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On July 31 2011 16:06 iNcontroL wrote:
Sorry I didn't do well guys but who in my group am I supposed to be ashamed to lose to? I've beaten all of them before and even in events (cruncher at nasl) but today they got the best of me. Tomorrow I play more and will do my best. The next tourney I will do the same. You wanna hate me for that go ahead. Cya at Raleigh
Don't listen to the haters man, just keep doing what you do.
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On July 31 2011 17:14 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 17:11 DizzyDrone wrote:On July 31 2011 17:01 Hierarch wrote:On July 31 2011 16:54 Mordiford wrote:On July 31 2011 16:52 Hierarch wrote:On July 31 2011 16:49 Mordiford wrote:On July 31 2011 16:46 Namkung wrote:On July 31 2011 16:39 Serpico wrote:On July 31 2011 16:38 toadyy wrote:
EGs bootcamp was time well spent... Are you saying someone should produce noticeable results after a few weeks of practice against top tier players? That's nonsensical. Who are you even refering to when you say "top" players? lol At this point, I wouldn't even consider idra to be a top player when compared to the Koreans and no one else in EG really is even close to being considered a top player As much as I may not like him, I still think IdrA is a "top" player, he manages to remain competitive at a high level. But yeah, no one else on EG is a top player to be honest, if the other EG guys dropped out, I think it'd be quite unlikely for any of them to pull a Tyler and make it back in. DeMusliM is quite good, he's shown very good TvT and TvP I was talking more about the ones currently in pool play, Machine and inControl, but even DeMuslim has had a pretty hard time in the open bracket, it's really rough and I think it's sad that the format is unfair to them when many of them could probably take out the weak links of the pools. GSL's Code S took a very long time to get the weak players cycled out, like check, thebest, hyperdub, rainbow etc... It just takes time, the final tournament will be the most high quality due to the amount of time and weeding of players occur before it. I disagree. Let me use White-Ra as an example. In order to qualify for pool play in MLG Raleigh he has to place at least 6th, and even then he's not guaranteed a spot. To end up top 6, at least one of the Korean players will have to drop a series. If White-Ra doesn't make it to top 6 he will once again have to go through the stacked open bracket in Raleigh. I can understand that they want to reward people who frequently take part in MLG tournaments, but at the moment it's just too hard to place high enough to even earn rank points while the players seeded in the pools earn points even if they lose every match they play. The real problem with the Rank Points system right now is that they're importing 4 Koreans each LAN that are pretty much assured a Top 16 finish. That's really eating up (and preventing knocking off) the weaker players in the Pools.
That's clearly not the REAL problem. As an above poster said, if you are seeded from a previous tourney, you can lose EVERY game and still get points from the epic fail of a weekend.
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On July 31 2011 17:11 DizzyDrone wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 17:01 Hierarch wrote:On July 31 2011 16:54 Mordiford wrote:On July 31 2011 16:52 Hierarch wrote:On July 31 2011 16:49 Mordiford wrote:On July 31 2011 16:46 Namkung wrote:On July 31 2011 16:39 Serpico wrote:On July 31 2011 16:38 toadyy wrote:
EGs bootcamp was time well spent... Are you saying someone should produce noticeable results after a few weeks of practice against top tier players? That's nonsensical. Who are you even refering to when you say "top" players? lol At this point, I wouldn't even consider idra to be a top player when compared to the Koreans and no one else in EG really is even close to being considered a top player As much as I may not like him, I still think IdrA is a "top" player, he manages to remain competitive at a high level. But yeah, no one else on EG is a top player to be honest, if the other EG guys dropped out, I think it'd be quite unlikely for any of them to pull a Tyler and make it back in. DeMusliM is quite good, he's shown very good TvT and TvP I was talking more about the ones currently in pool play, Machine and inControl, but even DeMuslim has had a pretty hard time in the open bracket, it's really rough and I think it's sad that the format is unfair to them when many of them could probably take out the weak links of the pools. GSL's Code S took a very long time to get the weak players cycled out, like check, thebest, hyperdub, rainbow etc... It just takes time, the final tournament will be the most high quality due to the amount of time and weeding of players occur before it. I disagree. Let me use White-Ra as an example. In order to qualify for pool play in MLG Raleigh he has to place at least 6th, and even then he's not guaranteed a spot. To end up top 6, at least one of the Korean players will have to drop a series. If White-Ra doesn't end up at least 6th he will once again have to go through the stacked open bracket in Raleigh. I can understand that they want to reward people who frequently take part in MLG tournaments, but at the moment it's just too hard to place high enough to even earn rank points while the players seeded in the pools earn points even if they lose every match they play.
If someone makes it through code A and then doesn't pass his up/down group he has to go through the stacked code A tournament again. Also the qualifiers to get into code A are even more brutal, they're not even double elimination like MLG is. It's not a perfect system by any means, but it's not as bad as everyone seems to make it out to be.
