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fant0m
Profile Joined May 2010
964 Posts
July 09 2011 11:22 GMT
#21461
On July 09 2011 20:16 Lorizean wrote:
I don't think that's true though. He is a part of the TL community, takes part in TL Attack and State of the Game... that'd make him part of the foreigner scene?


The "oGs-TL" Korean progaming team would disagree with you there.
niekoz
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands350 Posts
July 09 2011 11:22 GMT
#21462
I can't make a new thread for Day 2 cuz I have to work.
Well I can make it but not keep it updated..mayb someone else can
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-09 11:26:17
July 09 2011 11:23 GMT
#21463
On July 09 2011 20:16 Lorizean wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2011 20:14 JustPassingBy wrote:
On July 09 2011 18:13 Kiyo. wrote:
On July 09 2011 17:51 Crisco wrote:
On July 09 2011 17:48 twndomn wrote:
On July 09 2011 17:21 JustPassingBy wrote:
Sen, Select and Darkforce stemming against the overwhelming Korean wave!
(okay, Select is a Korean as well, but he trains outside of Korea and hence represents the non-Korean professional scene, that's what matters to me)


Select talks with a Korean accent, knows Korean, and obviously still is a citizen of Korea. Americans definitely do not identify themselves with Select based on appearance, they prefer Sheth.


doesn't matter that americans identify themselves or not with select... he represents a non-korean scene... which is a fact


So then Huk represents Korea right?



In my understanding, yes.

I don't think that's true though. He is a part of the TL community, takes part in TL Attack and State of the Game... that'd make him part of the foreigner scene?


Okay, there is a need to differ between two things:

belonging to which scene -
you can belong to both Korean and non-Korean scene, no contradiction there

being which nationality (=where he started his progaming career)-
only one nationality, no need to argue on this point

where they are training -
no room to argue here as well

representing which country -
matter of opinion, some people say nationality, some people say where they train.
going after which scene they belong does not make sense in my opinion,
since that is not uniquely determined.
Mastaful
Profile Joined May 2011
United Kingdom7 Posts
July 09 2011 11:29 GMT
#21464
Tbh as soon as day9 started casting and then Tastosis, i forgot all about the shit poor production, the casters profecionalism made it for me, games were great, breaks were shit but just made sure i had something to do inbetween so i wasnt sitting there pissed off. Admitedly if it wasnt for the casters i probably would not have stayed watching.

However, a few hours in they were already making improvements based on feedback: better interview organisation, better observer, etc. Im sure season 2 will be much better, no live event is flawlsess from the start.

I was a bit dissapointed, and i was expecting more a tournamnet with such a high prize pool, but i will continue supporting the NASL, for esports!! :p

For the Swarm!
Zero.Tha.Hero
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada155 Posts
July 09 2011 11:31 GMT
#21465
I'm just happy for once to see 4z make it to the Ro8.. even if they're all stuck in mirrors!
MentalGNT
Profile Joined January 2011
Denmark1264 Posts
July 09 2011 11:31 GMT
#21466
I'm positively surprised by Darkforce's results.

They should get him another stripper to celebrate.
What a player
Karakaxe
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden585 Posts
July 09 2011 11:33 GMT
#21467
On July 09 2011 19:47 Schnullerbacke13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2011 19:28 graNite wrote:
When you pay 25$ for a live event, you can expect much more production value.

Is there any statement from nasl management?


then don't buy it and go watch TV .. nobody is interested in any more production QQ


But... it's probably the worst production of any big event in SC2?

Should we not QQ? Should we say; Keep it up, great work, you're doing fantastic! When in fact it's extremely dissapointing?

Alot of people care and want a better tournament than this, hence the waves of hate. Though there are more or less constructive posts about it ofcourse.
Sword of Omens, give me sight beyond sight.
Termit
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden3466 Posts
July 09 2011 11:33 GMT
#21468
Well, here is my take on things last night.

The awful delay was just horrible but hey, it's esports and I'm used to it, but the worst thing was iNcontroL saying around 20:00 CET "We have som delay blablaba be right back", ok cool. 2.5 hours later nothing had happened and we had heard nothing from NASL about whats going on. - THAT IS NOT OKAY. Did they not learn anything from MLG Dallas when pretty much same thing happened there? Or did they miss MLG Dallas?

