EPTMLG Anaheim Day 2 RED Live Report Thread - Page 601
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ViperPL
Poland1775 Posts
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On July 31 2011 16:35 Taf the Ghost wrote: The SlayerS TvZ style was definitely designed for DRG. After he 3-killed them in GSTL, going through Boxer, Ganzi & MMA (in that order). They've definitely spent some time coming up with a brutal, brutal build. If DRG has a chance to watch any of those (or had someone watching and sending along information), he probably has a chance. The style is going to require massive turtling. It's pretty much designed to prevent DRG's counter-zergling into Zergling/Muta play. The thing is that everyone they've used it against plays a really greedy/macro style play, getting nothing but lings and maybe 4 roaches when the push comes. DRG plays alot more aggressive and gets faster tech, mutas and lots of lings/blings can take it out. Remember a big strength is the elevator play- landing a few marines up while letting the BFH attack from below- a muta attack from behind and lings/blings to follow could take taht out easy, or sending a large numbers of lings to counterattack could win easy- you leave like 2 helions and 8 marines behind, something 16ish lings can take. Also consider that none of the zergs got creep spread all the way aroudn their ledge, which is doable. If they do that slow blings and fast lings can get to the bottom of that elevator drop much more quickly. | ||
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toadyy
United Kingdom179 Posts
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udgnim
United States8024 Posts
TSL_Alive was already showing BFH builds at NASL. SlayerS is getting a lot of credit for BFHs in TvZ atm, but I wouldn't be surprised if Korean Zergs have seen it a decent amount of times and know how to deal with it. | ||
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Serpico
4285 Posts
On July 31 2011 16:38 toadyy wrote: EGs bootcamp was time well spent... Are you saying someone should produce noticeable results after a few weeks of practice against top tier players? That's nonsensical. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On July 31 2011 16:25 DizzyDrone wrote: Ran the numbers to check. Assuming no Koreans take a slot and all foreigners play at Raleigh, Socke is 13, Sheth is 14, Machine is 15 and Drewbie is 16. Machine and Drewbie are out, and have to hope Tyler, Cruncher, WBC and White-Ra don't do well tomorrow. Socke and Sheth still have their fates in their own hands. In order to pass Machine and Drewbie in points, Tyler needs 2 wins (Cruncher and Haypro), Cruncher needs 4 wins (Tyler, Haypro, Sjow and Huk), WBC needs 4 wins (Socke, Moonan, Ret and Ganzi) and White-Ra needs 4 wins (Select, Slush, Kiwikaki and MMA). Did you take into account Huk & Rain likely returning? They should assuredly drop Machine & Drewbie. My only problem is I don't know how to figure out how to sort out the points of 25 to 28, as they have a different point value. The MLG rules don't seem to explain how that works. | ||
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zYwi3c
Poland1811 Posts
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On July 31 2011 16:39 Taf the Ghost wrote: Did you take into account Huk & Rain likely returning? They should assuredly drop Machine & Drewbie. My only problem is I don't know how to figure out how to sort out the points of 25 to 28, as they have a different point value. The MLG rules don't seem to explain how that works. everyone below top 3 play consolation matches with their respective rounds to determine ranks, so for like 5-8, 8-16, etc. | ||
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DizzyDrone
Netherlands629 Posts
On July 31 2011 16:39 Taf the Ghost wrote: Did you take into account Huk & Rain likely returning? They should assuredly drop Machine & Drewbie. My only problem is I don't know how to figure out how to sort out the points of 25 to 28, as they have a different point value. The MLG rules don't seem to explain how that works. I took Huk into account, but not Rain. Rain is tied with Machine, and 10 points ahead of Drewbie at the moment. If all top 16 players play at Raleigh, Drewbie won't be in the pools anymore. I used the lowest amount of points they earn for winning a match, not taking into account the following consolation matches. It's possible that those will make a difference. Simply put, the 2 things to look out for are the match between Tyler and Cruncher (and their following matches) and White-Ra's performance. | ||
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GreatestThreat
United States631 Posts
On July 31 2011 16:38 DystopiaX wrote: The thing is that everyone they've used it against plays a really greedy/macro style play, getting nothing but lings and maybe 4 roaches when the push comes. DRG plays alot more aggressive and gets faster tech, mutas and lots of lings/blings can take it out. Remember a big strength is the elevator play- landing a few marines up while letting the BFH attack from below- a muta attack from behind and lings/blings to follow could take taht out easy, or sending a large numbers of lings to counterattack could win easy- you leave like 2 helions and 8 marines behind, something 16ish lings can take. Also consider that none of the zergs got creep spread all the way aroudn their ledge, which is doable. If they do that slow blings and fast lings can get to the bottom of that elevator drop much more quickly. I agree, DongRaeGu plays a much more aggressive early game than these other zergs and that's going to play hell with the timing for these Terrans. Blue flame hellions might suddenly not look so hot (heheh puns) when they're surrounded by a far larger pack of speedlings. | ||
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Namkung
Canada151 Posts
On July 31 2011 16:39 Serpico wrote: Are you saying someone should produce noticeable results after a few weeks of practice against top tier players? That's nonsensical. Who are you even refering to when you say "top" players? lol At this point, I wouldn't even consider idra to be a top player when compared to the Koreans and no one else in EG really is even close to being considered a top player | ||
