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FakeDeath
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia6060 Posts
July 09 2011 12:08 GMT
#21481
On July 09 2011 20:53 T.O.P. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2011 20:23 JustPassingBy wrote:
On July 09 2011 20:16 Lorizean wrote:
On July 09 2011 20:14 JustPassingBy wrote:
On July 09 2011 18:13 Kiyo. wrote:
On July 09 2011 17:51 Crisco wrote:
On July 09 2011 17:48 twndomn wrote:
On July 09 2011 17:21 JustPassingBy wrote:
Sen, Select and Darkforce stemming against the overwhelming Korean wave!
(okay, Select is a Korean as well, but he trains outside of Korea and hence represents the non-Korean professional scene, that's what matters to me)


Select talks with a Korean accent, knows Korean, and obviously still is a citizen of Korea. Americans definitely do not identify themselves with Select based on appearance, they prefer Sheth.


doesn't matter that americans identify themselves or not with select... he represents a non-korean scene... which is a fact


So then Huk represents Korea right?



In my understanding, yes.

I don't think that's true though. He is a part of the TL community, takes part in TL Attack and State of the Game... that'd make him part of the foreigner scene?


Okay, there is a need to differ between two things:

belonging to which scene -
you can belong to both Korean and non-Korean scene, no contradiction there

being which nationality (=where he started his progaming career)-
only one nationality, no need to argue on this point

where they are training -
no room to argue here as well

representing which country -
matter of opinion, some people say nationality, some people say where they train.
going after which scene they belong does not make sense in my opinion,
since that is not uniquely determined.

Select is a foreigner because he posts on TL. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=select




Select is not a foreigner but a Korean.He is just like Moon.Select represents the Dawn of War foreign scene whereas Moon represent Warcraft 3 foreign scene.People are so wrong about Select being a foreigner.
Play your best
Bobster
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany3075 Posts
July 09 2011 12:11 GMT
#21482
On July 09 2011 20:23 JustPassingBy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2011 20:16 Lorizean wrote:
On July 09 2011 20:14 JustPassingBy wrote:
On July 09 2011 18:13 Kiyo. wrote:
On July 09 2011 17:51 Crisco wrote:
On July 09 2011 17:48 twndomn wrote:
On July 09 2011 17:21 JustPassingBy wrote:
Sen, Select and Darkforce stemming against the overwhelming Korean wave!
(okay, Select is a Korean as well, but he trains outside of Korea and hence represents the non-Korean professional scene, that's what matters to me)


Select talks with a Korean accent, knows Korean, and obviously still is a citizen of Korea. Americans definitely do not identify themselves with Select based on appearance, they prefer Sheth.


doesn't matter that americans identify themselves or not with select... he represents a non-korean scene... which is a fact


So then Huk represents Korea right?



In my understanding, yes.

I don't think that's true though. He is a part of the TL community, takes part in TL Attack and State of the Game... that'd make him part of the foreigner scene?


Okay, there is a need to differ between two things:

belonging to which scene -
you can belong to both Korean and non-Korean scene, no contradiction there

being which nationality (=where he started his progaming career)-
only one nationality, no need to argue on this point

where they are training -
no room to argue here as well

representing which country -
matter of opinion, some people say nationality, some people say where they train.
going after which scene they belong does not make sense in my opinion,
since that is not uniquely determined.

Nice summary.

And the bolded is really the crux of the whole discussion. And I obviously agree with you.

Some people seem to believe that you simply represent the country you're living in, which is just absolutely unacceptable and not done like this in any sport, e- or otherwise.
ShootingStars
Profile Joined August 2010
1475 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-09 12:12:40
July 09 2011 12:12 GMT
#21483
single elimination is the worst way to plan a tourney -_-
could of had matches DURING the damned hour breaks
Bobster
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany3075 Posts
July 09 2011 12:13 GMT
#21484
On July 09 2011 20:53 T.O.P. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2011 20:23 JustPassingBy wrote:
On July 09 2011 20:16 Lorizean wrote:
On July 09 2011 20:14 JustPassingBy wrote:
On July 09 2011 18:13 Kiyo. wrote:
On July 09 2011 17:51 Crisco wrote:
On July 09 2011 17:48 twndomn wrote:
On July 09 2011 17:21 JustPassingBy wrote:
Sen, Select and Darkforce stemming against the overwhelming Korean wave!
(okay, Select is a Korean as well, but he trains outside of Korea and hence represents the non-Korean professional scene, that's what matters to me)


Select talks with a Korean accent, knows Korean, and obviously still is a citizen of Korea. Americans definitely do not identify themselves with Select based on appearance, they prefer Sheth.


doesn't matter that americans identify themselves or not with select... he represents a non-korean scene... which is a fact


So then Huk represents Korea right?



