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On August 08 2011 19:55 Ocedic wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2011 19:50 itsjuspeter wrote:On August 08 2011 19:46 fant0m wrote:On August 08 2011 19:43 Ocedic wrote:On August 08 2011 19:40 itsjuspeter wrote:On August 08 2011 19:39 graNite wrote:On August 08 2011 19:26 Fyzar wrote:
1/1/1 incoming 100% Where is the 1.1.1 now? stop whining protoss, we can beat you without this 1base push too did we ever say you couldn't...? what are you trying to prove, i actually don't mind losing if it's a nice macro game with aggressive strategies like these. boost your ego somewhere else So you get to dictate the 'honorable way' an opponent beats you? Sadly a LOT of SC2 players feel that way. Especially Zerg (and by the way I play Z now, I switched races this summer). People like Psy, Destiny, and Idra think that anyone who comes with a push before 15 minutes isn't playing the game "properly." What am i dictating? I've read all your posts and you're just another cynical f**, I don't want to waste any more time than I already will be by responding to you Ocedic, I merely stated that the 1/1/1 is an extremely viable way to kill protoss but by no means the ONLY way, we have never stated that you need that to beat us. whether I feel it to be less of a day killer that I get cheesed out or outmacro'd is my own choice, stop reading too much into what people say and inciting negative feelings, you're scum. Yes, I do like to call out whiners for being whiners. And don't say 'you' as if you know who I am. I don't even play Terran, I play Random. I come here to watch and enjoy games but see scum like you derailing the thread about balance. That's why I call you out. You can cry about it if you want, but I won't stop until people like you go away.
well, everyone's here to enjoy games. but you're in denial that something such as a balance problem in fact exists. pretty much everyone else thinks that it does, and moreover there's evidence to support their claims. you, on the other hand, are simply saying (in your unpleasant way): "no you're wrong. i disagree."
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On August 08 2011 19:55 klops wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2011 19:53 gh0un wrote:On August 08 2011 19:50 zeru wrote:On August 08 2011 19:49 gh0un wrote:On August 08 2011 19:41 Beyonder wrote:On August 08 2011 19:40 Akhee wrote:
Im seeing this micro as so common
even my gold friends can do this o_o
Yeah but to do this while macroing, expanding, multi dropping.. Uhm... Not uhm... You cant do two things at once, you can just do them in quick succession. Multitasking doesnt mean that you can do multiple things at ONCE, it just means that you can do multiple things more or less at the same time without forgetting about them. If he is continously microing his units, there is no room for something else, unless he skips 1 second of micro for 1 second of macro --> this is multitasking. Humans arent really capable of real multitasking except for breathing and thinking at the same time (maybe while scratching their head, but thats it). You think pro terrans arent still macroing between stuttersteps? Im pretty sure they are. If you dont miss a single stutter step, then no. Show me a single game in which someone does a stutter step for an extended period of time (without missing a single stutter step), while building units at home. You wont find one. i don't have a reply on hand but i will plant the seed for you. look for FP VoD's from Nada. macroing in between stimmed marine/marauder shots is classic Nada.
Link to the vod (and exact time when it happens) or it didnt happen.
You have 0.57 seconds between each marine shot to issue a move command and another stop command (or however your preference is for stutter stepping).
As soon as you click something else, thats it for the perfect stutter step.
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On August 08 2011 19:57 xza wrote:
If DRG loses to inca's PvZ, drg will be sent to Andromeda for disgracing Earth
I'm not even kidding DRG losing is unacceptable don't even think about it
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On August 08 2011 19:56 Ocedic wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2011 19:55 HolyArrow wrote:On August 08 2011 19:53 Ocedic wrote:On August 08 2011 19:51 HolyArrow wrote:On August 08 2011 19:47 Ocedic wrote:On August 08 2011 19:45 HolyArrow wrote:On August 08 2011 19:40 Ocedic wrote:On August 08 2011 19:38 HolyArrow wrote:On August 08 2011 19:31 Ocedic wrote:On August 08 2011 19:26 HolyArrow wrote:
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Okay, so basically, you're calling upon historical precedent of a different, arguably better-designed game to justify telling pros to shut up and learn to play. You realize that 1-1-1 has been around for a year, right? It's not a hot new strategy that's taking people by surprise. People have had plenty of time to figure out good counters.
