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On July 09 2011 20:53 T.O.P. wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2011 20:23 JustPassingBy wrote:On July 09 2011 20:16 Lorizean wrote:On July 09 2011 20:14 JustPassingBy wrote:On July 09 2011 18:13 Kiyo. wrote:On July 09 2011 17:51 Crisco wrote:On July 09 2011 17:48 twndomn wrote:On July 09 2011 17:21 JustPassingBy wrote: Sen, Select and Darkforce stemming against the overwhelming Korean wave! (okay, Select is a Korean as well, but he trains outside of Korea and hence represents the non-Korean professional scene, that's what matters to me) Select talks with a Korean accent, knows Korean, and obviously still is a citizen of Korea. Americans definitely do not identify themselves with Select based on appearance, they prefer Sheth. doesn't matter that americans identify themselves or not with select... he represents a non-korean scene... which is a fact So then Huk represents Korea right? In my understanding, yes. I don't think that's true though. He is a part of the TL community, takes part in TL Attack and State of the Game... that'd make him part of the foreigner scene? Okay, there is a need to differ between two things: belonging to which scene - you can belong to both Korean and non-Korean scene, no contradiction there being which nationality (=where he started his progaming career)- only one nationality, no need to argue on this point where they are training - no room to argue here as well representing which country - matter of opinion, some people say nationality, some people say where they train. going after which scene they belong does not make sense in my opinion, since that is not uniquely determined. Select is a foreigner because he posts on TL. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=select
Select is not a foreigner but a Korean.He is just like Moon.Select represents the Dawn of War foreign scene whereas Moon represent Warcraft 3 foreign scene.People are so wrong about Select being a foreigner.
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On July 09 2011 20:23 JustPassingBy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2011 20:16 Lorizean wrote:On July 09 2011 20:14 JustPassingBy wrote:On July 09 2011 18:13 Kiyo. wrote:On July 09 2011 17:51 Crisco wrote:On July 09 2011 17:48 twndomn wrote:On July 09 2011 17:21 JustPassingBy wrote: Sen, Select and Darkforce stemming against the overwhelming Korean wave! (okay, Select is a Korean as well, but he trains outside of Korea and hence represents the non-Korean professional scene, that's what matters to me) Select talks with a Korean accent, knows Korean, and obviously still is a citizen of Korea. Americans definitely do not identify themselves with Select based on appearance, they prefer Sheth. doesn't matter that americans identify themselves or not with select... he represents a non-korean scene... which is a fact So then Huk represents Korea right? In my understanding, yes. I don't think that's true though. He is a part of the TL community, takes part in TL Attack and State of the Game... that'd make him part of the foreigner scene? Okay, there is a need to differ between two things: belonging to which scene - you can belong to both Korean and non-Korean scene, no contradiction there being which nationality (=where he started his progaming career)- only one nationality, no need to argue on this point where they are training - no room to argue here as well representing which country - matter of opinion, some people say nationality, some people say where they train. going after which scene they belong does not make sense in my opinion, since that is not uniquely determined. Nice summary.
And the bolded is really the crux of the whole discussion. And I obviously agree with you.
Some people seem to believe that you simply represent the country you're living in, which is just absolutely unacceptable and not done like this in any sport, e- or otherwise.
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single elimination is the worst way to plan a tourney -_- could of had matches DURING the damned hour breaks
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On July 09 2011 20:53 T.O.P. wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2011 20:23 JustPassingBy wrote:On July 09 2011 20:16 Lorizean wrote:On July 09 2011 20:14 JustPassingBy wrote:On July 09 2011 18:13 Kiyo. wrote:On July 09 2011 17:51 Crisco wrote:On July 09 2011 17:48 twndomn wrote:On July 09 2011 17:21 JustPassingBy wrote: Sen, Select and Darkforce stemming against the overwhelming Korean wave! (okay, Select is a Korean as well, but he trains outside of Korea and hence represents the non-Korean professional scene, that's what matters to me) Select talks with a Korean accent, knows Korean, and obviously still is a citizen of Korea. Americans definitely do not identify themselves with Select based on appearance, they prefer Sheth. doesn't matter that americans identify themselves or not with select... he represents a non-korean scene... which is a fact So then Huk represents Korea right? In my understanding, yes. I don't think that's true though. He is a part of the TL community, takes part in TL Attack and State of the Game... that'd make him part of the foreigner scene? Okay, there is a need to differ between two things: belonging to which scene - you can belong to both Korean and non-Korean scene, no contradiction there being which nationality (=where he started his progaming career)- only one nationality, no need to argue on this point where they are training - no room to argue here as well representing which country - matter of opinion, some people say nationality, some people say where they train. going after which scene they belong does not make sense in my opinion, since that is not uniquely determined. Select is a foreigner because he posts on TL. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=select Quite possibly the stupidest method of classification I've ever seen. :lol
SlayerSJessica is also a "foreigner", apparently. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=jelly365
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Can someone pls sum up the Whitera vs Select games?
