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SeaSwift
Scotland4486 Posts
On September 08 2011 06:17 Sprouter wrote: All it takes is one person to completely break the game and make Protoss op. You'll find it very hard to convince people that Bisu made Protoss "OP". Sure, it made PvZ Protoss favoured for a while, but there are very big differences in the parallel you are trying to make, and Protoss was in no way OP. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16044 Posts
On September 08 2011 05:00 JKira wrote: All balance whining aside, I didn't realize MC has so many anti-fans. Just wondering why that is. Is it cause he is cocky? Cause IdrA seems to only gain fans from that attitude. Is it cause he does allins frequently? Cause he pretty much allins as much as Bomber does and I'm pretty sure no one can question his macro games. It's just a bit disheartening to see pretty much the only Protoss hope in GSL fall to Code A and people saying he deserves it  It has nothing to do with being an anti-fan. I actually love MC i love watching him and I think his personality brings a lot to the overall competitiveness of the tournament. It's just that lately his play hasn't been resembling Code S level, and I'm not one of those guys that thinks a player should get tenured to stay in Code S. You either keep playing at that level consistently or you step aside and let some of the guys that are hungrier than you have a shot. That is why I have such respect for guys like Nada and recently Supernova. Even if they aren't winning they are constantly demonstrating a level of consistency that reminds everyone why they deserve to stay at the top level. If you can't continue to perform like those guys can then you don't belong there for that season. Code A isn't as bad as people make it out to be. The level of competition there is higher than most if not all foreign tournaments. Being in Code A doesn't mean you're no longer relevant as a player it just means you no longer are in the super elite just the elite. People advance out of it and drop out of it all the time. It is the place where these up and comers really get to shine and where the older veterans get to demonstrate they still have what it takes. I look forward to seeing MC in Code A. If he turns Kratoss mode back on it'll be entertaining to see what he can do. | ||
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yawnoC
United States3704 Posts
Hopefully he can make it back to the up and down matches again next season because he played really well in his matches. Check to MLG maybe ^_^ | ||
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Severus_
759 Posts
On September 08 2011 05:17 Necro)Phagist( wrote: Seriously? The guy with the most prize money in sc2 drops down to code A and you think is that bad? Then who is actually good? Yes most prize money =/= the best in the world, but surely you can't constantly win money being "So Bad". Are you joking ? The only reason he won those champs because he exploited the new things in the game people catch on with his retarted timing attacks and he has nothing. He can't macro to save his life most of his games are gambles when was the last time you watched some of his games and said LOL that some solid play ? Because every time i watch Nestea,Bomber,MVP and some of the others players (Losira,Puzzle,Bomber,DGR) in their specific matchups i'm amazed and think to myself this is unbeatble and don't tell me recent MC vs Puma 2 finals because the NASL one all his wins were allins and the terminus game was fail 4gate into cuting probes for robo. The IEM one was complete roflstomp from PuMa....even in his games in Code S were jokes vs MVP he scouts tank,marine hard contain and insted of droping gates and rolling it with better upgrades and gateway pumps he gets colo from 2 base that cuts his gateway count and he gets contained to his death. Even in team league he is a joke and fails his team the game vs Revival on terminus proves that how he always gambe and gets roflstomped. Yes he got 2 wins from Taeja and Ryung who are medicore in their TvP at best Taeja didn't scout any tech in his game and Ryung is a T sniper. About his GSL wins well grats on exploting 3gate voidray allins,4gate PvP and N-gate timings rly a true champion who can deny that.. Seriously don't try to defend this guy cuz he is a joke and you spit in the face in all those who play day after day to improve their game by having a better macro,micro,strat then to exploit some retard timing attacks. User was warned for this post | ||
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SeaSwift
Scotland4486 Posts
