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can we please leave boxer-related talk out of this lr thread.
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On June 29 2011 22:25 Biane wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 22:22 MrCon wrote:On June 29 2011 22:20 Sorkoas wrote:On June 29 2011 22:19 MrCon wrote:On June 29 2011 22:14 Sorkoas wrote:
MrCon clearly has issues and shouldn't be allowed to admin these threads.
Yes, I'm mad. Wat. You're mad about what ? Your immature bias opinions about MKP I'm sorry but...wat ? Which opinion are you talking about ? well for starters.... CoCa <Tal'Darim Altar> Alicia LosirA <Crossfire SE> MarineKing CoCa <Xel'Naga Caverns> LosirA Alicia <Dual Sight> MarineKing I HATE YOU MKP CoCa <Metalopolis> Alicia Losira advances to ro16 2-0 Coca advances to ro16 2-1 Alicia stays in code S 1-2 MKP drops to the up and down like a ******** noob. We all MKP lost, fine. but you dont have to say "MKP drops to the up and down like a ******** noob." its almost like an insult to his fans
L O L
You know he's a MKP fan right?
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On June 29 2011 22:25 Biane wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 22:22 MrCon wrote:On June 29 2011 22:20 Sorkoas wrote:On June 29 2011 22:19 MrCon wrote:On June 29 2011 22:14 Sorkoas wrote:
MrCon clearly has issues and shouldn't be allowed to admin these threads.
Yes, I'm mad. Wat. You're mad about what ? Your immature bias opinions about MKP I'm sorry but...wat ? Which opinion are you talking about ? well for starters.... Show nested quote +CoCa <Tal'Darim Altar> Alicia
LosirA <Crossfire SE> MarineKing
CoCa <Xel'Naga Caverns> LosirA
Alicia <Dual Sight> MarineKing I HATE YOU MKP
CoCa <Metalopolis> Alicia
Losira advances to ro16 2-0
Coca advances to ro16 2-1
Alicia stays in code S 1-2
MKP drops to the up and down like a ******** noob.
We all MKP lost, fine. but you dont have to say
"MKP drops to the up and down like a ******** noob." its almost like an insult to his fans
Ha ok, you think I don't like him...I'm one of his biggest fan, that's why I am so mad against him for playing like that. Go one or 2 pages back I tried to explain my frustration.
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On June 29 2011 22:27 MrCon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 22:25 Biane wrote:On June 29 2011 22:22 MrCon wrote:On June 29 2011 22:20 Sorkoas wrote:On June 29 2011 22:19 MrCon wrote:On June 29 2011 22:14 Sorkoas wrote:
MrCon clearly has issues and shouldn't be allowed to admin these threads.
Yes, I'm mad. Wat. You're mad about what ? Your immature bias opinions about MKP I'm sorry but...wat ? Which opinion are you talking about ? well for starters.... CoCa <Tal'Darim Altar> Alicia
LosirA <Crossfire SE> MarineKing
CoCa <Xel'Naga Caverns> LosirA
Alicia <Dual Sight> MarineKing I HATE YOU MKP
CoCa <Metalopolis> Alicia
Losira advances to ro16 2-0
Coca advances to ro16 2-1
Alicia stays in code S 1-2
MKP drops to the up and down like a ******** noob.
We all MKP lost, fine. but you dont have to say
"MKP drops to the up and down like a ******** noob." its almost like an insult to his fans Ha ok, you think I don't like him...I'm one of his biggest fan, that's why I am so mad against him for playing like that. Go one or 2 pages back I tried to explain my frustration.
*me walks away in shame*
Sorry. didnt read the last few pages T_T
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I knew MKP wasn't going to make it. Every times he got far in tournament, the next season has seen him fall during the group stages.
But Coca !? I couldn't watch the games, but it looks like Alicia's PvZ is quite bad, or that Coca is a beast...
