On September 23 2011 22:02 labbe wrote: Why are everyone hyping Tails? It was really Nestea that made 2 MAJOR mistakes that cost him the game. Tails really didn't do anything.
You should just stop being a hater. Tails beat Nestea, who is godly at ZvP.
There's being a hater, and then there's taking a step back and looking at the fact that Nestea let those DTs into his main after he knew they were there. That wasn't godly play, that was a huge mistake that gave Tails a huge edge.
That didn't really give him a huge edge...NesTea had the most delayed upgrades ever, and then the army in the overlords.
Did no one else see the DT's barely walk by the roaches/lings? That wasn't timing, that was blind luck. A one second difference would've been game.
Nestea made lots of mistakes. Tails didn't make mistakes. Tails played better than nestea. Tails outplayed nestea. Tails won. Tails deserved it. It's not "luck", it's nestea making a ton of mistakes.
No, the DT's getting in the main is the definition of luck. Tails outplayed Nestea, that's why he won. But part of that outplaying relied on luck.
It's not the definition of luck. He should've been ready for DT's but he wasnt, thats a huge mistake. Stop calling everything luck.
But that is the definition of luck, his push got shut down, he warped in mass DT and HOPED that there was no spore there, Nestea made a mistake, but tails' final plan there was reliant on luck, spore in main = tails is deaaaaad. Obviously its a deserved win and all, but to say it didn't rely on luck is silly.
i think there was a pylon in nesteas main so obv he wld still have been able to do a ton of damage. But if there was a spore in nesteas main, mvp tails would look like ogs inca. Shows you how close the differences are among these pro players.
Even if there was a spore there, 3 DT's kill a spore in no-time, plus he had 3 more warped in DT's soon after, I'm pretty sure 6 DT's could DPS down a lair before a overseer finishes morphing.
Are you reading my post? He was ready for the DT's, but the timing of the DT's walking in was extremely fortunate. Sure, Nestea played poorly because he didn't build a spore in the main, but be honest with yourself.
Explain to me how he was goona stop those Dt's that warped into his main?
if he doesn't let the others run through he wouldn't have had vision to warp in up there.
Frankly he should have built a safety crawler in there as soon as he saw the DTs near his gold (they got poked by the spine crawler at the gold).
If he want's to cut that he'd need to block his ramp.
On September 23 2011 22:02 labbe wrote: Why are everyone hyping Tails? It was really Nestea that made 2 MAJOR mistakes that cost him the game. Tails really didn't do anything.
You should just stop being a hater. Tails beat Nestea, who is godly at ZvP.
There's being a hater, and then there's taking a step back and looking at the fact that Nestea let those DTs into his main after he knew they were there. That wasn't godly play, that was a huge mistake that gave Tails a huge edge.
That didn't really give him a huge edge...NesTea had the most delayed upgrades ever, and then the army in the overlords.
Did no one else see the DT's barely walk by the roaches/lings? That wasn't timing, that was blind luck. A one second difference would've been game.
Nestea made lots of mistakes. Tails didn't make mistakes. Tails played better than nestea. Tails outplayed nestea. Tails won. Tails deserved it. It's not "luck", it's nestea making a ton of mistakes.
No, the DT's getting in the main is the definition of luck. Tails outplayed Nestea, that's why he won. But part of that outplaying relied on luck.
It's not the definition of luck. He should've been ready for DT's but he wasnt, thats a huge mistake. Stop calling everything luck.
But that is the definition of luck, his push got shut down, he warped in mass DT and HOPED that there was no spore there, Nestea made a mistake, but tails' final plan there was reliant on luck, spore in main = tails is deaaaaad. Obviously its a deserved win and all, but to say it didn't rely on luck is silly.
i think there was a pylon in nesteas main so obv he wld still have been able to do a ton of damage. But if there was a spore in nesteas main, mvp tails would look like ogs inca. Shows you how close the differences are among these pro players.
Not to mention, Nestea had no army close by to kill the dt's even if there was a spore. I still believe that if tails had killed the spore in the natural then proceeded to split dts to main/natural, he would of been better off. Nestea couldn't have stopped that.
Are you reading my post? He was ready for the DT's, but the timing of the DT's walking in was extremely fortunate. Sure, Nestea played poorly because he didn't build a spore in the main, but be honest with yourself.
