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The protoss president falls... who do we turn to now?
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On September 07 2011 21:16 Corrik wrote:
Do not take this the wrong way... but it seems certain Protoss really nose dived after the 4 gate was weakened.
Those who 4gated a lot less seem to be those doing the best now.
MC used to 4gate in pvz and pvt? thats news to me.
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On September 08 2011 03:49 Zzoram wrote:
It'll be hilarious when GSL Code S September 2011 has 16 Terrans in the Ro16.
Lol. I really wish I could by a ticket for just Code A.
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On September 08 2011 03:22 tranmillitary wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2011 03:07 babylon wrote:On September 08 2011 02:43 tranmillitary wrote:
There is no chance of any Protoss winning for the near future. Unless blizzard nerf's terran/zerg.. the game will be Terran Vs Zerg in Code S. Huk look liked a bronze newb Vs MVP. Huk is one of the best Protoss in the game and MVP was playing around with him. I use Terran and i'm sick of TvT's. You used the worst example possible. Huk lost because he played like shit, not because of imbalance. The only "imbalanced" thing that MVP did was go 1/1/1 in Game 2 because Huk said he knew the counter and MVP's Protoss practice partners wanted MVP to 1/1/1 Huk so they could see the damn nonexistent counter. (Lesson learned. Huk, keep your mouth shut next time before your Protoss brothers throw you to the dogs.) Complaining about Huk vs. MVP would be like me, a shit Zerg, whining about 11/11 when I get rolled by a GM Terran. It's not imbalanced; he's just tiers above me. MVP played tiers above Huk. That's why he lost. Anyways, Jjakji is awesome. Just watched his first game against Losira, and wow, this is why you don't let Terran turtle to max supply. Also, mass medivacs? What? Amazing play by Jjakji there. Worst example?? the first game where MVp went marines and tanks and pinned Huk.. ? So basically 2 of the 3 games Huk had no chance to win. is that what you're saying?? wow So huk has to hope no terran goes 1/1/1 or all in's to have a chance of even winning a game?? Everyone says Huk lost because he played like shit... WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU. A protoss has to play unbelievable to win have a chance to win 1 game. You're proving my point even more. Huk is the best Protoss in the world right now... and if he gets dominated like that what does that tell you?? It's imbalanced... If MVP or nestea played Protoss, they would get owned even with a year of training. I would never use Protoss even though it's my offrace.. in a ladder game. If it wasn't imbalance why hasn't a protoss won any big tournaments in a long time??? MLG/GSL/IEM... anything... there's a reason why... Protoss is by far the worst race to use.
You're digging yourself into a hole. No, a Protoss doesn't have to play unbelievably well to win. But he does have to not play like any regular ol' GM Protoss going up against a progamer. After all, it is possible to, y'know, play decently and still lose. But that's not what Huk did. Even Jinro showed up in the LR thread last time to say that Huk didn't play well at all.
Anyways, if you want to balance whine, use MC vs. Puma as an example and go off to the Designated Balance Discussion Thread in the other forum.
I'm glad Jjakji got through. His TvZ is reallllllllly good, as is his TvP, and I like his mass medivac style (lol). Macro is top-tier, and he's a joy to watch play. Also, he fills a gap in Code S that opened up when sC and MKP went down to Code A. Sadly, I don't think he'll do that well in Code S given his relatively weak TvT, but here's to seeing him improve his play in the future!
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Curious to see if the results change after the matches. It's not a freshpoll but what do the drop in lr readers say
Poll: If MC fails to make it out of the groupI just like voting and cows. I like Cows. (43) 47% so what another player failed to pass Up/Downs (16) 17% this season of the GTL is over for me. (16) 17% 1 step closer to a Clide/Leenock title (11) 12% the league is still diverse enough to provide entertaining matches. (6) 7% 92 total votes Your vote: If MC fails to make it out of the group (Vote): so what another player failed to pass Up/Downs
(Vote): this season of the GTL is over for me.
(Vote): the league is still diverse enough to provide entertaining matches.