The highlight videos between matches was pretty bad. Bad situations, bad font on the text, WAY TO LONG. Oh, and they were a bit laggy for me on 360p.

The sound problems were just awful and after 3 matches they still didn't fix the thing where you had more/higher sound in your right ear than your left. No ingame sound, wierd sound on casters and you could even hear mouse clicks from them, I mean... cmon. Did they fix this later on or?

The video with observers, colours and things like that was painful too. First of all, was it some kind of auto-observer from the game that was the observer before TheGunRun stepped in or what? Because it was just scrolling all over the map without showing health bars and shit...
The colours was waaaaaaaay to dark. I guess they wanted some kind of dark and shiny effect but imo it looked so fucknig depressing and that gloomy/shiny effect was so annoying and bad. What's wrong with having normal lighting on your maps like in GSL and every other event and streams out there? -_-

The booths were ridiculous. They looked to be homemade by some kid in his own garage. Pretty bad interviews till Seltzer came up but the damage was already done. 1 hour lunch break when you are over 2 hours behind is bad bad bad. I mean, there is 2 players playing at a time and you have a bunch of casters so players and casters can eat backstage if they really needed too.

OK HERE IS THE BIGGEST ISSUE FOR ME THAT MADE ME A BIT ANGRY:
After the games, no one knew what to fucking do or where to go, they all looked so lost it was painful to watch. YOU NEED SOME KIND OF A PRODUCTION LEADER. Anyone here ever played a ESL lan event or watched IEM and seen that bitch of a production leader running around screaming on everyone what to do? Yes, she is a bitch but she is keeping things going and you need that. You either need someone like her so everyone knows what to do or you need to go thru that before the event is starting.

After the games where foreigners lost bias iNcontroL was like "OK GIVE IT UP TO RET FOR HIS AMAZING RUN IN THE NASL!!!!!" and everyone was cheering for Ret WHO LOST THE GAME, NO ONE WAS GIVING A SHIT ABOUT PUMA WHO ACTUALLY WON THE GAME?? wtf how horrible isn't that?

I don't know if stuff got better but when they did that 1 hour break I went to bed.

Pros:
The hype and the player intro with the players when they did cool posès, that was actually nice.

I was really hyped and pumped about this event but everything I saw made me think about the horrible Clash of the Titans back before they announced NASL. Also, free 360p, how nice of you NASL. Even the games I saw was bad.

( ̄。 ̄)~zzz ◕ ◡ ◕
KadaverBB
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany25658 Posts
July 09 2011 11:34 GMT
#21469
i wasnt able to watch boxer vs mc, it was just to late for me here.
were the games good, in any way close? how did it go ? ^^
AdministratorLaws change depending on who's making them, but justice is justice
Eufouria
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom4425 Posts
July 09 2011 11:37 GMT
#21470
On July 09 2011 17:48 twndomn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2011 17:21 JustPassingBy wrote:
Sen, Select and Darkforce stemming against the overwhelming Korean wave!
(okay, Select is a Korean as well, but he trains outside of Korea and hence represents the non-Korean professional scene, that's what matters to me)


Select talks with a Korean accent, knows Korean, and obviously still is a citizen of Korea. Americans definitely do not identify themselves with Select based on appearance, they prefer Sheth.

Contrary to popular belief, the source of Selects fast hands is not the fact that he is Korean. Whether he identifies himself as from is irrelevant to this because he trains and plays in NA, so he represents the NA scene.

My biggest complaint about this event is the lack of double elimination. We'd get more games if it was, and flying Boxer out for him to lose first round would seem less wasteful.
MCMXVI
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway1193 Posts
July 09 2011 11:45 GMT
#21471
On July 09 2011 20:33 Termit wrote:
I don't know if stuff got better but when they did that 1 hour break I went to bed.

Well, the audio was switched from right to left Oh, and at one point they had a 10-15 minute period with echo'ing sound
In capitalist America, bank robs YOU!
eXNewB
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada291 Posts
July 09 2011 11:45 GMT
#21472
I hope darkforce wins the whole thing! Way to be the only white guy to advance!
THERES NO WAY HE CAN STOP THOSE HYDRAS!
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
July 09 2011 11:49 GMT
#21473
On July 09 2011 20:33 Termit wrote:
Anyone here ever played a ESL lan event or watched IEM and seen that bitch of a production leader running around screaming on everyone what to do? Yes, she is a bitch but she is keeping things going and you need that.


