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On September 18 2011 01:54 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Oh stop whining you lot. Bunch of sissies on this forum. The only drama is coming from you guys. Enjoy the tournament and stop acting like this is TMZ XD
trucane
Profile Joined January 2009
United States553 Posts
September 17 2011 21:20 GMT
#9981
On September 18 2011 06:16 forsooth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2011 06:08 Eishi_Ki wrote:
On September 18 2011 06:06 TaKemE wrote:
On September 18 2011 06:04 Spitmode wrote:
On September 18 2011 06:03 Noocta wrote:
And that's why Dreamhack is the best tournament, period. Great matches, great production, and it's Free !


so true. best production BY FAR! mlg, please watch this and learn.


What does MLG need to learn? they for sure had a better stream.


How to host an event, quick game turnover, how to do a concise ceremony that isn't awkward, how to do adverts. There are many others I'm sure

You are of course aware that MLG is much much larger in size, hosts two streams at the same time, and has brought us some of the most memorable moments thus far in SC2, are you not? MLG does an amazing job, I don't see why every time a Dreamhack thread comes around people start calling it out...


Maybe because people get mad when MLG is even mentioned in the same sentence as Dreamhack ( Crap now I did it). Dreamhack has a long and honorable history among gamers and has hosted many many tournaments in realy competetive Esport games all the way from Quake 1, Starcraft, CS 1.6 to recent games like Starcraft 2, Call of duty 4 and other popular games.

MLG is mostly known for jumping on the console bandwagon, aiming for fratboys in the states jumping up and down in excitment over the last Halo game. If you can't see the difference and why people get upset then you should study some Esport history.
Coal
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden1535 Posts
September 17 2011 21:20 GMT
#9982
Any 1 made a gif out of Thorzain's player intro btw?
In order to succeed, your desire for success should be greater than your fear of failure.
Shinobi1982
Profile Joined January 2011
1605 Posts
September 17 2011 21:20 GMT
#9983
On September 18 2011 06:20 ellirc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2011 06:18 Shinobi1982 wrote:
I kinda missed the sofa interviews from DH Stockholm Invitational
[image loading]
It looks so much better than standing interviews.

I think the stage was a bit too small for that unfortunately.

True
Train like an animal, eat like a horse, sleep like a baby, grow like a weed.
KimJongChill
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6429 Posts
September 17 2011 21:20 GMT
#9984
On September 18 2011 06:20 ellirc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2011 06:18 Shinobi1982 wrote:
I kinda missed the sofa interviews from DH Stockholm Invitational
[image loading]
It looks so much better than standing interviews.

I think the stage was a bit too small for that unfortunately.


But it looks much more comfortable, and the conversation seems less rushed.
MMA: U realise MMA: Most of my army EgIdra: fuck off MMA: Killed my orbital MMA: LOL MMA: just saying MMA: u werent loss
Euronyme
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden3804 Posts
September 17 2011 21:20 GMT
#9985
On September 18 2011 06:06 TaKemE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2011 06:04 Spitmode wrote:
On September 18 2011 06:03 Noocta wrote:
And that's why Dreamhack is the best tournament, period. Great matches, great production, and it's Free !


so true. best production BY FAR! mlg, please watch this and learn.


What does MLG need to learn? they for sure had a better stream.


I just linked the reason to why the stream was bad. Here, I'll do it again.
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/kivv9/dreamhack_valencia_lag_issues/

Stream problems was because of justin.tv, not because of dreamhack in the slightest.
MLG's problems were because they didn't use a landline, and decided to broadcast by satelite truck -.-

Also there are some other differences. The HD stream is free. The only reason that it was ever free was because MLG fucked up the broadcasts, so the comparison between streams should be between 1080p for DH and 240p for MLG, unless you pay for a ticket to even up the scores.
There are way way way less commercials (If anyone mentions doctor pepper or old spice....) and they have enough self confidence to let in a guy like 2gd, who might take a jab at the organizers.
I bet i can maı̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̨̨̨̨̨̨ke you wipe your screen.
BlazingSonic
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany51 Posts
September 17 2011 21:21 GMT
#9986
On September 18 2011 06:18 Spitmode wrote:
would of been nice to watch this in a barcraft


yeah, sadly there aren´t any in my region
We should also organize some Barcrafts in Germany!