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On July 31 2011 17:11 CellTech wrote:
PvP doesn't count.
mother of all coin flips
TvT and ZvZ for the most part, reward the better player.
That's a terrible argument. If PvP was a coinflip then all high level protoss would have roughly a 50% win-rate in PvP.
Either your argument is absurd or MC (among others) is playing with some really weird coins.
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On July 31 2011 17:15 RJGooner wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 16:06 iNcontroL wrote:
Sorry I didn't do well guys but who in my group am I supposed to be ashamed to lose to? I've beaten all of them before and even in events (cruncher at nasl) but today they got the best of me. Tomorrow I play more and will do my best. The next tourney I will do the same. You wanna hate me for that go ahead. Cya at Raleigh Don't listen to the haters man, just keep doing what you do.
Yeah, keep performing terribly. That'll show em!
User was temp banned for this post.
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i think it does deserve some looking into though, you cant have 2 tournaments where players have piss poor showing's and still be ranked for the next mlg no prob .. Its just lol..
Incontrol/machine/select all deserve to go.
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The negativity for incontrol is not entirely because of bad results, but more because of his absolute horrible behavior since NASL ended. His comment toward sundance in the prize money topic, his NASL exit interview, the way he behaved during the NASL finals, the way he responds to people online, etc.
When you try to act like Idra, you're going to get a lot of hate. Except Idra has better results than you, which compensates for that. If you don't like it this way, maybe it's time to shut your trap on the forums.
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On July 31 2011 17:17 Mordiford wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 17:15 RJGooner wrote:On July 31 2011 16:06 iNcontroL wrote:
Sorry I didn't do well guys but who in my group am I supposed to be ashamed to lose to? I've beaten all of them before and even in events (cruncher at nasl) but today they got the best of me. Tomorrow I play more and will do my best. The next tourney I will do the same. You wanna hate me for that go ahead. Cya at Raleigh Don't listen to the haters man, just keep doing what you do. Yeah, keep performing terribly. That'll show em! User was temp banned for this post.
More trolling?
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On July 31 2011 16:26 MrSexington wrote:Okay... went out to get some food after the event ended and I come back to find this... Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 16:08 DystopiaX wrote:On July 31 2011 16:06 iNcontroL wrote:
Sorry I didn't do well guys but who in my group am I supposed to be ashamed to lose to? I've beaten all of them before and even in events (cruncher at nasl) but today they got the best of me. Tomorrow I play more and will do my best. The next tourney I will do the same. You wanna hate me for that go ahead. Cya at Raleigh Some people are hating on your performance but others are just upset that the MLG allows a player to potentially lose every game in the tournament and still keep their slot, which seems monstrously unfair. People are actually hating on the system? I always figured the point of it all was to keep familiar faces in the tournament for people who follow multiple MLGs. It's the same in GSL with code S / code A. Both tournaments have systems that keep people at the top in the top. There seems to be much less criticism about the GSL. People are just hating on the player, not the system (for the most part).
Here's an original idea, let's try to make a format where the best players are seeded, not one where the same players are always seeded no matter how badly they play, just because, well, we know them..? I know, it sounds very odd.
Comparing it with GSL might be plausible if ranking points were reset after each MLG so you actually had to place top 16 to stay seeded. If GSL played by MLG rules there's no way fruitdealer could fall to code A, he would have way too many ranking points. Same with MKP. I don't think the GSL format is perfect, but it's WAY better than MLG's.
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On July 31 2011 17:15 CellTech wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 17:14 Taf the Ghost wrote:On July 31 2011 17:11 DizzyDrone wrote:On July 31 2011 17:01 Hierarch wrote:On July 31 2011 16:54 Mordiford wrote:On July 31 2011 16:52 Hierarch wrote:On July 31 2011 16:49 Mordiford wrote:On July 31 2011 16:46 Namkung wrote:On July 31 2011 16:39 Serpico wrote:On July 31 2011 16:38 toadyy wrote:
EGs bootcamp was time well spent... Are you saying someone should produce noticeable results after a few weeks of practice against top tier players? That's nonsensical. Who are you even refering to when you say "top" players? lol At this point, I wouldn't even consider idra to be a top player when compared to the Koreans and no one else in EG really is even close to being considered a top player As much as I may not like him, I still think IdrA is a "top" player, he manages to remain competitive at a high level. But yeah, no one else on EG is a top player to be honest, if the other EG guys dropped out, I think it'd be quite unlikely for any of them to pull a Tyler and make it back in. DeMusliM is quite good, he's shown very good TvT and TvP I was talking more about the ones currently in pool play, Machine and inControl, but even DeMuslim has had a pretty hard time in the open bracket, it's really rough and I think it's sad that the format is unfair to them when many of them could probably take out the weak links of the pools. GSL's Code S took a very long time to get the weak players cycled out, like check, thebest, hyperdub, rainbow etc... It just takes time, the final tournament will be the most high quality due to the amount of time and weeding of players occur before it. I disagree. Let me use White-Ra as an example. In order to qualify for pool play in MLG Raleigh he has to place at least 6th, and even then he's not guaranteed a spot. To end up top 6, at least one of the Korean players will have to drop a series. If White-Ra doesn't make it to top 6 he will once again have to go through the stacked open bracket in Raleigh. I can understand that they want to reward people who frequently take part in MLG tournaments, but at the moment it's just too hard to place high enough to even earn rank points while the players seeded in the pools earn points even if they lose every match they play. The real problem with the Rank Points system right now is that they're importing 4 Koreans each LAN that are pretty much assured a Top 16 finish. That's really eating up (and preventing knocking off) the weaker players in the Pools. That's clearly not the REAL problem. As an above poster said, if you are seeded from a previous tourney, you can lose EVERY game and still get points from the epic fail of a weekend.
