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On September 18 2011 01:54 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Oh stop whining you lot. Bunch of sissies on this forum. The only drama is coming from you guys. Enjoy the tournament and stop acting like this is TMZ XD
Eee
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden2712 Posts
September 17 2011 21:25 GMT
#10001
On September 18 2011 06:23 Azarkon wrote:
A small invitational like DH Valencia isn't really the apt comparison to MLG, which are almost always big and grand. I like MLG for the reason that we get to see more games from more players. I mean, Naniwa's run this invitational was like, what, two games? Same with IdrA. With big names like these you want them to have more chances to show what they're capable of, and MLG kind of does that (though it does go overboard with how hard it is to fall out of the championship bracket).

Yeah, but this is a different kind of event, if you want them to have another chance then there's DH Winter and DH Summer. DH Inv. is a spectator event, it should be seen more as going to a "concert" rather than a big convention. It's focus is entirely different than MLG.
hugman
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden4644 Posts
September 17 2011 21:26 GMT
#10002
On September 18 2011 06:23 Azarkon wrote:
A small invitational like DH Valencia isn't really the apt comparison to MLG, which are almost always big and grand. I like MLG for the reason that we get to see more games from more players. I mean, Naniwa's run this invitational was like, what, two games? Same with IdrA. With big names like these you want them to have more chances to show what they're capable of, and MLG kind of does that (though it does go overboard with how hard it is to fall out of the championship bracket).


I think the point is just that you can always strive to improve and of course it's challenging to have the same kind of production with an event more than ten times as big, but it's still worth pointing out things that they can learn.
busbarn
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden984 Posts
September 17 2011 21:27 GMT
#10003
Getting a bit angry at people comparing tournaments. They both are good events and they both got their flaws, be happy for what you get.
Havefa1th
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States245 Posts
September 17 2011 21:27 GMT
#10004
On September 18 2011 06:20 trucane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2011 06:16 forsooth wrote:
On September 18 2011 06:08 Eishi_Ki wrote:
On September 18 2011 06:06 TaKemE wrote:
On September 18 2011 06:04 Spitmode wrote:
On September 18 2011 06:03 Noocta wrote:
And that's why Dreamhack is the best tournament, period. Great matches, great production, and it's Free !


so true. best production BY FAR! mlg, please watch this and learn.


What does MLG need to learn? they for sure had a better stream.


How to host an event, quick game turnover, how to do a concise ceremony that isn't awkward, how to do adverts. There are many others I'm sure

You are of course aware that MLG is much much larger in size, hosts two streams at the same time, and has brought us some of the most memorable moments thus far in SC2, are you not? MLG does an amazing job, I don't see why every time a Dreamhack thread comes around people start calling it out...

MLG is mostly known for jumping on the console bandwagon, aiming for fratboys in the states jumping up and down in excitment over the last Halo game. If you can't see the difference and why people get upset then you should study some Esport history.

MLG has an equally long and colorful history, when the only game was Halo 1 for the Xbox and teams drove across the country sleeping in vans to play on old TVs in folding chairs for $150 worth in prizes. MLG started as a hobby for Sundance and has turned into something that is not only benefiting the foreign scene, but is globalizing Starcraft and esports in general. And let's not be totally ignorant about the console thing, esports is esports.

Say what you want about MLG, but give them some damn credit too. Dreamhack is the shit, but then again, so is MLG.
"Apparently I just needed to play the way I did... and realize he killed his own command center." - Idra
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-17 21:31:23
September 17 2011 21:27 GMT
#10005
On September 18 2011 06:25 Eee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2011 06:23 Azarkon wrote:
A small invitational like DH Valencia isn't really the apt comparison to MLG, which are almost always big and grand. I like MLG for the reason that we get to see more games from more players. I mean, Naniwa's run this invitational was like, what, two games? Same with IdrA. With big names like these you want them to have more chances to show what they're capable of, and MLG kind of does that (though it does go overboard with how hard it is to fall out of the championship bracket).

