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I have an urge to start playing Terran. It's the least fun race for me to play normally, but sometimes I think it would be nice to play the same race that I see in most of the high level (read Code S) games. I don't know if it's bliz's fault, the player's fault, SlayerS' fault or just Korean bandwaggoning but the T% in Code S is getting a little ridiculous. I hope it can change through time or patches if needed. It's just not that exciting at the moment, and I have very little appreciation for TvT.
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On September 08 2011 04:38 Olinim wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2011 04:35 aresendez88 wrote:On September 08 2011 04:22 Olinim wrote:On September 08 2011 04:15 aresendez88 wrote:On September 08 2011 02:51 Toadvine wrote:
Results exactly as expected. Except for Check's good run, that is; totally expected MC to get owned by LosirA and Jjakji.
On a related note, I sometimes wonder how many Terrans we need to have in Code S to convince the majority that there's really some problem with the game. Personally, I think I'm only going to watch Code A next season. I want to support GoM with my viewership, and the upcoming Code A looks very promising, but Code S honestly feels like a total joke to me at this point. Also, there's a limit to how much TvT you can watch in a row, as fun as it can be sometimes. If you looked at the results only you would think there might be a problem but if you actually sit and watch the games and keep up with it you aren't as surprised. MC is playing bad, Alicia is playing bad, they've been slumping for a while and have now dropped to Code A while players like Jajjkji and Leenock who have been on the radar for a while now have moved up. How is this surprising to anyone if you actually watched the games? If you watched the qualifiers and saw the massive influx of non-Terrans into Code A you'd notice that this current heavy Terran trend is temporary and merely a result of a Terran heavy Code A that we had for a couple seasons. It's all based on racial population to pull from. I'm sure it's a coincidence that every protoss just plays bad in GSL. Yup. Just a total coincidence. MC, huk, hongun, alicia, puzzle. They should just learn to play so protoss can win a GSL. Noobs. Let's see. MC in the RO32 got outplayed by MVP in his first game when he allowed MVP to set up a hard contain with bunkers and siege tanks in his choke and then tried to a-move into it; and then 2 rax all inn'd by Noblesse in the next one, something I've seen MC hold several times before but didn't this time for a few reasons. Huk's mistakes have been discussed about a thousand times on these boards. He made enormous errors in judgement in 2 games against the best all around Terran in the GSL while also suffering a build order loss to MVP because MVP is very familiar with Huk's opening that he never changes. Hongun got all inn'd twice by July in the RO16. When you play against July you play safe or you die, it's that simple he should have known that. Alicia has been slumping for a while now. Puzzle's loss in the RO16 was more due to Ryung playing like an absolute beast moreso than his own shortcomings. I think we'll see more of Puzzle next season in top form. Genius couldn't handle the late game against TOP (and also just made chose some of the worst engagements I've ever seen at the pro level) and Trickster is also in a slump. Did I miss anyone? And yet this is all the protoss race has to offer. If the code S protoss play like shit why aren't they replaced with better protoss? What, no one is capable of playing protoss well? When you look at this and the winrates perhaps there is a shortcoming with the race as well.
Did you even bother to read my other post?
This is already happening. There are is a bunch of new blood entering Code A this season. We got guys like HerO, Sage and Oz as well as players I've never heard of like Weekend and Shinystar making it through the qualifiers.
This is the eb and flow of the GSL, players that can't keep up with the metagame are eventually forced out while new blood comes in to replace them. It doesn't happen all at once but it does eventually happen.
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Shouldn't have named him Obamatoss......that jinxes him hard
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Jijakshi definetly should have had to play Losira to see who gets into Code S. Just seems fair.
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On September 08 2011 04:43 aresendez88 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2011 04:38 Olinim wrote:On September 08 2011 04:35 aresendez88 wrote:On September 08 2011 04:22 Olinim wrote:On September 08 2011 04:15 aresendez88 wrote:On September 08 2011 02:51 Toadvine wrote:
Results exactly as expected. Except for Check's good run, that is; totally expected MC to get owned by LosirA and Jjakji.
