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Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-27 02:49:06
September 27 2011 02:48 GMT
#921
On September 27 2011 11:46 GreyKnight wrote:
What a shame, kind of a lousy final game. guess he must've been tired or something because he plays much better macro games than this hasty sloppy 2 base timing.


He always does something like this in deciding games, it's probably the nerves.

It's like the finals vs MKP... Hero destroys him in the macro games to the point where its not even close, then goes for one base warp prism / ramp forcefield in the last game and loses. -_-
rpgalon
Profile Joined April 2011
Brazil1069 Posts
September 27 2011 02:48 GMT
#922
korean zergs.... T_T
badog
vVvPastry
Profile Joined September 2011
United States244 Posts
September 27 2011 02:49 GMT
#923
On September 27 2011 11:47 ffadicted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2011 11:44 UndoneJin wrote:
Congrats to SlayerS they're clearly the deepest team in e-sports and the more they play in these team leagues the more apparent that's going to become.

That said, I thought Liquid really had a chance to take this, and they certainly made it closer than I expected. SHETH! WHAT HAPPENED!?!


Bold statement to make when they're not even in the playoffs of the only legitimate team league in the world. All-kill formats are about having the strongest players, not the most well-rounded/deep team.

You do realize they won Team league twice already? Also the only reason why they aren't in play offs is because they lost some pretty close series ( you can't win them all ) and they got cheesed out by hong un when they played Prime.
vvv-gaming.com Favorite for Each Race Boxer/ Alicia/ Losira Supporting MMA/Teaja/sC/Marineking/Idra/White Ra/Ryung/BitByBit/MC/Team SlayerS
MrSalamandra
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom412 Posts
September 27 2011 02:49 GMT
#924
On September 27 2011 11:45 Hephaistas wrote:
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On September 27 2011 11:44 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Ret macroed to max army 15 minutes. Min at 14 minutes. Holy cow.


Ret went for lings though Min had lots of supply heavy roaches


Roaches aren't more supply heavy than zerglings, slightly less so even given that minerals are generally considered less valuable than gas. It's 75/25 for 2 supply of roaches, while 100/0 for 2 supply of zerglings. Roaches are far more larva efficient, though.

The real difference was the tech investment from Ret.
Zalithian
Profile Joined June 2011
520 Posts
September 27 2011 02:49 GMT
#925
Plus Puzzle and Coca weren't allowed to play for Slayers this season.
lee365
Profile Joined December 2010
United States448 Posts
September 27 2011 02:52 GMT
#926
Damn, it's too bad we didn't get to see a BoxeR vs TLO match, that would have been epic.
Terran Fighting! NoSoupfOu.517
GreyKnight
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4720 Posts
September 27 2011 02:54 GMT
#927
On September 27 2011 11:48 Talin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2011 11:46 GreyKnight wrote:
What a shame, kind of a lousy final game. guess he must've been tired or something because he plays much better macro games than this hasty sloppy 2 base timing.


He always does something like this in deciding games, it's probably the nerves.

It's like the finals vs MKP... Hero destroys him in the macro games to the point where its not even close, then goes for one base warp prism / ramp forcefield in the last game and loses. -_-


godddammn it........
MayorITC
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Korea (South)798 Posts
September 27 2011 02:55 GMT
#928
On September 27 2011 11:14 Xxavi wrote:
Sorry, but who's fault is it if Slayers aren't using MMA etc.? It's their fault, too bad, they should use them next time before the excuses flow in.


How is it an excuse when they're not using the mentioned players for the specific reason that the match isn't one-sided?
Holykitty
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands246 Posts
September 27 2011 03:03 GMT
#929
On September 27 2011 11:26 MrSalamandra wrote:
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On September 27 2011 11:25 unit wrote:
did ret just lose due to overdroning?


About 90% of his losses are due to overdroning. If he doesn't lose to overdroning, he almost always wins due to beastly macro.


he takes a risk, when it pays off he wins?!?! madness

people talk about overdroning as if its any different to an all in, its just a macro all in. your hoping to avoid losing rather than forcing a win. i love rets play but i wish people were harder on people like him for taking huge macro leads when they cant be sure its viable. not commenting on this game specifically but 'macro zergs' in general
Where there's smoke, there's me
Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
September 27 2011 03:09 GMT
#930
On September 27 2011 11:44 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Ret macroed to max army 15 minutes. Min at 14 minutes. Holy cow.


