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On July 09 2011 22:15 Paradice wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2011 21:43 two.watup wrote:On July 09 2011 21:24 Baituri wrote:On July 09 2011 21:21 Bobster wrote:
20000+ replies, I think this event has been a success for NASL. Even if 19000 are complaining about the amateurish production.
Remember, there's no such thing as bad publicity.
oh wait yes there is
NASL possibly lost a lot of subscribers with this first day. Good thing people on the internet have a bad short term memory and will forget this shit quickly when day 2 and 3 deliver. Pressure's on NASL! No not really. To me it seems they still can't hold an event. I waited the first season to hope it would be better. But it did not. Even if the 2 day after this are awesome, they still did not prove to be considered one of the major e-sport events like MLG, IEM or DreamHack. This. Watching high beams on two of five casters (while the other three do fk all) against a black curtain backdrop, with the earthquake camera and sound in one ear doesn't really portray the same air of professionalism MLG or Dreamhack does. It seems like they went in two days in advance to set everything up. I'd say it was a disappointment, but every single week it's been like this. You cannot look towards the future and say it will be different, when 8 weeks in their stream was crashing and had sound problems. The prize pool is bigger than almost any other tournament, and the production value is a webcam with no tripod. It's absurd. And yet the irony is, you only proved Bobster's point by comparing it to the "professionalism" of MLG. Think back one event to MLG Dallas, and the MLG stream was so terrible that the entire TL was "omg this is the end of MLG I am never watching again!!1one!1". Fast forward it by a single event, and you're now using it as the gold standard of streaming. NASL will recover. It's well known that customers of anything will only remember their very latest experience. As soon as NASL get it right, which may even be tomorrow, all this shit will be a historical footnote.
The difference was aside from the massive stream issues MLG Dallas production was actually good when stream worked. Also Sundance and MLG staff were in constant communication with the people watching. Also MLG gave peoples money back and offered free HD etc. in order to help lessen the problems going on.
NASL doesn't done any of these things. They just have massive issues and seemingly ignore the viewers/customers. In fact in the past they have even been known to rant at the viewers/customers dismissing the complaints.
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On July 09 2011 23:22 Milkis wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2011 23:20 deadjawa wrote:On July 09 2011 23:12 tofubeans wrote:
i think NASL should at the least acknowledge their issues with some sort of statement/announcement To what end? What would they say? "This is our first event and we're not that great at this stuff yet, sorry." Would that really make anyone feel any better? When MLG apologized its because they had higher expectations for themselves. I don't think NASL has the same problem. They are just trying to make it through the event. To be honest just an assurance that they're aware of the problems, acknowledging them, and how they're going to fix it for day 2 or season 2 would probably ease up the populace a lot better. I dunno, I woke up expecting to see a statement and thinking "if they're aware of it and they make everything better, all will be forgotten". We'll still see.
Well, they did go on record saying this:
TeamLiquid wants to know, what happened this morning?
Last night, the rightmost projector suffered catastrophic failure. We immediately overnight a replacement that arrived first thing in this morning. Installation took extensive time and thus caused a hour delay to the premiere. Additionally, this last minute projector replacement meant we did not have an opportunity to extensively test the projection system. As it turns out, the venue projection fails to hook up to the stream output. As a last minute solution we placed the stream system on follow to the stream observer. There are feedbacks regarding this caused jerky camera motion, so we changed to a dedicated observer for rest of the cast.
How will NASL fix it for the rest of the finals?
The tech crew will spent tonight making extensive testing to readjust the camera, projection, sound, and streaming system are optimal. We'll also shut down the system during the one-hour break to see if there are any short term solution to resolve any existing problems.
Additionally, we will be working with the on-site Justin.tv staffs to optimize the stream quality, with an emphasize on resolving any possible sound distortion.
What is NASL doing to ensure this won't happen next time?
With this painful experience under our belt, there will not be failure a next time.
That's the owner of NASL as interviewed by TL staff. (It's from the OP of the TL NASL coverage thread).