On September 08 2011 06:23 aresendez88 wrote: It has nothing to do with being an anti-fan. I actually love MC i love watching him and I think his personality brings a lot to the overall competitiveness of the tournament. It's just that lately his play hasn't been resembling Code S level, and I'm not one of those guys that thinks a player should get tenured to stay in Code S. You either keep playing at that level consistently or you step aside and let some of the guys that are hungrier than you have a shot. I know it's subjective, but I just completely disagree. He still looks like an absolute genius vs Puma at IEM, and although I firmly believe that the 3-0 loss was due to racial denial, that is kind of irrelevant here. If you download the replay and look from his player cam his play is absolutely top-notch, with the single mistake in the whole of the second game (not going to talk about his vs Puma's etc) being flying that one Warp Prism into the Marines. His pick-up of the HTs with the Warp Prism when the EMP was IN THE AIR was incredible, as was the blink up into the main. Metagame shifts in PvZ have made it hard for him, and PvT was always his "kryptonite" (meaning he was only mostly untouchable rather than entirely untouchable), but if you look at his PvP he still has a >70% win rate, which is astonishing especially when compared to Flash, the Ultimate Weapon's, winrates in each match up. I think to argue that MC is worse than some players in Code S (looking at you, Ensnare) is biased, ignorant and just plain wrong. | ||
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Olinim
4044 Posts
On September 08 2011 06:28 Severus_ wrote: Are you joking ? The only reason he won those champs because he exploited the new things in the game people catch on with his retarted timing attacks and he has nothing. He can't macro to save his life most of his games are gambles when was the last time you watched some of his games and said LOL that some solid play ? Because every time i watch Nestea,Bomber,MVP and some of the others players (Losira,Puzzle,Bomber,DGR) in their specific matchups i'm amazed and think to myself this is unbeatble and don't tell me recent MC vs Puma 2 finals because the NASL one all his wins were allins and the terminus game was fail 4gate into cuting probes for robo. The IEM one was complete roflstomp from PuMa....even in his games in Code S were jokes vs MVP he scouts tank,marine hard contain and insted of droping gates and rolling it with better upgrades and gateway pumps he gets colo from 2 base that cuts his gateway count and he gets contained to his death. Even in team league he is a joke and fails his team the game vs Revival on terminus proves that how he always gambe and gets roflstomped. Yes he got 2 wins from Taeja and Ryung who are medicore in their TvP at best Taeja didn't scout any tech in his game and Ryung is a T sniper. About his GSL wins well grats on exploting 3gate voidray allins,4gate PvP and N-gate timings rly a true champion who can deny that.. Seriously don't try to defend this guy cuz he is a joke and you spit in the face in all those who play day after day to improve their game by having a better macro,micro,strat then to exploit some retard timing attacks. Wow, I've never seen such a large concentration of horrible troll and abject stupidity in one post. Grats on your epic failure on every conceivable level. | ||
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Archile
United States403 Posts
so yeah, i would love to have a less biased thread about the results that doesn't turn into "MC sucks and this is why" ~Archile | ||
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MechKing
United States3004 Posts
On September 08 2011 06:28 Severus_ wrote: Are you joking ? The only reason he won those champs because he exploited the new things in the game people catch on with his retarted timing attacks and he has nothing. He can't macro to save his life most of his games are gambles when was the last time you watched some of his games and said LOL that some solid play ? Because every time i watch Nestea,Bomber,MVP and some of the others players (Losira,Puzzle,Bomber,DGR) in their specific matchups i'm amazed and think to myself this is unbeatble and don't tell me recent MC vs Puma 2 finals because the NASL one all his wins were allins and the terminus game was fail 4gate into cuting probes for robo. The IEM one was complete roflstomp from PuMa....even in his games in Code S were jokes vs MVP he scouts tank,marine hard contain and insted of droping gates and rolling it with better upgrades and gateway pumps he gets colo from 2 base that cuts his gateway count and he gets contained to his death. Even in team league he is a joke and fails his team the game vs Revival on terminus proves that how he always gambe and gets roflstomped. Yes he got 2 wins from Taeja and Ryung who are medicore in their TvP at best Taeja didn't scout any tech in his game and Ryung is a T sniper. About his GSL wins well grats on exploting 3gate voidray allins,4gate PvP and N-gate timings rly a true champion who can deny that.. Seriously don't try to defend this guy cuz he is a joke and you spit in the face in all those who play day after day to improve their game by having a better macro,micro,strat then to exploit some retard timing attacks. Rofl, you don't think MC practices hard day after day? MVP dropped down to code A too, does that make him bad? | ||