On a related note, I sometimes wonder how many Terrans we need to have in Code S to convince the majority that there's really some problem with the game. Personally, I think I'm only going to watch Code A next season. I want to support GoM with my viewership, and the upcoming Code A looks very promising, but Code S honestly feels like a total joke to me at this point. Also, there's a limit to how much TvT you can watch in a row, as fun as it can be sometimes. If you looked at the results only you would think there might be a problem but if you actually sit and watch the games and keep up with it you aren't as surprised. MC is playing bad, Alicia is playing bad, they've been slumping for a while and have now dropped to Code A while players like Jajjkji and Leenock who have been on the radar for a while now have moved up. How is this surprising to anyone if you actually watched the games? If you watched the qualifiers and saw the massive influx of non-Terrans into Code A you'd notice that this current heavy Terran trend is temporary and merely a result of a Terran heavy Code A that we had for a couple seasons. It's all based on racial population to pull from. I'm sure it's a coincidence that every protoss just plays bad in GSL. Yup. Just a total coincidence. MC, huk, hongun, alicia, puzzle. They should just learn to play so protoss can win a GSL. Noobs. Let's see. MC in the RO32 got outplayed by MVP in his first game when he allowed MVP to set up a hard contain with bunkers and siege tanks in his choke and then tried to a-move into it; and then 2 rax all inn'd by Noblesse in the next one, something I've seen MC hold several times before but didn't this time for a few reasons. Huk's mistakes have been discussed about a thousand times on these boards. He made enormous errors in judgement in 2 games against the best all around Terran in the GSL while also suffering a build order loss to MVP because MVP is very familiar with Huk's opening that he never changes. Hongun got all inn'd twice by July in the RO16. When you play against July you play safe or you die, it's that simple he should have known that. Alicia has been slumping for a while now. Puzzle's loss in the RO16 was more due to Ryung playing like an absolute beast moreso than his own shortcomings. I think we'll see more of Puzzle next season in top form. Genius couldn't handle the late game against TOP (and also just made chose some of the worst engagements I've ever seen at the pro level) and Trickster is also in a slump. Did I miss anyone? And yet this is all the protoss race has to offer. If the code S protoss play like shit why aren't they replaced with better protoss? What, no one is capable of playing protoss well? When you look at this and the winrates perhaps there is a shortcoming with the race as well. Did you even bother to read my other post? This is already happening. There are is a bunch of new blood entering Code A this season. We got guys like HerO, Sage and Oz as well as players I've never heard of like Weekend and Shinystar making it through the qualifiers. This is the eb and flow of the GSL, players that can't keep up with the metagame are eventually forced out while new blood comes in to replace them. It doesn't happen all at once but it does eventually happen.
Except none of those players are better than the code S protoss so we'll be in the same crappy spot having 30 percent winrates.
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On September 08 2011 04:45 Olinim wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2011 04:43 aresendez88 wrote:On September 08 2011 04:38 Olinim wrote:On September 08 2011 04:35 aresendez88 wrote:On September 08 2011 04:22 Olinim wrote:On September 08 2011 04:15 aresendez88 wrote:On September 08 2011 02:51 Toadvine wrote:
Results exactly as expected. Except for Check's good run, that is; totally expected MC to get owned by LosirA and Jjakji.