It's kind of intended to be that way. They don't want to drop a good player out of Pools (which is the big draw for the viewers) if you get food poisoning the night before and just completely bomb. It should, however, drop you out if you place badly 2 in a row. This would happen if a huge chunk of points wasn't going to 4 players that won't be back/don't effect the next one. The players that bomb out their pools will still get a limited amount of points, but the new players that came in from the Open Brackets would more than likely knock them out of the pool. But the Koreans ate up a huge chunk of points that'd have been assigned to someone else.
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On July 31 2011 17:17 Mordiford wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 17:15 RJGooner wrote:On July 31 2011 16:06 iNcontroL wrote:
Sorry I didn't do well guys but who in my group am I supposed to be ashamed to lose to? I've beaten all of them before and even in events (cruncher at nasl) but today they got the best of me. Tomorrow I play more and will do my best. The next tourney I will do the same. You wanna hate me for that go ahead. Cya at Raleigh Don't listen to the haters man, just keep doing what you do. Yeah, keep performing terribly. That'll show em!
No need to be a jerk about it. Yea he didn't do well in pool play but he beat Choya and he has a real chance to do something in the championship bracket.
InControl is a good player, he's just had a bad tournament. Look at his play in NASL, he beat players like Ensnare, Cruncher, QXC, and even White-Ra. I have no doubt in my mind that InControl is a very solid player.
He also has fantastic shades, in other news.
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On July 31 2011 17:10 Tuba wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 17:09 NuclearJudas wrote:On July 31 2011 17:07 blooblooblahblah wrote:On July 31 2011 16:57 Benga wrote:I dont get why  iNcontroL is seeded. Have a look at his TLPD he's a horrible player and hasnt won a match at anehaim. I dont think he's even embarassed about his results. You could always see him saying in interviews that the opponent was so good since BW why shouldnt he shape up So beating Choya dosen't count as winning a match? Tyler was the one that beat Choya. Also, I just noticed that Rain is 5 - 0. Kid must have improved immensely after leaving GSL. @MLGSC2Scores Major League Gaming 8. InControl comes back from a 0-1 defecit to win his CLR2 series with FXO.Choya 2-1. #MLG Incontrol also beat Choya.
Sorry, my bad.
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On July 31 2011 17:15 Hierarch wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 17:11 DizzyDrone wrote:
I disagree. Let me use White-Ra as an example. In order to qualify for pool play in MLG Raleigh he has to place at least 6th, and even then he's not guaranteed a spot. To end up top 6, at least one of the Korean players will have to drop a series. If White-Ra doesn't end up at least 6th he will once again have to go through the stacked open bracket in Raleigh.
I can understand that they want to reward people who frequently take part in MLG tournaments, but
at the moment it's just too hard to place high enough to even earn rank points while the players seeded in the pools earn points even if they lose every match they play. If someone makes it through code A and then doesn't pass his up/down group he has to go through the stacked code A tournament again. Also the qualifiers to get into code A are even more brutal, they're not even double elimination like MLG is. It's not a perfect system by any means, but it's not as bad as everyone seems to make it out to be.
If you lose every match in code S you won't be there next season. If you win every match in code A you are assured a spot in the up/down matches and have a good chance at getting into code S. Imagine BitByBit still being in code S because he placed relatively high a few seasons ago. Imagine MVP being stuck in code A because his second place finish wasn't enough. That's essentially what's happening now.
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On July 31 2011 17:17 Mordiford wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 17:15 RJGooner wrote:On July 31 2011 16:06 iNcontroL wrote:
Sorry I didn't do well guys but who in my group am I supposed to be ashamed to lose to? I've beaten all of them before and even in events (cruncher at nasl) but today they got the best of me. Tomorrow I play more and will do my best. The next tourney I will do the same. You wanna hate me for that go ahead. Cya at Raleigh Don't listen to the haters man, just keep doing what you do. Yeah, keep performing terribly. That'll show em! User was temp banned for this post.