But I agree that they should've just posted something similar to this on their main page or something, it's not visible enough in the OP of a TL thread.
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On July 09 2011 23:22 Milkis wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2011 23:20 deadjawa wrote:On July 09 2011 23:12 tofubeans wrote:
i think NASL should at the least acknowledge their issues with some sort of statement/announcement To what end? What would they say? "This is our first event and we're not that great at this stuff yet, sorry." Would that really make anyone feel any better? When MLG apologized its because they had higher expectations for themselves. I don't think NASL has the same problem. They are just trying to make it through the event. To be honest just an assurance that they're aware of the problems, acknowledging them, and how they're going to fix it for day 2 or season 2 would probably ease up the populace a lot better. I dunno, I woke up expecting to see a statement and thinking "if they're aware of it and they make everything better, all will be forgotten". We'll still see.
I'm definitely with ya that it would be "professional" for them to do that, but I think that this tournament isn't quite a "professional" tournament yet. Its just a handful of volunteers doing a garage tourney.
I guess my defense is based only on the fact that I dont think they are executing poorly with the tools they have, I simply think they underplanned. They need to hire professional sound guys, professional cameramen, professional event planners. They did hire professional casters though, which shows they just didnt quite have their priorities in the right spot. That just tells me they are inexperienced. Its not like they can do more with what they have, they just didn't get the right stuff.
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On July 09 2011 23:28 Bobster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2011 23:22 Milkis wrote:On July 09 2011 23:20 deadjawa wrote:On July 09 2011 23:12 tofubeans wrote:
i think NASL should at the least acknowledge their issues with some sort of statement/announcement To what end? What would they say? "This is our first event and we're not that great at this stuff yet, sorry." Would that really make anyone feel any better? When MLG apologized its because they had higher expectations for themselves. I don't think NASL has the same problem. They are just trying to make it through the event. To be honest just an assurance that they're aware of the problems, acknowledging them, and how they're going to fix it for day 2 or season 2 would probably ease up the populace a lot better. I dunno, I woke up expecting to see a statement and thinking "if they're aware of it and they make everything better, all will be forgotten". We'll still see. Well, they did go on record saying this: Show nested quote +TeamLiquid wants to know, what happened this morning?
Last night, the rightmost projector suffered catastrophic failure. We immediately overnight a replacement that arrived first thing in this morning. Installation took extensive time and thus caused a hour delay to the premiere. Additionally, this last minute projector replacement meant we did not have an opportunity to extensively test the projection system. As it turns out, the venue projection fails to hook up to the stream output. As a last minute solution we placed the stream system on follow to the stream observer. There are feedbacks regarding this caused jerky camera motion, so we changed to a dedicated observer for rest of the cast.
How will NASL fix it for the rest of the finals?
The tech crew will spent tonight making extensive testing to readjust the camera, projection, sound, and streaming system are optimal. We'll also shut down the system during the one-hour break to see if there are any short term solution to resolve any existing problems.
Additionally, we will be working with the on-site Justin.tv staffs to optimize the stream quality, with an emphasize on resolving any possible sound distortion.
What is NASL doing to ensure this won't happen next time?
With this painful experience under our belt, there will not be failure a next time. That's the owner of NASL as interviewed by TL staff. (It's from the OP of the TL NASL coverage thread). But I agree that they should've just posted something similar to this on their main page or something, it's not visible enough in the OP of a TL thread.
thanks for that. yeah, not sure why they wouldn't post something like that on their main site ~_~
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On July 09 2011 23:24 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2011 22:15 Paradice wrote:On July 09 2011 21:43 two.watup wrote:On July 09 2011 21:24 Baituri wrote:On July 09 2011 21:21 Bobster wrote:
20000+ replies, I think this event has been a success for NASL. Even if 19000 are complaining about the amateurish production.