On a related note, I sometimes wonder how many Terrans we need to have in Code S to convince the majority that there's really some problem with the game. Personally, I think I'm only going to watch Code A next season. I want to support GoM with my viewership, and the upcoming Code A looks very promising, but Code S honestly feels like a total joke to me at this point. Also, there's a limit to how much TvT you can watch in a row, as fun as it can be sometimes. If you looked at the results only you would think there might be a problem but if you actually sit and watch the games and keep up with it you aren't as surprised. MC is playing bad, Alicia is playing bad, they've been slumping for a while and have now dropped to Code A while players like Jajjkji and Leenock who have been on the radar for a while now have moved up. How is this surprising to anyone if you actually watched the games? If you watched the qualifiers and saw the massive influx of non-Terrans into Code A you'd notice that this current heavy Terran trend is temporary and merely a result of a Terran heavy Code A that we had for a couple seasons. It's all based on racial population to pull from. I'm sure it's a coincidence that every protoss just plays bad in GSL. Yup. Just a total coincidence. MC, huk, hongun, alicia, puzzle. They should just learn to play so protoss can win a GSL. Noobs. Let's see. MC in the RO32 got outplayed by MVP in his first game when he allowed MVP to set up a hard contain with bunkers and siege tanks in his choke and then tried to a-move into it; and then 2 rax all inn'd by Noblesse in the next one, something I've seen MC hold several times before but didn't this time for a few reasons. Huk's mistakes have been discussed about a thousand times on these boards. He made enormous errors in judgement in 2 games against the best all around Terran in the GSL while also suffering a build order loss to MVP because MVP is very familiar with Huk's opening that he never changes. Hongun got all inn'd twice by July in the RO16. When you play against July you play safe or you die, it's that simple he should have known that. Alicia has been slumping for a while now. Puzzle's loss in the RO16 was more due to Ryung playing like an absolute beast moreso than his own shortcomings. I think we'll see more of Puzzle next season in top form. Genius couldn't handle the late game against TOP (and also just made chose some of the worst engagements I've ever seen at the pro level) and Trickster is also in a slump. Did I miss anyone? And yet this is all the protoss race has to offer. If the code S protoss play like shit why aren't they replaced with better protoss? What, no one is capable of playing protoss well? When you look at this and the winrates perhaps there is a shortcoming with the race as well. Did you even bother to read my other post? This is already happening. There are is a bunch of new blood entering Code A this season. We got guys like HerO, Sage and Oz as well as players I've never heard of like Weekend and Shinystar making it through the qualifiers. This is the eb and flow of the GSL, players that can't keep up with the metagame are eventually forced out while new blood comes in to replace them. It doesn't happen all at once but it does eventually happen. Except none of those players are better than the code S protoss....
Not yet maybe, but they have the potential to be.
Just because you're Code S now doesn't mean it entitles you to stay there forever. The competition below them is fierce and full of players that want to prove themselves. If they can't keep up then they'll be forced down out of Code S just like MC and Alicia were.
If MC and Alicia are the real deal they'll make it back out of Code A just like MVP and Leenock did and like I'm hoping Marineking can tonight.
You cannot just simply assume that because of a player's previous accomplishments they will stay at the top of the food chain in the GSL forever. It's too competitive over there for that.
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On September 08 2011 04:40 Olinim wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2011 04:39 aresendez88 wrote:On September 08 2011 04:32 Olinim wrote:On September 08 2011 04:29 pt wrote:On September 08 2011 02:14 Olinim wrote:On September 08 2011 02:09 proot wrote:On September 08 2011 01:43 tuho12345 wrote:
MC would have become the best player in the world forever if he switched to other races and not Protoss lol. Too bad he opened SG in every single PvZ and I don't understand it. 1 good EMP = gg, 10 good storms after that didn't change a thing.
Won't buy next season ticket though. People like you crack me up. You can't see that MC has not been playing well recently. You can't see that MC did not play well today. The worst part of your mentality is, you're so convinced protoss is a shitty race that you can't factor in the skills of other players when they win. And sorry, MC wouldn't have won a championship as terran. He won his championship off of 4 gate and timing attacks that were very unknown at the time. Once players figured him out, he started losing quite a bit. Sure, he'd be good, but the best? The guy barely cut it as a progamer in BW. Don't get me wrong, he's talented, but obviously way less talented than players like mvp, losira, and puzzle. Less talented than puzzle and losira who have only won code a? get the hell out. Seriously what has puzzle done? MC is the only person who innovated protoss at all. The only protoss to win GSL. MC IS protoss. It isn't about results. Its about skill. Only way to actually measure skill when we're debating over a forum. You can say "lol puzzle is so much more skilled...I see it in the way he plays..." I disagree and remind you that MC is the most successful sc2 player so far, and your opinion about losira/puzzles talent really becomes meaningless in the face of actual results :/ MC WAS the most successful SC2 player a few months ago. Since his peak he has since been passed up in titles both at home in Korea and abroad by Nestea and MVP who are both playing much better and consistently than he is. We're talking overall. He still has the most money and most major tournament placings/winnings. He still is the most successful player so far. Also MVP has 1 international title....how has he passed up MC "abroad"
If tournament winnings were an accurate way to measure skill, one would still think that Moon is the best player in the world in WC3 currently, but he's not even the best NE in Korea. Just saying.