Do you know her? I guess not, otherwise you would not speak about her in this way. She's doing an amazing job and sometimes you have to make your point a bit more clear so everyone understands..

what the fuck is wrong with you calling her a bitch because of that-_-; retard seriously.
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
T.O.P. *
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Hong Kong4685 Posts
July 09 2011 11:53 GMT
#21474
On July 09 2011 20:23 JustPassingBy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2011 20:16 Lorizean wrote:
On July 09 2011 20:14 JustPassingBy wrote:
On July 09 2011 18:13 Kiyo. wrote:
On July 09 2011 17:51 Crisco wrote:
On July 09 2011 17:48 twndomn wrote:
On July 09 2011 17:21 JustPassingBy wrote:
Sen, Select and Darkforce stemming against the overwhelming Korean wave!
(okay, Select is a Korean as well, but he trains outside of Korea and hence represents the non-Korean professional scene, that's what matters to me)


Select talks with a Korean accent, knows Korean, and obviously still is a citizen of Korea. Americans definitely do not identify themselves with Select based on appearance, they prefer Sheth.


doesn't matter that americans identify themselves or not with select... he represents a non-korean scene... which is a fact


So then Huk represents Korea right?



In my understanding, yes.

I don't think that's true though. He is a part of the TL community, takes part in TL Attack and State of the Game... that'd make him part of the foreigner scene?


Okay, there is a need to differ between two things:

belonging to which scene -
you can belong to both Korean and non-Korean scene, no contradiction there

being which nationality (=where he started his progaming career)-
only one nationality, no need to argue on this point

where they are training -
no room to argue here as well

representing which country -
matter of opinion, some people say nationality, some people say where they train.
going after which scene they belong does not make sense in my opinion,
since that is not uniquely determined.

Select is a foreigner because he posts on TL. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=select
Oracle comes in, Scvs go down, never a miscommunication.
LetoAtreides82
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1188 Posts
July 09 2011 11:53 GMT
#21475
On July 09 2011 20:45 eXNewB wrote:
I hope darkforce wins the whole thing! Way to be the only white guy to advance!


I think Alive being the worst Korean player ever has something to do with it.
The spice must flow
EnSky
Profile Joined June 2011
Philippines1003 Posts
July 09 2011 11:53 GMT
#21476
My bet is that MC, Moon, or Sen will take gold.
Logarythm
Profile Joined November 2010
United States264 Posts
July 09 2011 11:55 GMT
#21477
Darkforce Fighting!!!!
Making bad decisions.
EnSky
Profile Joined June 2011
Philippines1003 Posts
July 09 2011 11:57 GMT
#21478
On July 09 2011 20:34 KadaverBB wrote:
i wasnt able to watch boxer vs mc, it was just to late for me here.
were the games good, in any way close? how did it go ? ^^

1st game, MC just ran over Boxer in a short game. In game 2, Boxer put up a fight but MC kept control of the game till the end. MC is just on another level compared to my man Boxer.
Zeroxk
Profile Joined October 2010
Norway1244 Posts
July 09 2011 12:00 GMT
#21479
THe brackets are looking good, hoping for MC vs Puma/MC vs July rematch!
Termit
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden3466 Posts
July 09 2011 12:05 GMT
#21480
On July 09 2011 20:49 mTw|NarutO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2011 20:33 Termit wrote:
Anyone here ever played a ESL lan event or watched IEM and seen that bitch of a production leader running around screaming on everyone what to do? Yes, she is a bitch but she is keeping things going and you need that.


Do you know her? I guess not, otherwise you would not speak about her in this way. She's doing an amazing job and sometimes you have to make your point a bit more clear so everyone understands..

what the fuck is wrong with you calling her a bitch because of that-_-; retard seriously.

Do you know her? I guess you do. As I said, you need someone like her to get things going but when ESL was doing something back at Inferno Online in Stockholm and she was there she was annoying as fuck, yelling and calling out players all the time. I guess she was stressed or something, but she really came out as bitch.

Also, I like how you jump me because I don't know her and I call her a bitch, and then you comes on me with personal attacks and calling me a retard when you don't even know ME. How the fuck does that make any sense?
( ̄。 ̄)~zzz ◕ ◡ ◕
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