Well deserved ban. Anyone can have a bad day, he's just hating on you because he probably can't get past Silver league or something lol
+ Show Spoiler +Congrats on beating Choya today though ^^
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I did expect korean domination, but not this bad. In pool play the seven korean-style traiened players did not drop a single series, especially for Boxer and Rain, I find this pretty surprsing. At least they dropped some maps, at least that is a start.
The Top 30-40 korean players are cleary at least one tier above everything the rest of the world has to offer.
Still, if you want to see light at the end of the tunnel, at least 2nd tier koreans are not yet far and away better, at least Choya inro and Alicia could be eliminated. Yeah, they are a coach, a demi-foreigner and were unlucky with PvP/extended series, but they can be beaten, and that is the point that matters. So not every hope is lost in foreigner land.
And I am very impressed with White-Ra. What a strong run through the loser bracket all the way to the top24. What an impressive showing after this unfortunate DQ. He still has his magic 
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On July 31 2011 17:30 Malinor wrote:I did expect korean domination, but not this bad. In pool play the seven korean-style traiened players did not drop a single series, especially for Boxer and Rain, I find this pretty surprsing. At least they dropped some maps, at least that is a start. The Top 30-40 korean players are cleary at least one tier above everything the rest of the world has to offer. Still, if you want to see light at the end of the tunnel, at least 2nd tier koreans are not yet far and away better, at least Choya inro and Alicia could be eliminated. Yeah, they are a coach, a demi-foreigner and were unlucky with PvP/extended series, but they can be beaten, and that is the point that matters. So not every hope is lost in foreigner land. And I am very impressed with White-Ra. What a strong run through the loser bracket all the way to the top24. What an impressive showing after this unfortunate DQ. He still has his magic
White-Ra has special tactics magic lol such a sicc Protoss :D
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On July 31 2011 17:30 DizzyDrone wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 17:15 Hierarch wrote:On July 31 2011 17:11 DizzyDrone wrote:
I disagree. Let me use White-Ra as an example. In order to qualify for pool play in MLG Raleigh he has to place at least 6th, and even then he's not guaranteed a spot. To end up top 6, at least one of the Korean players will have to drop a series. If White-Ra doesn't end up at least 6th he will once again have to go through the stacked open bracket in Raleigh.
I can understand that they want to reward people who frequently take part in MLG tournaments, but
at the moment it's just too hard to place high enough to even earn rank points while the players seeded in the pools earn points even if they lose every match they play. If someone makes it through code A and then doesn't pass his up/down group he has to go through the stacked code A tournament again. Also the qualifiers to get into code A are even more brutal, they're not even double elimination like MLG is. It's not a perfect system by any means, but it's not as bad as everyone seems to make it out to be. If you lose every match in code S you won't be there next season. If you win every match in code A you are assured a spot in the up/down matches and have a good chance at getting not code S. Imagine BitByBit still being in code S because he placed relatively high a few seasons ago. Imagine MVP being stuck in code A because his second place finish wasn't enough. That's essentially what's happening now.
If you equate being seeded in groups to code S, then the fundamental difference is that somebody could lose every match at one MLG and still be seeded next time. Like you said, you can't do that in code S.
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The story line of this MLG feels like a battle between DRG and the SlayerS terrans. Both are in Code B and are Code S level players wanting that spot. DRG said he was training mostly for the top korean terrans for this tournament, and the SlayerS terrans have come with this new style almost certainly built to beat DRG. It is a radically different style, so it will be hard to find the optimal way to combat it in such a short amount of time.
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On July 31 2011 17:35 Maghetti wrote:
The story line of this MLG feels like a battle between DRG and the SlayerS terrans. Both are in Code B and are Code S level players wanting that spot. DRG said he was training mostly for the top korean terrans for this tournament, and the SlayerS terrans have come with this new style almost certainly built to beat DRG. It is a radically different style, so it will be hard to find the optimal way to combat it in such a short amount of time.
Ahahah now that you mention it ... DRG vs the entire Terran race and their new style to defeat him. Hope he works some magic and shows us a 4-3 (either way) grand finals with one of them.
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On July 31 2011 17:35 Maghetti wrote:
The story line of this MLG feels like a battle between DRG and the SlayerS terrans. Both are in Code B and are Code S level players wanting that spot. DRG said he was training mostly for the top korean terrans for this tournament, and the SlayerS terrans have come with this new style almost certainly built to beat DRG. It is a radically different style, so it will be hard to find the optimal way to combat it in such a short amount of time.
You sir should be in charge of HYPE!!!
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