Anyways, I don't think that Protoss players are any worse than the Protoss or Zerg players, more that the race itself is badly designed so that you can't really ... do much with it, if that makes any sense at all. However, never fear, things are looking up! Protoss players and Zerg players completely outnumber the Terran players in Code A. Additionally, the following looks promising:
On September 08 2011 04:02 Toadvine wrote:I was intrigued by this, and went through the rosters of major KR teams on TLPD, just tallying up the numbers of each race. I don't necessarily think this is the right sample space, perhaps something like Korean GM would be better? In any case, it comes down to the following: Terran: 60 Protoss: 55 Zerg: 48 Total: 163 Which gives a 37/34/29 distribution, percentage-wise. One interesting fact I've noted, skimming through those player lists, is that most of the Terran names are known to me, and are either in Code S or Code A, while I haven't even heard of a lot of the Protoss players. So yeah, we might not get any more Terrans in GSL, because the pro teams simply don't have any more.  I imagine the teams try to maintain a healthy race distribution for practice purposes, so unless they go on a crazy Terran shopping spree, we might reach a "Code S for Terrans, Code A for the other races" balanced state.
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On September 08 2011 04:50 babylon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2011 04:40 Olinim wrote:On September 08 2011 04:39 aresendez88 wrote:On September 08 2011 04:32 Olinim wrote:On September 08 2011 04:29 pt wrote:On September 08 2011 02:14 Olinim wrote:On September 08 2011 02:09 proot wrote:On September 08 2011 01:43 tuho12345 wrote:
MC would have become the best player in the world forever if he switched to other races and not Protoss lol. Too bad he opened SG in every single PvZ and I don't understand it. 1 good EMP = gg, 10 good storms after that didn't change a thing.
Won't buy next season ticket though. People like you crack me up. You can't see that MC has not been playing well recently. You can't see that MC did not play well today. The worst part of your mentality is, you're so convinced protoss is a shitty race that you can't factor in the skills of other players when they win. And sorry, MC wouldn't have won a championship as terran. He won his championship off of 4 gate and timing attacks that were very unknown at the time. Once players figured him out, he started losing quite a bit. Sure, he'd be good, but the best? The guy barely cut it as a progamer in BW. Don't get me wrong, he's talented, but obviously way less talented than players like mvp, losira, and puzzle. Less talented than puzzle and losira who have only won code a? get the hell out. Seriously what has puzzle done? MC is the only person who innovated protoss at all. The only protoss to win GSL. MC IS protoss. It isn't about results. Its about skill. Only way to actually measure skill when we're debating over a forum. You can say "lol puzzle is so much more skilled...I see it in the way he plays..." I disagree and remind you that MC is the most successful sc2 player so far, and your opinion about losira/puzzles talent really becomes meaningless in the face of actual results :/ MC WAS the most successful SC2 player a few months ago. Since his peak he has since been passed up in titles both at home in Korea and abroad by Nestea and MVP who are both playing much better and consistently than he is. We're talking overall. He still has the most money and most major tournament placings/winnings. He still is the most successful player so far. Also MVP has 1 international title....how has he passed up MC "abroad" If tournament winnings were an accurate way to measure skill, one would still think that Moon is the best player in the world in WC3 currently, but he's not even the best NE in Korea. Just saying. Anyways, I don't think that Protoss players are any worse than the Protoss or Zerg players, more that the race itself is badly designed so that you can't really ... do much with it, if that makes any sense at all. However, never fear, things are looking up! Protoss players and Zerg players completely outnumber the Terran players in Code A. Additionally, the following looks promising: Show nested quote +On September 08 2011 04:02 Toadvine wrote:I was intrigued by this, and went through the rosters of major KR teams on TLPD, just tallying up the numbers of each race. I don't necessarily think this is the right sample space, perhaps something like Korean GM would be better? In any case, it comes down to the following: Terran: 60 Protoss: 55 Zerg: 48 Total: 163 Which gives a 37/34/29 distribution, percentage-wise. One interesting fact I've noted, skimming through those player lists, is that most of the Terran names are known to me, and are either in Code S or Code A, while I haven't even heard of a lot of the Protoss players. So yeah, we might not get any more Terrans in GSL, because the pro teams simply don't have any more. I imagine the teams try to maintain a healthy race distribution for practice purposes, so unless they go on a crazy Terran shopping spree, we might reach a "Code S for Terrans, Code A for the other races" balanced state.
