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Orpheusz
Australia210 Posts
On August 08 2011 19:17 Supamang wrote: is Taeja purposely giving him a chance? wtf was that about, why not focus the nexus? Because he'll have 1-1-1 to fall back on next game anyway. | ||
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Giriath
Sweden2412 Posts
On August 08 2011 19:17 zeru wrote: Not used every game, but usually once a series. Sometimes more, sometimes not at all. I'd say maybe 30-40% of all games. It depends on if the Terran is winning the series. If they are then they can do something else and still have the all-in to fall back on if they lose a set. Watch Taeja do it again if he loses this set. | ||
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Chezus
Netherlands427 Posts
On August 08 2011 19:17 Caesarion wrote: Actually.. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=250379¤tpage=All Awesome. Going to read the entire thing after the stream. | ||
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Medrea
10003 Posts
On August 08 2011 19:15 Ocedic wrote: What's with so much whining from Protoss in this thread? If the strategy was uncounterable then it would be used every game of every match at the highest levels. I think the main reason Terrans aren't using it every single game is because they don't want a bad reputation. Wins are nice but fans are better, as White-ra would say. Honestly? This 111 build has such a high winrate, and even if you scout it, even if you STOP it, your only even with terran. There is no reason not to 111 every game. | ||
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Midgetman101
United States825 Posts
On August 08 2011 19:16 Dfgj wrote: A build used since Beta with a hilarious winrate is too early? I love when people say it was that great during beta. It really wasn't that great because warp gate research was so much quicker. We're only seeing it work now due to the warp gate nerf. Whine moar plz | ||
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Akhee
Brazil811 Posts
I feel like going 1 gate -> FE -> robo -> colossi is the only way to hold it, I used to do it and it worked like 50%, when the push comes you have to let a contain and then you try to break contain with probes and stalkers/colossi, its very difficult anyway | ||
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Scribble
2077 Posts
On August 08 2011 19:16 Dfgj wrote: A build used since Beta with a hilarious winrate is too early? It's been around since beta, and yet protoss have had success since then. It's only been since recently that it exploded to the point where everybody is using it TvP. If it hasn't been used frequently up until very recently, then it doesn't matter how long it's been around because only now is it becoming a real problem for toss. | ||
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Dfgj
Singapore5922 Posts
On August 08 2011 19:17 zeru wrote: Not used every game, but usually once a series. Sometimes more, sometimes not at all. I'd say maybe 30-40% of all games. That's obvious enough, any build used every game will eventually be hard-countered from the start. You can't realistically do that in actual play though. | ||
Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On August 08 2011 19:17 zeru wrote: Not used every game, but usually once a series. Sometimes more, sometimes not at all. I'd say maybe 30-40% of all games. People are upset because if you look at the Race Winrates for the last month in Korea, ever since this build came back into the limelight TvP has a 61.2% Terran win rate. It isnt used in EVERY game, but it is more or less used in EVERY series at least once if not twice and almost every bo1. It has yet to fail in the up and downs for the last GSL or GSL July or August (including the preliminaries where it was used a ton) | ||
Beyonder
Netherlands15103 Posts
On August 08 2011 19:17 fant0m wrote: I missed the part where a T can instantly research cloak??? Yes VR loses to cloak, but we haven't seen any T even flirt with the idea of cloak tonight. It's not that hard to look at a tech lab on a starport. If it's green... get detection. That being said, this 1/1/1 build is really absurd. Thats because the terran always knows what is going on. They have superior scouting abilities. No need to get cloak, but the ability is 100% there and will be used IF the terran deems it necessary. And the VR deems it necessary, though you can also just make a viking and still asskick P. | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
11:45 Double drop for taeja | ||
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HQuality
2682 Posts
On August 08 2011 19:15 ogawdlulz wrote: This is definitely not about scouting. I can tell it's coming like 5 min into the game because I'm not a full retard and I do everything to counter it and still lose. it's just there's huge amount of pushes in sc2, and they are reaaally strong, even dimaga says it that's why in scbw u see 14cc's every second game, and in sc2 u better do mass bfh or 1-1-1 out of one base cause it's more effective here :/ hope HotS can change it | ||
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
On August 08 2011 19:16 Yew wrote: If you're talking about the 2 rax scv marine all in, that wasn't nearly as bad as this lol. Throughout the entirely of GSL3, did any Terran besides Jinro do anything else against Zerg ever? It totally was. I can say, though, that the answer isn't "get more of unit X"! I'm pretty sure it's been tried for all values of X | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
12:50 armour and robo on the way for tails Ghost academy for taeja | ||
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Dfgj
Singapore5922 Posts
On August 08 2011 19:18 Scribble wrote: It's been around since beta, and yet protoss have had success since then. It's only been since recently that it exploded to the point where everybody is using it TvP. If it hasn't been used frequently up until very recently, then it doesn't matter how long it's been around because only now is it becoming a real problem for toss. The frequency is what's changed. This sort of attack has been winning games for ages, and no total solution has been found, which is ridiculous for a blind all-in that can be scouted long before it hits. | ||
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woob
United Kingdom1322 Posts
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chocopaw
2072 Posts
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monie
Sweden258 Posts
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jarod
Romania766 Posts
On August 08 2011 18:53 EchelonTee wrote: what ways did the protoss figure out to deal with that build back then? I'm not saying its impossible, but it seems to be quite vexing for protoss to deal with. is the solution 1 base play? I'd say that's sort of a devolution. I played against this a lot of times. If you know it is comming, ussualy gas first-> no expand then you have 3 solution at least.. Fast chargelots (you have time to do this with stalker after the siege-marine is done, all this in 2 base). Second would be 1 base colo with range, you stay on the ramp, warp some zealots donw and then sadwich. Third would be blink stalker with some zealots with templar for feedbacks on PDD and banshee, since they don't have so early cloack with this build. Imortal ussualy never works.. | ||
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before this build starts to get too popular on ladder. 
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