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Sra
Netherlands75 Posts
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0cz3c
United States564 Posts
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Shindou
United States120 Posts
the games i saw were ok. most were really one sided. darkforce was really impressive | ||
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RusHXceL
United States1004 Posts
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mrhobbers
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Jiddra
Sweden2685 Posts
On July 09 2011 22:03 Shindou wrote: for the most part everyone here nerdraging and qq'ing about the production still watched it, and probably still will watch it in the future. you guys are being a little overdramatic the games i saw were ok. most were really one sided. darkforce was really impressive Watch for free, not even getting one commercial, yes. Paying, no. The producion is to bad for that,. | ||
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Ohjay
Germany83 Posts
On July 09 2011 22:02 0cz3c wrote: Amazing that there hasn't even been a statement by them. Honestly when I was watching it last night (I guess this morning....), I could not think or feel anything other than "Really poor production" and "Wow. It looks like they don't even care." No way to run or host a $100,000 tournament. Really too bad--the last few major tournaments in the past month had done succccch an excellent job. 100% true even at the homestory cup they apologized quickly after the issues came up. They should have made a statement to all this points a loooong time ago! | ||
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ZenViper
Korea (South)115 Posts
On July 09 2011 22:03 Shindou wrote: for the most part everyone here nerdraging and qq'ing about the production still watched it, and probably still will watch it in the future. you guys are being a little overdramatic the games i saw were ok. most were really one sided. darkforce was really impressive Because EVERYONE here wants to see the games. I'm sure they would try to watch if there was no sound or it was in black and white. They need to fire their sound guy and buy a bigger, better soundboard. | ||
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Hammer442
Australia749 Posts
On July 09 2011 22:03 Shindou wrote: for the most part everyone here nerdraging and qq'ing about the production still watched it, and probably still will watch it in the future. you guys are being a little overdramatic the games i saw were ok. most were really one sided. darkforce was really impressive It could have been black and white with no sound and i think most of us would have still tuned in to see games like MC vs Boxer. Doesn't excuse the fact that throughout a lot of the event the sound quality was so bad that it gave everyone a headache among other things. | ||
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flakmonkey
Australia254 Posts
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On July 09 2011 22:09 Ohjay wrote: 100% true even at the homestory cup they apologized quickly after the issues came up. They should have made a statement to all this points a loooong time ago! homestory cup has darkforce with a stripper, they can do no wrong | ||
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Paradice
New Zealand431 Posts
On July 09 2011 21:43 two.watup wrote: This. Watching high beams on two of five casters (while the other three do fk all) against a black curtain backdrop, with the earthquake camera and sound in one ear doesn't really portray the same air of professionalism MLG or Dreamhack does. It seems like they went in two days in advance to set everything up. I'd say it was a disappointment, but every single week it's been like this. You cannot look towards the future and say it will be different, when 8 weeks in their stream was crashing and had sound problems. The prize pool is bigger than almost any other tournament, and the production value is a webcam with no tripod. It's absurd. And yet the irony is, you only proved Bobster's point by comparing it to the "professionalism" of MLG. Think back one event to MLG Dallas, and the MLG stream was so terrible that the entire TL was "omg this is the end of MLG I am never watching again!!1one!1". Fast forward it by a single event, and you're now using it as the gold standard of streaming. NASL will recover. It's well known that customers of anything will only remember their very latest experience. As soon as NASL get it right, which may even be tomorrow, all this shit will be a historical footnote. | ||
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Ninjin
Germany230 Posts
On July 09 2011 22:12 turdburgler wrote: homestory cup has darkforce with a stripper, they can do no wrong HSC never had a stripper, that was the Nationswar. | ||
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TheSubtleArt
Canada2527 Posts