I didn't say MC was the best player overall... I said he was the most successful. Obviously that doesn't translate to he's better than everyone but it isn't meaningless, he is the most successful for a reason.
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Yes MC in Code A got tired of everybody defending this guy he is so bad....anyway I am happy about jjakji he is a good terran. I Hope taeja and JYP crush some face tomorrow.
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On September 08 2011 04:51 Olinim wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2011 04:50 babylon wrote:On September 08 2011 04:40 Olinim wrote:On September 08 2011 04:39 aresendez88 wrote:On September 08 2011 04:32 Olinim wrote:On September 08 2011 04:29 pt wrote:On September 08 2011 02:14 Olinim wrote:On September 08 2011 02:09 proot wrote:On September 08 2011 01:43 tuho12345 wrote:
MC would have become the best player in the world forever if he switched to other races and not Protoss lol. Too bad he opened SG in every single PvZ and I don't understand it. 1 good EMP = gg, 10 good storms after that didn't change a thing.
Won't buy next season ticket though. People like you crack me up. You can't see that MC has not been playing well recently. You can't see that MC did not play well today. The worst part of your mentality is, you're so convinced protoss is a shitty race that you can't factor in the skills of other players when they win. And sorry, MC wouldn't have won a championship as terran. He won his championship off of 4 gate and timing attacks that were very unknown at the time. Once players figured him out, he started losing quite a bit. Sure, he'd be good, but the best? The guy barely cut it as a progamer in BW. Don't get me wrong, he's talented, but obviously way less talented than players like mvp, losira, and puzzle. Less talented than puzzle and losira who have only won code a? get the hell out. Seriously what has puzzle done? MC is the only person who innovated protoss at all. The only protoss to win GSL. MC IS protoss. It isn't about results. Its about skill. Only way to actually measure skill when we're debating over a forum. You can say "lol puzzle is so much more skilled...I see it in the way he plays..." I disagree and remind you that MC is the most successful sc2 player so far, and your opinion about losira/puzzles talent really becomes meaningless in the face of actual results :/ MC WAS the most successful SC2 player a few months ago. Since his peak he has since been passed up in titles both at home in Korea and abroad by Nestea and MVP who are both playing much better and consistently than he is. We're talking overall. He still has the most money and most major tournament placings/winnings. He still is the most successful player so far. Also MVP has 1 international title....how has he passed up MC "abroad" If tournament winnings were an accurate way to measure skill, one would still think that Moon is the best player in the world in WC3 currently, but he's not even the best NE in Korea. Just saying. Anyways, I don't think that Protoss players are any worse than the Protoss or Zerg players, more that the race itself is badly designed so that you can't really ... do much with it, if that makes any sense at all. However, never fear, things are looking up! Protoss players and Zerg players completely outnumber the Terran players in Code A. Additionally, the following looks promising: On September 08 2011 04:02 Toadvine wrote:I was intrigued by this, and went through the rosters of major KR teams on TLPD, just tallying up the numbers of each race. I don't necessarily think this is the right sample space, perhaps something like Korean GM would be better? In any case, it comes down to the following: Terran: 60 Protoss: 55 Zerg: 48 Total: 163 Which gives a 37/34/29 distribution, percentage-wise. One interesting fact I've noted, skimming through those player lists, is that most of the Terran names are known to me, and are either in Code S or Code A, while I haven't even heard of a lot of the Protoss players. So yeah, we might not get any more Terrans in GSL, because the pro teams simply don't have any more. I imagine the teams try to maintain a healthy race distribution for practice purposes, so unless they go on a crazy Terran shopping spree, we might reach a "Code S for Terrans, Code A for the other races" balanced state. I didn't say MC was the best player overall... I said he was the most successful.
