EPTIs there any statement from nasl management?
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graNite
Germany4434 Posts
Is there any statement from nasl management? | ||
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eqez
Sweden837 Posts
On July 09 2011 19:18 WhiteWolfx wrote: i think its important that everyone keeps in mind this is NASL's first live event, dont get me wrong... all of the complains are pretty much valid, but you know what, there is nothing that can be done instantly to fix everything - so rather than BMing nasl, just post some constructive non insulting criticism, and then get back to enjoying the broadcast. its not the smoothest event run, and there are a whole bunch of issues, but cmon guys... its incontrol, gretorp, day9, tasteless, artosis + many others that we're talking about here, theyre all putting in a whole bunch of time to try and make this event as good as possible, after its all finished and wrapped up, im 100% sure that theyll "pull an mlg" and really improve for their next event  at least the stream has been up 100% of the time!! and with barely any lag spikes as well.all in all, everyone just chillax and enjoy watching the the casters bring you something which they believe in and they love to be apart of - and also enjoy watching the players, which mostly flew 10 or so hours just to get there to entertain you all, and fight it out for the prestigious number 1 spot in the NASL season 1. thats all, much love <3<3<3 On July 09 2011 16:41 Doctorbeat wrote: The thing is that NASL is compared with all those great quality leagues because it wants to be in that list. If you have $50k prize money, and you want to play with the big boys, you make damn sure to have the same production quality. It's so hard to understand why the prize money is so big, but they couldn't fit a proper audio engineer in the budget. NASL had many options. They could hire professionals unrelated to SC2 scene, or they could even hire the Craftcup guys or iCCup people. Hiring your (girl)friends and buddies does not make things look professional at all. It gives people the impression that you rather have your friends working there than provide the customers with a good product, when the NASL started off with everyone raving about it's huge budget. Imo, if NASL really wanted to start tourneys in SC2 and they wanted to do it with unexperienced people, they'd first have those people as apprentice for a big event so they can learn how it is done. Plus, it would have been far better if NASL started out small. Just small weekly tourneys for <$500. Another thing that undermines professionality is the casting and the interviews. If you have flown Day9 and Tastosis over to your venue, let them cast it. Especially when there has been harsh critiques for your own casters. The questions for the interviews should pertain to the games that have just been played (IE: Why'd you choose to do x against player y?). Instead, the questions were the same ones for pretty much every player, and it was clear the interviewers didn't really know that much about SC2. I'd love to have seen a SC2 player/caster do the interviews (I wouldn't care if inControl or Gretorp would have done that, they'd at least know what to ask). In conclusion, if NASL wants to be a professional and competing league, they need to step it up really fast. When MLG Dallas had it really bad, they improved vastly in a matter of months, and Columbus was a shining beacon of success. If NASL cannot improve within the amount of time that's between S1 and S2, there won't be any viewer base left. | ||
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Serthius
Samoa226 Posts
It's their first attempt at a big live event. Cut them some slack. | ||
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Chessz
United States644 Posts
On July 09 2011 19:18 WhiteWolfx wrote:after its all finished and wrapped up, im 100% sure that theyll "pull an mlg" and really improve for their next event at least the stream has been up 100% of the time!! the only way that's even remotely close to being possible is if they fire their director and producers, audio and video techs and observers and cameramen and their two main casters. so basically cease being NASL | ||
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yScale
41 Posts
Seven Koreans and one Sen | ||
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ProxyKnoxy
United Kingdom2576 Posts
 he practices a lot | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
Darkforce is the man, or is he korean | ||
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WhiteWolfx
Australia66 Posts
On July 09 2011 19:31 Chessz wrote: the problems people are complaining about right now having been consistent almost all season. Look at Jibba's post. the only way that's even remotely close to being possible is if they fire their director and producers, audio and video techs and observers and cameramen and their two main casters. so basically cease being NASL so what youre saying is that, rather than let them learn from their mistakes and give them a chance to make up for it in season 2 and give us a pristine presentation, you want to completely get rid of them all together? im thinking that maybe youre single? with no kids? dear god help you if you have kids. | ||
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phanto
Sweden708 Posts