Yeah, but this is a different kind of event, if you want them to have another chance then there's DH Winter and DH Summer. DH Inv. is a spectator event, it should be seen more as going to a "concert" rather than a big convention. It's focus is entirely different than MLG.


I know it is. Just pointing out why the comparisons to MLG doesn't really apply. DH Summer and Winter can be compared, but it's a while between Summer and Winter. MLG fulfills a very real need for more big LAN tournaments in SC 2, and I think that's kind of their niche.
SPQR13
Profile Joined June 2011
181 Posts
September 17 2011 21:29 GMT
#10006
On September 18 2011 06:10 Pipeline wrote:
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On September 18 2011 06:03 mrtomjones wrote:
what a stupid idea to not split prize money. That just screws the other players over. They deserve a financial boost for performing in a tournament.


Please take time and get your facts straight before you comment.

All players were flown to Valencia for free.
All players got to stay at a 5 star hotel.
All players had their own computers available during the entire event.
Top 2 gets wildcards to DH winter.
Winner got 15000 USD.


forgot the most important there :
They were INVITED !!!
DertoQq
Profile Joined October 2010
France906 Posts
September 17 2011 21:30 GMT
#10007
On September 18 2011 06:24 whiteLotus wrote:
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On September 18 2011 06:23 Fluffeh wrote:
On September 18 2011 01:54 eqez wrote:
On September 18 2011 01:51 thirnaz wrote:
People that whine about how 2GD is as a person with the jokes and everything, dreamhack knew what they were paying for they've had him a lot of times before and imo he is much "nicer" now than what he was when he worked for ESL haha




Always telling Zalmah hes homosexual :D





Omg I lold WAY too hard at this ...


watch this
and lol even more


I lol'd so much : D
"i've made some empty promises in my life, but hands down that was the most generous" - Michael Scott
Kevan
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden2303 Posts
September 17 2011 21:30 GMT
#10008
On September 18 2011 06:18 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
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On September 18 2011 06:13 Kevan wrote:
On September 18 2011 06:08 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On September 18 2011 06:07 4ZakeN87 wrote:
Great tournament ^^ Dreamhack>MLG.

Really sad that Thorzain couldnt take :,( Ah well made for great final, to bad DRG didnt go up against one of the protoss earlier, would have won Thorzain the tournament


To be fair, Dreamhack is never going to come close to MLG. That being said, both tournaments are great!

I think it's cool we're going to hit 500 pages too


MLG has the crowd and Code A/S spots. Dreamhack has production, worlds biggest LAN and best foreigners(EU players mainly).

To me it´s pretty even.


MLG has production as well (and I've been to one), more of the best foreigners (Naniwa, Thorzain, Huk, and IdrA have all been to MLG too... not to mention dozens of other greats) and more great Koreans. And it's a weekend long, not just a few hours.

But anyways, this isn't a comparison thread, so I won't argue which is better. What's important in this thread is that DreamHack was very well done! ♥


Dreamhacks are longer than MLGs, this was just an invitational. And DH has had all the good foreigners from EU, NA and of course Sen MLG has had better Koreans though.

But I agree, we shouldn´t care too much about which one is better because they´re both awesome

SC2, rip in pepperinos
Djagulingu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany3605 Posts
September 17 2011 21:31 GMT
#10009
Is it 3-1 or 3-2 for DRG?
"windows bash is a steaming heap of shit" tofucake
Eee
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden2712 Posts
September 17 2011 21:32 GMT
#10010
On September 18 2011 06:27 Azarkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2011 06:25 Eee wrote:
On September 18 2011 06:23 Azarkon wrote:
A small invitational like DH Valencia isn't really the apt comparison to MLG, which are almost always big and grand. I like MLG for the reason that we get to see more games from more players. I mean, Naniwa's run this invitational was like, what, two games? Same with IdrA. With big names like these you want them to have more chances to show what they're capable of, and MLG kind of does that (though it does go overboard with how hard it is to fall out of the championship bracket).

