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DreamHack Valencia Invitational LIVE THREAD - Page 503

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On September 18 2011 01:54 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Oh stop whining you lot. Bunch of sissies on this forum. The only drama is coming from you guys. Enjoy the tournament and stop acting like this is TMZ XD
hugman
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden4644 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-17 22:17:00
September 17 2011 22:16 GMT
#10041
On September 18 2011 07:11 tyCe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2011 07:07 Gigaudas wrote:
I'm happy about Thorzain's performance BUT... I would've been so fucking ecstatic if Thorzain would have won, I fucking love Thorzain. And I honestly don't think it's about nationality.

Because he's such an unassuming, talented and lovable dude? He's certainly the best non-Korean player in the world. If only he felt that staying in Korea to practise was a good idea.

I don't think he's comfortable living in a house with lots of other guys he barely knows and who, for the most part, don't speak English. I think he still lives with his parents so I think it's understandable. If he doesn't want to be there he won't get much out of it anyway.
Licit
Profile Joined March 2011
Japan237 Posts
September 17 2011 22:17 GMT
#10042
Korean reactions plz! <3
grandmoose
Profile Joined April 2010
United States160 Posts
September 17 2011 22:18 GMT
#10043
Doesn't the Korean scene already consider Thorzain the best foreigner?
not really a moose
aepal
Profile Joined May 2010
Netherlands123 Posts
September 17 2011 22:18 GMT
#10044
Any info about the VOD's? I missed the whole thing !! ((
ellirc
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3286 Posts
September 17 2011 22:20 GMT
#10045
On September 18 2011 07:18 grandmoose wrote:
Doesn't the Korean scene already consider Thorzain the best foreigner?

Alot of the players have him up there at least..
Evangelist
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
1246 Posts
September 17 2011 22:21 GMT
#10046
ThorZaiN is sublime and he's only going to get better with time. Based on the strength of that performance and the level of practice he's had I'd say he's well beyond low Code A level.

I also love the fact that he's not only so analytical, but he's also very gracious in victory and defeat.
cosineInfinity
Profile Joined April 2011
United States178 Posts
September 17 2011 22:22 GMT
#10047
"gg wp congratulations!"

Mannerzain ftw
Otori
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden164 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-17 22:24:33
September 17 2011 22:23 GMT
#10048
Barcraft was wonderful, here's some pics and a small vid.

I managed to get pics of TLO and kellymilkies.

Kelly:
[image loading]

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TLO:

[image loading]

Uploaded with ImageShack.us




Small vid of when thorz wins one of the games, I was the one screaming the loudest >_>
http://tinypic.com/player.php?v=20uea8o&s=7

MORE BARCRAFTS IN SWEDEN! It was completely awesome.
vnlegend
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States1389 Posts
September 17 2011 22:23 GMT
#10049
Felt like Thorzain's style lacks the confidence of Korean TvZ'ers. He was just playing too scared.

I think game 2(?) or something he was up 40 scvs vs 19 drones after the successful Slayers TvZ attack and he just stood in the middle of the map with tanks/marines and got like all of his army picked off by mutas. I think he still won but it was wayyyy too timid a style vs Korean Zergs.

Korean Terrans understand the timings, their strengths, the zerg's weaknesses, and how to abuse the Z or outmacro them. Thorzain's middle-of-the-road strategy of playing is neither aggressive or greedy enough.

Watching this series reminds me of Bomber telling Nada about DRG's secret. It seems to be a heavy reliance on mass zerglings and mutas which can get countered by mass mass marines.
Marines > everything
nodule
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada931 Posts
September 17 2011 22:23 GMT
#10050
Losing 2-3 to DRG is no shame.
Euronyme
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden3804 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-17 22:25:48
September 17 2011 22:24 GMT
#10051
God, sick games.. So back and forth. I honestly tabbed down and caught up some on the funny pictures thread when the roaches streamed in after his double expand..
How the holy hell did he survive that? Did he kill them with his SCVs? O_O
There were like five of them for christ sakes.