Explain to me how he was goona stop those Dt's that warped into his main?
I think a lot of people missed this. NesTea was going to lose that Lair either way. He was still in a decent position, though. It was the silly failed drop attempt that lost him the game.
I would go as far to say he was ahead. He was delayed of course because he lost all his tech, but he would have probably been droning a lot of that time anyway. A failed drop and teching to hydras instead of Infestors really cost him.
Artosis said that he wouldn't put it past Nestea going drops because of the sim city of Tails, but I also think he'd planned to tech to Hydras and didn't change his plans once the Hydra tech was delayed long enough for Collossi to get out.
On September 23 2011 22:18 SolidMustard wrote: An average Protoss player taking down the best zerg and best terran in the world... well, I guess the patch did help Protoss ^^
There were probably some secret changes lol.
average rofl
so DRG played worse before he was this GSTL monster, right? You have to watch them play rather than talking about results
On September 23 2011 22:10 sisternx wrote: well as far as nestea goes i dont think hes a god like people say... i remember wolf i think saying qxc was beating nestea on ladder all the time or something like that. obviously his strength is planning strategies when he has a lot of time but above average when it comes to impromtu matches
People mainly say Nestea is a "god" because it is a running chuck norris-esque joke from tasteosis. Clearly one of the very top players at the moment but we all know no one is untouchable right now.
Yeah nestea definitely needs to prepare for matches to do well. Hes all about the strategy and not so much on mechanics.
Actually his strategy was fine. He just made two huge micro mistakes that cost him the game.
Yeah it probably was a one off mistake. nice play by tails to capitalise on those mistakes though.
(Vote): GSTL 1 Grand Final: IM 5 - 4 Startale (Vote): GSTL 2 Grand Final: Slayers 5 - 4 IM (Vote): GSTL 3 Grand Final: Slayers 5 - 4 MvP (Vote): GSTL Proleague Season 1 Ro6: MvP 5 - IM 4
Kinda sad how GSTL can have four series, three of them finals, go to the ninth game while the GSL Finals has only had two series out of ten that have gone to the sixth game.
No love for Slayers/MvP? Dat DRG/MMA showdown to start their rivalry.
I can't believe there's so little for IM vs ST, that was sooooo good.
Also on that subject, today was eerily similar to that series:
Losira loses to the opposing teams ace in a back and forth game.
MVP comes out to defeat the opposing teams ace after briefly being in an awkward position.
A lesser known Protoss comes out and defeats MVP in a crazy game
This time though the lesser known Protoss was able to keep it together and actually beat NesTea.
Are you reading my post? He was ready for the DT's, but the timing of the DT's walking in was extremely fortunate. Sure, Nestea played poorly because he didn't build a spore in the main, but be honest with yourself.
Explain to me how he was goona stop those Dt's that warped into his main?
Well, he should really have killed the pylon that was sitting in his main....
That would have made sense, right?
Correct me if wrong, but wasn't it a low ground warp?
Are you reading my post? He was ready for the DT's, but the timing of the DT's walking in was extremely fortunate. Sure, Nestea played poorly because he didn't build a spore in the main, but be honest with yourself.
Explain to me how he was goona stop those Dt's that warped into his main?
if he doesn't let the others run through he wouldn't have had vision to warp in up there.
Frankly he should have built a safety crawler in there as soon as he saw the DTs near his gold (they got poked by the spine crawler at the gold).
If he want's to cut that he'd need to block his ramp.
There was a pylon in his base. That sort of gives vision enough to warp in
Are you reading my post? He was ready for the DT's, but the timing of the DT's walking in was extremely fortunate. Sure, Nestea played poorly because he didn't build a spore in the main, but be honest with yourself.
Explain to me how he was goona stop those Dt's that warped into his main?
I think a lot of people missed this. NesTea was going to lose that Lair either way. He was still in a decent position, though. It was the silly failed drop attempt that lost him the game.
I would go as far to say he was ahead. He was delayed of course because he lost all his tech, but he would have probably been droning a lot of that time anyway. A failed drop and teching to hydras instead of Infestors really cost him.
Artosis said that he wouldn't put it past Nestea going drops because of the sim city of Tails, but I also think he'd planned to tech to Hydras and didn't change his plans once the Hydra tech was delayed long enough for Collossi to get out.