In my understanding, yes.

I don't think that's true though. He is a part of the TL community, takes part in TL Attack and State of the Game... that'd make him part of the foreigner scene?


Okay, there is a need to differ between two things:

belonging to which scene -
you can belong to both Korean and non-Korean scene, no contradiction there

being which nationality (=where he started his progaming career)-
only one nationality, no need to argue on this point

where they are training -
no room to argue here as well

representing which country -
matter of opinion, some people say nationality, some people say where they train.
going after which scene they belong does not make sense in my opinion,
since that is not uniquely determined.

Select is a foreigner because he posts on TL. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=select
Quite possibly the stupidest method of classification I've ever seen. :lol

SlayerSJessica is also a "foreigner", apparently. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=jelly365
Titorelli
Profile Joined March 2011
2492 Posts
July 09 2011 12:13 GMT
#21485
Can someone pls sum up the Whitera vs Select games?
"Everybody poops.... after Tasteless kills them" Artosis
Rococo
Profile Joined May 2011
United States331 Posts
July 09 2011 12:13 GMT
#21486
Despite all the problems in the production, waking up fresh this morning my most sour memory of yesterday is probably the crowd's obnoxious reaction to Zenio. Hopefully today there will be less "CHEER IF YOU WANT THE KOREAN TO LOSE!" pandering from the casters.
JoelB
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany311 Posts
July 09 2011 12:15 GMT
#21487
are those people sill arguing about who/what/when you are a foreigner and who is / is not? Whats wrong with you? seriously ... this is more annoying then balance whines because somehow every LR thread turns into those discussions .... there should be some rules against that asap ...
Baituri
Profile Joined June 2010
Netherlands1501 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-09 12:17:33
July 09 2011 12:15 GMT
#21488
On July 09 2011 20:49 mTw|NarutO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2011 20:33 Termit wrote:
Anyone here ever played a ESL lan event or watched IEM and seen that bitch of a production leader running around screaming on everyone what to do? Yes, she is a bitch but she is keeping things going and you need that.


Do you know her? I guess not, otherwise you would not speak about her in this way. She's doing an amazing job and sometimes you have to make your point a bit more clear so everyone understands..

what the fuck is wrong with you calling her a bitch because of that-_-; retard seriously.

I don't think you get the point he is trying to make. Maybe he shouldn't called her a bitch. But that is how most people will see her from an outsiders perspective. Production leaders are most of the time screaming at people so everything will be awesome for the viewers. And that is what he is trying to say. If you also read his entire post instead of only focussing on the word "Bitch" you would see he is saying that she is doing an amazing job.

Also, when calling other people a retard, you should make sure you are reading his post right. Because now you look really dumb.
OKMarius
Profile Joined October 2010
Norway469 Posts
July 09 2011 12:20 GMT
#21489
On July 09 2011 20:37 Eufouria wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2011 17:48 twndomn wrote:
On July 09 2011 17:21 JustPassingBy wrote:
Sen, Select and Darkforce stemming against the overwhelming Korean wave!
(okay, Select is a Korean as well, but he trains outside of Korea and hence represents the non-Korean professional scene, that's what matters to me)


Select talks with a Korean accent, knows Korean, and obviously still is a citizen of Korea. Americans definitely do not identify themselves with Select based on appearance, they prefer Sheth.

Contrary to popular belief, the source of Selects fast hands is not the fact that he is Korean. Whether he identifies himself as from is irrelevant to this because he trains and plays in NA, so he represents the NA scene.


He's Korean, and has benefited as a progamer from living there and practising for years in rts-games vs other koreans. So the source of his fast hands could very well be said to be his korean background. He was a progamer before he moved to the US. (Played for Sk.korea in wc3)

Imo it's nonsense starting to call Huk Korean, Select American etc. Your nationality is your nationality no matter where you practise. Lionel Messi isn't spanish because he plays for Barcelona.

