EPT[GSTL] Playoffs Day 2 - Page 170
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alan25
United States379 Posts
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Spicy Pepper
United States632 Posts
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Micket
United Kingdom2163 Posts
Prime didn't waste time sending bbongbbong and hongun against Bomber when Bomber came out. Prime sent out Marineking as soon as Bomber was playing. Difference? 5-2 instead of a 4-4 situation which might go either way. When IM has MVP who will beat DRG most of the days of the weak, why send in fodder? | ||
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Zaurus
Singapore676 Posts
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Serelitz
Netherlands2895 Posts
On September 23 2011 22:33 alan25 wrote: summary of nestea/mvp games? + Show Spoiler [DONT CLICK IF YOU WANT TO WATCH THE GAME] + MVP: Tails does dual stalker rush, ramp contain, perfect obs timing vs cloakshees and ramp contain delays 1/1/1 long enough to destroy it (Crossfire). Nestea: Forge FE vs 3hatch 1gas late lair, Tails goes 4gate DTs, kills the main lair due to a mistake by Nestea. Good defense from there on, Nestea does a huge roach drop which does moderate damage but loses his roaches. Nestea goes roach/hydra, has no spire or infestation pit, first 2 colossi are out. Nestea tries to drop again, stalkers blink under it while he's moving, loses his entire army, and from there on Tails just cleans up until Nestea GGs. | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On September 23 2011 22:35 Micket wrote: I don't understand the IM coach. When the opponent sends out their ACE in a winner's league match, you send in your ACE ASAP. IM should send in MVP as soon as DRG comes out. Why waste Younghwa and Losira against DRG? Prime didn't waste time sending bbongbbong and hongun against Bomber when Bomber came out. Prime sent out Marineking as soon as Bomber was playing. Difference? 5-2 instead of a 4-4 situation which might go either way. When IM has MVP who will beat DRG most of the days of the weak, why send in fodder? Well IM has made questionable decisions in the past (vs FXO for example), so this isn't entirely uncharacteristic, but I agree. | ||
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Twelve12
Australia268 Posts
On September 23 2011 22:33 alan25 wrote: summary of nestea/mvp games? + Show Spoiler + MVP does a 1/1/1 marine tank banshee push which is delayed because of cloak research. tails holds it off really well with good immortal/sentry use. MVP doesn't expand and goes for an all in with heavy banshee play. Tails gets pheonix out and holds the push with his ground and air army and MVP gg's out Nestea opens up strongly and takes the gold as his 3rd. Tails does some weak gateway pressure which is held off, but manages to sneak dark templar into nesteas main killing his lair and all his tech. Nestea attempts to do drops into tails' main with roach/hydra but in one of the drops he gets caught out with his army in overlords by blink stalkers. Tails counters with a large army and beats nestea | ||
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poorcloud
Singapore2748 Posts
On September 23 2011 22:36 Zaurus wrote: does winning with DT means undeserved? The build was planned and executed and not just some DT fail and I gg. He put on pressure at the gold, just to distract nestea while sending in 3 DTs, and warping in another after realising there is not detection in the main. Yeah but its not like he warped in those DTs at a corner of the map and ran them in. He warped them in full sight of nestea in the middle of the map then ran pass some spores. It could have been caught at the natural or gg, or nestea cld have a spore in his main and also gg. In general DT openings are like wishing, oh i hope my opponent misses something. Its not like you need amazing play to hold off DTs, you just need to be a lil less greedy. | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On September 23 2011 22:38 poorcloud wrote: Yeah but its not like he warped in those DTs at a corner of the map and ran them in. He warped them in full sight of nestea in the middle of the map then ran pass some spores. It could have been caught at the natural or gg, or nestea cld have a spore in his main and also gg. In general DT openings are like wishing, oh i hope my opponent misses something. Its not like you need amazing play to hold off DTs, you just need to be a lil less greedy. Yeah, but then the fail is on Nestea's part, not Tails. In SC the dude who makes less mistakes wins, and today it was Tails. | ||
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
On September 23 2011 22:19 Asha` wrote: I can't believe there's so little for IM vs ST, that was sooooo good. This is too hard to choose. As I said, GSTL finals are absorbing all the code S finals awesomeness. All GSTL finals have been great, not only because of games, but because of upsets, or because they had a unique story or atmosphere. Too hard to choose. | ||
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Oktyabr
Singapore2234 Posts
On September 23 2011 22:35 Micket wrote: I don't understand the IM coach. When the opponent sends out their ACE in a winner's league match, you send in your ACE ASAP. IM should send in MVP as soon as DRG comes out. Why waste Younghwa and Losira against DRG? Prime didn't waste time sending bbongbbong and hongun against Bomber when Bomber came out. Prime sent out Marineking as soon as Bomber was playing. Difference? 5-2 instead of a 4-4 situation which might go either way. When IM has MVP who will beat DRG most of the days of the weak, why send in fodder? He needed Younghwa to bleed out a map that DRG probably likes, and Losira probably feels extremely confident against DRG - and he was right. The game was close. | ||