So then you are in favor of nerfing/buffing around flavor of the month builds? 1-1-1 has been around for a while but it only recently came back (it was gone for a few months.) I mean, did you watch the game? Taeja had 14 marines, 3 tanks and 2 bansshees against 3 stalkers and 3 sentries. You saying it's overpowered that the T force wins against 6 units? Might I recommend you start playing the novice maps, there are rocks that prevent rushes so you can play as greedy as you like. Your last statement is funny because you imply that I'm some terrible noob who needs novice maps, yet, a fast expansion (what I'm assuming your statement about being "greedy" is aimed at) is actually agreed upon by many good Toss players to be the best way to deal with 1-1-1. So who's the one who doesn't understand the game? Oh, and Tails had more than just 3 stalkers and 3 sentries, so maybe you're the one that needs to watch more carefully... Implying someone else's ignorance while simultaneously being ignorant yourself doesn't... really work. Hearsay isn't a good arugment, especially when you don't even cite your sources. 'Many good Toss players' agree with you? I can do the same thing, many good non-Protoss players disagree with you. Also, first you claim no counter to the strategy exists, now you say there is a way to deal with it. Make up your mind, balance whiner! Where did I claim that no counter exists? Strawman harder, dude. I feel like I've effectively communicated that there are counters, but they're not very consistent. I said right there in one of my posts embedded in that big quote tree: "For one thing, most people here don't think it's uncounterable, but just that the skill and effort that takes to counter it far outstrips the skill and effort needed to execute it." Read more carefully. I didn't cite my sources because I actually don't feel like putting that much effort into arguing with someone like you - this "hearsay" I talk about is just observing 1-1-1 discussion in LR threads. I could ask right here in this LR thread what experienced Protoss players think is a proper counter to 1-1-1, and I'm pretty sure that what they say would match up with what I'm claiming works. But I don't think that would convince you either, because then you'd play one of two cards: 1. There's no proof that the players in the LR thread are experienced Toss players 2. Players in an LR thread aren't enough numerically to constitute "many good Toss players". Thanks for countering your own arguments for me. So basically you admit you don't have an actual argument and thus don't back up your claims. Got it. Either cite your sources (waiting on these 'good Protoss' quotes) or don't make shit up. I'm not making shit up. I'm sitting here knowing that I'm right, laughing at how ignorant you are. This is one of those situations where I know something to be a truth, and I'm watching someone act as contrary and aggressive as possible, while crossing his arms telling me to prove that truth - but, your attitude makes me not care enough to bother proving anything to you, so I'm just sitting here, slightly annoyed but mostly amused by your sheer ignorance. Ah, good old "I'm actually laughing at you" Internet argument. You're still devoid of actual facts to back up anything you say. Good to know :D The facts are right here. You can go back to some 1-1-1 discussion early in this LR thread and they're right there. You're just too unpleasant for me to actually want to make the effort to go back and get those facts for you. I can ask right here, if you want: To any experienced Protoss players in this LR thread: What is, in your opinion, the best way to deal with a 1-1-1 all-in? Yeah you're wrong and still have zero facts to back your arguments up. Watching you resort to logical fallacies is delicious. Please, keep doing it :D
The amount of actual effort I put into making my arguments good is typically proportional to how I perceive the person I'm arguing with. It's a simple question of whether or not something is worth it.
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1000 bux inca does 0 dmg with this
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On August 08 2011 19:56 zeru wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2011 19:55 Akhee wrote:On August 08 2011 19:53 zeru wrote:On August 08 2011 19:52 Akhee wrote:On August 08 2011 19:50 zeru wrote:On August 08 2011 19:49 gh0un wrote:On August 08 2011 19:41 Beyonder wrote:On August 08 2011 19:40 Akhee wrote:
Im seeing this micro as so common
even my gold friends can do this o_o
Yeah but to do this while macroing, expanding, multi dropping.. Uhm... Not uhm... You cant do two things at once, you can just do them in quick succession. Multitasking doesnt mean that you can do multiple things at ONCE, it just means that you can do multiple things more or less at the same time without forgetting about them. If he is continously microing his units, there is no room for something else, unless he skips 1 second of micro for 1 second of macro --> this is multitasking. Humans arent really capable of real multitasking except for breathing and thinking at the same time (maybe while scratching their head, but thats it). You think pro terrans arent still macroing between stuttersteps? Im pretty sure they are. what he said is "ok i have 2 seconds to stop microing this battle so I will 6aaddaa7dd etc very fast, but not at the SAME time when we are seeing they micro battle I know what he said, and yes im pretty sure they are very capable of that. that's humanly impossible  No, just go watch some FPVODS from brood war pros. You are heavily underestimating some of these players.
they go back very fast, but they miss some seconds microing, that's why they do mistakes, if are just looking to the battle nothing bad can happen
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On August 08 2011 19:57 Sc2Null wrote:
and people complaining in a lr thread again..sighs
It's a LR thread, of course people are complaining 
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On August 08 2011 19:58 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2011 19:57 Drazerk wrote:Late LR start!  Dongraegu vs Inca  In the top left is Inca In the top right is Dongraegu
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Void on the way for inca getting a second starport ( He's on two bases ) Lair and a evo on the way for DRG who is also on two bases
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Voids and zealots going to harass
Infestation pit on the way
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Stop arguing with Ocedic. Regardless of who is right, he clearly wants the reactions you are giving him.
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wtf...is thebest playing?
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On August 08 2011 19:57 Drazerk wrote:Late LR start! Dongraegu vs Inca In the top left is Inca In the top right is Dongraegu
Hmm, someone was doing it earlier.
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Where is DRGs 3rd? So late.
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That was TheBest phoenix!
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On August 08 2011 19:59 KiNGxXx wrote:
TheBest phoenix control
Exactly my thoughts
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That phoenix loss is huge.
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EPT
