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On September 18 2011 01:54 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Oh stop whining you lot. Bunch of sissies on this forum. The only drama is coming from you guys. Enjoy the tournament and stop acting like this is TMZ XD
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
September 18 2011 07:29 GMT
#10121
The last sentence doesnt even make sense? Of course he would have lost if the zerg won.
Hero was so far behind and managed to come back with amazing multitask and warpprism harass.

amazing performance by both Hero and Thorzain, DRG is a boss like expected.
KiNGxXx
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
7928 Posts
September 18 2011 07:55 GMT
#10122
Any recommended games? Can't watch all the Vods.
MKP|Maru|TaeJa|Mvp|Polt|INnoVation|GuMiho|Bomber|GoOdy|TeamTerran
ragnorr
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark6097 Posts
September 18 2011 07:57 GMT
#10123
On September 18 2011 16:55 KiNGxXx wrote:
Any recommended games? Can't watch all the Vods.

Finals was pretty good, Hero vs Idra game 2. Most others were pretty one sided
Engdrew
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States890 Posts
September 18 2011 08:08 GMT
#10124
Where will VODs be posted? I checked the dreamhack page and didn't find much.
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jjhchsc2
Profile Joined December 2010
Korea (South)2393 Posts
September 18 2011 08:17 GMT
#10125
YEA DRG!
Lee Ssang/ Lee Shin/ Kim Jung Woo/ Kim Min Chul/Jun Tae Yang/Park Soo Ho/Lee Jung Hoon/Choi Sung Hoon/ Moon Sung Won/Park Ji Soo/ Lee Ho Joon/ Jang Min Chul/ Kim Seung Chul/SaSe/IdrA/Ret Fighting! BW4Life
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
September 18 2011 08:29 GMT
#10126
On September 18 2011 17:08 thunddr wrote:
Where will VODs be posted? I checked the dreamhack page and didn't find much.


http://www.twitch.tv/dreamhacktv/b/295296872
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
L3g3nd_
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand10461 Posts
September 18 2011 08:37 GMT
#10127
On September 18 2011 04:17 hYdrA-MeNo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2011 04:16 ceaRshaf wrote:
On September 18 2011 04:15 hYdrA-MeNo wrote:
lol at everyone who taught thorzain had a chance -.-


The game so far doesn't do justice to players skill. He did hold it after all.


Still lol to the people who think thorzain has a shot at beating drg.... :D drg will crush his soul...

i feel this statement is unwarranted, especially given that thorzain took 2 games off him
https://twitter.com/#!/IrisAnother
Benjerry
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden9 Posts
September 18 2011 09:30 GMT
#10128
Some Barcraft Valencia pics from three bars in Stockholm (I was at O´Learys, counted about 130 people watching Starcraft, good times!

http://www.fragbite.se/?imgID=32976
Tofugrinder
Profile Joined September 2010
Austria899 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-18 09:42:49
September 18 2011 09:41 GMT
#10129
like the last DH invitational it was a great event yesterday. I only watched from the semi finals, but the games were awesome, the production top and I really enjoyed the schedule (game, immediate interview and after a short break the next game).

In my opinion (from the semis point of view) the best 2 players came to the finals and made a great finals. DRG was a little bit better so he deserves the win. I feel just a bit sad for Thorzain because he doesn't get anything for his second place (but on the other hand, for an 8 player inv. it might not be necessary).

looking forward to the next dreamhack!

edit: this is the first time I really saw dApollo and TotalBiscuit together and I must say I really enjoyed it! I haven't been a TB fan last year (I think it was DH winter, but I'm not sure) but yesterday both did a great job!
L3g3nd_
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand10461 Posts
September 18 2011 10:05 GMT
#10130
fell asleep during game 5 of the final.

i saw EVERY game except the end of the final game =/
https://twitter.com/#!/IrisAnother
BreakeR.
Profile Joined October 2010
Austria220 Posts
September 18 2011 10:07 GMT
#10131
Gz to DRG but ThorZain is still the best player!!!!!!!!! :D
The hardest part about being smart is accepting that others are stupid. -Tasteless
Blasphemi
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom980 Posts
September 18 2011 10:42 GMT
#10132
On September 18 2011 17:37 L3g3nd_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2011 04:17 hYdrA-MeNo wrote:
On September 18 2011 04:16 ceaRshaf wrote:
On September 18 2011 04:15 hYdrA-MeNo wrote:
lol at everyone who taught thorzain had a chance -.-


The game so far doesn't do justice to players skill. He did hold it after all.


Still lol to the people who think thorzain has a shot at beating drg.... :D drg will crush his soul...

i feel this statement is unwarranted, especially given that thorzain took 2 games off him


I wasn't particularly impressed with Thorzain's TvZ, he was still far too slow and passive and his defence against Mutalisk harass was poor.

The games he won were imbalanced spawns on Antiga (which GSL eliminates such is their imbalance), and the Taldarim game which was again favourable spawns and he essentially won the game with a doom drop at the start before proceeding to almost lose because he was so slow to close out the game.

The series reminded me of Nestea vs sC in that it was pretty obvious who the better player was all series and the scoreline suggested a closer series than it really was.

hugman
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden4644 Posts
September 18 2011 10:56 GMT
#10133
On September 18 2011 19:42 Blasphemi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2011 17:37 L3g3nd_ wrote:
On September 18 2011 04:17 hYdrA-MeNo wrote:
On September 18 2011 04:16 ceaRshaf wrote:
On September 18 2011 04:15 hYdrA-MeNo wrote:
lol at everyone who taught thorzain had a chance -.-


The game so far doesn't do justice to players skill. He did hold it after all.


