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On September 18 2011 01:54 TotalBiscuit wrote: Oh stop whining you lot. Bunch of sissies on this forum. The only drama is coming from you guys. Enjoy the tournament and stop acting like this is TMZ XD
On September 18 2011 07:07 Gigaudas wrote: I'm happy about Thorzain's performance BUT... I would've been so fucking ecstatic if Thorzain would have won, I fucking love Thorzain. And I honestly don't think it's about nationality.
Because he's such an unassuming, talented and lovable dude? He's certainly the best non-Korean player in the world. If only he felt that staying in Korea to practise was a good idea.
I don't think he's comfortable living in a house with lots of other guys he barely knows and who, for the most part, don't speak English. I think he still lives with his parents so I think it's understandable. If he doesn't want to be there he won't get much out of it anyway.
ThorZaiN is sublime and he's only going to get better with time. Based on the strength of that performance and the level of practice he's had I'd say he's well beyond low Code A level.
I also love the fact that he's not only so analytical, but he's also very gracious in victory and defeat.
Felt like Thorzain's style lacks the confidence of Korean TvZ'ers. He was just playing too scared.
I think game 2(?) or something he was up 40 scvs vs 19 drones after the successful Slayers TvZ attack and he just stood in the middle of the map with tanks/marines and got like all of his army picked off by mutas. I think he still won but it was wayyyy too timid a style vs Korean Zergs.
Korean Terrans understand the timings, their strengths, the zerg's weaknesses, and how to abuse the Z or outmacro them. Thorzain's middle-of-the-road strategy of playing is neither aggressive or greedy enough.
Watching this series reminds me of Bomber telling Nada about DRG's secret. It seems to be a heavy reliance on mass zerglings and mutas which can get countered by mass mass marines.
God, sick games.. So back and forth. I honestly tabbed down and caught up some on the funny pictures thread when the roaches streamed in after his double expand.. How the holy hell did he survive that? Did he kill them with his SCVs? O_O There were like five of them for christ sakes.
Edit: Where's that barcraft thing? Looks pretty sweet! Will it continue on for MLGs and whatnot?
On September 18 2011 07:24 Euronyme wrote: God, sick games.. So back and forth. I honestly tabbed down and caught up some on the funny pictures thread when the roaches streamed in after his double expand.. How the holy hell did he survive that? Did he kill them with his SCVs? O_O There were like five of them for christ sakes.
He bought time with SCVs to get a marauder and tank out
herO played so beautiful in game 2 vs IdrA. The most complete outclassing game I've ever seen. Not that herO is too good, but IdrA was lacked of multitasking and he stacked 5k in the bank but didn't make spine crawlers to defend, and too shy to attack right after the fail DTs rush.
On September 18 2011 06:47 hugman wrote: I wonder what it is with ThorZaIN's play. He consistently does better against Koreans than most foreigners but doesn't dominate the foreigner scene like you'd think. I'm not saying he does bad against other foreigners, but he can lose to players who get eaten alive by Koreans.
His record isn't really particularly good versus Koreans though. He does better than guys like Kas, Happy, Strelok and BratOK because he's flat out better than them, but not so much better he can dominate them.
The best foreigners like Naniwa and Thorzain occupy the middle ground at a bottom of Code A level where they will generally beat most foreigners but won't dominate them endlessly because they're not Code S level but like all Code A players they can take games from Code S players.
They're about as good as Rain who has a brilliant record since joining Fnatic but is unlikely to win an MLG or a Dreamhack when Korean powerhouses are present.
The feeling you get when u see Thorzain is that he is not gonna be completely destroyed, even when he loses. He always puts a fight, and sometimes he wins tournaments.
Haven't had that feeling from another foreigner ever.
Really? I'd say Jinro and Idra were better than a lot of koreans in their prime. Idra might have eliminated MVP in gsl3 were it not for the terrible maps. Jinro went to the ro4 twice and went first in his group in March. Both went deep in January while taking out some significant names along the way.
Also, I feel like Naniwa is actually at a similar level to Thorzain but he seems to just blow it at times, whereas it feels like Thorzain is always calm. In both his series against Rain for instance, he completely outplayed him in the first game then proceeded to fall apart in the next two.
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