(Vote): 1 step closer to a Clide/Leenock title
(Vote): I just like voting and cows. I like Cows.
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On September 08 2011 02:51 Toadvine wrote:
Results exactly as expected. Except for Check's good run, that is; totally expected MC to get owned by LosirA and Jjakji.
On a related note, I sometimes wonder how many Terrans we need to have in Code S to convince the majority that there's really some problem with the game. Personally, I think I'm only going to watch Code A next season. I want to support GoM with my viewership, and the upcoming Code A looks very promising, but Code S honestly feels like a total joke to me at this point. Also, there's a limit to how much TvT you can watch in a row, as fun as it can be sometimes.
If you looked at the results only you would think there might be a problem but if you actually sit and watch the games and keep up with it you aren't as surprised.
MC is playing bad, Alicia is playing bad, they've been slumping for a while and have now dropped to Code A while players like Jajjkji and Leenock who have been on the radar for a while now have moved up. How is this surprising to anyone if you actually watched the games?
If you watched the qualifiers and saw the massive influx of non-Terrans into Code A you'd notice that this current heavy Terran trend is temporary and merely a result of a Terran heavy Code A that we had for a couple seasons. It's all based on racial population to pull from.
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The games today were extremely high level, from what I remember best day of GSL not including the GSTL games!
I'm 4/4 on up and down matches so far, voted for MKP and Taeja to get through tomorrow but JYP has a chance too :D
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There is a high chance we see more and more Terran getting to the finals only playing TvTs. I'm pretty sure this is what GSL Terrans train the most nowadays xD
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On September 08 2011 04:15 aresendez88 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2011 02:51 Toadvine wrote:
Results exactly as expected. Except for Check's good run, that is; totally expected MC to get owned by LosirA and Jjakji.
On a related note, I sometimes wonder how many Terrans we need to have in Code S to convince the majority that there's really some problem with the game. Personally, I think I'm only going to watch Code A next season. I want to support GoM with my viewership, and the upcoming Code A looks very promising, but Code S honestly feels like a total joke to me at this point. Also, there's a limit to how much TvT you can watch in a row, as fun as it can be sometimes. If you looked at the results only you would think there might be a problem but if you actually sit and watch the games and keep up with it you aren't as surprised. MC is playing bad, Alicia is playing bad, they've been slumping for a while and have now dropped to Code A while players like Jajjkji and Leenock who have been on the radar for a while now have moved up. How is this surprising to anyone if you actually watched the games? If you watched the qualifiers and saw the massive influx of non-Terrans into Code A you'd notice that this current heavy Terran trend is temporary and merely a result of a Terran heavy Code A that we had for a couple seasons. It's all based on racial population to pull from.
I'm sure it's a coincidence that every protoss just plays bad in GSL. Yup. Just a total coincidence. MC, huk, hongun, alicia, puzzle. They should just learn to play so protoss can win a GSL. Noobs.
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On September 08 2011 03:55 QTIP. wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2011 03:49 Zzoram wrote:
It'll be hilarious when GSL Code S September 2011 has 16 Terrans in the Ro16. Lol. I really wish I could by a ticket for just Code A.
I doubt it's gonna be like that, but I'm fearing it won't be dramatically different either. I only see Losira and Nestea getting reasonably far among the Zergs. One or two protosses, Puzzle, HuK, Hongun and Genius all have a chance at RO16 with good play. So probably 10-12 Terrans, 2-3 zergs and 2-3 Protosses.