Remember, there's no such thing as bad publicity.
oh wait yes there is
NASL possibly lost a lot of subscribers with this first day. Good thing people on the internet have a bad short term memory and will forget this shit quickly when day 2 and 3 deliver. Pressure's on NASL! No not really. To me it seems they still can't hold an event. I waited the first season to hope it would be better. But it did not. Even if the 2 day after this are awesome, they still did not prove to be considered one of the major e-sport events like MLG, IEM or DreamHack. This. Watching high beams on two of five casters (while the other three do fk all) against a black curtain backdrop, with the earthquake camera and sound in one ear doesn't really portray the same air of professionalism MLG or Dreamhack does. It seems like they went in two days in advance to set everything up. I'd say it was a disappointment, but every single week it's been like this. You cannot look towards the future and say it will be different, when 8 weeks in their stream was crashing and had sound problems. The prize pool is bigger than almost any other tournament, and the production value is a webcam with no tripod. It's absurd. And yet the irony is, you only proved Bobster's point by comparing it to the "professionalism" of MLG. Think back one event to MLG Dallas, and the MLG stream was so terrible that the entire TL was "omg this is the end of MLG I am never watching again!!1one!1". Fast forward it by a single event, and you're now using it as the gold standard of streaming. NASL will recover. It's well known that customers of anything will only remember their very latest experience. As soon as NASL get it right, which may even be tomorrow, all this shit will be a historical footnote. The difference was aside from the massive stream issues MLG Dallas production was actually good when stream worked. Also Sundance and MLG staff were in constant communication with the people watching. Also MLG gave peoples money back and offered free HD etc. in order to help lessen the problems going on. NASL doesn't done any of these things. They just have massive issues and seemingly ignore the viewers/customers. In fact in the past they have even been known to rant at the viewers/customers dismissing the complaints.
Yes, but we could actually watch the games. I presume we all tuned in to see some Starcraft, as opposed to MLG's patented BLACK SCREEN OF NOTHINGNESS.
My only real problems with NASL were:
1. The sound issues. Nuff said.
2. Too much talent, too little use. I didn't think it was possible to waste Tastosis, but they managed it.
3. They didn't have 1/2 of the content they needed to fill a 12 hour show. The padding was so obvious that it became extremely bothersome. Simple rule: if you don't have enough stuff to fill a 12 hour show, don't try to run one. I can't believe that they really thought the pacing they had set was a good idea. The intro movies for the games were longer than the actual games in some cases.
I'm willing to forgive technical problems. Technology is a traitorous thing at times. But somebody sat down and planned this and actually thought that 8 BO3s were enough to fill 12 hours. That's ridiculous, and inexcusable. I don't demand the GSL from every event I watch, but it's not hard to watch a couple of GSLs and note how they pace the shows, nor is that too hard to emulate.
They want to run a long finals? Awesome. Then bring the content that justifies it. Run a team game as a side event. Invite EG and Mouzsports for a showmatch for a smaller prize pool, split the finalists into four 4 man teams and do some crazy 4 v 4s for the lulz.
I'm sure we'd all have been happy to watch Boxer/MC/Select/Zenio vs WhiteRa/Ret/Sen/Darkforce.
Even if that sounds like a horrible idea, it's damn well better than making the broadcast teams talk over empty space. Especially when Tastosis and incontrol are the only ones capable of making that vaguely entertaining.
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On July 09 2011 23:28 Bobster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2011 23:22 Milkis wrote:On July 09 2011 23:20 deadjawa wrote:On July 09 2011 23:12 tofubeans wrote:
i think NASL should at the least acknowledge their issues with some sort of statement/announcement To what end? What would they say? "This is our first event and we're not that great at this stuff yet, sorry." Would that really make anyone feel any better? When MLG apologized its because they had higher expectations for themselves. I don't think NASL has the same problem. They are just trying to make it through the event. To be honest just an assurance that they're aware of the problems, acknowledging them, and how they're going to fix it for day 2 or season 2 would probably ease up the populace a lot better. I dunno, I woke up expecting to see a statement and thinking "if they're aware of it and they make everything better, all will be forgotten". We'll still see. Well, they did go on record saying this: Show nested quote +TeamLiquid wants to know, what happened this morning?
