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On July 31 2011 15:37 Scribble wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 15:35 DystopiaX wrote:On July 31 2011 15:33 Scribble wrote:On July 31 2011 15:28 DystopiaX wrote:On July 31 2011 15:26 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On July 31 2011 15:22 Mordiford wrote:On July 31 2011 15:21 Scribble wrote:On July 31 2011 15:18 karis wrote:On July 31 2011 15:17 mordk wrote:On July 31 2011 15:17 karis wrote:
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mc beat idra, mc best pvzer in the world? Oh, so this whole thing finally makes sense losira beats mc best zvper in the world? it never ends. Nestea beat Losira. Best Zv- FUCK. MY MIND. TOP beat NesTea. TOP has the best TvZ in the world. Bulbasaur beats Squirtle But Charmander beats Bulbasaur But Squirtle beats Charmander ?_? Squirtle best Starcraft player in the world. Squirtle beats Sjow Sjow beats Socke Socke beats Squirtle Socke is the best pokemon. Rain beats Socke Socke is the best pokemon. He is the very best, like noone ever was. Poke-bonjwa.
Pokewa*
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Looks like machine and drewbie won't be in the brackets next time. There are still several people competing for the bottom few spots though, so tomorrow should be exciting.
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On July 31 2011 15:36 DystopiaX wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 15:34 KimJongChill wrote:On July 31 2011 15:32 Mordiford wrote:On July 31 2011 15:27 InvalidID wrote:On July 31 2011 15:24 DystopiaX wrote:On July 31 2011 15:23 Mordiford wrote:On July 31 2011 15:23 DystopiaX wrote:On July 31 2011 15:22 Yew wrote:
Wait, does this mean incontrol placed high enough to be in the next MLG? No one knows, he could still potentially win the tourney Best joke of the night. If he wins I'll die laughing. IncontroL in Code S. I don't understand this hate for the people at the low end of the Championship brackets, I mean look at Tyler, he got knocked out and came right back like a rubber ball. Did they lose against other really good players? Yes. Does that reflect how they would do against less proven players? Not necessarily. Take drewbie as an example, he lost all of his matches, but took games off of a number of good players. I personally feel like Drewbie is a bit of a different example, the guy is generally very consistent, but the sudden burst of skill at MLG has really put him on the back-foot, he still manages to stay competitive but can't close out a series. At Dallas he was 3-0 in his group, there's even an interview with Josh Suth where they joke about the possibility that the player from the open bracket could come through and ruin his day, little did they know... that was Naniwa, who swept the group 4-0. Then at Columbus he went 1-2 in almost all his matches. inControl doesn't really show strong performances in most tournaments these days, I don't even see him play in most online events either because he doesn't qualify or doesn't want to. I just don't see him belonging in the championship pool. Few people do, and it's ridiculous that such poor performers will be seeded into the next tournament. I feel like it really changes at the start of each season, where the points only count for the first event and for the second they go purely by placing from the first event.
Before Koreans came it was "easier" to get seeded into MLG. All you had to do was make it in, then consistently win a couple of games and hold your top 16 seed. Completely unfair. Like someone else said, someone from the open bracket at this point would need to finish 7th or better to be seeded into the next MLG. While someone going 0-5 may still have enough points for next MLG.
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I'd say just wait til next season for a more telling Top 16.
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On July 31 2011 15:36 DystopiaX wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 15:34 KimJongChill wrote:On July 31 2011 15:32 Mordiford wrote:On July 31 2011 15:27 InvalidID wrote:On July 31 2011 15:24 DystopiaX wrote:On July 31 2011 15:23 Mordiford wrote:On July 31 2011 15:23 DystopiaX wrote:On July 31 2011 15:22 Yew wrote:
Wait, does this mean incontrol placed high enough to be in the next MLG? No one knows, he could still potentially win the tourney Best joke of the night. If he wins I'll die laughing. IncontroL in Code S. I don't understand this hate for the people at the low end of the Championship brackets, I mean look at Tyler, he got knocked out and came right back like a rubber ball. Did they lose against other really good players? Yes. Does that reflect how they would do against less proven players? Not necessarily. Take drewbie as an example, he lost all of his matches, but took games off of a number of good players. I personally feel like Drewbie is a bit of a different example, the guy is generally very consistent, but the sudden burst of skill at MLG has really put him on the back-foot, he still manages to stay competitive but can't close out a series. At Dallas he was 3-0 in his group, there's even an interview with Josh Suth where they joke about the possibility that the player from the open bracket could come through and ruin his day, little did they know... that was Naniwa, who swept the group 4-0. Then at Columbus he went 1-2 in almost all his matches. inControl doesn't really show strong performances in most tournaments these days, I don't even see him play in most online events either because he doesn't qualify or doesn't want to. I just don't see him belonging in the championship pool. Few people do, and it's ridiculous that such poor performers will be seeded into the next tournament. I feel like it really changes at the start of each season, where the points only count for the first event and for the second they go purely by placing from the first event.