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On September 08 2011 03:29 QTIP. wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2011 03:22 tranmillitary wrote:On September 08 2011 03:07 babylon wrote:On September 08 2011 02:43 tranmillitary wrote:
There is no chance of any Protoss winning for the near future. Unless blizzard nerf's terran/zerg.. the game will be Terran Vs Zerg in Code S. Huk look liked a bronze newb Vs MVP. Huk is one of the best Protoss in the game and MVP was playing around with him. I use Terran and i'm sick of TvT's. You used the worst example possible. Huk lost because he played like shit, not because of imbalance. The only "imbalanced" thing that MVP did was go 1/1/1 in Game 2 because Huk said he knew the counter and MVP's Protoss practice partners wanted MVP to 1/1/1 Huk so they could see the damn nonexistent counter. (Lesson learned. Huk, keep your mouth shut next time before your Protoss brothers throw you to the dogs.) Complaining about Huk vs. MVP would be like me, a shit Zerg, whining about 11/11 when I get rolled by a GM Terran. It's not imbalanced; he's just tiers above me. MVP played tiers above Huk. That's why he lost. Anyways, Jjakji is awesome. Just watched his first game against Losira, and wow, this is why you don't let Terran turtle to max supply. Also, mass medivacs? What? Amazing play by Jjakji there. Worst example?? the first game where MVp went marines and tanks and pinned Huk.. ? So basically 2 of the 3 games Huk had no chance to win. is that what you're saying?? wow So huk has to hope no terran goes 1/1/1 or all in's to have a chance of even winning a game?? Everyone says Huk lost because he played like shit... WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU. A protoss has to play unbelievable to win have a chance to win 1 game. You're proving my point even more. Huk is the best Protoss in the world right now... and if he gets dominated like that what does that tell you?? It's imbalanced... If MVP or nestea played Protoss, they would get owned even with a year of training. I would never use Protoss even though it's my offrace.. in a ladder game. If it wasn't imbalance why hasn't a protoss won any big tournaments in a long time??? MLG/GSL/IEM... anything... there's a reason why... Protoss is by far the worst race to use. You're blind. Huk is not the best Protoss in the world. Also, stop QQ-ing so much. If you want to debate, then debate with some arguments. Don't just start crying a river in a LR thread. If anything, you are making T/Z players happy at your sorrow.
so i guess being the highest protoss to make it to the round of 8 in the highest league means nothing.
I guess the green bay packers aren't the best team in football just because they won the superbowl by your logic. Huk made it to Code S round of 8. I guess he sucks right?? I guess anyone can make it to round of 8 Code S right? man you guys are dumb
I'm a terran user, and i'm sick of terran and zerg users saying it's because Toss users should play better. It's funny because i remember Zergs/terran users crying because MC was using imba units like sentries/blink stalkers. now the tables have turned and it's not the game, it's because of the protoss players suck.
TvP is the most broken matchup other then pvz. it's so easy playing against Any protoss. wall in.. marine/tank... banchee so the toss must make obs. bring SCVs to tank zealots and then when they die siege up nat. templars/dts are usefull but you can't even tech to that tree because you robo for banchees.. it's hilarious.
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On September 08 2011 04:22 Olinim wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2011 04:15 aresendez88 wrote:On September 08 2011 02:51 Toadvine wrote:
Results exactly as expected. Except for Check's good run, that is; totally expected MC to get owned by LosirA and Jjakji.
On a related note, I sometimes wonder how many Terrans we need to have in Code S to convince the majority that there's really some problem with the game. Personally, I think I'm only going to watch Code A next season. I want to support GoM with my viewership, and the upcoming Code A looks very promising, but Code S honestly feels like a total joke to me at this point. Also, there's a limit to how much TvT you can watch in a row, as fun as it can be sometimes. If you looked at the results only you would think there might be a problem but if you actually sit and watch the games and keep up with it you aren't as surprised. MC is playing bad, Alicia is playing bad, they've been slumping for a while and have now dropped to Code A while players like Jajjkji and Leenock who have been on the radar for a while now have moved up. How is this surprising to anyone if you actually watched the games? If you watched the qualifiers and saw the massive influx of non-Terrans into Code A you'd notice that this current heavy Terran trend is temporary and merely a result of a Terran heavy Code A that we had for a couple seasons. It's all based on racial population to pull from. I'm sure it's a coincidence that every protoss just plays bad in GSL. Yup. Just a total coincidence. MC, huk, hongun, alicia, puzzle. They should just learn to play so protoss can win a GSL. Noobs.
best post all day... LOL... it's weird how all the protoss all of a sudden play bad by team liquid standards. it's like 2012 early...