Last night, the rightmost projector suffered catastrophic failure. We immediately overnight a replacement that arrived first thing in this morning. Installation took extensive time and thus caused a hour delay to the premiere. Additionally, this last minute projector replacement meant we did not have an opportunity to extensively test the projection system. As it turns out, the venue projection fails to hook up to the stream output. As a last minute solution we placed the stream system on follow to the stream observer. There are feedbacks regarding this caused jerky camera motion, so we changed to a dedicated observer for rest of the cast.
How will NASL fix it for the rest of the finals?
The tech crew will spent tonight making extensive testing to readjust the camera, projection, sound, and streaming system are optimal. We'll also shut down the system during the one-hour break to see if there are any short term solution to resolve any existing problems.
Additionally, we will be working with the on-site Justin.tv staffs to optimize the stream quality, with an emphasize on resolving any possible sound distortion.
What is NASL doing to ensure this won't happen next time?
With this painful experience under our belt, there will not be failure a next time. That's the owner of NASL as interviewed by TL staff. (It's from the OP of the TL NASL coverage thread). But I agree that they should've just posted something similar to this on their main page or something, it's not visible enough in the OP of a TL thread.
Is the owner of NASL non-english speaking natively?
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I don't think it's wise to apologize right now. Right now, they should just be focusing on giving the best experience possible for the remaining days. Apologies can wait till after the tournament ends.
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On July 09 2011 23:28 Bobster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2011 23:22 Milkis wrote:On July 09 2011 23:20 deadjawa wrote:On July 09 2011 23:12 tofubeans wrote:
i think NASL should at the least acknowledge their issues with some sort of statement/announcement To what end? What would they say? "This is our first event and we're not that great at this stuff yet, sorry." Would that really make anyone feel any better? When MLG apologized its because they had higher expectations for themselves. I don't think NASL has the same problem. They are just trying to make it through the event. To be honest just an assurance that they're aware of the problems, acknowledging them, and how they're going to fix it for day 2 or season 2 would probably ease up the populace a lot better. I dunno, I woke up expecting to see a statement and thinking "if they're aware of it and they make everything better, all will be forgotten". We'll still see. Well, they did go on record saying this: What is NASL doing to ensure this won't happen next time? With this painful experience under our belt, there will not be failure a next time.
I don't know about that last part. I think NASL had already every freaking problem in the last 2 months. A gazillion different problems that will never occur again. I don't know, It is starting to look more like incompetence.
Anyway, still pumped for today.
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Hopefully NASL just gets all their constant technical problems fixed by next season. I feel bad for all the people who paid money though.
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On July 09 2011 23:37 iamho wrote:
Hopefully NASL just gets all their constant technical problems fixed by next season. I feel bad for all the people who paid money though.
Glad I didn't, with all the problems they've had during the season and now at the finals. I feel like NASL are more into it for the money than the 'promoting e-sports' type of thing. They see it as a business.
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On July 09 2011 23:39 KryptoStorm wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2011 23:37 iamho wrote:
Hopefully NASL just gets all their constant technical problems fixed by next season. I feel bad for all the people who paid money though. Glad I didn't, with all the problems they've had during the season and now at the finals. I feel like NASL are more into it for the money than the 'promoting e-sports' type of thing. They see it as a business.
I don't buy that. A business would do way more to keep their customers than what NASL is doing. I think it's just one of those things where the vision far outweighs the actual experience and competency of the individuals. They should have started out way smaller than they did and now they paying for that ambition ;(
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On July 09 2011 22:03 Shindou wrote:
for the most part everyone here nerdraging and qq'ing about the production still watched it, and probably still will watch it in the future. you guys are being a little overdramatic
the games i saw were ok. most were really one sided. darkforce was really impressive
I don't know, it is really hard to watch when the production value is bad. I was hoping to use the NASL finals to get some non-sc2 friends into the game but it was so messy that I decided against it. Hell, I didn't even really want to watch any of it... I think I caught one game?
