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On July 31 2011 16:06 iNcontroL wrote:
Sorry I didn't do well guys but who in my group am I supposed to be ashamed to lose to? I've beaten all of them before and even in events (cruncher at nasl) but today they got the best of me. Tomorrow I play more and will do my best. The next tourney I will do the same. You wanna hate me for that go ahead. Cya at Raleigh
Don't let the haters get to you man, you've got plenty of fans hoping you do well tomorrow and take it back!
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Here in Anaheim, so much energy and passion around me. Insane games today, can't wait for tomorrow! 
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On July 31 2011 16:06 iNcontroL wrote:
Sorry I didn't do well guys but who in my group am I supposed to be ashamed to lose to? I've beaten all of them before and even in events (cruncher at nasl) but today they got the best of me. Tomorrow I play more and will do my best. The next tourney I will do the same. You wanna hate me for that go ahead. Cya at Raleigh
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On July 31 2011 15:41 holy_war wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 15:37 DizzyDrone wrote:
I doubt machine or moonan will be in the brackets next time. In control has a good chance to make it though, he earned a lot of points in Dallas. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_MLG_Pro_Circuit/RankingsMachine and Drewbie both have a good chance of staying in pool play next time, but they are on the cusp. Tyler has a chance to fight back into top 16.
Ran the numbers to check. Assuming no Koreans take a slot and all foreigners play at Raleigh, Socke is 13, Sheth is 14, Machine is 15 and Drewbie is 16. Machine and Drewbie are out, and have to hope Tyler, Cruncher, WBC and White-Ra don't do well tomorrow. Socke and Sheth still have their fates in their own hands. In order to pass Machine and Drewbie in points, Tyler needs 2 wins (Cruncher and Haypro), Cruncher needs 4 wins (Tyler, Haypro, Sjow and Huk), WBC needs 4 wins (Socke, Moonan, Ret and Ganzi) and White-Ra needs 4 wins (Select, Slush, Kiwikaki and MMA).
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Okay... went out to get some food after the event ended and I come back to find this...
On July 31 2011 16:08 DystopiaX wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 16:06 iNcontroL wrote:
Sorry I didn't do well guys but who in my group am I supposed to be ashamed to lose to? I've beaten all of them before and even in events (cruncher at nasl) but today they got the best of me. Tomorrow I play more and will do my best. The next tourney I will do the same. You wanna hate me for that go ahead. Cya at Raleigh Some people are hating on your performance but others are just upset that the MLG allows a player to potentially lose every game in the tournament and still keep their slot, which seems monstrously unfair.
People are actually hating on the system?
I always figured the point of it all was to keep familiar faces in the tournament for people who follow multiple MLGs. It's the same in GSL with code S / code A. Both tournaments have systems that keep people at the top in the top. There seems to be much less criticism about the GSL. People are just hating on the player, not the system (for the most part).
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On July 31 2011 16:21 iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 16:14 TooN wrote:On July 31 2011 16:06 iNcontroL wrote:
Sorry I didn't do well guys but who in my group am I supposed to be ashamed to lose to? I've beaten all of them before and even in events (cruncher at nasl) but today they got the best of me. Tomorrow I play more and will do my best. The next tourney I will do the same. You wanna hate me for that go ahead. Cya at Raleigh The fact you get easily tilted on forum comments is funny. I'm not tilted at all wtf
Standard thinly veiled "U MAD LOL?!", wouldn't pay it any mind 
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On July 31 2011 16:26 MrSexington wrote:Okay... went out to get some food after the event ended and I come back to find this... Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 16:08 DystopiaX wrote:On July 31 2011 16:06 iNcontroL wrote:
Sorry I didn't do well guys but who in my group am I supposed to be ashamed to lose to? I've beaten all of them before and even in events (cruncher at nasl) but today they got the best of me. Tomorrow I play more and will do my best. The next tourney I will do the same. You wanna hate me for that go ahead. Cya at Raleigh Some people are hating on your performance but others are just upset that the MLG allows a player to potentially lose every game in the tournament and still keep their slot, which seems monstrously unfair. People are actually hating on the system? I always figured the point of it all was to keep familiar faces in the tournament for people who follow multiple MLGs. It's the same in GSL with code S / code A. Both tournaments have systems that keep people at the top in the top. There seems to be much less criticism about the GSL. People are just hating on the player, not the system (for the most part).
yeah but GSL actually cycles out code S players if they lose, in MLG you can lose all your matches if you're in the top 16 and keep your seed. Not quite the same as GSL.