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On September 08 2011 02:14 Olinim wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2011 02:09 proot wrote:On September 08 2011 01:43 tuho12345 wrote:
MC would have become the best player in the world forever if he switched to other races and not Protoss lol. Too bad he opened SG in every single PvZ and I don't understand it. 1 good EMP = gg, 10 good storms after that didn't change a thing.
Won't buy next season ticket though. People like you crack me up. You can't see that MC has not been playing well recently. You can't see that MC did not play well today. The worst part of your mentality is, you're so convinced protoss is a shitty race that you can't factor in the skills of other players when they win. And sorry, MC wouldn't have won a championship as terran. He won his championship off of 4 gate and timing attacks that were very unknown at the time. Once players figured him out, he started losing quite a bit. Sure, he'd be good, but the best? The guy barely cut it as a progamer in BW. Don't get me wrong, he's talented, but obviously way less talented than players like mvp, losira, and puzzle. Less talented than puzzle and losira who have only won code a? get the hell out. Seriously what has puzzle done? MC is the only person who innovated protoss at all. The only protoss to win GSL. MC IS protoss.
It isn't about results. Its about skill.
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On September 08 2011 04:29 pt wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2011 02:14 Olinim wrote:On September 08 2011 02:09 proot wrote:On September 08 2011 01:43 tuho12345 wrote:
MC would have become the best player in the world forever if he switched to other races and not Protoss lol. Too bad he opened SG in every single PvZ and I don't understand it. 1 good EMP = gg, 10 good storms after that didn't change a thing.
Won't buy next season ticket though. People like you crack me up. You can't see that MC has not been playing well recently. You can't see that MC did not play well today. The worst part of your mentality is, you're so convinced protoss is a shitty race that you can't factor in the skills of other players when they win. And sorry, MC wouldn't have won a championship as terran. He won his championship off of 4 gate and timing attacks that were very unknown at the time. Once players figured him out, he started losing quite a bit. Sure, he'd be good, but the best? The guy barely cut it as a progamer in BW. Don't get me wrong, he's talented, but obviously way less talented than players like mvp, losira, and puzzle. Less talented than puzzle and losira who have only won code a? get the hell out. Seriously what has puzzle done? MC is the only person who innovated protoss at all. The only protoss to win GSL. MC IS protoss. It isn't about results. Its about skill.
Only way to actually measure skill when we're debating over a forum. You can say "lol puzzle is so much more skilled...I see it in the way he plays..." I disagree and remind you that MC is the most successful sc2 player so far, and your opinion about losira/puzzles talent really becomes meaningless in the face of actual results :/
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On September 08 2011 04:15 aresendez88 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2011 02:51 Toadvine wrote:
Results exactly as expected. Except for Check's good run, that is; totally expected MC to get owned by LosirA and Jjakji.
On a related note, I sometimes wonder how many Terrans we need to have in Code S to convince the majority that there's really some problem with the game. Personally, I think I'm only going to watch Code A next season. I want to support GoM with my viewership, and the upcoming Code A looks very promising, but Code S honestly feels like a total joke to me at this point. Also, there's a limit to how much TvT you can watch in a row, as fun as it can be sometimes. If you looked at the results only you would think there might be a problem but if you actually sit and watch the games and keep up with it you aren't as surprised. MC is playing bad, Alicia is playing bad, they've been slumping for a while and have now dropped to Code A while players like Jajjkji and Leenock who have been on the radar for a while now have moved up. How is this surprising to anyone if you actually watched the games? If you watched the qualifiers and saw the massive influx of non-Terrans into Code A you'd notice that this current heavy Terran trend is temporary and merely a result of a Terran heavy Code A that we had for a couple seasons. It's all based on racial population to pull from.
How do you explain the following win rates?