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Despite all the problems in the production, waking up fresh this morning my most sour memory of yesterday is probably the crowd's obnoxious reaction to Zenio. Hopefully today there will be less "CHEER IF YOU WANT THE KOREAN TO LOSE!" pandering from the casters.
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are those people sill arguing about who/what/when you are a foreigner and who is / is not? Whats wrong with you? seriously ... this is more annoying then balance whines because somehow every LR thread turns into those discussions .... there should be some rules against that asap ...
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On July 09 2011 20:49 mTw|NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2011 20:33 Termit wrote: Anyone here ever played a ESL lan event or watched IEM and seen that bitch of a production leader running around screaming on everyone what to do? Yes, she is a bitch but she is keeping things going and you need that.
Do you know her? I guess not, otherwise you would not speak about her in this way. She's doing an amazing job and sometimes you have to make your point a bit more clear so everyone understands.. what the fuck is wrong with you calling her a bitch because of that-_-; retard seriously. I don't think you get the point he is trying to make. Maybe he shouldn't called her a bitch. But that is how most people will see her from an outsiders perspective. Production leaders are most of the time screaming at people so everything will be awesome for the viewers. And that is what he is trying to say. If you also read his entire post instead of only focussing on the word "Bitch" you would see he is saying that she is doing an amazing job.
Also, when calling other people a retard, you should make sure you are reading his post right. Because now you look really dumb.
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On July 09 2011 20:37 Eufouria wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2011 17:48 twndomn wrote:On July 09 2011 17:21 JustPassingBy wrote: Sen, Select and Darkforce stemming against the overwhelming Korean wave! (okay, Select is a Korean as well, but he trains outside of Korea and hence represents the non-Korean professional scene, that's what matters to me) Select talks with a Korean accent, knows Korean, and obviously still is a citizen of Korea. Americans definitely do not identify themselves with Select based on appearance, they prefer Sheth. Contrary to popular belief, the source of Selects fast hands is not the fact that he is Korean. Whether he identifies himself as from is irrelevant to this because he trains and plays in NA, so he represents the NA scene.
He's Korean, and has benefited as a progamer from living there and practising for years in rts-games vs other koreans. So the source of his fast hands could very well be said to be his korean background. He was a progamer before he moved to the US. (Played for Sk.korea in wc3)
Imo it's nonsense starting to call Huk Korean, Select American etc. Your nationality is your nationality no matter where you practise. Lionel Messi isn't spanish because he plays for Barcelona.
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On July 09 2011 21:15 JoelB wrote: are those people sill arguing about who/what/when you are a foreigner and who is / is not? Whats wrong with you? seriously ... this is more annoying then balance whines because somehow every LR thread turns into those discussions .... there should be some rules against that asap ...
yeah thats right. what counts is, that the players know for which country they want to play and they´re fighting for. let themselves decide what they are and for what their heart is beating.. we all got nothing to decide here..
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Wow, I just came here to say that reddit was acting like a bunch of whiny little assholes, and what do I find?
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20000+ replies, I think this event has been a success for NASL. Even if 19000 are complaining about the amateurish production.
Remember, there's no such thing as bad publicity.
oh wait yes there is
NASL possibly lost a lot of subscribers with this first day. Good thing people on the internet have a bad short term memory and will forget this shit quickly when day 2 and 3 deliver. Pressure's on NASL!
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On July 09 2011 21:21 TheSwamp wrote: Wow, I just came here to say that reddit was acting like a bunch of whiny little assholes, and what do I find? The same people posting on two different websites.
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On July 09 2011 21:21 Bobster wrote: 20000+ replies, I think this event has been a success for NASL. Even if 19000 are complaining about the amateurish production.
Remember, there's no such thing as bad publicity.
oh wait yes there is
NASL possibly lost a lot of subscribers with this first day. Good thing people on the internet have a bad short term memory and will forget this shit quickly when day 2 and 3 deliver. Pressure's on NASL! No not really. To me it seems they still can't hold an event. I waited the first season to hope it would be better. But it did not. Even if the 2 day after this are awesome, they still did not prove to be considered one of the major e-sport events like MLG, IEM or DreamHack.
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On July 09 2011 21:08 FakeDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2011 20:53 T.O.P. wrote:On July 09 2011 20:23 JustPassingBy wrote:On July 09 2011 20:16 Lorizean wrote:On July 09 2011 20:14 JustPassingBy wrote:On July 09 2011 18:13 Kiyo. wrote:On July 09 2011 17:51 Crisco wrote:On July 09 2011 17:48 twndomn wrote:On July 09 2011 17:21 JustPassingBy wrote: Sen, Select and Darkforce stemming against the overwhelming Korean wave! (okay, Select is a Korean as well, but he trains outside of Korea and hence represents the non-Korean professional scene, that's what matters to me) Select talks with a Korean accent, knows Korean, and obviously still is a citizen of Korea. Americans definitely do not identify themselves with Select based on appearance, they prefer Sheth. doesn't matter that americans identify themselves or not with select... he represents a non-korean scene... which is a fact So then Huk represents Korea right? In my understanding, yes. I don't think that's true though. He is a part of the TL community, takes part in TL Attack and State of the Game... that'd make him part of the foreigner scene? Okay, there is a need to differ between two things: belonging to which scene - you can belong to both Korean and non-Korean scene, no contradiction there being which nationality (=where he started his progaming career)- only one nationality, no need to argue on this point where they are training - no room to argue here as well representing which country - matter of opinion, some people say nationality, some people say where they train. going after which scene they belong does not make sense in my opinion, since that is not uniquely determined. Select is a foreigner because he posts on TL. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=select Select is not a foreigner but a Korean.He is just like Moon.Select represents the Dawn of War foreign scene whereas Moon represent Warcraft 3 foreign scene.People are so wrong about Select being a foreigner.