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On July 31 2011 16:25 DizzyDrone wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 15:41 holy_war wrote:On July 31 2011 15:37 DizzyDrone wrote:
I doubt machine or moonan will be in the brackets next time. In control has a good chance to make it though, he earned a lot of points in Dallas. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_MLG_Pro_Circuit/RankingsMachine and Drewbie both have a good chance of staying in pool play next time, but they are on the cusp. Tyler has a chance to fight back into top 16. Ran the numbers to check. Assuming no Koreans take a slot and all foreigners play at Raleigh, Socke is 13, Sheth is 14, Machine is 15 and Drewbie is 16. Machine and Drewbie are out, and have to hope Tyler, Cruncher, WBC and White-Ra don't do well tomorrow. Socke and Sheth still have their fates in their own hands. In order to pass Machine and Drewbie in points, Tyler needs 2 wins (Cruncher and Haypro), Cruncher needs 4 wins (Tyler, Haypro, Sjow and Huk), WBC needs 4 wins (Socke, Moonan, Ret and Ganzi) and White-Ra needs 4 wins (Select, Slush, Kiwikaki and MMA).
Seems doable for Tyler, I don't see Cruncher making it past Huk, WBC is FUCKED, and poor White-Ra is probably going to have a tough time with MMA, though the road up there doesn't look too too rough for someone of his caliber (revenge match with SelecT for NASL Finals! :D).
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Me and my friends made the Grackapillar sign!!!
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Machine consistently doing so badly at these MLGs, hope he doesn't somehow retain his championship pool spot.
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Huk actually has a good shot to win this MLG.
If MVP takes DRG out, he lands on MMA's side of the bracket, where even DRG will be mortal. I feel the whole BFH marine drop was designed by Slayers to take DRG out.
That leaves Huk with nothing but Terrans who coincidentally have TvP as their worst match-up.
And Huk's best match-up is PvT. Conditions couldn't be more favorable towards Huk right now.
Look for a very possible win by our own Liquid'Huk.
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On July 31 2011 16:29 GreatestThreat wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 16:25 DizzyDrone wrote:On July 31 2011 15:41 holy_war wrote:On July 31 2011 15:37 DizzyDrone wrote:
I doubt machine or moonan will be in the brackets next time. In control has a good chance to make it though, he earned a lot of points in Dallas. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_MLG_Pro_Circuit/RankingsMachine and Drewbie both have a good chance of staying in pool play next time, but they are on the cusp. Tyler has a chance to fight back into top 16. Ran the numbers to check. Assuming no Koreans take a slot and all foreigners play at Raleigh, Socke is 13, Sheth is 14, Machine is 15 and Drewbie is 16. Machine and Drewbie are out, and have to hope Tyler, Cruncher, WBC and White-Ra don't do well tomorrow. Socke and Sheth still have their fates in their own hands. In order to pass Machine and Drewbie in points, Tyler needs 2 wins (Cruncher and Haypro), Cruncher needs 4 wins (Tyler, Haypro, Sjow and Huk), WBC needs 4 wins (Socke, Moonan, Ret and Ganzi) and White-Ra needs 4 wins (Select, Slush, Kiwikaki and MMA). Seems doable for Tyler, I don't see Cruncher making it past Huk, WBC is FUCKED, and poor White-Ra is probably going to have a tough time with MMA, though the road up there doesn't look too too rough for someone of his caliber (revenge match with SelecT for NASL Finals! :D).
Tyler seems doable but PvP comes down to the little things, one mistake can kill you, and Haypro was looking really strong vs him today, really playing like a monster, so it'd be hard.