PvZ for this GSL (code A and Code S): 28% 4 wins-10 losses
PvT for this GSL (code A and Code S): 34% 15 wins 29 losses
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On September 08 2011 04:22 Olinim wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2011 04:15 aresendez88 wrote:On September 08 2011 02:51 Toadvine wrote:
Results exactly as expected. Except for Check's good run, that is; totally expected MC to get owned by LosirA and Jjakji.
On a related note, I sometimes wonder how many Terrans we need to have in Code S to convince the majority that there's really some problem with the game. Personally, I think I'm only going to watch Code A next season. I want to support GoM with my viewership, and the upcoming Code A looks very promising, but Code S honestly feels like a total joke to me at this point. Also, there's a limit to how much TvT you can watch in a row, as fun as it can be sometimes. If you looked at the results only you would think there might be a problem but if you actually sit and watch the games and keep up with it you aren't as surprised. MC is playing bad, Alicia is playing bad, they've been slumping for a while and have now dropped to Code A while players like Jajjkji and Leenock who have been on the radar for a while now have moved up. How is this surprising to anyone if you actually watched the games? If you watched the qualifiers and saw the massive influx of non-Terrans into Code A you'd notice that this current heavy Terran trend is temporary and merely a result of a Terran heavy Code A that we had for a couple seasons. It's all based on racial population to pull from. I'm sure it's a coincidence that every protoss just plays bad in GSL. Yup. Just a total coincidence. MC, huk, hongun, alicia, puzzle. They should just learn to play so protoss can win a GSL. Noobs.
Let's see.
MC in the RO32 got outplayed by MVP in his first game when he allowed MVP to set up a hard contain with bunkers and siege tanks in his choke and then tried to a-move into it; and then 2 rax all inn'd by Noblesse in the next one, something I've seen MC hold several times before but didn't this time for a few reasons.
Huk's mistakes have been discussed about a thousand times on these boards. He made enormous errors in judgement in 2 games against the best all around Terran in the GSL while also suffering a build order loss to MVP because MVP is very familiar with Huk's opening that he never changes.
Hongun got all inn'd twice by July in the RO16. When you play against July you play safe or you die, it's that simple he should have known that.
Alicia has been slumping for a while now.
Puzzle's loss in the RO16 was more due to Ryung playing like an absolute beast moreso than his own shortcomings. I think we'll see more of Puzzle next season in top form.
Genius couldn't handle the late game against TOP (and also just made chose some of the worst engagements I've ever seen at the pro level) and Trickster is also in a slump.
Did I miss anyone?
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On September 08 2011 04:35 aresendez88 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2011 04:22 Olinim wrote:On September 08 2011 04:15 aresendez88 wrote:On September 08 2011 02:51 Toadvine wrote:
Results exactly as expected. Except for Check's good run, that is; totally expected MC to get owned by LosirA and Jjakji.
On a related note, I sometimes wonder how many Terrans we need to have in Code S to convince the majority that there's really some problem with the game. Personally, I think I'm only going to watch Code A next season. I want to support GoM with my viewership, and the upcoming Code A looks very promising, but Code S honestly feels like a total joke to me at this point. Also, there's a limit to how much TvT you can watch in a row, as fun as it can be sometimes. If you looked at the results only you would think there might be a problem but if you actually sit and watch the games and keep up with it you aren't as surprised. MC is playing bad, Alicia is playing bad, they've been slumping for a while and have now dropped to Code A while players like Jajjkji and Leenock who have been on the radar for a while now have moved up. How is this surprising to anyone if you actually watched the games? If you watched the qualifiers and saw the massive influx of non-Terrans into Code A you'd notice that this current heavy Terran trend is temporary and merely a result of a Terran heavy Code A that we had for a couple seasons. It's all based on racial population to pull from. I'm sure it's a coincidence that every protoss just plays bad in GSL. Yup. Just a total coincidence. MC, huk, hongun, alicia, puzzle. They should just learn to play so protoss can win a GSL. Noobs. Let's see. MC in the RO32 got outplayed by MVP in his first game when he allowed MVP to set up a hard contain with bunkers and siege tanks in his choke and then tried to a-move into it; and then 2 rax all inn'd by Noblesse in the next one, something I've seen MC hold several times before but didn't this time for a few reasons. Huk's mistakes have been discussed about a thousand times on these boards. He made enormous errors in judgement in 2 games against the best all around Terran in the GSL while also suffering a build order loss to MVP because MVP is very familiar with Huk's opening that he never changes. Hongun got all inn'd twice by July in the RO16. When you play against July you play safe or you die, it's that simple he should have known that. Alicia has been slumping for a while now. Puzzle's loss in the RO16 was more due to Ryung playing like an absolute beast moreso than his own shortcomings. I think we'll see more of Puzzle next season in top form. Genius couldn't handle the late game against TOP (and also just made chose some of the worst engagements I've ever seen at the pro level) and Trickster is also in a slump. Did I miss anyone?