Anyways, really nice and exciting tournament! Congratz Dreamhack!
Tanith
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom108 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-17 21:23:50
September 17 2011 21:21 GMT
#9987
On September 18 2011 06:16 forsooth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2011 06:08 Eishi_Ki wrote:
On September 18 2011 06:06 TaKemE wrote:
On September 18 2011 06:04 Spitmode wrote:
On September 18 2011 06:03 Noocta wrote:
And that's why Dreamhack is the best tournament, period. Great matches, great production, and it's Free !


so true. best production BY FAR! mlg, please watch this and learn.


What does MLG need to learn? they for sure had a better stream.


How to host an event, quick game turnover, how to do a concise ceremony that isn't awkward, how to do adverts. There are many others I'm sure

You are of course aware that MLG is much much larger in size, hosts two streams at the same time, and has brought us some of the most memorable moments thus far in SC2, are you not? MLG does an amazing job, I don't see why every time a Dreamhack thread comes around people start calling it out...


Dreamhacks production is just better and something that MLG should strive for, the way DH handles breaks with music playing not 1 tune on a loop, the ads done better, they keep you informed with the local time and clock for games, they shown the bracket and not just random shots of the crowd.

These are all things MLG can do, yes its a much bigger tourn but that has NOTHING to do with providing a good viewing experience for stream watchers.

Add in to that free HD from DH and the shitty free stream from MLG.

BTW, I love watching MLG and enjoy the tourns they put on but to say like some in here that they are on par with DH is just daft.
hugman
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden4644 Posts
September 17 2011 21:21 GMT
#9988
On September 18 2011 06:20 trucane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2011 06:16 forsooth wrote:
On September 18 2011 06:08 Eishi_Ki wrote:
On September 18 2011 06:06 TaKemE wrote:
On September 18 2011 06:04 Spitmode wrote:
On September 18 2011 06:03 Noocta wrote:
And that's why Dreamhack is the best tournament, period. Great matches, great production, and it's Free !


so true. best production BY FAR! mlg, please watch this and learn.


What does MLG need to learn? they for sure had a better stream.


How to host an event, quick game turnover, how to do a concise ceremony that isn't awkward, how to do adverts. There are many others I'm sure

You are of course aware that MLG is much much larger in size, hosts two streams at the same time, and has brought us some of the most memorable moments thus far in SC2, are you not? MLG does an amazing job, I don't see why every time a Dreamhack thread comes around people start calling it out...


Maybe because people get mad when MLG is even mentioned in the same sentence as Dreamhack ( Crap now I did it). Dreamhack has a long and honorable history among gamers and has hosted many many tournaments in realy competetive Esport games all the way from Quake 1, Starcraft, CS 1.6 to recent games like Starcraft 2, Call of duty 4 and other popular games.

MLG is mostly known for jumping on the console bandwagon, aiming for fratboys in the states jumping up and down in excitment over the last Halo game. If you can't see the difference and why people get upset then you should study some Esport history.


Oh god no! Console games!
MLG has done a lot for SC2, no need to bash them.
We're talking about their events now, the history doesn't matter.
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42416 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-17 21:24:05
September 17 2011 21:22 GMT
#9989
On September 18 2011 06:16 W2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2011 06:11 Grettin wrote:
On September 18 2011 06:10 Pipeline wrote:
On September 18 2011 06:03 mrtomjones wrote:
what a stupid idea to not split prize money. That just screws the other players over. They deserve a financial boost for performing in a tournament.


Please take time and get your facts straight before you comment.

All players were flown to Valencia for free.
All players got to stay at a 5 star hotel.
All players had their own computers available during the entire event.
Top 2 gets wildcards to DH winter.
Winner got 15000 USD.


Pretty much free "vacation" with a chance to win some money at the same time.


To people who take their starcraft seriously (like most of these guys), they are going to be in constant preparation/nervousness/stress before their match. I don't think it is much of a vacation to be honest.


Chilling for a couple of days won't hurt you, and i'm pretty sure that most of these players who will stay in Spain for day or two, will just chill out the rest of the time.

But you are right though. But still no need to complain why only winner takes it all. Players are taken care of really well by Dreamhack.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
tripfiend
Profile Joined January 2011
India45 Posts
September 17 2011 21:22 GMT
#9990

can someone tell me where the post tournie analysis stream is?
Cattle Decapitation
Eishi_Ki
Profile Joined April 2009
Korea (South)1667 Posts
September 17 2011 21:23 GMT
#9991
On September 18 2011 06:16 forsooth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2011 06:08 Eishi_Ki wrote:
On September 18 2011 06:06 TaKemE wrote:
On September 18 2011 06:04 Spitmode wrote:
On September 18 2011 06:03 Noocta wrote:
And that's why Dreamhack is the best tournament, period. Great matches, great production, and it's Free !


so true. best production BY FAR! mlg, please watch this and learn.