Still lol to the people who think thorzain has a shot at beating drg.... :D drg will crush his soul...

i feel this statement is unwarranted, especially given that thorzain took 2 games off him


I wasn't particularly impressed with Thorzain's TvZ, he was still far too slow and passive and his defence against Mutalisk harass was poor.

The games he won were imbalanced spawns on Antiga (which GSL eliminates such is their imbalance), and the Taldarim game which was again favourable spawns and he essentially won the game with a doom drop at the start before proceeding to almost lose because he was so slow to close out the game.

The series reminded me of Nestea vs sC in that it was pretty obvious who the better player was all series and the scoreline suggested a closer series than it really was.



GSL removed those spawns because of how you can siege from the 3rd, ThorZaIN never did that
Blasphemi
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom980 Posts
September 18 2011 11:00 GMT
#10134
On September 18 2011 19:56 hugman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2011 19:42 Blasphemi wrote:
On September 18 2011 17:37 L3g3nd_ wrote:
On September 18 2011 04:17 hYdrA-MeNo wrote:
On September 18 2011 04:16 ceaRshaf wrote:
On September 18 2011 04:15 hYdrA-MeNo wrote:
lol at everyone who taught thorzain had a chance -.-


The game so far doesn't do justice to players skill. He did hold it after all.


Still lol to the people who think thorzain has a shot at beating drg.... :D drg will crush his soul...

i feel this statement is unwarranted, especially given that thorzain took 2 games off him


I wasn't particularly impressed with Thorzain's TvZ, he was still far too slow and passive and his defence against Mutalisk harass was poor.

The games he won were imbalanced spawns on Antiga (which GSL eliminates such is their imbalance), and the Taldarim game which was again favourable spawns and he essentially won the game with a doom drop at the start before proceeding to almost lose because he was so slow to close out the game.

The series reminded me of Nestea vs sC in that it was pretty obvious who the better player was all series and the scoreline suggested a closer series than it really was.



GSL removed those spawns because of how you can siege from the 3rd, ThorZaIN never did that


No, they fixed that anyway. They removed it because the offensive gold is too easy to take and too overpowered for Terran.
gillon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden1578 Posts
September 18 2011 11:03 GMT
#10135
Wow, Thorzain did way better than I thought he would. Big props!
www.teamproperty.net | "You should hate losing, but you should never fear defeat." - 이윤열
Darneck
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden1394 Posts
September 18 2011 11:21 GMT
#10136
On September 18 2011 19:42 Blasphemi wrote:
I wasn't particularly impressed with Thorzain's TvZ, he was still far too slow and passive and his defence against Mutalisk harass was poor.

That's what makes his TvZ so awesome, he plays it extremely macro based, acting as if he is the zerg and pulls it off.
Euronyme
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden3804 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-18 11:39:04
September 18 2011 11:28 GMT
#10137
Does anyone have the ability to look up the 'korean netizen reactions'?
It was a really good event imo. Perfect with foreigner in the finals and everything. I love the korea vs foreigner drama
I bet i can maı̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̨̨̨̨̨̨ke you wipe your screen.
Blasphemi
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom980 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-18 11:38:43
September 18 2011 11:37 GMT
#10138
On September 18 2011 20:21 Darneck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2011 19:42 Blasphemi wrote:
I wasn't particularly impressed with Thorzain's TvZ, he was still far too slow and passive and his defence against Mutalisk harass was poor.

That's what makes his TvZ so awesome, he plays it extremely macro based, acting as if he is the zerg and pulls it off.


He doesn't pull it off though. That's why TvZ is his worst match up. It works okay but players like Bomber, MMA and MVP macro better than the Zerg as well (especially Bomber and MVP) but they also play a lot more aggressive and cover their Tanks better with the Marines.
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9421 Posts
September 18 2011 11:51 GMT
#10139
On September 18 2011 09:18 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2011 08:50 arterian wrote:
On September 18 2011 08:20 Slunk wrote:
Just watched the VODs and hooooly shit. I am so happy for DongRaeGu and also I am sooo impressed by Thorzain. He is the best foreigner by far and propably the only one in the top 50 players overall. So awesome, too bad he does not like Korea.


Best TvP by far maybe



I'd put SeleCT's TvP over Thorzain, but Thorzain has the best overall mechanics with Terran that I've seen from a foreigner.


Your joking right? Thorzain does not have good mechanics. His macro is fine, but is marine/tank control is so bad, which is kinda why he slow pushes, because he doesn't have the apm to do a qiucker attack (every game he tried to do a tank marine push he failed cus he made so many wrong things, like not having spotters, and bad marine splitting).

Major has much better mechanics than Thorzain.
BronzeHero
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden105 Posts
September 18 2011 12:08 GMT
#10140
On September 18 2011 20:37 Blasphemi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2011 20:21 Darneck wrote:
On September 18 2011 19:42 Blasphemi wrote:
I wasn't particularly impressed with Thorzain's TvZ, he was still far too slow and passive and his defence against Mutalisk harass was poor.

That's what makes his TvZ so awesome, he plays it extremely macro based, acting as if he is the zerg and pulls it off.


He doesn't pull it off though. That's why TvZ is his worst match up. It works okay but players like Bomber, MMA and MVP macro better than the Zerg as well (especially Bomber and MVP) but they also play a lot more aggressive and cover their Tanks better with the Marines.
You are comparing Thorzain to freakin MVP and Bomber, obviusly he´s not as good as them, but he is pretty damn good and he played really good versus one of the best Korean ZvT-players.
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