I have seen Ret max at 10min and something with strait double expand.
Given that was on roaches aswell.

Maxing on army's can be very different it all depends on the units you make.
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-27 03:11:36
September 27 2011 03:11 GMT
#931
You do know it's quite pretentious to assume you know what's "overdroning" and droning just enough better than Ret, right?

Ret isn't known to be a coinflip kind of player, if he's doing something he knows exactly why and how to handle the consequences.

Occasionally his opponent will have better control and win a tight engagement, but that's normal and it's exactly what should separate the two players on a pro level.
Rarak
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia631 Posts
September 27 2011 03:12 GMT
#932
On September 27 2011 11:26 MrSalamandra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2011 11:25 unit wrote:
did ret just lose due to overdroning?


About 90% of his losses are due to overdroning. If he doesn't lose to overdroning, he almost always wins due to beastly macro.


What does that tell you? if you are as greedy as possible its alot easier to have 'beastly macro'.
Rarak
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia631 Posts
September 27 2011 03:17 GMT
#933
On September 27 2011 12:11 Talin wrote:
You do know it's quite pretentious to assume you know what's "overdroning" and droning just enough better than Ret, right?

Ret isn't known to be a coinflip kind of player, if he's doing something he knows exactly why and how to handle the consequences.

Occasionally his opponent will have better control and win a tight engagement, but that's normal and it's exactly what should separate the two players on a pro level.


Well thats exactly what people are saying. Compared to other top Zergs ret does play a bit of a coinflip style where he will often try to be as greedy as possible.

On the other side of the spectrum is Slush who will build 15 drones all game.
Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
September 27 2011 03:18 GMT
#934
On September 27 2011 12:12 Rarak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2011 11:26 MrSalamandra wrote:
On September 27 2011 11:25 unit wrote:
did ret just lose due to overdroning?


About 90% of his losses are due to overdroning. If he doesn't lose to overdroning, he almost always wins due to beastly macro.


What does that tell you? if you are as greedy as possible its alot easier to have 'beastly macro'.


It's true the more drones the more you are to macro, but your selling him short by calling him greedy and in result being easy to macro.
blooblooblahblah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4163 Posts
September 27 2011 03:18 GMT
#935
On September 27 2011 11:48 Talin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2011 11:46 GreyKnight wrote:
What a shame, kind of a lousy final game. guess he must've been tired or something because he plays much better macro games than this hasty sloppy 2 base timing.


He always does something like this in deciding games, it's probably the nerves.

It's like the finals vs MKP... Hero destroys him in the macro games to the point where its not even close, then goes for one base warp prism / ramp forcefield in the last game and loses. -_-


Yea. I think its a combination of nerves and a stylistic thing. He loves to do risky, micro-intensive builds and tht comes back to haunt him in almost every series he loses. It's a shame cos he's so talented.
Ganzi beat me without stim. Ostojiy beat me with a nydus. Siphonn beat me with probes. Revival beat my sentry-immortal all-in.
bkrow
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia8532 Posts
September 27 2011 03:53 GMT
#936
On September 27 2011 12:11 Talin wrote:
You do know it's quite pretentious to assume you know what's "overdroning" and droning just enough better than Ret, right?

Ret isn't known to be a coinflip kind of player, if he's doing something he knows exactly why and how to handle the consequences.

Occasionally his opponent will have better control and win a tight engagement, but that's normal and it's exactly what should separate the two players on a pro level.

It's not at all - we can see what both sides are doing - Ret can't, hence we may be able to deduce what is overdroning better than Ret in a given situation.
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AntiGrav1ty
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2310 Posts
September 27 2011 04:37 GMT
#937
Tod vs Sheth very nice game.
www.twitch.tv/antigrav1ty
blooblooblahblah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4163 Posts
September 27 2011 04:41 GMT
#938
On September 27 2011 13:37 AntiGrav1ty wrote:
Tod vs Sheth very nice game.


lol wat?
Ganzi beat me without stim. Ostojiy beat me with a nydus. Siphonn beat me with probes. Revival beat my sentry-immortal all-in.
AntiGrav1ty
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2310 Posts
September 27 2011 04:48 GMT
#939
Wrong thread :D
www.twitch.tv/antigrav1ty
Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
September 27 2011 04:51 GMT
#940
Ouch, Liquid doesn't even get to have a taste of MMA, Ganzi, Taeja, or Ryung. Expected though, those dudes are some of the best Terrans in the world.
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