EPTI'd put SeleCT's TvP over Thorzain, but Thorzain has the best overall mechanics with Terran that I've seen from a foreigner.
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Vindicare605
United States16124 Posts
I'd put SeleCT's TvP over Thorzain, but Thorzain has the best overall mechanics with Terran that I've seen from a foreigner. | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On September 18 2011 09:10 Perseverance wrote: Man Poor Idra. What has happened to him? He's not flexible at all. While the game has evolved significantly, IdrA really hasn't. His strength is still his strength (his macro), and it isn't over-the-top awesome to make up for his weaknesses, which he really hasn't improved on much at all. He has stayed pretty stagnant in a field where everyone else has improved drastically. | ||
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Angelbelow
United States3728 Posts
On September 18 2011 09:10 Perseverance wrote: Man Poor Idra. What has happened to him? He spent his time in the US poorly. He admitted to practicing 3 hours or less (on the NA server no less) while other top foreigners like Huk, Nani, Thorzain and others trained their butt off to catch up. IdrA is my favorite player but he deserves his placements right now. He slacked and now hes paying for it. Even a prime IdrA would have had trouble with this tourney though, thats how stacked it was. Hopefully his improved training and his eventual return to Korea will see him return to his a standard hes used to. But thats only if hes motivated enough to get back to the top. | ||
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ArchDC
Malaysia1996 Posts
I really loved watching Hero v Idra G2, that was masterful harass w warp prisms, army positioning, etc. | ||
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
On September 18 2011 09:36 ArchDC wrote: DRG has really good ZvT, ever since his beating sC @ LG Finals. But MVP, Bomber and SlayerS Ts (MMA, Ganzi, etc.) know how to counter his muta build. His vZ and vP is not as good as his vT so hopefully he works on that too. I don't know if you can say that just based off 1 bo3 b/w mvp and bomber. (However, MVP probably has best tvz in world.) Would need a larger sample size. As for MMA, drg currently leads the series in that by 1 game. 1-1 gstl, 1-2 mlg, 2-0 ipl qualifiers. | ||
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Otori
Sweden164 Posts
His main weakness seemed to be that early-almost midgame drop to the main where thorzain unloaded crapload of units and killed SO much with it, two times. | ||
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Perseverance
Japan2800 Posts
On September 18 2011 10:33 Otori wrote: DRG's ZvT is extremely, extremely sick. It's borderline godly, so incredibly hard to stop or counter his play style as terran, he has perfect creepspread, perfect exp-timings, perfect muta micro, even the games he lost and said GG he didnt even lose his mutas , he still had them on the field pretty much. His main weakness seemed to be that early-almost midgame drop to the main where thorzain unloaded crapload of units and killed SO much with it, two times. Yea it's crazy how good his ZvT is, but Thorzain is just a monster at all matchups lol. I really want to see how Thorzain stands up to other top level koreans now that he's been practicing a lot. | ||
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Jnai
United States442 Posts
I realize it was very hard to do, but I don't think it's harder than what top Terrans do with their Medivac harass. So, I hope we see the metagame move Protoss play in this direction. | ||
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
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esaul17
Canada547 Posts
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Krehlmar
Sweden1149 Posts
Godamn that whitehaired girl is awesome ! Also didn't lag for shit during the entire tournament, best 0.15 cents I ever spent. Other than that, idra did shit but meh thorzain didn't play that good but neither did anyone else so... still fun to watch but wasn't alot of nail biting moments | ||
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redloser
Korea (South)1750 Posts
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Looms
United States4624 Posts
On September 18 2011 11:51 redloser wrote: does anyone know about the vods? On September 18 2011 06:58 dreamhackTV wrote: Hey guys, VODs slowly popping up on http://www.twitch.tv/dreamhacktv/videos Thanks for watching and sorry for all the lag issues some of you have had out there. We are working hard with Twitch to completely iron them out by the time Dreamhack Winter is here. Promise! probably a good place to start | ||
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Duravi
United States1205 Posts
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Duravi
United States1205 Posts
On September 18 2011 11:56 Looms wrote: probably a good place to start This should be updated on the first post of the thread. | ||
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Gamma4
Australia75 Posts
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mprs
Canada2933 Posts
On September 18 2011 09:32 Angelbelow wrote: He spent his time in the US poorly. He admitted to practicing 3 hours or less (on the NA server no less) while other top foreigners like Huk, Nani, Thorzain and others trained their butt off to catch up. IdrA is my favorite player but he deserves his placements right now. He slacked and now hes paying for it. Even a prime IdrA would have had trouble with this tourney though, thats how stacked it was. Hopefully his improved training and his eventual return to Korea will see him return to his a standard hes used to. But thats only if hes motivated enough to get back to the top. While this is true, there is also the other factor we obviously can't ignore. The fact that the majority of his ZvP practice is against Axslav and Incontrol certainly doesn't come close to being useful against someone like HerO. I would even argue that he has done "Okay" for someone being in the US. Obviously though, leaving the Korean server can't be good for your skill level. I think even if he practices for 12 hours a day in the US, he wouldn't be much better than he is now. He would still lose to the same people, because those people are practicing for 10-12 hours a day on the Korean server, in Korean team houses, and against top Korean pros. | ||
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Duravi
United States1205 Posts
On September 18 2011 12:09 mprs wrote: While this is true, there is also the other factor we obviously can't ignore. The fact that the majority of his ZvP practice is against Axslav and Incontrol certainly doesn't come close to being useful against someone like HerO. I would even argue that he has done "Okay" for someone being in the US. Obviously though, leaving the Korean server can't be good for your skill level. I think even if he practices for 12 hours a day in the US, he wouldn't be much better than he is now. He would still lose to the same people, because those people are practicing for 10-12 hours a day on the Korean server, in Korean team houses, and against top Korean pros. I don't blame Idra for this, I blame EG. They were the ones who were ok with him playing 3 hours a day on NA server and ok with him having practice partners like Incontrol and Axslav. Hopefully their recent moves in getting Puma, Huk, and sending Idra back to Korea are a realization of their errors. | ||
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Perseverance
Japan2800 Posts
On September 18 2011 12:19 Duravi wrote: I don't blame Idra for this, I blame EG. They were the ones who were ok with him playing 3 hours a day on NA server and ok with him having practice partners like Incontrol and Axslav. Hopefully their recent moves in getting Puma, Huk, and sending Idra back to Korea are a realization of their errors. I hope so, I've always been a fan of Idra but lately he's been doing really poor lately  | ||
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blooblooblahblah
Australia4163 Posts
On September 18 2011 12:09 mprs wrote: While this is true, there is also the other factor we obviously can't ignore. The fact that the majority of his ZvP practice is against Axslav and Incontrol certainly doesn't come close to being useful against someone like HerO. I would even argue that he has done "Okay" for someone being in the US. Obviously though, leaving the Korean server can't be good for your skill level. I think even if he practices for 12 hours a day in the US, he wouldn't be much better than he is now. He would still lose to the same people, because those people are practicing for 10-12 hours a day on the Korean server, in Korean team houses, and against top Korean pros. Well it's hard to practice against Hero's PvZ as none of the NA protoss players are mechanical players, they're more strategical. Hero's amazing multi-task style isn't really prominent in the foreign scene and even in the Korean scene,so it was always going to be a tough match for Idra. | ||
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