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On June 29 2011 22:11 lorkac wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 22:03 NickelMail wrote:On June 29 2011 21:55 tangwhat wrote:On June 29 2011 21:52 NickelMail wrote:
its just when Alicia's cheesy builds work everyone calls him a genius. When they fail they're shocked and wonder why he would cheese. When thats almost all of his builds. Weird cheesy play. Almost every game. I don't think I've seen you make a single good post since you registered. 2 gate stargate expand PvT and DT Expand PvT as well as 6 gate blink timings PvZ have been around forever. The definition of cheese is that if it gets scouted you're pretty fucked. Turns out all those 3 builds are incredibly safe/solid and transition well into playing a longer game. 1 base voidray and DT , 6 gate Blink Stalker are not "Standard" play. When they fail, u lose cause you have no midgame tech. Terran walks down with stim and medivacs and u die. Their variety builds to mix up your play, but korean protoss, and especially Alecia use them 80% of the time. Just watch the last 10 protoss games at GSL, maybe 1 standard game teching to mid/late game play. Actually, when any strategy fails--you lose. Imagine doing a hatch first and they kill your hatch? Fail. 1Rax FE and they kill your scvs with a drop? Fail. How about a 3GateFE where they kill all your sentries? Fail. Actually any strategy where your main crutch is countered is a strategy that fails. That's kind of why there's usually a "main crutch" to every strategy out there. Open Speedling expand but you don't send out your lings for map control? Fail. Open 2RaxFE but you lose your army to forcefields trying to go up the ramp? Protoss counterattacks and you die. Open ForgeFE (Like Alicia did) and have drops circumvent your wall off? Yes, you also fail. Do you even understand what strategy is? Or are you like Idra and simply pretend that strategies are only allowed if you say so?
yes when your "Strategy" fails, you indeed do lose. But you have no idea what a strategy is. 1 Rax FE is not a strategy. 3 gate FE is not a strategy. Opening hatch first is not a strategy. Forge FE is not a strategy.
When you know what a strategy is, I'll consider your points, until then, back to school.
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On June 29 2011 22:32 NickelMail wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 22:11 lorkac wrote:On June 29 2011 22:03 NickelMail wrote:On June 29 2011 21:55 tangwhat wrote:On June 29 2011 21:52 NickelMail wrote:
its just when Alicia's cheesy builds work everyone calls him a genius. When they fail they're shocked and wonder why he would cheese. When thats almost all of his builds. Weird cheesy play. Almost every game. I don't think I've seen you make a single good post since you registered. 2 gate stargate expand PvT and DT Expand PvT as well as 6 gate blink timings PvZ have been around forever. The definition of cheese is that if it gets scouted you're pretty fucked. Turns out all those 3 builds are incredibly safe/solid and transition well into playing a longer game. 1 base voidray and DT , 6 gate Blink Stalker are not "Standard" play. When they fail, u lose cause you have no midgame tech. Terran walks down with stim and medivacs and u die. Their variety builds to mix up your play, but korean protoss, and especially Alecia use them 80% of the time. Just watch the last 10 protoss games at GSL, maybe 1 standard game teching to mid/late game play. Actually, when any strategy fails--you lose. Imagine doing a hatch first and they kill your hatch? Fail. 1Rax FE and they kill your scvs with a drop? Fail. How about a 3GateFE where they kill all your sentries? Fail. Actually any strategy where your main crutch is countered is a strategy that fails. That's kind of why there's usually a "main crutch" to every strategy out there. Open Speedling expand but you don't send out your lings for map control? Fail. Open 2RaxFE but you lose your army to forcefields trying to go up the ramp? Protoss counterattacks and you die. Open ForgeFE (Like Alicia did) and have drops circumvent your wall off? Yes, you also fail. Do you even understand what strategy is? Or are you like Idra and simply pretend that strategies are only allowed if you say so? yes when your "Strategy" fails, you indeed do lose. But you have no idea what a strategy is. 1 Rax FE is not a strategy. 3 gate FE is not a strategy. Opening hatch first is not a strategy. Forge FE is not a strategy. When you know what a strategy is, I'll consider your points, until then, back to school.
Strategy: A plan of action designed to achieve a particular goal.
Yeah those are strategies.
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Hmmm...is it just me or is MC so much more ahead in terms of metagame and skills than all other Korean protosses out there?
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On June 29 2011 22:39 Kommander wrote:
Hmmm...is it just me or is MC so much more ahead in terms of metagame and skills than all other Korean protosses out there?
Not if Huk is considered a korean protoss 
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On June 29 2011 22:39 Kommander wrote:
Hmmm...is it just me or is MC so much more ahead in terms of metagame and skills than all other Korean protosses out there?
He is the best Protoss in the world.
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On June 29 2011 22:29 -Zoda- wrote:
I knew MKP wasn't going to make it. Every times he got far in tournament, the next season has seen him fall during the group stages.
But Coca !? I couldn't watch the games, but it looks like Alicia's PvZ is quite bad, or that Coca is a beast...
Yeah. Maybe he burns out. All that emotion. I guess he has to learn how to lose with er... less stress.
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On June 29 2011 22:41 Femari wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 22:39 Kommander wrote:
Hmmm...is it just me or is MC so much more ahead in terms of metagame and skills than all other Korean protosses out there? He is the best Protoss in the world.
though he did lose to both naniwa and huk in the homestory cup. just saying.
he probably has the best PvZ in the world though
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Damn son, didn't see MKP dropping down to U/D Matches.