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Shelke14
Canada6655 Posts
On July 31 2011 16:46 Namkung wrote: Who are you even refering to when you say "top" players? lol At this point, I wouldn't even consider idra to be a top player when compared to the Koreans and no one else in EG really is even close to being considered a top player Puma? | ||
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
On July 31 2011 16:46 Namkung wrote: Who are you even refering to when you say "top" players? lol At this point, I wouldn't even consider idra to be a top player when compared to the Koreans and no one else in EG really is even close to being considered a top player As much as I may not like him, I still think IdrA is a "top" player, he manages to remain competitive at a high level. But yeah, no one else on EG is a top player to be honest, if the other EG guys dropped out, I think it'd be quite unlikely for any of them to pull a Tyler and make it back in. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On July 31 2011 16:38 DystopiaX wrote: The thing is that everyone they've used it against plays a really greedy/macro style play, getting nothing but lings and maybe 4 roaches when the push comes. DRG plays alot more aggressive and gets faster tech, mutas and lots of lings/blings can take it out. Remember a big strength is the elevator play- landing a few marines up while letting the BFH attack from below- a muta attack from behind and lings/blings to follow could take taht out easy, or sending a large numbers of lings to counterattack could win easy- you leave like 2 helions and 8 marines behind, something 16ish lings can take. Also consider that none of the zergs got creep spread all the way aroudn their ledge, which is doable. If they do that slow blings and fast lings can get to the bottom of that elevator drop much more quickly. I only have the GSTL games to go by, for DRG's ZvT style, but he actually doesn't go for super quick Mutas. What he does is go from Ling or Lling/Bling into Mass Muta. He actually plays very turtle-style until he gets Mutas. He just counter attacks all the time. The SlayerS build is designed to prevent: 1) the counter attacks and 2) punish a lack of static defense. As in Boxer vs Idra Game 2, the attacks happen very fast. Unless you can get out 10 minutes by 8m:30s, you're going to have issues. The counter is likely thinking of this build as a 2-port Banshee analogue. You need static and non-Light units. Which means you need Spines and Queens. A lot of them. They also spent a while making sure to take out creep tumors. Limiting Creep Spread is pretty key. But if you turtle until Infestors, then you're pretty safe. Since the build has really late Tanks, Infestors are pretty dangerous, once you get them out. The other option is a whole lot of Burrowed Banelings. Burrow has secondary uses of helping limit the damage from Blue Flame Helion drops. | ||
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MrSexington
United States1768 Posts
On July 31 2011 16:46 Namkung wrote: Who are you even refering to when you say "top" players? lol At this point, I wouldn't even consider idra to be a top player when compared to the Koreans and no one else in EG really is even close to being considered a top player So... IdrA was the top foreigner at the last MLG and he and HuK were the only foreigners to be in the top 8 in pool play at this MLG. And you still won't consider him to be a top player compared to the Koreans? I guess that's fair enough, but what about the non-Koreans? You're essentially saying that none of the non-Koreans are top players. And from there, you somehow link that to a bad EG boot camp. Weird. edit: You didn't make the original comment in the quotes so you didn't link those 2 after all. Ignore this post. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On July 31 2011 16:44 DizzyDrone wrote: I took Huk into account, but not Rain. Rain is tied with Machine, and 10 points ahead of Drewbie at the moment. If he returns for Raleigh the 8 players I mentioned will have 1 less spot to fight over. I used the lowest amount of points they earn for winning a match, not taking into account the following consolation matches. It's possible that those will make a difference. Oh, there are consolation matches? I did not know that. | ||
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Hierarch
United States2197 Posts
On July 31 2011 16:49 Mordiford wrote: As much as I may not like him, I still think IdrA is a "top" player, he manages to remain competitive at a high level. But yeah, no one else on EG is a top player to be honest, if the other EG guys dropped out, I think it'd be quite unlikely for any of them to pull a Tyler and make it back in. DeMusliM is quite good, he's shown very good TvT and TvP | ||
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Legio
Sweden235 Posts
On July 31 2011 16:06 iNcontroL wrote: Sorry I didn't do well guys but who in my group am I supposed to be ashamed to lose to? I've beaten all of them before and even in events (cruncher at nasl) but today they got the best of me. Tomorrow I play more and will do my best. The next tourney I will do the same. You wanna hate me for that go ahead. Cya at Raleigh No hate here. Those guys are proper monsters, you did well. Always a fan. | ||
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
On July 31 2011 16:52 Hierarch wrote: DeMusliM is quite good, he's shown very good TvT and TvP I was talking more about the ones currently in pool play, Machine and inControl, but even DeMuslim has had a pretty hard time in the open bracket, it's really rough and I think it's sad that the format is unfair to them when many of them could probably take out the weak links of the pools. | ||
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Duravi
United States1205 Posts
Everyone I lost to is good! If that was a legitimate excuse we would never be able to criticize any player's performance. And besides, you didn't just lose you got dominated in your televised games, all this after hyping the "EG boot camp". When koreans "boot camp" I'm pretty sure they don't go chill at a public LAN, do online shows while there, and sign autographs. | ||
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