The NASL from the top to bottom has been an admirable effort, but I think it's obvious that the people organizing this have bit off way more than they can chew. Every qq post is followed by people apologizing for the NASL and saying that they will get better over time. I'm not sure if i'm buying it anymore and I'm putting my money on the IPL. With the money and resources that the NASL seems to have this should have been way better. Like some other guy was saying before, the homestory cup nailed it and they were using so much less. Granted, thats a much smaller scale tournament, but still it was much more enjoyable for everyone. Also the fact that the koreans are going to likely sweep the top 4 spots of this tournament (and the fact that only 2 foreigners are even left...) when all is said and done is extremely depressing also. The NASL feels like a poor man's GSL, and we don't even really get to see much of the foreign scene even represented in the grand finals. I almost would rather have a non-korean event at this point just to distinguish the NASL in some way. Right now it is trying to hard to be something it will never ever match (the GSL).
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On July 09 2011 23:45 Tx3Fate wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2011 22:03 Shindou wrote:
for the most part everyone here nerdraging and qq'ing about the production still watched it, and probably still will watch it in the future. you guys are being a little overdramatic
the games i saw were ok. most were really one sided. darkforce was really impressive I don't know, it is really hard to watch when the production value is bad. I was hoping to use the NASL finals to get some non-sc2 friends into the game but it was so messy that I decided against it. Hell, I didn't even really want to watch any of it... I think I caught one game? The NASL from the top to bottom has been an admirable effort, but I think it's obvious that the people organizing this have bit off way more than they can chew. Every qq post is followed by people apologizing for the NASL and saying that they will get better over time. I'm not sure if i'm buying it anymore and I'm putting my money on the IPL. With the money and resources that the NASL seems to have this should have been way better. Like some other guy was saying before, the homestory cup nailed it and they were using so much less. Granted, thats a much smaller scale tournament, but still it was much more enjoyable for everyone. Also the fact that the koreans are going to likely sweep the top 4 spots of this tournament (and the fact that only 2 foreigners are even left...) when all is said and done is extremely depressing also. The NASL feels like a poor man's GSL, and we don't even really get to see much of the foreign scene even represented in the grand finals. I almost would rather have a non-korean event at this point just to distinguish the NASL in some way. Right now it is trying to hard to be something it will never ever match (the GSL).
Id rather see NASL succeed then IPL. not a fan of IGN at all.
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Seeing as Incontrol is leaving after this NASL season, is Grederp leaving too?
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On July 09 2011 23:34 iamthedave wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2011 23:24 Numy wrote:On July 09 2011 22:15 Paradice wrote:On July 09 2011 21:43 two.watup wrote:On July 09 2011 21:24 Baituri wrote:On July 09 2011 21:21 Bobster wrote:
20000+ replies, I think this event has been a success for NASL. Even if 19000 are complaining about the amateurish production.
Remember, there's no such thing as bad publicity.