I thought this was you?
On September 08 2011 04:32 Olinim wrote:
Only way to actually measure skill when we're debating over a forum. You can say "lol puzzle is so much more skilled...I see it in the way he plays..." I disagree and remind you that MC is the most successful sc2 player so far, and your opinion about losira/puzzles talent really becomes meaningless in the face of actual results :/
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On September 08 2011 04:54 babylon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2011 04:51 Olinim wrote:On September 08 2011 04:50 babylon wrote:On September 08 2011 04:40 Olinim wrote:On September 08 2011 04:39 aresendez88 wrote:On September 08 2011 04:32 Olinim wrote:On September 08 2011 04:29 pt wrote:On September 08 2011 02:14 Olinim wrote:On September 08 2011 02:09 proot wrote:On September 08 2011 01:43 tuho12345 wrote:
MC would have become the best player in the world forever if he switched to other races and not Protoss lol. Too bad he opened SG in every single PvZ and I don't understand it. 1 good EMP = gg, 10 good storms after that didn't change a thing.
Won't buy next season ticket though. People like you crack me up. You can't see that MC has not been playing well recently. You can't see that MC did not play well today. The worst part of your mentality is, you're so convinced protoss is a shitty race that you can't factor in the skills of other players when they win. And sorry, MC wouldn't have won a championship as terran. He won his championship off of 4 gate and timing attacks that were very unknown at the time. Once players figured him out, he started losing quite a bit. Sure, he'd be good, but the best? The guy barely cut it as a progamer in BW. Don't get me wrong, he's talented, but obviously way less talented than players like mvp, losira, and puzzle. Less talented than puzzle and losira who have only won code a? get the hell out. Seriously what has puzzle done? MC is the only person who innovated protoss at all. The only protoss to win GSL. MC IS protoss. It isn't about results. Its about skill. Only way to actually measure skill when we're debating over a forum. You can say "lol puzzle is so much more skilled...I see it in the way he plays..." I disagree and remind you that MC is the most successful sc2 player so far, and your opinion about losira/puzzles talent really becomes meaningless in the face of actual results :/ MC WAS the most successful SC2 player a few months ago. Since his peak he has since been passed up in titles both at home in Korea and abroad by Nestea and MVP who are both playing much better and consistently than he is. We're talking overall. He still has the most money and most major tournament placings/winnings. He still is the most successful player so far. Also MVP has 1 international title....how has he passed up MC "abroad" If tournament winnings were an accurate way to measure skill, one would still think that Moon is the best player in the world in WC3 currently, but he's not even the best NE in Korea. Just saying. Anyways, I don't think that Protoss players are any worse than the Protoss or Zerg players, more that the race itself is badly designed so that you can't really ... do much with it, if that makes any sense at all. However, never fear, things are looking up! Protoss players and Zerg players completely outnumber the Terran players in Code A. Additionally, the following looks promising: On September 08 2011 04:02 Toadvine wrote:I was intrigued by this, and went through the rosters of major KR teams on TLPD, just tallying up the numbers of each race. I don't necessarily think this is the right sample space, perhaps something like Korean GM would be better? In any case, it comes down to the following: Terran: 60 Protoss: 55 Zerg: 48 Total: 163 Which gives a 37/34/29 distribution, percentage-wise. One interesting fact I've noted, skimming through those player lists, is that most of the Terran names are known to me, and are either in Code S or Code A, while I haven't even heard of a lot of the Protoss players. So yeah, we might not get any more Terrans in GSL, because the pro teams simply don't have any more. I imagine the teams try to maintain a healthy race distribution for practice purposes, so unless they go on a crazy Terran shopping spree, we might reach a "Code S for Terrans, Code A for the other races" balanced state. I didn't say MC was the best player overall... I said he was the most successful. I thought this was you? Show nested quote +On September 08 2011 04:32 Olinim wrote:
Only way to actually measure skill when we're debating over a forum. You can say "lol puzzle is so much more skilled...I see it in the way he plays..." I disagree and remind you that MC is the most successful sc2 player so far, and your opinion about losira/puzzles talent really becomes meaningless in the face of actual results :/
It's not perfect but when you're arguing over a forum there isn't much else. It's not like there is some giant obvious skill difference between MC and puzzle and all I'm saying is there is a reason why MC has won 210k and puzzle has won 1k.
