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Hassybaby
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom10823 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-23 13:53:31
September 23 2011 13:53 GMT
#3401
Ok, the VODs were up, and we were both right

There were 2 pylons, one on the low ground, one on the high ground. Watch that game again. NONE of the DTs deviated to give view to the low pylon, the new DTs were warped in because of the pylon in the high ground

That is a huge mistake from Nestea
"These guys are mindfucking me into a sex coma" | "Mayonnaise is a must-have lubricant when performing necrophilia"
antilyon
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Brazil2546 Posts
September 23 2011 13:55 GMT
#3402
On September 23 2011 22:35 Micket wrote:
I don't understand the IM coach. When the opponent sends out their ACE in a winner's league match, you send in your ACE ASAP. IM should send in MVP as soon as DRG comes out. Why waste Younghwa and Losira against DRG?

Prime didn't waste time sending bbongbbong and hongun against Bomber when Bomber came out. Prime sent out Marineking as soon as Bomber was playing. Difference? 5-2 instead of a 4-4 situation which might go either way.

When IM has MVP who will beat DRG most of the days of the weak, why send in fodder?

Not really, when a team send his ace, you send a sniper.
Supamang
Profile Joined June 2010
United States2298 Posts
September 23 2011 13:56 GMT
#3403
On September 23 2011 22:21 andaylin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2011 22:20 Supamang wrote:

im looking at huk's twitter and i dont see this tweet. i think we all just got trolled lol.

lol i thought about it right after i posted and deleted hoping no one would respond to me =\
Maghetti
Profile Joined May 2008
United States2429 Posts
September 23 2011 13:59 GMT
#3404
I think the IM coach had the right strategy. Realistically DRG was the only threat. They threw a protoss sniper at him, using up his favorite map, then a zerg perfectly capable of beating him, then the best terran. They would have used nestea last if needed. You can't plan for a random protoss killing the two best players in the world on a team known for relying entiely on DRG.
Ruscour
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
5233 Posts
September 23 2011 14:05 GMT
#3405
On September 23 2011 22:50 ThatGuy89 wrote:
MVP: lets send out DRG to stop happy allkilling us
IM: DRG? its ok. hes not been playing very well, lets test his ZvT ZvP and ZvZ before we actually try to take him out with MVP

nice move -_-

What? They send out MVP first before DRG's worn out and DRG wins. Then what? He'll run through everyone not named NesTea, and even that would be close. And it's not like they sent out bad players, YongHwa and LosirA are both great players.

For once, the IM coach sent out the right players at the right time.
sVnteen
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany2238 Posts
September 23 2011 14:05 GMT
#3406
what the tails ?

did not see the games and looked at the results 1by1 see drg lose and im like OVER

and then tails kills the to best players on the planet WOOOT nicely done tails
MY LIFE STARTS NOW ♥
Hassybaby
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom10823 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-23 14:05:57
September 23 2011 14:05 GMT
#3407
On September 23 2011 22:53 Hassybaby wrote:
Ok, the VODs were up, and we were both right

There were 2 pylons, one on the low ground, one on the high ground. Watch that game again. NONE of the DTs deviated to give view to the low pylon, the new DTs were warped in because of the pylon in the high ground

That is a huge mistake from Nestea


[image loading]

Clearly a pylon getting destroyed there. I'm just saying





I'm so sorry
"These guys are mindfucking me into a sex coma" | "Mayonnaise is a must-have lubricant when performing necrophilia"
tehplank
Profile Joined October 2010
977 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-23 14:09:12
September 23 2011 14:07 GMT
#3408
On September 23 2011 22:59 Maghetti wrote:
I think the IM coach had the right strategy. Realistically DRG was the only threat. They threw a protoss sniper at him, using up his favorite map, then a zerg perfectly capable of beating him, then the best terran. They would have used nestea last if needed. You can't plan for a random protoss killing the two best players in the world on a team known for relying entiely on DRG.


I gotta agree with this. Before today, would you believe that a code B player playing a struggling race would win against arguably the best Terran and the best Zerg in a row? They planned against DRG because it's a known fact that MVP relies on him heavily. There's no way they could have seen Tails coming.
Minatozaki Sana / Hirai Momo / Myoui Mina / Yoo Jeongyeon / Zhou Tzuyu / Im Nayeon / Son Chaeyoung / Kim Dahyun / Park Jihyo
sinkan
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden115 Posts
September 23 2011 14:08 GMT
#3409
I have never seen this, so is it serious?
do they play their best?
KimJongChill
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6429 Posts
September 23 2011 14:08 GMT
#3410
On September 23 2011 23:05 Hassybaby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2011 22:53 Hassybaby wrote:
Ok, the VODs were up, and we were both right

There were 2 pylons, one on the low ground, one on the high ground. Watch that game again. NONE of the DTs deviated to give view to the low pylon, the new DTs were warped in because of the pylon in the high ground

That is a huge mistake from Nestea


[image loading]

Clearly a pylon getting destroyed there. I'm just saying





I'm so sorry


holy god, that's terrible oversight on his part...
MMA: U realise MMA: Most of my army EgIdra: fuck off MMA: Killed my orbital MMA: LOL MMA: just saying MMA: u werent loss
Goibon
Profile Joined May 2010
New Zealand8185 Posts
September 23 2011 14:08 GMT
#3411
omg i had no idea there was a pylon in the main as well

How the hell did that get in there?

*rewatches*
Leenock =^_^= Ryung =^_^= Parting =^_^= herO =^_^= Guilty
Hassybaby
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom10823 Posts
September 23 2011 14:10 GMT
#3412
On September 23 2011 23:08 Goibon wrote:
omg i had no idea there was a pylon in the main as well

How the hell did that get in there?