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Severus_
759 Posts
On September 08 2011 06:33 Olinim wrote: Wow, I've never seen such a large concentration of horrible troll and abject stupidity in one post. Grats on your epic failure on every conceivable level. I'm not a troll thats just my opinion...if you think its wrong ok but you can't deny that after he got droped out by Polt in up&down he hasn't won anything. | ||
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HeroHenry
United States1723 Posts
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Olinim
4044 Posts
On September 08 2011 06:37 Severus_ wrote: I'm not a troll thats just my opinion...if you think its wrong ok but you can't deny that after he got droped out by Polt in up&down he hasn't won anything. Starswar tournament? 2nd at IEM and NASL? 3rd at homestory cup and MLG? Highest winrate and best performing protoss even since his slump? Yeah he is just bad at this game. trolllllllllllllll | ||
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Wudu
Austria127 Posts
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Joseph123
Bulgaria1144 Posts
On September 08 2011 06:28 Severus_ wrote: Are you joking ? The only reason he won those champs because he exploited the new things in the game people catch on with his retarted timing attacks and he has nothing. He can't macro to save his life most of his games are gambles when was the last time you watched some of his games and said LOL that some solid play ? Because every time i watch Nestea,Bomber,MVP and some of the others players (Losira,Puzzle,Bomber,DGR) in their specific matchups i'm amazed and think to myself this is unbeatble and don't tell me recent MC vs Puma 2 finals because the NASL one all his wins were allins and the terminus game was fail 4gate into cuting probes for robo. The IEM one was complete roflstomp from PuMa....even in his games in Code S were jokes vs MVP he scouts tank,marine hard contain and insted of droping gates and rolling it with better upgrades and gateway pumps he gets colo from 2 base that cuts his gateway count and he gets contained to his death. Even in team league he is a joke and fails his team the game vs Revival on terminus proves that how he always gambe and gets roflstomped. Yes he got 2 wins from Taeja and Ryung who are medicore in their TvP at best Taeja didn't scout any tech in his game and Ryung is a T sniper. About his GSL wins well grats on exploting 3gate voidray allins,4gate PvP and N-gate timings rly a true champion who can deny that.. Seriously don't try to defend this guy cuz he is a joke and you spit in the face in all those who play day after day to improve their game by having a better macro,micro,strat then to exploit some retard timing attacks. Wow you are a disgrace to this forum. | ||
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babylon
8765 Posts
On September 08 2011 06:36 MechKing wrote: Rofl, you don't think MC practices hard day after day? MVP dropped down to code A too, does that make him bad? I guess the difference is that MVP dropped to Code A because he was shaky in TvP, which everyone knew was his weakest match-up. MC, however, is dropping down to Code A after having drawn a decent pool with three Zergs (two of whom are kind of irrelevant) and one Terran, and his best match-up is supposed to be PvZ. He was supposed to put up a fight against Losira but just got completely rolled. Also, whoever said that Taeja's bad at TvP isn't keeping up with the scene. His TvP is at least as strong as his TvT, and he rarely 1/1/1s from what I can tell. | ||
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Venax
119 Posts
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Asymmetric
Scotland1309 Posts
We gained Leenock and DRG, kept Losira in exchange for losing Kyrix. Shame Checkprime couldn't squeeze in and Violet's got a fight on his hands tomorrow but it's pretty solid results for the most part. | ||
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JKira
Canada1002 Posts