Wasn't he like 30 supply ahead even after losing the Lair?
A lot of people going to try to copy tails in ladder now but fail miserably because they wont have the same luck, or same micro or the opponent makes a slight deviation in build.
On September 23 2011 22:03 shockaslim wrote: [quote]
You should just stop being a hater. Tails beat Nestea, who is godly at ZvP.
There's being a hater, and then there's taking a step back and looking at the fact that Nestea let those DTs into his main after he knew they were there. That wasn't godly play, that was a huge mistake that gave Tails a huge edge.
That didn't really give him a huge edge...NesTea had the most delayed upgrades ever, and then the army in the overlords.
Did no one else see the DT's barely walk by the roaches/lings? That wasn't timing, that was blind luck. A one second difference would've been game.
Nestea made lots of mistakes. Tails didn't make mistakes. Tails played better than nestea. Tails outplayed nestea. Tails won. Tails deserved it. It's not "luck", it's nestea making a ton of mistakes.
No, the DT's getting in the main is the definition of luck. Tails outplayed Nestea, that's why he won. But part of that outplaying relied on luck.
It's not the definition of luck. He should've been ready for DT's but he wasnt, thats a huge mistake. Stop calling everything luck.
But that is the definition of luck, his push got shut down, he warped in mass DT and HOPED that there was no spore there, Nestea made a mistake, but tails' final plan there was reliant on luck, spore in main = tails is deaaaaad. Obviously its a deserved win and all, but to say it didn't rely on luck is silly.
i think there was a pylon in nesteas main so obv he wld still have been able to do a ton of damage. But if there was a spore in nesteas main, mvp tails would look like ogs inca. Shows you how close the differences are among these pro players.
Not to mention, Nestea had no army close by to kill the dt's even if there was a spore. I still believe that if tails had killed the spore in the natural then proceeded to split dts to main/natural, he would of been better off. Nestea couldn't have stopped that.
yeah i dun think it was a pylon in nesteas main. I think it was pylon below the ramp and the dts that walked in gave him the vision to warp those in. That makes it incredibly coin flippy, like going for a 4 gate and hoping your opponent overdrones. Played perfectly otherwise though.
Are you reading my post? He was ready for the DT's, but the timing of the DT's walking in was extremely fortunate. Sure, Nestea played poorly because he didn't build a spore in the main, but be honest with yourself.
Explain to me how he was goona stop those Dt's that warped into his main?
if he doesn't let the others run through he wouldn't have had vision to warp in up there.
Frankly he should have built a safety crawler in there as soon as he saw the DTs near his gold (they got poked by the spine crawler at the gold).
If he want's to cut that he'd need to block his ramp.
There was a pylon in his base. That sort of gives vision enough to warp in
Are you reading my post? He was ready for the DT's, but the timing of the DT's walking in was extremely fortunate. Sure, Nestea played poorly because he didn't build a spore in the main, but be honest with yourself.
Explain to me how he was goona stop those Dt's that warped into his main?
I think a lot of people missed this. NesTea was going to lose that Lair either way. He was still in a decent position, though. It was the silly failed drop attempt that lost him the game.
I would go as far to say he was ahead. He was delayed of course because he lost all his tech, but he would have probably been droning a lot of that time anyway. A failed drop and teching to hydras instead of Infestors really cost him.
Artosis said that he wouldn't put it past Nestea going drops because of the sim city of Tails, but I also think he'd planned to tech to Hydras and didn't change his plans once the Hydra tech was delayed long enough for Collossi to get out.
Wasn't he like 30 supply ahead even after losing the Lair?
Pylon was on the low ground, very quick move by Tails
He was also 30-40 supply up after that initial roach drop as well
Are you reading my post? He was ready for the DT's, but the timing of the DT's walking in was extremely fortunate. Sure, Nestea played poorly because he didn't build a spore in the main, but be honest with yourself.
Explain to me how he was goona stop those Dt's that warped into his main?
Well, he should really have killed the pylon that was sitting in his main....
That would have made sense, right?
Correct me if wrong, but wasn't it a low ground warp?
I'm pretty sure it was in the main. I remember watching Zerglings kill it when all the DTs died, and they were in the main
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