On July 09 2011 21:20 OKMarius wrote: He's Korean, and has benefited as a progamer from living there and practising for years in rts-games vs other koreans. So the source of his fast hands could very well be said to be his korean background. He was a progamer before he moved to the US. (Played for Sk.korea in wc3) Imo it's nonsense starting to call Huk Korean, Select American etc. Your nationality is your nationality no matter where you practise. Lionel Messi isn't spanish because he plays for Barcelona. It just depends on how you view it. You can view it from a nationalist perspective (like you're doing), or from a perspectvie of "he trained here, so this is the scene he represents". I do the latter because I find the former completely useless (I'm never really one for nationalist sentiment) and because the former implies some sort of genetic advantage, which I feel is untrue. I think this discussion has run it's course a while ago though (Dreamhack basically). It's just repeating itself over and over with people saying the exact same thing, only approaching the idea of nationality from a different perspective (where you train vs where you were born). | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On July 09 2011 22:15 Ninjin wrote: HSC never had a stripper, that was the Nationswar. they played the video on the stream same thing | ||
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HawtLove
United States113 Posts
How on earth does it make any sense to have weeks if not MONTHS of regular play, just to end in a best of three round of 16? Funnily enough this links directly to my next major issue with NASL. The delays: The startup delay I will forgive as some of that must tie directly into bad luck, and problems that most startup tournaments would face, but whose bright idea was it to have 20 minute intro videos for EACH PLAYER? and to have like 1.5 hour breaks on top of that? My goodness. My third issue was the distinct lack of professionalism. $400,000 prize pool, and you guys couldnt afford a serious banner? Some stage decoration? The sponsor's banner was literally a plastic poster that looked like it was taped to the casters booth... And the player's booths... Oh my god.. In all seriousness they look like they were built on site, by random staff. Black, bland, small with a tiny window and almost no lighting. I can't be sure but it seemed as though no one could even SEE the players in the booths. Now, I wont get into sound, as that has been mentioned to death in this thread, the chat, and just about everywhere else that wasn't the event. You couldn't practice the interview/translation process beforehand? Switching interview-venues mid-tournament? Seriously? NASL, this was the single worst major ESPORTS tournament I have ever seen. I PRAY no one of importance (sponsors, people interested in getting into ESPORTS) was watching, and if they were, I hope they want to help more than hate. This type of shit doesn't happen to PROFESSIONALS, and if you care about the people, sponsors and hype that this kind of prize pool offers, you cannot have an unprofessional EVERYTHING (screw the specifics, find me something about the production value that was actually good, not including tastosis and day[9]). NASL will need a miracle to make the rest of this event good, and it will need an act of god to maintain its customers for next season. They hype is gone now NASL, what are you going to do? | ||
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shockaslim
United States1104 Posts
There is no valid reason for 2 and a half hour delays, god awful observers, rampant sound issues, 1 hour breaks when you are behind schedule, ghetto ass booths, etc.... | ||
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SolidMustard
France1515 Posts
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Zanno
United States1484 Posts
On July 09 2011 22:15 Paradice wrote: And yet the irony is, you only proved Bobster's point by comparing it to the "professionalism" of MLG. Think back one event to MLG Dallas, and the MLG stream was so terrible that the entire TL was "omg this is the end of MLG I am never watching again!!1one!1". Fast forward it by a single event, and you're now using it as the gold standard of streaming. NASL will recover. It's well known that customers of anything will only remember their very latest experience. As soon as NASL get it right, which may even be tomorrow, all this shit will be a historical footnote. the issues NASL is having put MLG's problems in perspective MLG had a series of hardware failures on expensive and not immediately replaceable network equipment, in conjunction with a severe underestimation of how much bandwidth was needed to stream the event NASL forgot to buy a tripod for their camera and read the instruction manual to their soundboard these issues are comparable how? this doesn't even take into account that the issues NASL is having, are the SAME ISSUES that they've been having the entire regular season. poor audio equipment, barebones stage, cheesy graphics that look as if they were made using flash's gradient tool in 30 seconds, a complete lack of understanding as to what the word "transition" means, i could go on and on and on, but they've had months to recover, and haven't done a thing | ||
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
On July 09 2011 22:12 turdburgler wrote: homestory cup has darkforce with a stripper, they can do no wrong Was't that some game series about Germany vs Sweden? But yeah, Take does make incredibly awesome tournaments. Don't mind the relatively small prize pool, it has such a great atmosphere and I think most players enjoyed it. Thank god Huk won the whole thing, else he wouldn't be that happy with what he lost in black jack/poker. And considering how much MC won in poker (despite never having played it before, according to him) the whole trip might've been financially viable. :-) | ||
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