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On June 29 2011 22:41 Femari wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 22:39 Kommander wrote:
Hmmm...is it just me or is MC so much more ahead in terms of metagame and skills than all other Korean protosses out there? He is the best Protoss in the world.
He's way ahead. He uses 4-gate, 6-gate, proxy, Dt play as a supplement to his normal standard play. Virtually every other protoss uses 4-Gate, 6-Gate, proxy/DT play AS their standard play.
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On June 29 2011 22:38 Femari wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 22:32 NickelMail wrote:On June 29 2011 22:11 lorkac wrote:On June 29 2011 22:03 NickelMail wrote:On June 29 2011 21:55 tangwhat wrote:On June 29 2011 21:52 NickelMail wrote:
its just when Alicia's cheesy builds work everyone calls him a genius. When they fail they're shocked and wonder why he would cheese. When thats almost all of his builds. Weird cheesy play. Almost every game. I don't think I've seen you make a single good post since you registered. 2 gate stargate expand PvT and DT Expand PvT as well as 6 gate blink timings PvZ have been around forever. The definition of cheese is that if it gets scouted you're pretty fucked. Turns out all those 3 builds are incredibly safe/solid and transition well into playing a longer game. 1 base voidray and DT , 6 gate Blink Stalker are not "Standard" play. When they fail, u lose cause you have no midgame tech. Terran walks down with stim and medivacs and u die. Their variety builds to mix up your play, but korean protoss, and especially Alecia use them 80% of the time. Just watch the last 10 protoss games at GSL, maybe 1 standard game teching to mid/late game play. Actually, when any strategy fails--you lose. Imagine doing a hatch first and they kill your hatch? Fail. 1Rax FE and they kill your scvs with a drop? Fail. How about a 3GateFE where they kill all your sentries? Fail. Actually any strategy where your main crutch is countered is a strategy that fails. That's kind of why there's usually a "main crutch" to every strategy out there. Open Speedling expand but you don't send out your lings for map control? Fail. Open 2RaxFE but you lose your army to forcefields trying to go up the ramp? Protoss counterattacks and you die. Open ForgeFE (Like Alicia did) and have drops circumvent your wall off? Yes, you also fail. Do you even understand what strategy is? Or are you like Idra and simply pretend that strategies are only allowed if you say so? yes when your "Strategy" fails, you indeed do lose. But you have no idea what a strategy is. 1 Rax FE is not a strategy. 3 gate FE is not a strategy. Opening hatch first is not a strategy. Forge FE is not a strategy. When you know what a strategy is, I'll consider your points, until then, back to school. Strategy: A plan of action designed to achieve a particular goal. Yeah those are strategies.
If you believe those are strategies - then i rest my case.
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i think MKP suffers from the same issues as MMA; their styles have been figured out and the game has shifted into a phase where their old trademark styles no longer work. if MKP doesnt adapt he will probably fall out of GSL forever.
You can no longer rely on marine micro to be succesful in TvZ
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On June 29 2011 22:43 quiet noise wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 22:41 Femari wrote:On June 29 2011 22:39 Kommander wrote:
Hmmm...is it just me or is MC so much more ahead in terms of metagame and skills than all other Korean protosses out there? He is the best Protoss in the world. though he did lose to both naniwa and huk in the homestory cup. just saying. he probably has the best PvZ in the world though
MVP lost to Bomber. Doesn't make Bomber the best Terran in the world. Doesn't take away from MVP either. Just means that he isn't absolutely dominant.
And well HuK lives with MC so yeah.
On June 29 2011 22:45 NickelMail wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 22:38 Femari wrote:On June 29 2011 22:32 NickelMail wrote:On June 29 2011 22:11 lorkac wrote:On June 29 2011 22:03 NickelMail wrote:On June 29 2011 21:55 tangwhat wrote:On June 29 2011 21:52 NickelMail wrote:
its just when Alicia's cheesy builds work everyone calls him a genius. When they fail they're shocked and wonder why he would cheese. When thats almost all of his builds. Weird cheesy play. Almost every game. I don't think I've seen you make a single good post since you registered. 2 gate stargate expand PvT and DT Expand PvT as well as 6 gate blink timings PvZ have been around forever. The definition of cheese is that if it gets scouted you're pretty fucked. Turns out all those 3 builds are incredibly safe/solid and transition well into playing a longer game. 1 base voidray and DT , 6 gate Blink Stalker are not "Standard" play. When they fail, u lose cause you have no midgame tech. Terran walks down with stim and medivacs and u die. Their variety builds to mix up your play, but korean protoss, and especially Alecia use them 80% of the time. Just watch the last 10 protoss games at GSL, maybe 1 standard game teching to mid/late game play. Actually, when any strategy fails--you lose. Imagine doing a hatch first and they kill your hatch? Fail. 1Rax FE and they kill your scvs with a drop? Fail. How about a 3GateFE where they kill all your sentries? Fail. Actually any strategy where your main crutch is countered is a strategy that fails. That's kind of why there's usually a "main crutch" to every strategy out there. Open Speedling expand but you don't send out your lings for map control? Fail. Open 2RaxFE but you lose your army to forcefields trying to go up the ramp? Protoss counterattacks and you die. Open ForgeFE (Like Alicia did) and have drops circumvent your wall off? Yes, you also fail. Do you even understand what strategy is? Or are you like Idra and simply pretend that strategies are only allowed if you say so? yes when your "Strategy" fails, you indeed do lose. But you have no idea what a strategy is. 1 Rax FE is not a strategy. 3 gate FE is not a strategy. Opening hatch first is not a strategy. Forge FE is not a strategy. When you know what a strategy is, I'll consider your points, until then, back to school. Strategy: A plan of action designed to achieve a particular goal. Yeah those are strategies. If you believe those are strategies - then i rest my case.
