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On September 18 2011 01:54 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Oh stop whining you lot. Bunch of sissies on this forum. The only drama is coming from you guys. Enjoy the tournament and stop acting like this is TMZ XD
gentile
Profile Joined August 2007
Switzerland594 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-17 20:13:10
September 17 2011 20:12 GMT
#8421
fact remains that this map is too big to stop zerg taking expos like this. regardless great macro by drg, some bad control by thorzain..
tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
September 17 2011 20:12 GMT
#8422
On September 18 2011 05:10 Zorgaz wrote:
Ultras are bad lol!?

I don't think so

Zergs need to stop qq and start using em


They're OK if your opponent doesn't scout them and makes vikings instead.
beamingrobot
Profile Joined October 2010
United States685 Posts
September 17 2011 20:12 GMT
#8423
On September 18 2011 05:11 Crowned wrote:
Thorzain not able to capitalize on the early game lead (almost failed to do so in game 2 as well.) If DRG just plays standard this won't even be close.


That wasn't a huge lead, he only killed 10 drones and lost his whole harassing force, couldn't use his banshees to do a follow-up and allowed his stuff to be sniped.

And DRG was already on 3 bases by then.

Nate.F
Profile Joined April 2011
918 Posts
September 17 2011 20:12 GMT
#8424
On September 18 2011 05:12 Teael wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2011 05:10 Nate.F wrote:
On September 18 2011 05:09 akaname wrote:
protoss player here... what is the perfect terran counter to ultras?

Ghosts. Seen MVP vs July?



Byun vs Zenio also comes to mind (even though byun lost the game, he showed some really cool ghost play)

Yeah, but the game I referenced is just the most immaculate TvZ I have ever seen. Perfect, I daresay.
Crowned
Profile Joined August 2011
United States368 Posts
September 17 2011 20:12 GMT
#8425
On September 18 2011 05:11 Jnai wrote:
They should stop running tournaments and just have Artosis distribute money to whoever he thinks deserves it. The guy is just never wrong.


truth
It's cool to love to win, but it's better to hate to lose.
Baituri
Profile Joined June 2010
Netherlands1501 Posts
September 17 2011 20:12 GMT
#8426
DRG is killing Thorzain with his muta's. Thorzain is normally really spread out and people don't know what to do against it, since he is everywhere at once with that style. But DRG has such good muta control that he picks him apart.
marttorn
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Norway5211 Posts
September 17 2011 20:13 GMT
#8427
On September 18 2011 05:12 ex000r wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2011 05:11 Jnai wrote:
They should stop running tournaments and just have Artosis distribute money to whoever he thinks deserves it. The guy is just never wrong.



haha, so true :D


Clide gonna be swimming in dollahs soon enough
memes are a dish best served dank
butchji
Profile Joined September 2009
Germany1531 Posts
September 17 2011 20:13 GMT
#8428
On September 18 2011 05:10 PeggyHill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2011 05:09 akaname wrote:
protoss player here... what is the perfect terran counter to ultras?


Same unit as the perfect counter to protoss units, ghosts.


Ghosts is no counter to ultralisks. It's just a possiblity... Immortal is a counter to a siege tank for example.
shakenbake
Profile Joined August 2010
United States207 Posts
September 17 2011 20:13 GMT
#8429
ultras hard counter marine tank tzain needeed marauders or ghosts.
Doko
Profile Joined May 2010
Argentina1737 Posts
September 17 2011 20:13 GMT
#8430
Thorzain needs to reorder his factory production in the midgame. He's over producing tanks when he's not even close to pushing out and letting himself be picked apart by mutas when marine control is not his strongest asset.
Just add 3 thors until you are ready to push or keep your tanks stacked if there's 0 banelings on the map.

akaname
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom599 Posts
September 17 2011 20:13 GMT
#8431
On September 18 2011 05:10 Zzoram wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2011 05:09 akaname wrote:
protoss player here... what is the perfect terran counter to ultras?


Tons of stim marauders

thanks for your answer, and to all others who answered ♥♥
There can be only none
clusen
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany8702 Posts
September 17 2011 20:13 GMT
#8432
On September 18 2011 05:11 Jnai wrote:
They should stop running tournaments and just have Artosis distribute money to whoever he thinks deserves it. The guy is just never wrong.

Clide would be a millionaire then
BryanSC
Profile Joined October 2010
United States455 Posts
September 17 2011 20:13 GMT
#8433
On September 18 2011 05:11 Asha` wrote:
Thorzain wasn't blindly making Vikings, pretty sure he scanned the greater spire morph. He just missed that the Cavern was earlier. As soon as DRG saw vikings he kept producing Ultras after that first big batch.


Yes he was. You can scout Zerg's army with scans at least and see if Zerg produces corruptors. It's not like this is the first time he makes blind Vikings. I will say though that this didn't cost him the game, it was the mismanagement of his Banshees and Hellions in the initial drop which could have done way more damage.
hugman
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden4644 Posts
September 17 2011 20:13 GMT
#8434
On September 18 2011 05:10 Spitmode wrote:
fuck man i can't believe how DRG still won this after that blue flame hellion elevator.. damn!


It did less damage than it seemed
He invested in blue flame + banshee + cloak
Killed 10 drones. Yes lots of queens and lings but who cares?
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-17 20:14:01
September 17 2011 20:13 GMT
#8435
On September 18 2011 05:12 setzer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2011 05:10 Wunder wrote:
Ridiculous for people criticizing Thorzain for making vikings.


Why? There is no excuse not scanning the zerg base when you know he has hive tech when you have three OCs.


I betcha he re-scanned the spire as soon as he saw the Hive tech and saw it was being morphed/had been morphed. You might not have noticed but DRG built both greater spire and an ultra cavern...
Mainland
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada551 Posts
September 17 2011 20:13 GMT
#8436
On September 18 2011 05:12 Xivsa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2011 05:11 Enceladus wrote:
On September 18 2011 05:09 akaname wrote:
protoss player here... what is the perfect terran counter to ultras?

Battlecruisers...


Naw, too expensive. Banshees are the best pure counter, what with cloak and everything.


Stim marauders and ghosts will make ultras done like dinner.
iamke55
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
United States2806 Posts
September 17 2011 20:13 GMT
#8437
On September 18 2011 05:12 ex000r wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2011 05:11 Jnai wrote:
They should stop running tournaments and just have Artosis distribute money to whoever he thinks deserves it. The guy is just never wrong.



haha, so true :D

Hello my name is TSLClide and I agree 100%.
During practice session, I discovered very good build against zerg. -Bisu[Shield]
Enceladus
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden225 Posts
September 17 2011 20:13 GMT
#8438
On September 18 2011 05:12 Xivsa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2011 05:11 Enceladus wrote:
On September 18 2011 05:09 akaname wrote:
protoss player here... what is the perfect terran counter to ultras?

Battlecruisers...


Naw, too expensive. Banshees are the best pure counter, what with cloak and everything.

It was only half-serious, but unit to unit Battlecruisers would probably be the best. But it's probably not viable in a real pro match.
JoeSchmoe
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2058 Posts
September 17 2011 20:13 GMT
#8439
ghosts don't counter ultras -.-

people need to stop referencing that mvp vs july game.
Demonaz
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1219 Posts
September 17 2011 20:13 GMT
#8440
Thorzain needs to to quicker pushes with large forces, this slow crawl with spread out smaller groups gets destroyed by awesome muta control
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