Yeah, it resets every year and people do drop out. It's just that there are examples of people who really just claw themselves towards a respectable placement and are set for so fucking long afterwards. inControl got out of a group that was basically anyone's game with like 1 game, that guaranteed him top 6, then TLO did the heavy lifting only to go full retard once again upon hitting inControl.
Now, despite his poor performances, he's basically set for the rest of the tournament season.
One strong finish should leave you in the clear for another 2 events, let's see how it goes. Maybe he'll drop out next event.
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On July 31 2011 15:37 Rorra wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 15:37 Scribble wrote:On July 31 2011 15:35 DystopiaX wrote:On July 31 2011 15:33 Scribble wrote:On July 31 2011 15:28 DystopiaX wrote:On July 31 2011 15:26 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On July 31 2011 15:22 Mordiford wrote:On July 31 2011 15:21 Scribble wrote:On July 31 2011 15:18 karis wrote:On July 31 2011 15:17 mordk wrote:
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Oh, so this whole thing finally makes sense losira beats mc best zvper in the world? it never ends. Nestea beat Losira. Best Zv- FUCK. MY MIND. TOP beat NesTea. TOP has the best TvZ in the world. Bulbasaur beats Squirtle But Charmander beats Bulbasaur But Squirtle beats Charmander ?_? Squirtle best Starcraft player in the world. Squirtle beats Sjow Sjow beats Socke Socke beats Squirtle Socke is the best pokemon. Rain beats Socke Socke is the best pokemon. He is the very best, like noone ever was. Poke-bonjwa. Pokewa*
Bonjémon
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People who go 0-5 in their group should not get into the championship bracket, imo...
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On July 31 2011 15:37 DizzyDrone wrote:
I doubt machine or moonan will be in the brackets next time. In control has a good chance to make it though, he earned a lot of points in Dallas.
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Rankings
Machine and Drewbie both have a good chance of staying in pool play next time, but they are on the cusp. Tyler has a chance to fight back into top 16.
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On July 31 2011 15:40 Mordiford wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 15:36 DystopiaX wrote:On July 31 2011 15:34 KimJongChill wrote:On July 31 2011 15:32 Mordiford wrote:On July 31 2011 15:27 InvalidID wrote:On July 31 2011 15:24 DystopiaX wrote:On July 31 2011 15:23 Mordiford wrote:On July 31 2011 15:23 DystopiaX wrote:On July 31 2011 15:22 Yew wrote:
Wait, does this mean incontrol placed high enough to be in the next MLG? No one knows, he could still potentially win the tourney Best joke of the night. If he wins I'll die laughing. IncontroL in Code S. I don't understand this hate for the people at the low end of the Championship brackets, I mean look at Tyler, he got knocked out and came right back like a rubber ball. Did they lose against other really good players? Yes. Does that reflect how they would do against less proven players? Not necessarily. Take drewbie as an example, he lost all of his matches, but took games off of a number of good players. I personally feel like Drewbie is a bit of a different example, the guy is generally very consistent, but the sudden burst of skill at MLG has really put him on the back-foot, he still manages to stay competitive but can't close out a series. At Dallas he was 3-0 in his group, there's even an interview with Josh Suth where they joke about the possibility that the player from the open bracket could come through and ruin his day, little did they know... that was Naniwa, who swept the group 4-0. Then at Columbus he went 1-2 in almost all his matches. inControl doesn't really show strong performances in most tournaments these days, I don't even see him play in most online events either because he doesn't qualify or doesn't want to. I just don't see him belonging in the championship pool. Few people do, and it's ridiculous that such poor performers will be seeded into the next tournament. I feel like it really changes at the start of each season, where the points only count for the first event and for the second they go purely by placing from the first event. Yeah, it resets every year and people do drop out. It's just that there are examples of people who really just claw themselves towards a respectable placement and are set for so fucking long afterwards. inControl got out of a group that was basically anyone's game with like 1 game, that guaranteed him top 6, then TLO did the heavy lifting only to go full retard once again upon hitting inControl. Now, despite his poor performances, he's basically set for the rest of the tournament season. One strong finish should leave you in the clear for another 2 events, let's see how it goes. Maybe he'll drop out next event.
I feel like the events that matter the most are the first one, for groups, and nationals, for the money. The rest is just jockeying for positioning and a code S slot.
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On July 31 2011 15:34 KimJongChill wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 15:32 Mordiford wrote:On July 31 2011 15:27 InvalidID wrote:On July 31 2011 15:24 DystopiaX wrote:On July 31 2011 15:23 Mordiford wrote:On July 31 2011 15:23 DystopiaX wrote:On July 31 2011 15:22 Yew wrote:
Wait, does this mean incontrol placed high enough to be in the next MLG? No one knows, he could still potentially win the tourney Best joke of the night. If he wins I'll die laughing. IncontroL in Code S. I don't understand this hate for the people at the low end of the Championship brackets, I mean look at Tyler, he got knocked out and came right back like a rubber ball. Did they lose against other really good players? Yes. Does that reflect how they would do against less proven players? Not necessarily. Take drewbie as an example, he lost all of his matches, but took games off of a number of good players. I personally feel like Drewbie is a bit of a different example, the guy is generally very consistent, but the sudden burst of skill at MLG has really put him on the back-foot, he still manages to stay competitive but can't close out a series. At Dallas he was 3-0 in his group, there's even an interview with Josh Suth where they joke about the possibility that the player from the open bracket could come through and ruin his day, little did they know... that was Naniwa, who swept the group 4-0. Then at Columbus he went 1-2 in almost all his matches. inControl doesn't really show strong performances in most tournaments these days, I don't even see him play in most online events either because he doesn't qualify or doesn't want to. I just don't see him belonging in the championship pool. Few people do, and it's ridiculous that such poor performers will be seeded into the next tournament.