Edit: Where's that barcraft thing? Looks pretty sweet!
Will it continue on for MLGs and whatnot?
I bet i can maı̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̨̨̨̨̨̨ke you wipe your screen.
hugman
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden4644 Posts
September 17 2011 22:25 GMT
#10052
On September 18 2011 07:24 Euronyme wrote:
God, sick games.. So back and forth. I honestly tabbed down and caught up some on the funny pictures thread when the roaches streamed in after his double expand..
How the holy hell did he survive that? Did he kill them with his SCVs? O_O
There were like five of them for christ sakes.


He bought time with SCVs to get a marauder and tank out
tuho12345
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
4482 Posts
September 17 2011 22:29 GMT
#10053
herO played so beautiful in game 2 vs IdrA. The most complete outclassing game I've ever seen. Not that herO is too good, but IdrA was lacked of multitasking and he stacked 5k in the bank but didn't make spine crawlers to defend, and too shy to attack right after the fail DTs rush.
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
September 17 2011 22:32 GMT
#10054
On September 18 2011 07:11 xN.07)MaK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2011 07:05 Blasphemi wrote:
On September 18 2011 06:47 hugman wrote:
I wonder what it is with ThorZaIN's play. He consistently does better against Koreans than most foreigners but doesn't dominate the foreigner scene like you'd think. I'm not saying he does bad against other foreigners, but he can lose to players who get eaten alive by Koreans.


His record isn't really particularly good versus Koreans though. He does better than guys like Kas, Happy, Strelok and BratOK because he's flat out better than them, but not so much better he can dominate them.

The best foreigners like Naniwa and Thorzain occupy the middle ground at a bottom of Code A level where they will generally beat most foreigners but won't dominate them endlessly because they're not Code S level but like all Code A players they can take games from Code S players.

They're about as good as Rain who has a brilliant record since joining Fnatic but is unlikely to win an MLG or a Dreamhack when Korean powerhouses are present.


The feeling you get when u see Thorzain is that he is not gonna be completely destroyed, even when he loses. He always puts a fight, and sometimes he wins tournaments.

Haven't had that feeling from another foreigner ever.


Really? I'd say Jinro and Idra were better than a lot of koreans in their prime. Idra might have eliminated MVP in gsl3 were it not for the terrible maps. Jinro went to the ro4 twice and went first in his group in March. Both went deep in January while taking out some significant names along the way.

Also, I feel like Naniwa is actually at a similar level to Thorzain but he seems to just blow it at times, whereas it feels like Thorzain is always calm. In both his series against Rain for instance, he completely outplayed him in the first game then proceeded to fall apart in the next two.
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
Beyonder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands15103 Posts
September 17 2011 22:44 GMT
#10055
Omg so sad that I missed most of this T________T!
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hugman
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden4644 Posts
September 17 2011 22:44 GMT
#10056
On September 18 2011 07:23 Otori wrote:
Barcraft was wonderful, here's some pics and a small vid.

I managed to get pics of TLO and kellymilkies.

Kelly:
[image loading]

Uploaded with ImageShack.us

TLO:

[image loading]

Uploaded with ImageShack.us




Small vid of when thorz wins one of the games, I was the one screaming the loudest >_>
http://tinypic.com/player.php?v=20uea8o&s=7

MORE BARCRAFTS IN SWEDEN! It was completely awesome.


How come Kelly is in Stockholm?
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
September 17 2011 22:45 GMT
#10057
So happy DRG won! He deserves it, but thorzain put up a hell of a fight and played great.
Top 10 favourite pros: MKP, MVP, MC, Nestea, DRG, Jaedong, Flash, Life, Creator, Leenock
supdubdup
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States916 Posts
September 17 2011 22:45 GMT
#10058
Does DreamHack release replays?
Turn it Up
Otori
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden164 Posts
September 17 2011 22:47 GMT
#10059
On September 18 2011 07:44 hugman wrote:


How come Kelly is in Stockholm?


I don't know, but was nice to see her there.
straycat
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
230 Posts
September 17 2011 22:55 GMT
#10060
Are there any vods to catch? My connection was very erratic during the streaming so I tried getting to platinum instead of watching the streams.

PS No, still gold.
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