On September 08 2011 05:07 ppshchik wrote: Terran is the most mechanically demanding race in the high level if you have MVP's or MMA's mechanics. Even mechanical Zergs like IdrA or Losira just max out, attack, remax, attack etc....it's boring. Multitasking > Macro in Sc2 since passive macro is nothing special with MBS imo.... Western SC2 fans + internet anonymity = Fair Weather Fans. Look at how Jinro's fanbase changed when he got into 2 Ro4's and when he fell down to Code A/B I don't think Terran is necessarily the most mechanically DEMANDING race at the highest level, just look at Sjow and Goody. I think Terran has the most mechanical POTENTIAL at the highest level, which is why in Korea Terran dominates and internationally they're still pretty even with the other races. What I mean is that Terran is the race that benefits most from multipronged harass, since their units are extremely cost-effective in little groups of drops, and great micro. And since Terran macro has queuing, those who can macro on top of the other stuff arguably will never falter in production, whereas even the best Zergs and Protosses will miss larva injects and warpgate cycles, mainly because they have to look back at their bases if they wish to do that during battle. | ||
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Severus_
759 Posts
On September 08 2011 06:39 Olinim wrote: Starswar tournament? 2nd at IEM and NASL? 3rd at homestory cup and MLG? Highest winrate and best performing protoss even since his slump? Yeah he is just bad at this game. trolllllllllllllll Lol don't comepre those tours with the GSL.....and all those are not 1st places yeah he won the starwars thingy vs some dudes who never played vs KR metagame. You guys are just blind to what is happening and you just defend someone who you like ok thats fine but you will see that MinChul The suicide toss will disappear from the top spots not because the game is imba or something its because he fails to run with the other top dogs.Because he didn't improve at all this 1year of SC2 yes he knows some new builds his micro is good for SC2 level but he still has the same mindset and relays on what worked before if you compere him to lets say someone who had a simllar simallar play style like Polt for example he was 1/2basing terran BiTBYBIT style depending on his allins and timing attacks but look at him now he has 1champ he has legit macro and he is rly smart so look in that prespective and understand my point. I don't know what you are talking about Teaja his TvP beeing good he fails to scout tech switches and doesn't know when to attack at all so yes i think his tvp is medicore comepred to (PuMa,Bomber,MVP,Polt) . | ||
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QTIP.
United States2113 Posts
If you thought that post from Severus' was bad -- check out his blog! http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=258661 It's a fucking disgrace. | ||
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rareh
Portugal298 Posts
On September 08 2011 06:28 Severus_ wrote: Are you joking ? The only reason he won those champs because he exploited the new things in the game people catch on with his retarted timing attacks and he has nothing. He can't macro to save his life most of his games are gambles when was the last time you watched some of his games and said LOL that some solid play ? Because every time i watch Nestea,Bomber,MVP and some of the others players (Losira,Puzzle,Bomber,DGR) in their specific matchups i'm amazed and think to myself this is unbeatble and don't tell me recent MC vs Puma 2 finals because the NASL one all his wins were allins and the terminus game was fail 4gate into cuting probes for robo. The IEM one was complete roflstomp from PuMa....even in his games in Code S were jokes vs MVP he scouts tank,marine hard contain and insted of droping gates and rolling it with better upgrades and gateway pumps he gets colo from 2 base that cuts his gateway count and he gets contained to his death. Even in team league he is a joke and fails his team the game vs Revival on terminus proves that how he always gambe and gets roflstomped. Yes he got 2 wins from Taeja and Ryung who are medicore in their TvP at best Taeja didn't scout any tech in his game and Ryung is a T sniper. About his GSL wins well grats on exploting 3gate voidray allins,4gate PvP and N-gate timings rly a true champion who can deny that.. Seriously don't try to defend this guy cuz he is a joke and you spit in the face in all those who play day after day to improve their game by having a better macro,micro,strat then to exploit some retard timing attacks. Very true, but there are lots of blind fanboys so you are going to be hated for saying that. | ||
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