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On July 31 2011 16:39 udgnim wrote:
I'm assuming this, but I'm pretty sure DRG knows how to deal with BFHs
TSL_Alive was already showing BFH builds at NASL. SlayerS is getting a lot of credit for BFHs in TvZ atm, but I wouldn't be surprised if Korean Zergs have seen it a decent amount of times and know how to deal with it.
It's technically nothing new.
What is new, though, is some of the timings. It looks a whole lot like a 1 Rax expand until a point where it suddenly becomes this build. There's a timing somewhere around 4m-5m where you'd have to scout to know what is coming, before it's too late.
This ambiguity is what's big and new. It's going to require a new set of timings to check for.
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On July 31 2011 16:50 MrSexington wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 16:46 Namkung wrote:On July 31 2011 16:39 Serpico wrote:On July 31 2011 16:38 toadyy wrote:
EGs bootcamp was time well spent... Are you saying someone should produce noticeable results after a few weeks of practice against top tier players? That's nonsensical. Who are you even refering to when you say "top" players? lol At this point, I wouldn't even consider idra to be a top player when compared to the Koreans and no one else in EG really is even close to being considered a top player So... IdrA was the top foreigner at the last MLG and he and HuK were the only foreigners to be in the top 8 in pool play at this MLG. And you still won't consider him to be a top player compared to the Koreans? I guess that's fair enough, but what about the non-Koreans? You're essentially saying that none of the non-Koreans are top players. And from there, you somehow link that to a bad EG boot camp. Weird.
You even read what I was quoting?
Let me not even get into this argument of idra being a top player or not and just say for the sake of the argument he is.
What I was saying was that EG has no other members that are considered to be top players . I suppose you could add Puma to the list now but as far as I am concerned, he was not involved with this whole "bootcamp" thing yet.
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I dont get why  iNcontroL is seeded.
Have a look at his TLPD he's a horrible player and hasnt won a match at anehaim.
I dont think he's even embarassed about his results.
You could always see him saying in interviews that the opponent was so good since BW
why shouldnt he shape up
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koreans are just too good ^_- glad to see boxer doing so well <3 slasher is gonna have a field day after this mlg i guess
just because eg had a bootcamp it doesnt mean it has to be effecient. from what i heard on some show they did when idra / incontrol were on they had to travel in that time and had some sponsor shit too. so a bootcamp were u r not focusing 100% on sc2 isnt worth much
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On July 31 2011 16:57 Benga wrote:I dont get why iNcontroL is seeded. Have a look at his TLPD he's a horrible player and hasnt won a match at anehaim.
He is seeded because he placed 4th at Dallas, which gave him a lot of rank points.
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On July 31 2011 16:55 Namkung wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 16:50 MrSexington wrote:On July 31 2011 16:46 Namkung wrote:On July 31 2011 16:39 Serpico wrote:On July 31 2011 16:38 toadyy wrote:
EGs bootcamp was time well spent... Are you saying someone should produce noticeable results after a few weeks of practice against top tier players? That's nonsensical. Who are you even refering to when you say "top" players? lol At this point, I wouldn't even consider idra to be a top player when compared to the Koreans and no one else in EG really is even close to being considered a top player So... IdrA was the top foreigner at the last MLG and he and HuK were the only foreigners to be in the top 8 in pool play at this MLG. And you still won't consider him to be a top player compared to the Koreans? I guess that's fair enough, but what about the non-Koreans? You're essentially saying that none of the non-Koreans are top players. And from there, you somehow link that to a bad EG boot camp. Weird. You even read what I was quoting? Let me not even get into this argument of idra being a top player or not and just say for the sake of the argument he is. What I was saying was that EG has no other members that are considered to be top players . I suppose you could add Puma to the list now but as far as I am concerned, he was not involved with this whole "bootcamp" thing yet.
It is a disgrace to the words "boot camp" to relate what they did to it
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On July 31 2011 16:54 Mordiford wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 16:52 Hierarch wrote:On July 31 2011 16:49 Mordiford wrote:On July 31 2011 16:46 Namkung wrote:On July 31 2011 16:39 Serpico wrote:On July 31 2011 16:38 toadyy wrote:
EGs bootcamp was time well spent... Are you saying someone should produce noticeable results after a few weeks of practice against top tier players? That's nonsensical. Who are you even refering to when you say "top" players? lol At this point, I wouldn't even consider idra to be a top player when compared to the Koreans and no one else in EG really is even close to being considered a top player As much as I may not like him, I still think IdrA is a "top" player, he manages to remain competitive at a high level. But yeah, no one else on EG is a top player to be honest, if the other EG guys dropped out, I think it'd be quite unlikely for any of them to pull a Tyler and make it back in. DeMusliM is quite good, he's shown very good TvT and TvP I was talking more about the ones currently in pool play, Machine and inControl, but even DeMuslim has had a pretty hard time in the open bracket, it's really rough and I think it's sad that the format is unfair to them when many of them could probably take out the weak links of the pools.