*rewatches*


There's even an overlord on top of them....
"These guys are mindfucking me into a sex coma" | "Mayonnaise is a must-have lubricant when performing necrophilia"
Yomi-no-Kuni
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany333 Posts
September 23 2011 14:12 GMT
#3413
it appears he would've lost his main even if he didnt let the templars pass into his main...
can someone clear up how the pylon got there?
ladyumbra
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada1699 Posts
September 23 2011 14:13 GMT
#3414
I'm not sure why people are second guessing the IM coach's decisions. DRG has proven fallible to protoss several times in the past including his last code A season where I think it was JYP knocked him out in round of 16 so sending a protoss to face him was not a bad idea. That fails so they send Losira, whom most would say has better ZvZ than coca and coca beat DRG at mlg. Because Losira and Nestea play somewhat similar style this also allows Nestea to see how DRG responds to that style and formulate a way to exploit any flaws he sees. Losira loses a very back and forth game and then MVP goes out to crush face. Could they have sent him out sooner, of course, should they, maybe; however it's not like their lineup lacked sense it just didn't happen to pan out.


NSHoSeo is the next challenge for team MVP and I kind of want to see Seal vs DRG just for the creep spread.
0neder
Profile Joined July 2009
United States3733 Posts
September 23 2011 14:14 GMT
#3415
Wow, I need to buy a pass for this.
shockaslim
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1104 Posts
September 23 2011 14:15 GMT
#3416
On September 23 2011 22:35 Micket wrote:
I don't understand the IM coach. When the opponent sends out their ACE in a winner's league match, you send in your ACE ASAP. IM should send in MVP as soon as DRG comes out. Why waste Younghwa and Losira against DRG?

Prime didn't waste time sending bbongbbong and hongun against Bomber when Bomber came out. Prime sent out Marineking as soon as Bomber was playing. Difference? 5-2 instead of a 4-4 situation which might go either way.

When IM has MVP who will beat DRG most of the days of the weak, why send in fodder?


It is a HUGE risk to send out MVP against DRG because he is a TvZ monster.
Dirty Deeds...DONE DIRT CHEAP!!!
KunFuSion
Profile Joined May 2011
United States189 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-23 14:17:22
September 23 2011 14:16 GMT
#3417
On September 23 2011 23:12 Yomi-no-Kuni wrote:
it appears he would've lost his main even if he didnt let the templars pass into his main...
can someone clear up how the pylon got there?


The pylon was on the lowground and got vision in the misty area. Nestea did target it, but was barely too late. Well executed two-prong attack from Tails.
Gotta always protect them mcnuggets.
Micket
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2163 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-23 14:18:56
September 23 2011 14:16 GMT
#3418
On September 23 2011 22:55 antilyon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2011 22:35 Micket wrote:
I don't understand the IM coach. When the opponent sends out their ACE in a winner's league match, you send in your ACE ASAP. IM should send in MVP as soon as DRG comes out. Why waste Younghwa and Losira against DRG?

Prime didn't waste time sending bbongbbong and hongun against Bomber when Bomber came out. Prime sent out Marineking as soon as Bomber was playing. Difference? 5-2 instead of a 4-4 situation which might go either way.

When IM has MVP who will beat DRG most of the days of the weak, why send in fodder?

Not really, when a team send his ace, you send a sniper.

Not when the other team sends his ACE out early. Snipers do NOT have a better chance of beating an ACE than your own ACE. If DRG was last, then sure, send out your snipers to wear him down. But when he is 2nd to last and you have a MASSIVE lead, send in your ACE to make sure there is NO chance you are losing. Again, look at Prime vs ST and see how Prime wasted no time in removing Bomber with Marineking even though they had a 4:2 lead. You simply can't fodder in team league. DRG is especially hard to snipe anyway, it isn't like MMA who is Protoss weak, Bomber who is BM weak and Marineking who is TvT weak. DRG is solid so you send in the guy that pratically never loses when playing solid.

IM have this final boss mentality for their best players which makes them overreliant.
Hassybaby
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom10823 Posts
September 23 2011 14:17 GMT
#3419
On September 23 2011 23:12 Yomi-no-Kuni wrote:
it appears he would've lost his main even if he didnt let the templars pass into his main...
can someone clear up how the pylon got there?


I just had a look. Around when he started the attack on the gold, he sent a probe to place a pylon on the low ground, then sent it straight into the main to place a pylon in the main. That finished around the same time as the DTs started heading towards the main

Nestea seems too have sent some Zerglings, but too late
"These guys are mindfucking me into a sex coma" | "Mayonnaise is a must-have lubricant when performing necrophilia"
Maghetti
Profile Joined May 2008
United States2429 Posts
September 23 2011 14:17 GMT
#3420
On September 23 2011 23:07 tehplank wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2011 22:59 Maghetti wrote:
I think the IM coach had the right strategy. Realistically DRG was the only threat. They threw a protoss sniper at him, using up his favorite map, then a zerg perfectly capable of beating him, then the best terran. They would have used nestea last if needed. You can't plan for a random protoss killing the two best players in the world on a team known for relying entiely on DRG.


I gotta agree with this. Before today, would you believe that a code B player playing a struggling race would win against arguably the best Terran and the best Zerg in a row? They planned against DRG because it's a known fact that MVP relies on him heavily. There's no way they could have seen Tails coming.

Isn't that what I said? >.> I said they acted properly against MVP by focusing on beating DRG. They didn't have an answer to Tails because who the hell would lol
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