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On July 31 2011 16:19 roymarthyup wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 16:14 Taf the Ghost wrote:On July 31 2011 16:09 DystopiaX wrote:On July 31 2011 16:07 Taf the Ghost wrote:On July 31 2011 16:06 Kipsate wrote:
Non korean invited players can get a code A spot right?
Its easier for koreans to go to MLG and beat foreigners then to claw their way into code A through code B lol. Not really. Code A Qualifiers are actually only 4-5 Bo3, normally only 2 against a top-flight opponent. As Alicia proved, you can hit people that can beat you (twice as it turned out), and it's a lot more expensive to fly out to the States than to just wait a month on a Code A qualifier. But Code A is notoriously brutal and with random seeds you don't know who you're going to draw- alot of these code B players were taken out by other really well known players- DRG lost to Hero for example. Code A is horribly random, that's the main thing. You ended up with brackets with 2 players that could probably make Code S, and then some with guys that aren't going to make it past Code A Ro32. That's the big thing. But MLG is pretty random too. Rain is currently in the Winner's Semifinal, yet he's 2 misplaced Vikings (they were just out of scan range) from Qxc dropping him in Winner's Round 5. So, there's a lot going on. i saw rain vs QXC and honestly i thought rain made so many control mistakes. amoving thors into QXC's tanks in that testbug game for example and gg'ing after anyway what moment are you talking about with the 2 vikings?
Game 3 on Xel`Naga. Qxc scanned, but the Vikings were just chilling outside of range. He tossed down 2 Auto turrents and landed his vikings. If he had seen the Vikings, he tossed up a PDD and his Banshee (which got obliterated without killing anything) cleans up the tanks and the worst scenario is they trade armies and Qxc then lights up the workers with the Banshee.
But, yeah, Rain definitely is playing well. Actually, he's playing better than at any point in his Code S/A days. That's the sad bit.
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On July 31 2011 16:30 RaiKageRyu wrote:
Huk actually has a good shot to win this MLG.
If MVP takes DRG out, he lands on MMA's side of the bracket, where even DRG will be mortal. I feel the whole BFH marine drop was designed by Slayers to take DRG out.
That leaves Huk with nothing but Terrans who coincidentally have TvP as their worst match-up.
And Huk's best match-up is PvT. Conditions couldn't be more favorable towards Huk right now.
DRG plays really strong muta/ling/bling, which could do fine against the BFH build, and he's had 2 days to watch and analyze it. I really think that he could beat MMA. That being said I think he could take MVP too, so that may be a nonissue.
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On July 31 2011 16:27 DystopiaX wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 16:26 MrSexington wrote:Okay... went out to get some food after the event ended and I come back to find this... On July 31 2011 16:08 DystopiaX wrote:On July 31 2011 16:06 iNcontroL wrote:
Sorry I didn't do well guys but who in my group am I supposed to be ashamed to lose to? I've beaten all of them before and even in events (cruncher at nasl) but today they got the best of me. Tomorrow I play more and will do my best. The next tourney I will do the same. You wanna hate me for that go ahead. Cya at Raleigh Some people are hating on your performance but others are just upset that the MLG allows a player to potentially lose every game in the tournament and still keep their slot, which seems monstrously unfair. People are actually hating on the system? I always figured the point of it all was to keep familiar faces in the tournament for people who follow multiple MLGs. It's the same in GSL with code S / code A. Both tournaments have systems that keep people at the top in the top. There seems to be much less criticism about the GSL. People are just hating on the player, not the system (for the most part). yeah but GSL actually cycles out code S players if they lose, in MLG you can lose all your matches if you're in the top 16 and keep your seed. Not quite the same as GSL.
Tyler lost his spot from last MLG. It can happen to anyone. From what I've read in this thread, it sounds like people are hating on the fact that players aren't cycled out in the middle of the 3 day weekend event. Don't worry. If players do poorly, they'll be cycled out in the next event, just not in the middle of this one.
This is the same with GSL. People are bumped from code S and code A in between seasons.
