ret isn't saying your opinion does or doesn't matter.. He's saying your opinion is wrong. Which, hot damn, is spot on.
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On September 28 2011 03:08 Lysanias wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 02:45 Skyline026 wrote:On September 28 2011 02:37 Warlock40 wrote:Im not protecting anybody, the problem i have with his statement is the fact that because he is better at this game others should not be able to vent their feelings and opinions on the way he plays starcraft. He is allowed to be offended by these people. I just dont understand why he would be! With this reasoning, nobody not playing in the NBA should have an opinion on basketball, cause what do they know right? It looks like a fallacy, but when he mentions all the time and thought he put into his game, he's not saying "I'm a pro so I know better", he's just saying "I already took everything you guys said I should have done into account and instead decided that what I did would be the best course of action from all my practicing and studying this game. I would explain it to you point by point but it would be a waste of my time because you don't even know how to not get supply blocked." No. What he said was, i quote: "so shut the fuck up you ignorant fucks :D" He explicitly tells people that have an opinion on his SC style to keep their mouth's shut. Ret can say whatever he wants to whoever he wants. So he should expect others to do the same. But hey, fanboying is fun right? And we do say what we want to don't we, i do not see your drama and taking it so personal. People are rather rude to him by calling his style cheesy and all in, what should he have said to you then. He gives his opinion and it's a valid one, would i disagree i would care less and give my opinion anyway as we all have the right to on these forums.
Seems im the only person that thinks that pro players should not tell non pro players to shut the fuck up cause he disagree´s on what they are saying. By the way, Ret is on my top 3 fav players list, might be the reason why i feel the need to respond to this, ooh well...
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On September 28 2011 03:14 NasD wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 02:26 Skyline026 wrote:On September 28 2011 02:08 zarepath wrote:On September 28 2011 01:49 Skyline026 wrote:On September 28 2011 01:41 zarepath wrote:On September 28 2011 01:37 Skyline026 wrote:On September 27 2011 22:29 Liquid`Ret wrote:
It is very offensive to me that random golds and plats would deem my style as macro allin or overdrone into loss with the ammount of time and thought i put into playing this game, so shut the fuck up you ignorant fucks :D Basicly what you are saying is: "Im better at this game than you, you cannot have an opinion" Not cool. It's plenty cool -- he's a pro. Don't be a martyr. Yes, he is a pro. Makes money playing a game we all love. And because he is a pro he should accept the fact that people are gonna judge him. When he wins he gets cheers, when he loses people are gonna hate. And those people will all be worse at this game than he is. Smile and let it go. Calling people out like this isnt the way to go in my opinion. And yes, i can have one of those darn things! And he's not allowed to be offended when gold/plat players pretend to know why he lost better than he knows? He has every right to call somebody out, because that's what you're doing to him. Protect those poor gold/plat opinions, but scream injustice when pros want to defend their own stances? Gimme a break. Im not protecting anybody, the problem i have with his statement is the fact that because he is better at this game others should not be able to vent their feelings and opinions on the way he plays starcraft. He is allowed to be offended by these people. I just dont understand why he would be! With this reasoning, nobody not playing in the NBA should have an opinion on basketball, cause what do they know right? Ret isn't saying your opinion does or doesn't matter.. He's saying your opinion is wrong. Which, hot damn, is spot on.
Opinions cannot be wrong.
If trolling: 4/10
If stupid: 2/10
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On September 28 2011 01:45 Skyline026 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 01:39 ForgottenOne wrote:On September 28 2011 01:37 Skyline026 wrote:On September 27 2011 22:29 Liquid`Ret wrote:
It is very offensive to me that random golds and plats would deem my style as macro allin or overdrone into loss with the ammount of time and thought i put into playing this game, so shut the fuck up you ignorant fucks :D Basicly what you are saying is: "Im better at this game than you, you cannot have an opinion" Not cool. He isn't "Basicly" saying that, you ignorant fuck. :D You are from a 3rd world country, you cannot have an opinion.
have fun with the ban  . Also, atleast understand what your statement is stating...