oh wait yes there is
NASL possibly lost a lot of subscribers with this first day. Good thing people on the internet have a bad short term memory and will forget this shit quickly when day 2 and 3 deliver. Pressure's on NASL! No not really. To me it seems they still can't hold an event. I waited the first season to hope it would be better. But it did not. Even if the 2 day after this are awesome, they still did not prove to be considered one of the major e-sport events like MLG, IEM or DreamHack. This. Watching high beams on two of five casters (while the other three do fk all) against a black curtain backdrop, with the earthquake camera and sound in one ear doesn't really portray the same air of professionalism MLG or Dreamhack does. It seems like they went in two days in advance to set everything up. I'd say it was a disappointment, but every single week it's been like this. You cannot look towards the future and say it will be different, when 8 weeks in their stream was crashing and had sound problems. The prize pool is bigger than almost any other tournament, and the production value is a webcam with no tripod. It's absurd. And yet the irony is, you only proved Bobster's point by comparing it to the "professionalism" of MLG. Think back one event to MLG Dallas, and the MLG stream was so terrible that the entire TL was "omg this is the end of MLG I am never watching again!!1one!1". Fast forward it by a single event, and you're now using it as the gold standard of streaming. NASL will recover. It's well known that customers of anything will only remember their very latest experience. As soon as NASL get it right, which may even be tomorrow, all this shit will be a historical footnote. The difference was aside from the massive stream issues MLG Dallas production was actually good when stream worked. Also Sundance and MLG staff were in constant communication with the people watching. Also MLG gave peoples money back and offered free HD etc. in order to help lessen the problems going on. NASL doesn't done any of these things. They just have massive issues and seemingly ignore the viewers/customers. In fact in the past they have even been known to rant at the viewers/customers dismissing the complaints. I'm sure we'd all have been happy to watch Boxer/MC/Select/Zenio vs WhiteRa/Ret/Sen/Darkforce. Even if that sounds like a horrible idea, it's damn well better than making the broadcast teams talk over empty space. Especially when Tastosis and incontrol are the only ones capable of making that vaguely entertaining.
oh god that would be crazy
my only gripe was that i watched more filler than showmatch
20 minute intros, hour long breaks, cmon NASL, you should know better
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is ro8 still gonna be bo3?
i hope next season in the finals bracket, nasl will do random map pool + loser picks... seeing the same maps over and over again was boring
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On July 09 2011 23:34 iamthedave wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2011 23:24 Numy wrote:On July 09 2011 22:15 Paradice wrote:On July 09 2011 21:43 two.watup wrote:On July 09 2011 21:24 Baituri wrote:On July 09 2011 21:21 Bobster wrote:
20000+ replies, I think this event has been a success for NASL. Even if 19000 are complaining about the amateurish production.
Remember, there's no such thing as bad publicity.
oh wait yes there is
NASL possibly lost a lot of subscribers with this first day. Good thing people on the internet have a bad short term memory and will forget this shit quickly when day 2 and 3 deliver. Pressure's on NASL! No not really. To me it seems they still can't hold an event. I waited the first season to hope it would be better. But it did not. Even if the 2 day after this are awesome, they still did not prove to be considered one of the major e-sport events like MLG, IEM or DreamHack. This. Watching high beams on two of five casters (while the other three do fk all) against a black curtain backdrop, with the earthquake camera and sound in one ear doesn't really portray the same air of professionalism MLG or Dreamhack does. It seems like they went in two days in advance to set everything up. I'd say it was a disappointment, but every single week it's been like this. You cannot look towards the future and say it will be different, when 8 weeks in their stream was crashing and had sound problems. The prize pool is bigger than almost any other tournament, and the production value is a webcam with no tripod. It's absurd. And yet the irony is, you only proved Bobster's point by comparing it to the "professionalism" of MLG. Think back one event to MLG Dallas, and the MLG stream was so terrible that the entire TL was "omg this is the end of MLG I am never watching again!!1one!1". Fast forward it by a single event, and you're now using it as the gold standard of streaming. NASL will recover. It's well known that customers of anything will only remember their very latest experience. As soon as NASL get it right, which may even be tomorrow, all this shit will be a historical footnote. The