Totally agree. They should cut down on pool play to just 4 people at the start. The fifth player is just terrible in each group.
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On July 31 2011 15:41 Dingobloo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 15:37 Rorra wrote:On July 31 2011 15:37 Scribble wrote:On July 31 2011 15:35 DystopiaX wrote:On July 31 2011 15:33 Scribble wrote:On July 31 2011 15:28 DystopiaX wrote:On July 31 2011 15:26 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On July 31 2011 15:22 Mordiford wrote:On July 31 2011 15:21 Scribble wrote:On July 31 2011 15:18 karis wrote:
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losira beats mc best zvper in the world?
it never ends.
Nestea beat Losira. Best Zv- FUCK. MY MIND. TOP beat NesTea. TOP has the best TvZ in the world. Bulbasaur beats Squirtle But Charmander beats Bulbasaur But Squirtle beats Charmander ?_? Squirtle best Starcraft player in the world. Squirtle beats Sjow Sjow beats Socke Socke beats Squirtle Socke is the best pokemon. Rain beats Socke Socke is the best pokemon. He is the very best, like noone ever was. Poke-bonjwa. Pokewa* Bonjémon
that would be a digimon bonjwa good sir.
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What it comes down to, for me as a fan, is seeing good games. Just because someone is top 16, doesn't mean it will be a good game. All this fake hype and fake rivalries, really just overdo it. "Incontrol has always had to battle against Machine" .. too bad huh? Maybe that way one of them would win. Not such a bad thing considering they went 0-5.
The GSL does a so-so job at weeding out the players who don't belong. But it's still 10x better than MLG.
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I think it's ultimately a result of the pool format. If you're a mediocre seeded player then your performance relies very heavily on how the pools are allocated. Get a group with another mediocre player or two and you can place well-enough to get enough points to keep your seed into the next tournament. Get an easy group, like for example iNcontroL at Dallas, and you can ride that into an extremely high placing without beating anyone outside your group. It's going to work out in the long run as good players slowly climb into those seeded positions, but it's not very optimal.
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Alot of those EG players are relying more on their personalities than their gameplay to get a fanbase/living.
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On July 31 2011 15:43 DystopiaX wrote:
Alot of those EG players are relying more on their personalities than their gameplay to get a fanbase/living.
incontrol must not be doing a good job of that lol.
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On July 31 2011 15:44 oogieogie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 15:43 DystopiaX wrote:
Alot of those EG players are relying more on their personalities than their gameplay to get a fanbase/living. incontrol must not be doing a good job of that lol.
He gets paid for doing Live on 3, is booked for months for coaching, etc. He doesn't even need to do well to make money.
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On July 31 2011 15:41 thepeonwhocould wrote:
People who go 0-5 in their group should not get into the championship bracket, imo...
Over time, the people in pool player will be deserving. We just need to point system to get a bigger sample size to make it accurate.
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On July 31 2011 15:33 Scribble wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 15:28 DystopiaX wrote:On July 31 2011 15:26 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On July 31 2011 15:22 Mordiford wrote:On July 31 2011 15:21 Scribble wrote:On July 31 2011 15:18 karis wrote:On July 31 2011 15:17 mordk wrote:On July 31 2011 15:17 karis wrote:On July 31 2011 15:14 Knightess wrote:On July 31 2011 15:13 JoeSchmoe wrote:
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cruncher beat incontrol
cruncher is the best toss in the world. IdrA beat Cruncher Idra is the best ZvPer in the world + Show Spoiler + mc beat idra, mc best pvzer in the world? Oh, so this whole thing finally makes sense losira beats mc best zvper in the world? it never ends. Nestea beat Losira. Best Zv- FUCK. MY MIND. TOP beat NesTea. TOP has the best TvZ in the world. Bulbasaur beats Squirtle But Charmander beats Bulbasaur But Squirtle beats Charmander ?_? Squirtle best Starcraft player in the world. Squirtle beats Sjow Sjow beats Socke Socke beats Squirtle Socke is the best pokemon.
Socke isn't as good at Pokemon as John is at Yugioh
John yugioh bonjwa
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Incontrol ~hovered around 150th in GM last ladder season on NA
Machine - couldn't even get out of Masters on NA
and these guys have to beat MVP? DongraeGu?
There's playing to win, and playing to last. Just like in Poker. these guys are simply playing to last.
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Umm machine dropped out of GM cause he went to Europe. He was like around 50ish before dropping out.
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