Do you have some secret knowledge that the definition of strategy has changed? What are you going to say? They're build orders? They're openings? Build orders are strategies. By definition those are all strategies.
I think you're the one who needs to go to school.
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On June 29 2011 22:39 Kommander wrote:
Hmmm...is it just me or is MC so much more ahead in terms of metagame and skills than all other Korean protosses out there?
Read the DH Top 10 stories article on the front page. Bomber mentions that European Protosses are a lot more evolved than Korean protosses, and compares it to how Korean Terrans are a lot more evolved.
I can kind of agree with the sentiment here. Aside from Alicia, MC and Genius (who play very unique styles), there is no real standard Protoss build aside from 1 or 2 base timings, and no real upcoming Protoss has shown any form of inspiration for a long time now.
Compare and contrast that with how Naniwa, SaSe, Hasu, White-Ra and the likes play. It is really very refreshing to see the variety in their playstyle while at the same time being extremely solid.
Huk was one of the few who actually planned for a long game and shows a pretty good dynamic skillset, but was let down in the past by rather inconsistent play. Hopefully now with the confidence of his 2 European wins in the bag, he can show something inspiring.
(Puzzle could be someone to watch out for though. He was always touted as a huge upcoming player, but failed to live up to expectations.)
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On June 29 2011 22:46 quiet noise wrote:
i think MKP suffers from the same issues as MMA; their styles have been figured out and the game has shifted into a phase where their old trademark styles no longer work. if MKP doesnt adapt he will probably fall out of GSL forever.
people post this everytime.. after his first final it was posted, after his second final it was posted, after his third final it was posted and now after his semi-final he got figured out again?
He is an insanely good player, definitely among the top 4 but he gets overconfident and cocky like shown in the game vs Losira. He still is one of the best at TvZ and if he had made tanks earlier he could beat Losira with one hand tied behind his back. Too bad he decided to be an idiot and tried to look cool instead of actually playing.
Also I think most people would say he outplayed Alicia in the game, even though it was an amazing game and the gold saved Alicia.
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On June 29 2011 22:29 Biane wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 22:27 MrCon wrote:On June 29 2011 22:25 Biane wrote:On June 29 2011 22:22 MrCon wrote:On June 29 2011 22:20 Sorkoas wrote:On June 29 2011 22:19 MrCon wrote:On June 29 2011 22:14 Sorkoas wrote:
MrCon clearly has issues and shouldn't be allowed to admin these threads.
Yes, I'm mad. Wat. You're mad about what ? Your immature bias opinions about MKP I'm sorry but...wat ? Which opinion are you talking about ? well for starters.... CoCa <Tal'Darim Altar> Alicia
LosirA <Crossfire SE> MarineKing
CoCa <Xel'Naga Caverns> LosirA
Alicia <Dual Sight> MarineKing I HATE YOU MKP
CoCa <Metalopolis> Alicia
Losira advances to ro16 2-0
Coca advances to ro16 2-1
Alicia stays in code S 1-2
MKP drops to the up and down like a ******** noob.
We all MKP lost, fine. but you dont have to say
"MKP drops to the up and down like a ******** noob." its almost like an insult to his fans Ha ok, you think I don't like him...I'm one of his biggest fan, that's why I am so mad against him for playing like that. Go one or 2 pages back I tried to explain my frustration. *me walks away in shame* Sorry. didnt read the last few pages T_T
Not a problem...I think my "remarks" in op are confusing, I was frustrated, will remove them.
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Genius back in somewhat good shape? didn't see that coming tbh. Although he didn't do that bad last season, i did not see him advancing out of that group. 
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