GSL's Code S took a very long time to get the weak players cycled out, like check, thebest, hyperdub, rainbow etc... It just takes time, the final tournament will be the most high quality due to the amount of time and weeding of players occur before it.
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On July 31 2011 16:55 Namkung wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 16:50 MrSexington wrote:On July 31 2011 16:46 Namkung wrote:On July 31 2011 16:39 Serpico wrote:On July 31 2011 16:38 toadyy wrote:
EGs bootcamp was time well spent... Are you saying someone should produce noticeable results after a few weeks of practice against top tier players? That's nonsensical. Who are you even refering to when you say "top" players? lol At this point, I wouldn't even consider idra to be a top player when compared to the Koreans and no one else in EG really is even close to being considered a top player So... IdrA was the top foreigner at the last MLG and he and HuK were the only foreigners to be in the top 8 in pool play at this MLG. And you still won't consider him to be a top player compared to the Koreans? I guess that's fair enough, but what about the non-Koreans? You're essentially saying that none of the non-Koreans are top players. And from there, you somehow link that to a bad EG boot camp. Weird. You even read what I was quoting? Let me not even get into this argument of idra being a top player or not and just say for the sake of the argument he is. What I was saying was that EG has no other members that are considered to be top players . I suppose you could add Puma to the list now but as far as I am concerned, he was not involved with this whole "bootcamp" thing yet.
I already edited my post a couple minutes ago. I thought you were also the original poster in the original quote talking about their book camp. Ignore my post.
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On July 31 2011 16:57 Benga wrote:I dont get why iNcontroL is seeded. Have a look at his TLPD he's a horrible player and hasnt won a match at anehaim. I dont think he's even embarassed about his results. You could always see him saying in interviews that the opponent was so good since BW why shouldnt he shape up
MLG rewards players who place high in MLG events.
iNcontrol did very well in a past event.
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On July 31 2011 16:57 Benga wrote:I dont get why iNcontroL is seeded. Have a look at his TLPD he's a horrible player and hasnt won a match at anehaim. I dont think he's even embarassed about his results. You could always see him saying in interviews that the opponent was so good since BW why shouldnt he shape up
So beating Choya dosen't count as winning a match?
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I just never understood how eg one of the most powerful esports teams ever simple grandfathered their brood war team to be their starcraft 2 team. I can't believe its still the same team when literally nobody but idra has shown any results after a year of the game being out. I always though eg had the highest standards but seems they don't care or are extremely patient. I can't believe there hasn't been a lineup shake up after a year in their now flagship game when nobody is succeeding.
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On July 31 2011 17:07 blooblooblahblah wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 16:57 Benga wrote:I dont get why iNcontroL is seeded. Have a look at his TLPD he's a horrible player and hasnt won a match at anehaim. I dont think he's even embarassed about his results. You could always see him saying in interviews that the opponent was so good since BW why shouldnt he shape up So beating Choya dosen't count as winning a match?
Tyler was the one that beat Choya.
Also, I just noticed that Rain is 5 - 0. Kid must have improved immensely after leaving GSL.
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Anyone else notice how amazingly consistent Haypro & Slush are at MLG? They never seem to be a risk to win it, but they're always just "middle of the road" for the Elite players. And both are capable of making it to Top 12.
It's just to interesting how different of an environment a big LAN is compared to Online. Some players just handle it so much better.
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On July 31 2011 17:09 NuclearJudas wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 17:07 blooblooblahblah wrote:On July 31 2011 16:57 Benga wrote:I dont get why iNcontroL is seeded. Have a look at his TLPD he's a horrible player and hasnt won a match at anehaim. I dont think he's even embarassed about his results. You could always see him saying in interviews that the opponent was so good since BW why shouldnt he shape up So beating Choya dosen't count as winning a match? Tyler was the one that beat Choya. Also, I just noticed that Rain is 5 - 0. Kid must have improved immensely after leaving GSL.
@MLGSC2Scores Major League Gaming
8. InControl comes back from a 0-1 defecit to win his CLR2 series with FXO.Choya 2-1. #MLG
Incontrol also beat Choya.
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On July 31 2011 17:09 NuclearJudas wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 17:07 blooblooblahblah wrote:On July 31 2011 16:57 Benga wrote:I dont get why iNcontroL is seeded. Have a look at his TLPD he's a horrible player and hasnt won a match at anehaim. I dont think he's even embarassed about his results. You could always see him saying in interviews that the opponent was so good since BW why shouldnt he shape up So beating Choya dosen't count as winning a match? Tyler was the one that beat Choya. Also, I just noticed that Rain is 5 - 0. Kid must have improved immensely after leaving GSL.