I don't really care, but the people calling him a Korean now were calling him a foreigner during MLG Columbus when he went 0-5 in BO3 series in the group play. They said Koreans were "dominating" and quoting 20-3 or something, conveniently ignoring Select and Moonan. If you include the records of the latter two the Koreans' records weren't nearly as flattering.
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On July 09 2011 21:25 FairForever wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2011 21:08 FakeDeath wrote:On July 09 2011 20:53 T.O.P. wrote:On July 09 2011 20:23 JustPassingBy wrote:On July 09 2011 20:16 Lorizean wrote:On July 09 2011 20:14 JustPassingBy wrote:On July 09 2011 18:13 Kiyo. wrote:On July 09 2011 17:51 Crisco wrote:On July 09 2011 17:48 twndomn wrote:On July 09 2011 17:21 JustPassingBy wrote: Sen, Select and Darkforce stemming against the overwhelming Korean wave! (okay, Select is a Korean as well, but he trains outside of Korea and hence represents the non-Korean professional scene, that's what matters to me) Select talks with a Korean accent, knows Korean, and obviously still is a citizen of Korea. Americans definitely do not identify themselves with Select based on appearance, they prefer Sheth. doesn't matter that americans identify themselves or not with select... he represents a non-korean scene... which is a fact So then Huk represents Korea right? In my understanding, yes. I don't think that's true though. He is a part of the TL community, takes part in TL Attack and State of the Game... that'd make him part of the foreigner scene? Okay, there is a need to differ between two things: belonging to which scene - you can belong to both Korean and non-Korean scene, no contradiction there being which nationality (=where he started his progaming career)- only one nationality, no need to argue on this point where they are training - no room to argue here as well representing which country - matter of opinion, some people say nationality, some people say where they train. going after which scene they belong does not make sense in my opinion, since that is not uniquely determined. Select is a foreigner because he posts on TL. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=select Select is not a foreigner but a Korean.He is just like Moon.Select represents the Dawn of War foreign scene whereas Moon represent Warcraft 3 foreign scene.People are so wrong about Select being a foreigner. I don't really care, but the people calling him a Korean now were calling him a foreigner during MLG Columbus when he went 0-5 in BO3 series in the group play. They said Koreans were "dominating" and quoting 20-3 or something, conveniently ignoring Select and Moonan. If you include the records of the latter two the Koreans' records weren't nearly as flattering.
It is always like that. People want to be right all the time, so they change some facts to make it happen... When it favors them that Select is a Korean he is a Korean, when it favors them he isn't a Korean he isn't a Korean.
You are the nationality what is written in your passport. Nothing difficult about that.
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On July 09 2011 21:21 TheSwamp wrote: Wow, I just came here to say that reddit was acting like a bunch of whiny little assholes, and what do I find?
Lol holier than thou
Reddit is just where people say what they really feel without risk of being banned.
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who won the mc vs boxer match?
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On July 09 2011 21:20 OKMarius wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2011 20:37 Eufouria wrote:On July 09 2011 17:48 twndomn wrote:On July 09 2011 17:21 JustPassingBy wrote: Sen, Select and Darkforce stemming against the overwhelming Korean wave! (okay, Select is a Korean as well, but he trains outside of Korea and hence represents the non-Korean professional scene, that's what matters to me) Select talks with a Korean accent, knows Korean, and obviously still is a citizen of Korea. Americans definitely do not identify themselves with Select based on appearance, they prefer Sheth. Contrary to popular belief, the source of Selects fast hands is not the fact that he is Korean. Whether he identifies himself as from is irrelevant to this because he trains and plays in NA, so he represents the NA scene. He's Korean, and has benefited as a progamer from living there and practising for years in rts-games vs other koreans. So the source of his fast hands could very well be said to be his korean background. He was a progamer before he moved to the US. (Played for Sk.korea in wc3) Imo it's nonsense starting to call Huk Korean, Select American etc. Your nationality is your nationality no matter where you practise. Lionel Messi isn't spanish because he plays for Barcelona.
I think you meant to say "your genetics are your genetics no matter where you practice." If a Korean woman and a Korean man make a Korean baby in Ireland, and that Korean baby lives his life in Ireland, he will always be Korean no matter what. Sure he will be an Ireland citizen, but he's Korean and always will be.
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