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StorM__
Germany118 Posts
On September 23 2011 22:35 Micket wrote: I don't understand the IM coach. When the opponent sends out their ACE in a winner's league match, you send in your ACE ASAP. IM should send in MVP as soon as DRG comes out. Why waste Younghwa and Losira against DRG? Prime didn't waste time sending bbongbbong and hongun against Bomber when Bomber came out. Prime sent out Marineking as soon as Bomber was playing. Difference? 5-2 instead of a 4-4 situation which might go either way. When IM has MVP who will beat DRG most of the days of the weak, why send in fodder? maybe the IM coach wasnt sure about MVP beating DRG so he wanted to tire him out before sending MVP. | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On September 23 2011 22:35 Micket wrote: I don't understand the IM coach. When the opponent sends out their ACE in a winner's league match, you send in your ACE ASAP. IM should send in MVP as soon as DRG comes out. Why waste Younghwa and Losira against DRG? Prime didn't waste time sending bbongbbong and hongun against Bomber when Bomber came out. Prime sent out Marineking as soon as Bomber was playing. Difference? 5-2 instead of a 4-4 situation which might go either way. When IM has MVP who will beat DRG most of the days of the weak, why send in fodder? Probably just a tad overconfident in sending in yonghwa. Honestly, the zergs would've been the most logical choices against DRG so I could've understood sending Losira. Especially considering Losira was a paper's width from beating Drg, but lost mainly due to having no detection and he also just barely missed a key fungal that would have wiped out Drg's low hp infestors. | ||
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hai2u
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KimJongChill
United States6429 Posts
On September 23 2011 22:18 Orpheusz wrote: Meh, NesTea is really cocky in interviews and such, you'd expect different given his age. Not the confident cocky either like MC, just straight cocky. No, he's actually just really honest about how he feels. He's confident, but not without reason. | ||
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Zaurus
Singapore676 Posts
On September 23 2011 22:38 poorcloud wrote: Yeah but its not like he warped in those DTs at a corner of the map and ran them in. He warped them in full sight of nestea in the middle of the map then ran pass some spores. It could have been caught at the natural or gg, or nestea cld have a spore in his main and also gg. In general DT openings are like wishing, oh i hope my opponent misses something. Its not like you need amazing play to hold off DTs, you just need to be a lil less greedy. dude, you can't see DT warping in. He might have been lucky, he might have been behind if the DT harrass fail. But he could have retreated, morph DT into archons, defend and expand. He could have taken map control with the DT and keep up the harrass and expand behind using his DT. The game might have been closer if Nestea has a spore in the main. But seriously, when you are trying to defend your expansion, will you have the time to scroll over to your base? The better player during that game won. Stop saying the player don't deserve the win. Nestea deserve to lose and credit to Tails. | ||
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Runair
United States49 Posts
On September 23 2011 22:37 DystopiaX wrote: Well IM has made questionable decisions in the past (vs FXO for example), so this isn't entirely uncharacteristic, but I agree. They really should of learned from that series as well as the Startale match. Send out Nestea/MVP once the other team sends their best player out. The "tire him out with lesser players strat" doesn't make sense to me. Why should a progamer who plays 20-30 games per day play any different after 2-3 games? | ||
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Dakkas
2550 Posts
Then I come back to see Tails lolown the two best players in the world. This. Is. Superb | ||
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KimJongChill
United States6429 Posts
On September 23 2011 22:44 Zaurus wrote: dude, you can't see DT warping in. He might have been lucky, he might have been behind if the DT harrass fail. But he could have retreated, morph DT into archons, defend and expand. He could have taken map control with the DT and keep up the harrass and expand behind using his DT. The game might have been closer if Nestea has a spore in the main. But seriously, when you are trying to defend your expansion, will you have the time to scroll over to your base? The better player during that game won. Stop saying the player don't deserve the win. Nestea deserve to lose and credit to Tails. No, the game would've been over if those 3 dt's had warped in a second earlier or later. It took 6 dt's taking out an entire main to even up the game. | ||
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ThatGuy89
United Kingdom1968 Posts
IM: DRG? its ok. hes not been playing very well, lets test his ZvT ZvP and ZvZ before we actually try to take him out with MVP nice move -_- | ||
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