difference was aside from the massive stream issues MLG Dallas production was actually good when stream worked. Also Sundance and MLG staff were in constant communication with the people watching. Also MLG gave peoples money back and offered free HD etc. in order to help lessen the problems going on. NASL doesn't done any of these things. They just have massive issues and seemingly ignore the viewers/customers. In fact in the past they have even been known to rant at the viewers/customers dismissing the complaints. Yes, but we could actually watch the games. I presume we all tuned in to see some Starcraft, as opposed to MLG's patented BLACK SCREEN OF NOTHINGNESS. My only real problems with NASL were: 1. The sound issues. Nuff said. 2. Too much talent, too little use. I didn't think it was possible to waste Tastosis, but they managed it. 3. They didn't have 1/2 of the content they needed to fill a 12 hour show. The padding was so obvious that it became extremely bothersome. Simple rule: if you don't have enough stuff to fill a 12 hour show, don't try to run one. I can't believe that they really thought the pacing they had set was a good idea. The intro movies for the games were longer than the actual games in some cases. I'm willing to forgive technical problems. Technology is a traitorous thing at times. But somebody sat down and planned this and actually thought that 8 BO3s were enough to fill 12 hours. That's ridiculous, and inexcusable. I don't demand the GSL from every event I watch, but it's not hard to watch a couple of GSLs and note how they pace the shows, nor is that too hard to emulate. They want to run a long finals? Awesome. Then bring the content that justifies it. Run a team game as a side event. Invite EG and Mouzsports for a showmatch for a smaller prize pool, split the finalists into four 4 man teams and do some crazy 4 v 4s for the lulz. I'm sure we'd all have been happy to watch Boxer/MC/Select/Zenio vs WhiteRa/Ret/Sen/Darkforce. Even if that sounds like a horrible idea, it's damn well better than making the broadcast teams talk over empty space. Especially when Tastosis and incontrol are the only ones capable of making that vaguely entertaining.
Or add a losers bracket system. Sc2 is a volatile game, and making someone fly so long to such a big event and then having them eliminated from the entire tournament in a Bo3 is silly. Ret got robbed the most, finishing first in the NASL and then having to play a potential GSL Code S winner in Puma in the very first round.
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On July 09 2011 23:34 iamthedave wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2011 23:24 Numy wrote:On July 09 2011 22:15 Paradice wrote:On July 09 2011 21:43 two.watup wrote:On July 09 2011 21:24 Baituri wrote:On July 09 2011 21:21 Bobster wrote:
20000+ replies, I think this event has been a success for NASL. Even if 19000 are complaining about the amateurish production.
Remember, there's no such thing as bad publicity.
oh wait yes there is
NASL possibly lost a lot of subscribers with this first day. Good thing people on the internet have a bad short term memory and will forget this shit quickly when day 2 and 3 deliver. Pressure's on NASL! No not really. To me it seems they still can't hold an event. I waited the first season to hope it would be better. But it did not. Even if the 2 day after this are awesome, they still did not prove to be considered one of the major e-sport events like MLG, IEM or DreamHack. This. Watching high beams on two of five casters (while the other three do fk all) against a black curtain backdrop, with the earthquake camera and sound in one ear doesn't really portray the same air of professionalism MLG or Dreamhack does. It seems like they went in two days in advance to set everything up. I'd say it was a disappointment, but every single week it's been like this. You cannot look towards the future and say it will be different, when 8 weeks in their stream was crashing and had sound problems. The prize pool is bigger than almost any other tournament, and the production value is a webcam with no tripod. It's absurd. And yet the irony is, you only proved Bobster's point by comparing it to the "professionalism" of MLG. Think back one event to MLG Dallas, and the MLG stream was so terrible that the entire TL was "omg this is the end of MLG I am never watching again!!1one!1". Fast forward it by a single event, and you're now using it as the gold standard of streaming. NASL will recover. It's well known that customers of anything will only remember their very latest experience. As soon as NASL get it right, which may even be tomorrow, all this shit will be a historical footnote. The difference was aside from the massive stream issues MLG Dallas production was actually good when stream worked. Also Sundance and MLG staff were in constant communication with the people watching. Also MLG gave peoples money back and offered free HD etc. in order to help lessen the problems going on. NASL doesn't done any of these things. They just have massive issues and seemingly ignore the