And yet this is all the protoss race has to offer. If the code S protoss play like shit why aren't they replaced with better protoss? What, no one is capable of playing protoss well? When you look at this and the winrates perhaps there is a shortcoming with the race as well.
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On September 08 2011 04:32 Olinim wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2011 04:29 pt wrote:On September 08 2011 02:14 Olinim wrote:On September 08 2011 02:09 proot wrote:On September 08 2011 01:43 tuho12345 wrote:
MC would have become the best player in the world forever if he switched to other races and not Protoss lol. Too bad he opened SG in every single PvZ and I don't understand it. 1 good EMP = gg, 10 good storms after that didn't change a thing.
Won't buy next season ticket though. People like you crack me up. You can't see that MC has not been playing well recently. You can't see that MC did not play well today. The worst part of your mentality is, you're so convinced protoss is a shitty race that you can't factor in the skills of other players when they win. And sorry, MC wouldn't have won a championship as terran. He won his championship off of 4 gate and timing attacks that were very unknown at the time. Once players figured him out, he started losing quite a bit. Sure, he'd be good, but the best? The guy barely cut it as a progamer in BW. Don't get me wrong, he's talented, but obviously way less talented than players like mvp, losira, and puzzle. Less talented than puzzle and losira who have only won code a? get the hell out. Seriously what has puzzle done? MC is the only person who innovated protoss at all. The only protoss to win GSL. MC IS protoss. It isn't about results. Its about skill. Only way to actually measure skill when we're debating over a forum. You can say "lol puzzle is so much more skilled...I see it in the way he plays..." I disagree and remind you that MC is the most successful sc2 player so far, and your opinion about losira/puzzles talent really becomes meaningless in the face of actual results :/
MC WAS the most successful SC2 player a few months ago. Since his peak he has since been passed up in titles both at home in Korea and abroad by Nestea and MVP who are both playing much better and consistently than he is.
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On September 08 2011 04:25 tranmillitary wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2011 03:29 QTIP. wrote:On September 08 2011 03:22 tranmillitary wrote:On September 08 2011 03:07 babylon wrote:On September 08 2011 02:43 tranmillitary wrote:
There is no chance of any Protoss winning for the near future. Unless blizzard nerf's terran/zerg.. the game will be Terran Vs Zerg in Code S. Huk look liked a bronze newb Vs MVP. Huk is one of the best Protoss in the game and MVP was playing around with him. I use Terran and i'm sick of TvT's. You used the worst example possible. Huk lost because he played like shit, not because of imbalance. The only "imbalanced" thing that MVP did was go 1/1/1 in Game 2 because Huk said he knew the counter and MVP's Protoss practice partners wanted MVP to 1/1/1 Huk so they could see the damn nonexistent counter. (Lesson learned. Huk, keep your mouth shut next time before your Protoss brothers throw you to the dogs.) Complaining about Huk vs. MVP would be like me, a shit Zerg, whining about 11/11 when I get rolled by a GM Terran. It's not imbalanced; he's just tiers above me. MVP played tiers above Huk. That's why he lost. Anyways, Jjakji is awesome. Just watched his first game against Losira, and wow, this is why you don't let Terran turtle to max supply. Also, mass medivacs? What? Amazing play by Jjakji there. Worst example?? the first game where MVp went marines and tanks and pinned Huk.. ? So basically 2 of the 3 games Huk had no chance to win. is that what you're saying?? wow So huk has to hope no terran goes 1/1/1 or all in's to have a chance of even winning a game?? Everyone says Huk lost because he played like shit... WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU. A protoss has to play unbelievable to win have a chance to win 1 game. You're proving my point