TheOneAboveU
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Germany3367 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-09 12:23:14
July 09 2011 12:21 GMT
#21490
On July 09 2011 21:15 JoelB wrote:
are those people sill arguing about who/what/when you are a foreigner and who is / is not? Whats wrong with you? seriously ... this is more annoying then balance whines because somehow every LR thread turns into those discussions .... there should be some rules against that asap ...


yeah thats right.
what counts is, that the players know for which country they want to play and they´re fighting for.
let themselves decide what they are and for what their heart is beating.. we all got nothing to decide here..
Moderatoralias TripleM | @TL_TripleM | Big Dark Energy!
TheSwamp
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1497 Posts
July 09 2011 12:21 GMT
#21491
Wow, I just came here to say that reddit was acting like a bunch of whiny little assholes, and what do I find?
MLG: How is your Protoss? Idra: I make Blink Stalkers, so really, really good.
Bobster
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany3075 Posts
July 09 2011 12:21 GMT
#21492
20000+ replies, I think this event has been a success for NASL. Even if 19000 are complaining about the amateurish production.

Remember, there's no such thing as bad publicity.

oh wait yes there is

NASL possibly lost a lot of subscribers with this first day. Good thing people on the internet have a bad short term memory and will forget this shit quickly when day 2 and 3 deliver. Pressure's on NASL!
Bobster
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany3075 Posts
July 09 2011 12:22 GMT
#21493
On July 09 2011 21:21 TheSwamp wrote:
Wow, I just came here to say that reddit was acting like a bunch of whiny little assholes, and what do I find?
The same people posting on two different websites.
Baituri
Profile Joined June 2010
Netherlands1501 Posts
July 09 2011 12:24 GMT
#21494
On July 09 2011 21:21 Bobster wrote:
20000+ replies, I think this event has been a success for NASL. Even if 19000 are complaining about the amateurish production.

Remember, there's no such thing as bad publicity.

oh wait yes there is

NASL possibly lost a lot of subscribers with this first day. Good thing people on the internet have a bad short term memory and will forget this shit quickly when day 2 and 3 deliver. Pressure's on NASL!

No not really. To me it seems they still can't hold an event. I waited the first season to hope it would be better. But it did not. Even if the 2 day after this are awesome, they still did not prove to be considered one of the major e-sport events like MLG, IEM or DreamHack.
FairForever
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada2392 Posts
July 09 2011 12:25 GMT
#21495
On July 09 2011 21:08 FakeDeath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2011 20:53 T.O.P. wrote:
On July 09 2011 20:23 JustPassingBy wrote:
On July 09 2011 20:16 Lorizean wrote:
On July 09 2011 20:14 JustPassingBy wrote:
On July 09 2011 18:13 Kiyo. wrote:
On July 09 2011 17:51 Crisco wrote:
On July 09 2011 17:48 twndomn wrote:
On July 09 2011 17:21 JustPassingBy wrote:
Sen, Select and Darkforce stemming against the overwhelming Korean wave!
(okay, Select is a Korean as well, but he trains outside of Korea and hence represents the non-Korean professional scene, that's what matters to me)


Select talks with a Korean accent, knows Korean, and obviously still is a citizen of Korea. Americans definitely do not identify themselves with Select based on appearance, they prefer Sheth.


doesn't matter that americans identify themselves or not with select... he represents a non-korean scene... which is a fact


So then Huk represents Korea right?



In my understanding, yes.

I don't think that's true though. He is a part of the TL community, takes part in TL Attack and State of the Game... that'd make him part of the foreigner scene?


Okay, there is a need to differ between two things:

belonging to which scene -
you can belong to both Korean and non-Korean scene, no contradiction there

being which nationality (=where he started his progaming career)-
only one nationality, no need to argue on this point

where they are training -
no room to argue here as well

representing which country -
matter of opinion, some people say nationality, some people say where they train.
going after which scene they belong does not make sense in my opinion,
since that is not uniquely determined.

Select is a foreigner because he posts on TL. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=select




Select is not a foreigner but a Korean.He is just like Moon.Select represents the Dawn of War foreign scene whereas Moon represent Warcraft 3 foreign scene.People are so wrong about Select being a foreigner.


