EPTMLG Anaheim Day 2 RED Live Report Thread - Page 598
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Alright, its truly time to stop whining. Stop caster bashing also. Be warned. | ||
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RandomAccount#106470
Lithuania1506 Posts
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On July 31 2011 15:41 holy_war wrote: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Rankings Machine and Drewbie both have a good chance of staying in pool play next time, but they are on the cusp. Tyler has a chance to fight back into top 16. Machine & Drewbie are pretty much assuredly out of Pool play for Raleigh. Remember, Rain & Huk are both likely to return, so they'll be at higher points. Tyler I think will be back in, if he wins. I can't find how they decide the placement of positions in the lower part of the championship bracket at the moment. And, we have to remember, it's VERY possible that SlayerS will send back some combination of MMA, Ganzi or Boxer, depending on how GSL August goes & how Anaheim finishes. | ||
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Contagious
United States1319 Posts
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roymarthyup
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Teoyaomqui
Sweden326 Posts
On July 31 2011 15:45 Whole wrote: Over time, the people in pool player will be deserving. We just need to point system to get a bigger sample size to make it accurate. The problem is also how points are distributed. For example, if you finish 20th which is probably a pool player playing bad, you get 180 points, whereas 33rd gets a whooping 6 points. Pool players can't even finish that low theoretically. Only reason for points to fall so low so fast after 20th is to protect the pool players even more. It makes no sense for the difference between 20th and 33rd to be greater than 1st and 20th, relatively speaking, and it's not even close. | ||
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Scribble
2077 Posts
On July 31 2011 15:37 justinpal wrote: I think the assumption is that if you top 16 the first event you are deserving of some protection. But, obviously the skill levels have jumped quite a bit since Dallas. I think the problem with some of these elaborate tournament structures is that they work so hard to protect people from any potential volatility/slumps/being random'd out that they overcompensate and don't punish inconsistency and all around poor play enough. | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On July 31 2011 15:55 Taf the Ghost wrote: Machine & Drewbie are pretty much assuredly out of Pool play for Raleigh. Remember, Rain & Huk are both likely to return, so they'll be at higher points. Tyler I think will be back in, if he wins. I can't find how they decide the placement of positions in the lower part of the championship bracket at the moment. And, we have to remember, it's VERY possible that SlayerS will send back some combination of MMA, Ganzi or Boxer, depending on how GSL August goes & how Anaheim finishes. SlayerS needs to get the money though, from what I've heard the sponsorship situation is very grim for Korean teams, they should do what MC did and get sponsored just for foreign events. | ||
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KimJongChill
United States6429 Posts
On July 31 2011 15:59 Scribble wrote: I think the problem with some of these elaborate tournament structures is that they work so hard to protect people from any potential volatility/slumps/being random'd out that they overcompensate and don't punish inconsistency and all around poor play enough. This is like anti-GSL, where code S players are just dropping like flies. The new system changed it a bit, I think, but before it was kind of like a revolving door. | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On July 31 2011 15:59 Scribble wrote: I think the problem with some of these elaborate tournament structures is that they work so hard to protect people from any potential volatility/slumps/being random'd out that they overcompensate and don't punish inconsistency and all around poor play enough. It would've worked out if the Koreans had been here since the beginning, but with the heavy influx of skill lately the top 16 looks more and more like a joke. If Koreans come back next year top 16'll look very different. | ||
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Mithriel
Netherlands2969 Posts
 If rain wins he can't take code s because banned right? Not like he wants because just.moved, but you never know | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On July 31 2011 16:00 KimJongChill wrote: This is like anti-GSL, where code S players are just dropping like flies. The new system changed it a bit, I think, but before it was kind of like a revolving door. GSL Code S has pretty much dropped exactly 6 players out of Code S every time. It's funny how consistent it is. | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On July 31 2011 16:01 Mithriel wrote: Do they still give away code a spots too? I can't really see anyone in the bracket ( besides the Koreans) who would accept it unfortunatly If rain wins he can't take code s because banned right? Not like he wants because just.moved, but you never know Code A invites to the 2-4 slots who aren't part of the MLG-GSL exchange. Nani would take it for sure, probably EG dudes cause the house is getting set up, one of the Korean non-invites. | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On July 31 2011 16:02 Taf the Ghost wrote: GSL Code S has pretty much dropped exactly 6 players out of Code S every time. It's funny how consistent it is. Say what you want about the Code S system but at least their spot depends on some of their more recent performaances. You get the preferred treatment but only if you can win a round robin. | ||
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
On July 31 2011 15:59 Teoyaomqui wrote: The problem is also how points are distributed. For example, if you finish 20th which is probably a pool player playing bad, you get 180 points, whereas 33rd gets a whooping 6 points. Pool players can't even finish that low theoretically. Only reason for points to fall so low so fast after 20th is to protect the pool players even more. It makes no sense for the difference between 20th and 33rd to be greater than 1st and 20th, relatively speaking, and it's not even close. See, this is what actually breaks the system. You shouldn't get more points for losing every single match than someone else would for winning a ton and losing a bit. It shouldn't drop off so rapidly. This may have worked early on, but the player pool is waaay too large in terms of good players and snubbing half of them isn't fair. ToD pretty much said the same thing in an interview, it's really difficult to get into the Pools and waaay to hard to get out, some people deserve to be there, but the system is very lopsided. | ||
Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
Its easier for koreans to go to MLG and beat foreigners then to claw their way into code A through code B lol. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On July 31 2011 16:01 Mithriel wrote: Do they still give away code a spots too? I can't really see anyone in the bracket ( besides the Koreans) who would accept it unfortunatly If rain wins he can't take code s because banned right? Not like he wants because just.moved, but you never know The GSL/MLG partners *can't* take the Code A spots. But Ganzi isn't part of that. Neither is Choya or Oz. And while those guys did happen to finish around 28-36th places, it's very possible they could end up with 1 of the 3 spots. But we don't know, for sure. Ganzi can pretty much be assured to take 1 of the Code A spots, though. He can theoretically end up in a situation he wouldn't get one, but he's assured Top 12, and 6 of those in the assured Top 12 can't take a Code A spot (unless Huk or MVP want to do both? that'd be odd). | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On July 31 2011 16:04 Mordiford wrote: See, this is what actually breaks the system. You shouldn't get more points for losing every single match than someone else would for winning a ton and losing a bit. It shouldn't drop off so rapidly. This may have worked early on, but the player pool is waaay too large in terms of good players and snubbing half of them isn't fair. ToD pretty much said the same thing in an interview, it's really difficult to get into the Pools and waaay to hard to get out, some people deserve to be there, but the system is very lopsided. I think the system survived so long cause in Halo, which was pretty much MLG's only game for 7ish years, was always really top heavy- you could pretty much 100% guess top 3 every time and if anyone in top 8 broke those placings it was a major upset, so placings among top 8 were always top 8 and none of the "pro" teams did so poorly as to deserve it- pretty much always top 20 if not always top 16. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On July 31 2011 16:06 Kipsate wrote: Non korean invited players can get a code A spot right? Its easier for koreans to go to MLG and beat foreigners then to claw their way into code A through code B lol. Not really. Code A Qualifiers are actually only 4-5 Bo3, normally only 2 against a top-flight opponent. As Alicia proved, you can hit people that can beat you (twice as it turned out), and it's a lot more expensive to fly out to the States than to just wait a month on a Code A qualifier. | ||
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