viewers/customers. In fact in the past they have even been known to rant at the viewers/customers dismissing the complaints. Yes, but we could actually watch the games. I presume we all tuned in to see some Starcraft, as opposed to MLG's patented BLACK SCREEN OF NOTHINGNESS. My only real problems with NASL were: 1. The sound issues. Nuff said. 2. Too much talent, too little use. I didn't think it was possible to waste Tastosis, but they managed it. 3. They didn't have 1/2 of the content they needed to fill a 12 hour show. The padding was so obvious that it became extremely bothersome. Simple rule: if you don't have enough stuff to fill a 12 hour show, don't try to run one. I can't believe that they really thought the pacing they had set was a good idea. The intro movies for the games were longer than the actual games in some cases. I'm willing to forgive technical problems. Technology is a traitorous thing at times. But somebody sat down and planned this and actually thought that 8 BO3s were enough to fill 12 hours. That's ridiculous, and inexcusable. I don't demand the GSL from every event I watch, but it's not hard to watch a couple of GSLs and note how they pace the shows, nor is that too hard to emulate. They want to run a long finals? Awesome. Then bring the content that justifies it. Run a team game as a side event. Invite EG and Mouzsports for a showmatch for a smaller prize pool, split the finalists into four 4 man teams and do some crazy 4 v 4s for the lulz. I'm sure we'd all have been happy to watch Boxer/MC/Select/Zenio vs WhiteRa/Ret/Sen/Darkforce. Even if that sounds like a horrible idea, it's damn well better than making the broadcast teams talk over empty space. Especially when Tastosis and incontrol are the only ones capable of making that vaguely entertaining.
MLG's (Dallas) issues were with the internet connection. There wasn't really much they could do, given it was unexpected traffic which caused the problems to occur. Other than that, they've shown time and time again that they have the competence to hold a proper live event, and in 2011 alone has vastly improved its production.
NASL's issues (barring the projector failure), were the whole production seemed liked no one bothered to test it first, and things hadn't been planned before hand. Sound issues, camera issues. It all really makes it seem like amateurs are putting this thing together. And this has been a theme since the NASL was first announced and it still continues to plague them. I've always regretted paying the $25 for the VODs, but seeing that how amateurish the event has been just makes me feel cheated.
Also, even with the projector failure and other technical issues. NASL should have been on the ball to notify people what was going on, that they were aware of it and were attempting to fix it.
Instead I personally experienced (and mind you I only watched a couple of games) and I would've liked it if they had been on the ball to inform viewers they knew what was wrong and an ETA on when they would get it fixed:
- 2 hour delays (ok, I lied, but if I had woken up at 3am here in Melbourne when it started I would have gone through this)
- periods of times where the mic was muted
- camera work which is almost as equal to a recording of a school concert
- periods of times when the right speaker was delayed
- pregame highlight videos taking longer than the matches (I don't understand why they can't get the players to set up during this time, instead we have to watch the dumb videos, then wait for the players to set up again).
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RE: NASL and MLG comparisons somehow absolving NASL's failures
MLG's stream issues were technical. They didn't have the bandwidth to cater to the demand and the stream was unstable.
NASL's stream was PEBKAC. Someone fell asleep at the sound board and forgot to turn interviewers mics off, or ended up doubling the audio, our outputted audio in only one channel, or had artosis 50% louder than tasteless, or was handycamming footage, or aimed the webcams in the booths at a crap angle.
MLG's issue required more gear and trucks for the next event. NASL requires smarter people.
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my only gripe was that i watched more filler than showmatch
20 minute intros, hour long breaks, cmon NASL, you should know better
I like the intros, BUT I agree that they are way TO LONG.
3 month online qualifier for single Elimination = bad idea, do double elimination = more fair to players and less time to fill because more games to cast.
i hope next season in the finals bracket, nasl will do random map pool + loser picks... seeing the same maps over and over again was boring
Yep.
Those are my main complains atm, otherwise it really got enjoyable torwards the end...not that the beginning wasn't entertaining, but not on a good way. :D
Also: The player overlay does not cover up the 3D unit portraits completly, maybe set settings to 2D portrais so their is no constant flickering right under the right players portrait.
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