So did iNcontroL
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Anaheim/ChampionshipBracket
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On July 31 2011 17:01 Hierarch wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 16:54 Mordiford wrote:On July 31 2011 16:52 Hierarch wrote:On July 31 2011 16:49 Mordiford wrote:On July 31 2011 16:46 Namkung wrote:On July 31 2011 16:39 Serpico wrote:On July 31 2011 16:38 toadyy wrote:
EGs bootcamp was time well spent... Are you saying someone should produce noticeable results after a few weeks of practice against top tier players? That's nonsensical. Who are you even refering to when you say "top" players? lol At this point, I wouldn't even consider idra to be a top player when compared to the Koreans and no one else in EG really is even close to being considered a top player As much as I may not like him, I still think IdrA is a "top" player, he manages to remain competitive at a high level. But yeah, no one else on EG is a top player to be honest, if the other EG guys dropped out, I think it'd be quite unlikely for any of them to pull a Tyler and make it back in. DeMusliM is quite good, he's shown very good TvT and TvP I was talking more about the ones currently in pool play, Machine and inControl, but even DeMuslim has had a pretty hard time in the open bracket, it's really rough and I think it's sad that the format is unfair to them when many of them could probably take out the weak links of the pools. GSL's Code S took a very long time to get the weak players cycled out, like check, thebest, hyperdub, rainbow etc... It just takes time, the final tournament will be the most high quality due to the amount of time and weeding of players occur before it.
I disagree. Let me use White-Ra as an example. In order to qualify for pool play in MLG Raleigh he has to place at least 6th, and even then he's not guaranteed a spot. To end up top 6, at least one of the Korean players will have to drop a series. If White-Ra doesn't end up at least 6th he will once again have to go through the stacked open bracket in Raleigh.
I can understand that they want to reward people who frequently take part in MLG tournaments, but
at the moment it's just too hard to place high enough to even earn rank points while the players seeded in the pools earn points even if they lose every match they play.
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On July 31 2011 17:09 NuclearJudas wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 17:07 blooblooblahblah wrote:On July 31 2011 16:57 Benga wrote:I dont get why iNcontroL is seeded. Have a look at his TLPD he's a horrible player and hasnt won a match at anehaim. I dont think he's even embarassed about his results. You could always see him saying in interviews that the opponent was so good since BW why shouldnt he shape up So beating Choya dosen't count as winning a match? Tyler was the one that beat Choya. Also, I just noticed that Rain is 5 - 0. Kid must have improved immensely after leaving GSL.
Tyler beat Choya in the Open Bracket. Incontrol beat Choya in the Championship Bracket, 2-1 (last round of the night).
And, yes, Rain is actually playing better than I've seen him play since GSL Open Season 2.
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PvP doesn't count.
mother of all coin flips
TvT and ZvZ for the most part, reward the better player.
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On July 31 2011 17:09 NuclearJudas wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 17:07 blooblooblahblah wrote:On July 31 2011 16:57 Benga wrote:I dont get why iNcontroL is seeded. Have a look at his TLPD he's a horrible player and hasnt won a match at anehaim. I dont think he's even embarassed about his results. You could always see him saying in interviews that the opponent was so good since BW why shouldnt he shape up So beating Choya dosen't count as winning a match? Tyler was the one that beat Choya. Also, I just noticed that Rain is 5 - 0. Kid must have improved immensely after leaving GSL.
iNcontrol (also?) beat Choya: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Anaheim/ChampionshipBracket
He knocked Choya out of the tournament.
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On July 31 2011 17:11 DizzyDrone wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 17:01 Hierarch wrote:On July 31 2011 16:54 Mordiford wrote:On July 31 2011 16:52 Hierarch wrote:On July 31 2011 16:49 Mordiford wrote:On July 31 2011 16:46 Namkung wrote:On July 31 2011 16:39 Serpico wrote:On July 31 2011 16:38 toadyy wrote:
EGs bootcamp was time well spent... Are you saying someone should produce noticeable results after a few weeks of practice against top tier players? That's nonsensical. Who are you even refering to when you say "top" players? lol At this point, I wouldn't even consider idra to be a top player when compared to the Koreans and no one else in EG really is even close to being considered a top player As much as I may not like him, I still think IdrA is a "top" player, he manages to remain competitive at a high level. But yeah, no one else on EG is a top player to be honest, if the other EG guys dropped out, I think it'd be quite unlikely for any of them to pull a Tyler and make it back in. DeMusliM is quite good, he's shown very good TvT and TvP I was talking more about the ones currently in pool play, Machine and inControl, but even DeMuslim has had a pretty hard time in the open bracket, it's really rough and I think it's sad that the format is unfair to them when many of them could probably take out the weak links of the pools. GSL's Code S took a very long time to get the weak players cycled out, like check, thebest, hyperdub, rainbow etc... It just takes time, the final tournament will be the most high quality due to the amount of time and weeding of players occur before it. I disagree. Let me use White-Ra as an example. In order to qualify for pool play in MLG Raleigh he has to place at least 6th, and even then he's not guaranteed a spot. To end up top 6, at least one of the Korean players will have to drop a series. If White-Ra doesn't make it to top 6 he will once again have to go through the stacked open bracket in Raleigh. I can understand that they want to reward people who frequently take part in MLG tournaments, but at the moment it's just too hard to place high enough to even earn rank points while the players seeded in the pools earn points even if they lose every match they play.
The real problem with the Rank Points system right now is that they're importing 4 Koreans each LAN that are pretty much assured a Top 16 finish. That's really eating up (and preventing knocking off) the weaker players in the Pools.
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