I don't really care, but the people calling him a Korean now were calling him a foreigner during MLG Columbus when he went 0-5 in BO3 series in the group play. They said Koreans were "dominating" and quoting 20-3 or something, conveniently ignoring Select and Moonan. If you include the records of the latter two the Koreans' records weren't nearly as flattering.
Baituri
Profile Joined June 2010
Netherlands1501 Posts
July 09 2011 12:27 GMT
#21496
On July 09 2011 21:25 FairForever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2011 21:08 FakeDeath wrote:
On July 09 2011 20:53 T.O.P. wrote:
On July 09 2011 20:23 JustPassingBy wrote:
On July 09 2011 20:16 Lorizean wrote:
On July 09 2011 20:14 JustPassingBy wrote:
On July 09 2011 18:13 Kiyo. wrote:
On July 09 2011 17:51 Crisco wrote:
On July 09 2011 17:48 twndomn wrote:
On July 09 2011 17:21 JustPassingBy wrote:
Sen, Select and Darkforce stemming against the overwhelming Korean wave!
(okay, Select is a Korean as well, but he trains outside of Korea and hence represents the non-Korean professional scene, that's what matters to me)


Select talks with a Korean accent, knows Korean, and obviously still is a citizen of Korea. Americans definitely do not identify themselves with Select based on appearance, they prefer Sheth.


doesn't matter that americans identify themselves or not with select... he represents a non-korean scene... which is a fact


So then Huk represents Korea right?



In my understanding, yes.

I don't think that's true though. He is a part of the TL community, takes part in TL Attack and State of the Game... that'd make him part of the foreigner scene?


Okay, there is a need to differ between two things:

belonging to which scene -
you can belong to both Korean and non-Korean scene, no contradiction there

being which nationality (=where he started his progaming career)-
only one nationality, no need to argue on this point

where they are training -
no room to argue here as well

representing which country -
matter of opinion, some people say nationality, some people say where they train.
going after which scene they belong does not make sense in my opinion,
since that is not uniquely determined.

Select is a foreigner because he posts on TL. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=select




Select is not a foreigner but a Korean.He is just like Moon.Select represents the Dawn of War foreign scene whereas Moon represent Warcraft 3 foreign scene.People are so wrong about Select being a foreigner.


I don't really care, but the people calling him a Korean now were calling him a foreigner during MLG Columbus when he went 0-5 in BO3 series in the group play. They said Koreans were "dominating" and quoting 20-3 or something, conveniently ignoring Select and Moonan. If you include the records of the latter two the Koreans' records weren't nearly as flattering.


It is always like that. People want to be right all the time, so they change some facts to make it happen... When it favors them that Select is a Korean he is a Korean, when it favors them he isn't a Korean he isn't a Korean.

You are the nationality what is written in your passport. Nothing difficult about that.
SafeAsCheese
Profile Joined June 2011
United States4924 Posts
July 09 2011 12:28 GMT
#21497
On July 09 2011 21:21 TheSwamp wrote:
Wow, I just came here to say that reddit was acting like a bunch of whiny little assholes, and what do I find?


Lol holier than thou

Reddit is just where people say what they really feel without risk of being banned.
Rici
Profile Joined February 2011
Hungary11 Posts
July 09 2011 12:35 GMT
#21498
who won the mc vs boxer match?
Zanno
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1484 Posts
July 09 2011 12:38 GMT
#21499
On July 09 2011 21:35 Rici wrote:
who won the mc vs boxer match?

i think you can find out if you look here
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10178003
aaaaa
LetoAtreides82
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1188 Posts
July 09 2011 12:38 GMT
#21500
On July 09 2011 21:20 OKMarius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2011 20:37 Eufouria wrote:
On July 09 2011 17:48 twndomn wrote:
On July 09 2011 17:21 JustPassingBy wrote:
Sen, Select and Darkforce stemming against the overwhelming Korean wave!
(okay, Select is a Korean as well, but he trains outside of Korea and hence represents the non-Korean professional scene, that's what matters to me)


Select talks with a Korean accent, knows Korean, and obviously still is a citizen of Korea. Americans definitely do not identify themselves with Select based on appearance, they prefer Sheth.

Contrary to popular belief, the source of Selects fast hands is not the fact that he is Korean. Whether he identifies himself as from is irrelevant to this because he trains and plays in NA, so he represents the NA scene.


He's Korean, and has benefited as a progamer from living there and practising for years in rts-games vs other koreans. So the source of his fast hands could very well be said to be his korean background. He was a progamer before he moved to the US. (Played for Sk.korea in wc3)

Imo it's nonsense starting to call Huk Korean, Select American etc. Your nationality is your nationality no matter where you practise. Lionel Messi isn't spanish because he plays for Barcelona.



I think you meant to say "your genetics are your genetics no matter where you practice." If a Korean woman and a Korean man make a Korean baby in Ireland, and that Korean baby lives his life in Ireland, he will always be Korean no matter what. Sure he will be an Ireland citizen, but he's Korean and always will be.
The spice must flow
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