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Stop this balance shit.
Most Top Koreans play Terran and so its logic that there are more Terrans in Code S dont you think so? Look at NA or EU there are many more Zerg or Protoss in the higher ranks of any tournament. Its not a balance problem, if you dislike TvT emigrate to Korea pick Zerg or Protoss and try to reach Code S.
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All balance whining aside, I didn't realize MC has so many anti-fans.
Just wondering why that is. Is it cause he is cocky? Cause IdrA seems to only gain fans from that attitude.
Is it cause he does allins frequently? Cause he pretty much allins as much as Bomber does and I'm pretty sure no one can question his macro games.
It's just a bit disheartening to see pretty much the only Protoss hope in GSL fall to Code A and people saying he deserves it 
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damn it MC in code A
Lol SO many games today, they almost went for a third tiebreaker xD
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18 terran, 7 zerg, 5 brotoss
Hopefully JYP and Tester can pull something magical and advance! Gonna be cheering on for protoss!
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On September 08 2011 05:00 JKira wrote:All balance whining aside, I didn't realize MC has so many anti-fans. Just wondering why that is. Is it cause he is cocky? Cause IdrA seems to only gain fans from that attitude. Is it cause he does allins frequently? Cause he pretty much allins as much as Bomber does and I'm pretty sure no one can question his macro games. It's just a bit disheartening to see pretty much the only Protoss hope in GSL fall to Code A and people saying he deserves it
agreed. Hopefully someday we protoss can look to the GSL to see some real results and some solid builds or styles which allow us to really explore our race and enjoy some tournament success.
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Terran is the most mechanically demanding race in the high level if you have MVP's or MMA's mechanics. Even mechanical Zergs like IdrA or Losira just max out, attack, remax, attack etc....it's boring. Multitasking > Macro in Sc2 since passive macro is nothing special with MBS imo....
On September 08 2011 05:00 JKira wrote:All balance whining aside, I didn't realize MC has so many anti-fans. Just wondering why that is. Is it cause he is cocky? Cause IdrA seems to only gain fans from that attitude. Is it cause he does allins frequently? Cause he pretty much allins as much as Bomber does and I'm pretty sure no one can question his macro games. It's just a bit disheartening to see pretty much the only Protoss hope in GSL fall to Code A and people saying he deserves it
Western SC2 fans + internet anonymity = Fair Weather Fans. Look at how Jinro's fanbase changed when he got into 2 Ro4's and when he fell down to Code A/B
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Multitasking > Macro in Sc2 since passive macro is nothing special with MBS imo....
Well when you don't even need to waste spots in your medivac for Medics.... ;D
Not that there is anything wrong at all with the medivac, it's just 100% designed to allow for both multitasking and sustainability. We will see what happens once this WP buff comes along.
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Check got screwed in a 3 way tie check and jakjji both beat Losira and should have advanced. Poor decision to make them play the tie breaker instead of going with the obvious.
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