What does MLG need to learn? they for sure had a better stream.


How to host an event, quick game turnover, how to do a concise ceremony that isn't awkward, how to do adverts. There are many others I'm sure

You are of course aware that MLG is much much larger in size, hosts two streams at the same time, and has brought us some of the most memorable moments thus far in SC2, are you not? MLG does an amazing job, I don't see why every time a Dreamhack thread comes around people start calling it out...


Of course. The games however are not of MLG's making. The players play, so that's attributed to them . Regarding the two streams, how often are games being played? How often are games being played at the same time? How often do you sit at your monitor watching said streams with no idea when the next match will be shown despite the fact that there are constant matches going on. By game turnover, I meant on stream.

The scale of it has nothing to do with any of the things I mentioned unless I'm mistaken. MLG does do a fantastic job, I'm not shitting on them or saying "this is fucking terrible". I'm saying DH did it better. Like MLG does casters better (sorry to upset anyone else's opinion). MLG does the whole 'epic tournament vibe' thing better. No one's arguing that.

Dreamhack is not better than MLG. MLG is not better than Dreamhack. I enjoyed Dreamhack AS A SPECTATOR more. (Plus, it's free HD stream)
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
September 17 2011 21:23 GMT
#9992
A small invitational like DH Valencia isn't really the apt comparison to MLG, which are almost always big and grand. I like MLG for the reason that we get to see more games from more players. I mean, Naniwa's run this invitational was like, what, two games? Same with IdrA. With big names like these you want them to have more chances to show what they're capable of, and MLG kind of does that (though it does go overboard with how hard it is to fall out of the championship bracket).
Fluffeh
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden66 Posts
September 17 2011 21:23 GMT
#9993
On September 18 2011 01:54 eqez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2011 01:51 thirnaz wrote:
People that whine about how 2GD is as a person with the jokes and everything, dreamhack knew what they were paying for they've had him a lot of times before and imo he is much "nicer" now than what he was when he worked for ESL haha




Always telling Zalmah hes homosexual :D





Omg I lold WAY too hard at this ...
nth<3 Flash<3
Moxi
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
708 Posts
September 17 2011 21:23 GMT
#9994
Thanks to everyone who made this event possible. It was very fun to watch.
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
September 17 2011 21:23 GMT
#9995
On September 18 2011 06:12 Slasher wrote:
[image loading]

U mad?

Live on Three Wednesday for more fun!

User was warned for this post


Be honest now, how nervous were you when they got to 2-2? :D
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
ellirc
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3286 Posts
September 17 2011 21:24 GMT
#9996
On September 18 2011 06:22 tripfiend wrote:

can someone tell me where the post tournie analysis stream is?

It's over...
LoveIsSimple
Profile Joined August 2011
United States14 Posts
September 17 2011 21:24 GMT
#9997
Guys please stop with all the hate. Just enjoy what you like and stfu. DH and MLG are both awesome and we should be glad to have them.
whiteLotus
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
1833 Posts
September 17 2011 21:24 GMT
#9998
On September 18 2011 06:23 Fluffeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2011 01:54 eqez wrote:
On September 18 2011 01:51 thirnaz wrote:
People that whine about how 2GD is as a person with the jokes and everything, dreamhack knew what they were paying for they've had him a lot of times before and imo he is much "nicer" now than what he was when he worked for ESL haha


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rjH-ZrAyqU

Always telling Zalmah hes homosexual :D





Omg I lold WAY too hard at this ...


watch this
and lol even more
The bird of Hermes is my name, eating my wings to make me tame
Steelavocado
Profile Joined May 2010
United States2123 Posts
September 17 2011 21:25 GMT
#9999
On September 18 2011 06:20 ellirc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2011 06:18 Shinobi1982 wrote:
I kinda missed the sofa interviews from DH Stockholm Invitational
[image loading]
It looks so much better than standing interviews.

I think the stage was a bit too small for that unfortunately.

Congratz to DRG, that was a great finals.

Also, is it me or does that interviewer look like the guy from white collar?!

G'day all!
MIRACLE IS YOUR TI7 CHAMP
Cocacooh
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway1510 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-17 21:31:53
September 17 2011 21:25 GMT
#10000
Great finals, great tourny and something off topic jea

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