Yeah, but this is a different kind of event, if you want them to have another chance then there's DH Winter and DH Summer. DH Inv. is a spectator event, it should be seen more as going to a "concert" rather than a big convention. It's focus is entirely different than MLG.


I know it is. Just pointing out why the comparisons to MLG doesn't really apply. DH Summer and Winter can be compared, but it's a long time to Summer and then Winter. MLG fulfills a very real need for more big LAN tournaments in SC 2, and I think that's kind of their niche.

That's true. Player-wise i'd like to think that IEM is better than MLG. But spectator-wise MLG is better.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15724 Posts
September 17 2011 21:33 GMT
#10011
On September 18 2011 06:31 Djagulingu wrote:
Is it 3-1 or 3-2 for DRG?

3-2
Weson
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Iceland1032 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-17 21:36:05
September 17 2011 21:33 GMT
#10012
Well you cant compare this event to MLG. This was a invatational. They had 8 players and it's way way easier to have a event with 8 players rather then the amount MLG has. You haev to compare MLG to DHWinter/Summer but those are not either really compareable. DH is mainly a LAN. The E-sport thing is a thing they got on the side.
Im just glad for all the things DH and MLG does for the scene. I really dont see any reason whay there are so many retards on this forum that argues that one is better then the other.
"!@€#" - as some guy said
Chenz
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden1197 Posts
September 17 2011 21:34 GMT
#10013
I want to stress that this wasn't a dreamhack, this was a dreamhack invitational. There's quite the difference between the two.
hugman
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden4644 Posts
September 17 2011 21:35 GMT
#10014
Kelly and TLO @ Stockholm barcraft?

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Zorgaz
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden2951 Posts
September 17 2011 21:35 GMT
#10015
On September 18 2011 06:23 Fluffeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2011 01:54 eqez wrote:
On September 18 2011 01:51 thirnaz wrote:
People that whine about how 2GD is as a person with the jokes and everything, dreamhack knew what they were paying for they've had him a lot of times before and imo he is much "nicer" now than what he was when he worked for ESL haha


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rjH-ZrAyqU

Always telling Zalmah hes homosexual :D





Omg I lold WAY too hard at this ...


Hahaha man casting with him back then... xd hilarious
Furthermore, I think the Collosi should be removed! (Zorgaz -Terran/AbrA-Random/Zorg-Dota2) Guineapigs <3
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
September 17 2011 21:37 GMT
#10016
So...is 2GD gonna get laid tonight?

+ Show Spoiler +
Does a bear shit in the woods?
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
Hierarch
Profile Joined February 2011
United States2197 Posts
September 17 2011 21:37 GMT
#10017
Anyone know any info on the vod situation?
MC|NonY|HerO|NaDa|MVP|DRG|Ret|Sen|Dimaga|Leenock
ellirc
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3286 Posts
September 17 2011 21:38 GMT
#10018
On September 18 2011 06:37 AlternativeEgo wrote:
So...is 2GD gonna get laid tonight?

+ Show Spoiler +
Does a bear shit in the woods?

Does 2GD have like the hottest GF in the scen? Yes.
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
September 17 2011 21:42 GMT
#10019
On September 18 2011 06:38 ellirc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2011 06:37 AlternativeEgo wrote:
So...is 2GD gonna get laid tonight?

+ Show Spoiler +
Does a bear shit in the woods?

Does 2GD have like the hottest GF in the scen? Yes.


Wait, are you telling me that he is taken? D`:
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
Klunssila
Profile Joined December 2010
United States220 Posts
September 17 2011 21:44 GMT
#10020
On September 18 2011 06:38 ellirc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2011 06:37 AlternativeEgo wrote:
So...is 2GD gonna get laid tonight?

+ Show Spoiler +
Does a bear shit in the woods?

Does 2GD have like the hottest GF in the scen? Yes.

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