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On July 31 2011 16:31 DystopiaX wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 16:29 GreatestThreat wrote:On July 31 2011 16:25 DizzyDrone wrote:On July 31 2011 15:41 holy_war wrote:On July 31 2011 15:37 DizzyDrone wrote:
I doubt machine or moonan will be in the brackets next time. In control has a good chance to make it though, he earned a lot of points in Dallas. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_MLG_Pro_Circuit/RankingsMachine and Drewbie both have a good chance of staying in pool play next time, but they are on the cusp. Tyler has a chance to fight back into top 16. Ran the numbers to check. Assuming no Koreans take a slot and all foreigners play at Raleigh, Socke is 13, Sheth is 14, Machine is 15 and Drewbie is 16. Machine and Drewbie are out, and have to hope Tyler, Cruncher, WBC and White-Ra don't do well tomorrow. Socke and Sheth still have their fates in their own hands. In order to pass Machine and Drewbie in points, Tyler needs 2 wins (Cruncher and Haypro), Cruncher needs 4 wins (Tyler, Haypro, Sjow and Huk), WBC needs 4 wins (Socke, Moonan, Ret and Ganzi) and White-Ra needs 4 wins (Select, Slush, Kiwikaki and MMA). Seems doable for Tyler, I don't see Cruncher making it past Huk, WBC is FUCKED, and poor White-Ra is probably going to have a tough time with MMA, though the road up there doesn't look too too rough for someone of his caliber (revenge match with SelecT for NASL Finals! :D). Tyler seems doable but PvP comes down to the little things, one mistake can kill you, and Haypro was looking really strong vs him today, really playing like a monster, so it'd be hard.
Oh right, I actually missed the Tyler/Haypro games.. Well here's hoping he can pull something off, I was a big fan of his in the beta. Needs more phoenix imo
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On July 31 2011 16:30 RaiKageRyu wrote:
Huk actually has a good shot to win this MLG.
If MVP takes DRG out, he lands on MMA's side of the bracket, where even DRG will be mortal. I feel the whole BFH marine drop was designed by Slayers to take DRG out.
That leaves Huk with nothing but Terrans who coincidentally have TvP as their worst match-up.
And Huk's best match-up is PvT. Conditions couldn't be more favorable towards Huk right now.
Look for a very possible win by our own Liquid'Huk.
The SlayerS TvZ style was definitely designed for DRG. After he 3-killed them in GSTL, going through Boxer, Ganzi & MMA (in that order). They've definitely spent some time coming up with a brutal, brutal build.
If DRG has a chance to watch any of those (or had someone watching and sending along information), he probably has a chance. The style is going to require massive turtling. It's pretty much designed to prevent DRG's counter-zergling into Zergling/Muta play.
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On July 31 2011 16:33 MrSexington wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 16:27 DystopiaX wrote:On July 31 2011 16:26 MrSexington wrote:Okay... went out to get some food after the event ended and I come back to find this... On July 31 2011 16:08 DystopiaX wrote:On July 31 2011 16:06 iNcontroL wrote:
Sorry I didn't do well guys but who in my group am I supposed to be ashamed to lose to? I've beaten all of them before and even in events (cruncher at nasl) but today they got the best of me. Tomorrow I play more and will do my best. The next tourney I will do the same. You wanna hate me for that go ahead. Cya at Raleigh Some people are hating on your performance but others are just upset that the MLG allows a player to potentially lose every game in the tournament and still keep their slot, which seems monstrously unfair. People are actually hating on the system? I always figured the point of it all was to keep familiar faces in the tournament for people who follow multiple MLGs. It's the same in GSL with code S / code A. Both tournaments have systems that keep people at the top in the top. There seems to be much less criticism about the GSL. People are just hating on the player, not the system (for the most part). yeah but GSL actually cycles out code S players if they lose, in MLG you can lose all your matches if you're in the top 16 and keep your seed. Not quite the same as GSL. Tyler lost his spot from last MLG. It can happen to anyone. From what I've read in this thread, it sounds like players aren't cycled out in the middle of the 3 day weekend event. Don't worry. If players do poorly, they'll be cycled out in the next event, just not in the middle of this one. This is the same with GSL. People are bumped from code S and code A in between seasons.