even more. Huk is the best Protoss in the world right now... and if he gets dominated like that what does that tell you?? It's imbalanced... If MVP or nestea played Protoss, they would get owned even with a year of training. I would never use Protoss even though it's my offrace.. in a ladder game. If it wasn't imbalance why hasn't a protoss won any big tournaments in a long time??? MLG/GSL/IEM... anything... there's a reason why... Protoss is by far the worst race to use. You're blind. Huk is not the best Protoss in the world. Also, stop QQ-ing so much. If you want to debate, then debate with some arguments. Don't just start crying a river in a LR thread. If anything, you are making T/Z players happy at your sorrow. so i guess being the highest protoss to make it to the round of 8 in the highest league means nothing. I guess the green bay packers aren't the best team in football just because they won the superbowl by your logic. Huk made it to Code S round of 8. I guess he sucks right?? I guess anyone can make it to round of 8 Code S right? man you guys are dumb I'm a terran user, and i'm sick of terran and zerg users saying it's because Toss users should play better. It's funny because i remember Zergs/terran users crying because MC was using imba units like sentries/blink stalkers. now the tables have turned and it's not the game, it's because of the protoss players suck. TvP is the most broken matchup other then pvz. it's so easy playing against Any protoss. wall in.. marine/tank... banchee so the toss must make obs. bring SCVs to tank zealots and then when they die siege up nat. templars/dts are usefull but you can't even tech to that tree because you robo for banchees.. it's hilarious.
LOL I'm sorry I actually burst out laughing. But did you just compare making the round of 8 in GSL to winning the fucking super bowl??
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On September 08 2011 04:39 aresendez88 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2011 04:32 Olinim wrote:On September 08 2011 04:29 pt wrote:On September 08 2011 02:14 Olinim wrote:On September 08 2011 02:09 proot wrote:On September 08 2011 01:43 tuho12345 wrote:
MC would have become the best player in the world forever if he switched to other races and not Protoss lol. Too bad he opened SG in every single PvZ and I don't understand it. 1 good EMP = gg, 10 good storms after that didn't change a thing.
Won't buy next season ticket though. People like you crack me up. You can't see that MC has not been playing well recently. You can't see that MC did not play well today. The worst part of your mentality is, you're so convinced protoss is a shitty race that you can't factor in the skills of other players when they win. And sorry, MC wouldn't have won a championship as terran. He won his championship off of 4 gate and timing attacks that were very unknown at the time. Once players figured him out, he started losing quite a bit. Sure, he'd be good, but the best? The guy barely cut it as a progamer in BW. Don't get me wrong, he's talented, but obviously way less talented than players like mvp, losira, and puzzle. Less talented than puzzle and losira who have only won code a? get the hell out. Seriously what has puzzle done? MC is the only person who innovated protoss at all. The only protoss to win GSL. MC IS protoss. It isn't about results. Its about skill. Only way to actually measure skill when we're debating over a forum. You can say "lol puzzle is so much more skilled...I see it in the way he plays..." I disagree and remind you that MC is the most successful sc2 player so far, and your opinion about losira/puzzles talent really becomes meaningless in the face of actual results :/ MC WAS the most successful SC2 player a few months ago. Since his peak he has since been passed up in titles both at home in Korea and abroad by Nestea and MVP who are both playing much better and consistently than he is.
We're talking overall. He still has the most money and most major tournament placings/winnings. He still is the most successful player so far. Also MVP has 1 international title....how has he passed up MC "abroad"
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