On July 09 2011 19:18 WhiteWolfx wrote: i think its important that everyone keeps in mind this is NASL's first live event, dont get me wrong... all of the complains are pretty much valid, but you know what, there is nothing that can be done instantly to fix everything - so rather than BMing nasl, just post some constructive non insulting criticism, and then get back to enjoying the broadcast. its not the smoothest event run, and there are a whole bunch of issues, but cmon guys... its incontrol, gretorp, day9, tasteless, artosis + many others that we're talking about here, theyre all putting in a whole bunch of time to try and make this event as good as possible, after its all finished and wrapped up, im 100% sure that theyll "pull an mlg" and really improve for their next event at least the stream has been up 100% of the time!! and with barely any lag spikes as well.all in all, everyone just chillax and enjoy watching the the casters bring you something which they believe in and they love to be apart of - and also enjoy watching the players, which mostly flew 10 or so hours just to get there to entertain you all, and fight it out for the prestigious number 1 spot in the NASL season 1. thats all, much love <3<3<3 Incontrol, Gretorp and the guest casters? They're just the casters. They're doing their job and I don't see too many complaints about that. The problem is the production and the behind-the.scenes crew. Casters shouldn't have to defend production, or make up for the tournaments shortcomings. Even amateurs should do a lot better with that budget. Also, problems aside, it's simply not acceptable to have your viewers in the dark for 1½ hours. There are channels for communication - websites (TL/nastl.tv), social media (twitter) and even the stream itself to INFORM your viewers so they don't sit around just waiting staring at nothing. | ||
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Kanku
France123 Posts
On July 09 2011 19:35 WhiteWolfx wrote: so what youre saying is that, rather than let them learn from their mistakes and give them a chance to make up for it in season 2 and give us a pristine presentation, you want to completely get rid of them all together? im thinking that maybe youre single? with no kids? dear god help you if you have kids. Ad hominem that's the next level of argumentation in this thread... | ||
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Lorizean
Germany1330 Posts
Darkforce? anyways, Sen will win the whole event, I'm calling it. He's awesome. | ||
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Titorelli
2492 Posts
And maybe someone can pls sum up Sens games? I am such a huge Sen fanboy I need to know And nice to see Darkforce advance *remebers all those haters back in the invitation video threat "Who the fuck is Darkforce, how can they invite him* | ||
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papaz
Sweden4149 Posts
On July 09 2011 19:33 ProxyKnoxy wrote: Damn shame white ra lost he practices a lotROFL and the other pro players just eat burritos watching Seinfeld during the days while white ra practices a lot? | ||
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phanto
Sweden708 Posts
On July 09 2011 19:35 WhiteWolfx wrote: so what youre saying is that, rather than let them learn from their mistakes and give them a chance to make up for it in season 2 and give us a pristine presentation, you want to completely get rid of them all together? Actually would that be such a bad idea? I think it would be easier to find sponsors and investors if they knew they had hired a competent crew. | ||
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Benga
Korea (South)471 Posts
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SoulHarvester
Canada151 Posts
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Doraemon
Australia14949 Posts
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SargonTheGreat
United States217 Posts
My note on the whole koreans R imba imba deal is well, they're culture supports their pro players, our culture doesn't. Sure there are sponsors for some pro teams in NA but in Korean they are treated like athletes. Sheth has said in an interview (I forget which) that he is not supported in his sc2 undertakings by his parents. I'd bet you many NA players face this issue or even more so, not being understood, supported, or encouraged by friends, their community or co-workers, or family alike. I doubt a single Korean Pro is belittled or shamed for they're gaming career. Also I think they have an advantage because of the size of their country and the dense population. Think if all NA pro's lived in Indiana (roughly the size of S.Korea) It would be very easy to get all of them to organize they're life around living in the same city and training as much as they could. In Korea that is how it is and I would go as far to say that they are FULL time pro gamers because of how physically accessible the gaming community is. AKA in America and what not gamers are more likely to have other agendas and careers because it takes a virtually unknown amount of effort to independently create the environment you need to perfect your skill. I remember hearing destiny and catz streaming and they were discussing trying to get some small event going and the difficulty of them setting up a LAN together. These are two well liked respected NA gamers on the same team living only a couple states apart and yet there is that physically barrier that is mostly non existent to the Koreans. Basically we need to fence off Indiana and move all the pro gamers there and force them to abandon their college and planned careers. GL wow i typed way more than i meant to but i guess i've never ranted about this before and it's a big topic hahaha. But really think about it, if I wanted to go pro, what am i gonna do? call up idra and say hey let's do some zvz's? No i'm going to play ladder for the next year and put intention towards getting out of the plat league and waste a bunch of time training against all inner's that I know I can't build as many drones against as I'd like or practice builds I would ever use in a pro tournament. I guess it's probably still a problem for Korean Sc2 non-pro's trying to get in the scene but still much easier for them to overcome than us. Simply go to GSL opens which happen what like 6 times a year i dunno...point is i'm ranting and i need to hit post lololl | ||
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eqez
Sweden837 Posts
On July 09 2011 19:35 WhiteWolfx wrote: so what youre saying is that, rather than let them learn from their mistakes and give them a chance to make up for it in season 2 and give us a pristine presentation, you want to completely get rid of them all together? im thinking that maybe youre single? with no kids? dear god help you if you have kids. They need to change the whole crew to make up for this. This has been a horrible production and i cant see the guys learn enough to make a good production for next season when they cant even handle the simplest things as a camera filming the face instead of legs. | ||
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Michaels
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