People know how the system works... Actually read the posts you're commenting on.
The problem is retention is too easy and too heavy, it doesn't make sense when there are such a massive amount of players in the open bracket who could defeat players in the pools, it's an unfair system if the goal is to have the best players remain successful. Someone already brought up why it was implemented in regards to it's appropriateness for Halo, but this doesn't carry over to Starcraft 2 and needs to be rectified.
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On July 31 2011 16:33 MrSexington wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 16:27 DystopiaX wrote:On July 31 2011 16:26 MrSexington wrote:Okay... went out to get some food after the event ended and I come back to find this... On July 31 2011 16:08 DystopiaX wrote:On July 31 2011 16:06 iNcontroL wrote:
Sorry I didn't do well guys but who in my group am I supposed to be ashamed to lose to? I've beaten all of them before and even in events (cruncher at nasl) but today they got the best of me. Tomorrow I play more and will do my best. The next tourney I will do the same. You wanna hate me for that go ahead. Cya at Raleigh Some people are hating on your performance but others are just upset that the MLG allows a player to potentially lose every game in the tournament and still keep their slot, which seems monstrously unfair. People are actually hating on the system? I always figured the point of it all was to keep familiar faces in the tournament for people who follow multiple MLGs. It's the same in GSL with code S / code A. Both tournaments have systems that keep people at the top in the top. There seems to be much less criticism about the GSL. People are just hating on the player, not the system (for the most part). yeah but GSL actually cycles out code S players if they lose, in MLG you can lose all your matches if you're in the top 16 and keep your seed. Not quite the same as GSL. Tyler lost his spot from last MLG. It can happen to anyone. From what I've read in this thread, it sounds like players aren't cycled out in the middle of the 3 day weekend event. Don't worry. If players do poorly, they'll be cycled out in the next event, just not in the middle of this one. This is the same with GSL. People are bumped from code S and code A in between seasons.
That's 1 player, and not alot considering more than a few have gone down winning none or only 1 match in Columbus. They don't just "decide" to cycle out players, which is what I'm getting from your post, there's a mathematical point system that gives you 300+points for getting top 24, the lowest that any seeded player can get. Someone like Machine or Incontrol, who won none of their pool matches, may still be in the top 16 for Raleigh despite only losing.
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On July 31 2011 16:29 GreatestThreat wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 16:25 DizzyDrone wrote:On July 31 2011 15:41 holy_war wrote:On July 31 2011 15:37 DizzyDrone wrote:
I doubt machine or moonan will be in the brackets next time. In control has a good chance to make it though, he earned a lot of points in Dallas. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_MLG_Pro_Circuit/RankingsMachine and Drewbie both have a good chance of staying in pool play next time, but they are on the cusp. Tyler has a chance to fight back into top 16. Ran the numbers to check. Assuming no Koreans take a slot and all foreigners play at Raleigh, Socke is 13, Sheth is 14, Machine is 15 and Drewbie is 16. Machine and Drewbie are out, and have to hope Tyler, Cruncher, WBC and White-Ra don't do well tomorrow. Socke and Sheth still have their fates in their own hands. In order to pass Machine and Drewbie in points, Tyler needs 2 wins (Cruncher and Haypro), Cruncher needs 4 wins (Tyler, Haypro, Sjow and Huk), WBC needs 4 wins (Socke, Moonan, Ret and Ganzi) and White-Ra needs 4 wins (Select, Slush, Kiwikaki and MMA). Seems doable for Tyler, I don't see Cruncher making it past Huk, WBC is FUCKED, and poor White-Ra is probably going to have a tough time with MMA, though the road up there doesn't look too too rough for someone of his caliber (revenge match with SelecT for NASL Finals! :D).
Forgot to mention: Even if they don't win all the matches I mentioned, these guys could make it into the pools by placing high enough in the consolation matches. For example, Cruncher will not have to beat Huk as long as he places at least 14th tomorrow (and none of the other 3 place higher then him in points). Also, if anyone in the top 16 doesn't play at Raleigh these players will be first in line to take a pool spot. It's very likely that Tyler will be in one of the pools in Raleigh.
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