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On September 28 2011 03:17 Skyline026 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 03:14 NasD wrote:On September 28 2011 02:26 Skyline026 wrote:On September 28 2011 02:08 zarepath wrote:On September 28 2011 01:49 Skyline026 wrote:On September 28 2011 01:41 zarepath wrote:On September 28 2011 01:37 Skyline026 wrote:On September 27 2011 22:29 Liquid`Ret wrote:
It is very offensive to me that random golds and plats would deem my style as macro allin or overdrone into loss with the ammount of time and thought i put into playing this game, so shut the fuck up you ignorant fucks :D Basicly what you are saying is: "Im better at this game than you, you cannot have an opinion" Not cool. It's plenty cool -- he's a pro. Don't be a martyr. Yes, he is a pro. Makes money playing a game we all love. And because he is a pro he should accept the fact that people are gonna judge him. When he wins he gets cheers, when he loses people are gonna hate. And those people will all be worse at this game than he is. Smile and let it go. Calling people out like this isnt the way to go in my opinion. And yes, i can have one of those darn things! And he's not allowed to be offended when gold/plat players pretend to know why he lost better than he knows? He has every right to call somebody out, because that's what you're doing to him. Protect those poor gold/plat opinions, but scream injustice when pros want to defend their own stances? Gimme a break. Im not protecting anybody, the problem i have with his statement is the fact that because he is better at this game others should not be able to vent their feelings and opinions on the way he plays starcraft. He is allowed to be offended by these people. I just dont understand why he would be! With this reasoning, nobody not playing in the NBA should have an opinion on basketball, cause what do they know right? Ret isn't saying your opinion does or doesn't matter.. He's saying your opinion is wrong. Which, hot damn, is spot on. Opinions cannot be wrong. If trolling: 4/10 If stupid: 2/10
If the opinion is that 'Ret's style involves making too many drones; it just depends on them not attacking him and is therefore risky," and it seems to me that's the opinion Ret is responding to, that opinion definitely can be wrong. I don't know whether it is; I am not good enough at the game to see whether it's possible to play the way Ret does and still be safe. But it might be the case that if Ret has good enough scouting, that he can respond quickly enough.
Here's the type of opinion that can't be wrong: red is my favorite color. It can't be wrong because it's an expression of your personal preference, and we're assuming that you aren't lying about your personal preference. But if we want to say that people have been expressing their opinions about whether or not Ret's style could be safe if he responded right, that's an opinion that is either true or false. Either they are right, and Ret is just taking a chance that his opponent won't pressure him, or Ret is right, and he can respond safely to pressure.
Either way, your claim (that the opinion in question can't be wrong) is false.
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On September 28 2011 03:16 Skyline026 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 03:08 Lysanias wrote:On September 28 2011 02:45 Skyline026 wrote:On September 28 2011 02:37 Warlock40 wrote:Im not protecting anybody, the problem i have with his statement is the fact that because he is better at this game others should not be able to vent their feelings and opinions on the way he plays starcraft. He is allowed to be offended by these people. I just dont understand why he would be! With this reasoning, nobody not playing in the NBA should have an opinion on basketball, cause what do they know right? It looks like a fallacy, but when he mentions all the time and thought he put into his game, he's not saying "I'm a pro so I know better", he's just saying "I already took everything you guys said I should have done into account and instead decided that what I did would be the best course of action from all my practicing and studying this game. I would explain it to you point by point but it would be a waste of my time because you don't even know how to not get supply blocked." No. What he said was, i quote: "so shut the fuck up you ignorant fucks :D" He explicitly tells people that have an opinion on his SC style to keep their mouth's shut. Ret can say whatever he wants to whoever he wants. So he should expect others to do the same. But hey, fanboying is fun right? And we do say what we want to don't we, i do not see your drama and taking it so personal. People are rather rude to him by calling his style cheesy and all in, what should he have said to you then. He gives his opinion and it's a valid one, would i disagree i would care less and give my opinion anyway as we all have the right to on these forums. Seems im the only person that thinks that pro players should not tell non pro players to shut the fuck up cause he disagree´s on what they are saying. By the way, Ret is on my top 3 fav players list, might be the reason why i feel the need to respond to this, ooh well...
Even if those non players opinions are retarded / I will agree that his stfu is not very smart as a pro who has an image to uphold, but if we get to say his play is cheesy all in and overdroning or give it any other name, he has the right to respond to that, and that has nothing to do with being a pro player or not.
Just something we differ on i think as an opinion.
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On September 28 2011 03:22 Flowjo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 01:45 Skyline026 wrote:On September 28 2011 01:39 ForgottenOne wrote:On September 28 2011 01:37 Skyline026 wrote:On September 27 2011 22:29 Liquid`Ret wrote:
It is very offensive to me that random golds and plats would deem my style as macro allin or overdrone into loss with the ammount of time and thought i put into playing this game, so shut the fuck up you ignorant fucks :D Basicly what you are saying is: "Im better at this game than you, you cannot have an opinion" Not cool. He isn't "Basicly" saying that, you ignorant fuck. :D You are from a 3rd world country, you cannot have an opinion. have fun with the ban . Also, atleast understand what your statement is stating...
Ill take the ban, cause saying you cannot give you opinion cause you arent as good at SC as someone isnt much different from saying you cannot give your opinion cause youre from a certain country, wear certain shoes or smell like catfood.
Oooh the irony that im the one on trial now :D
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