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can we please leave boxer-related talk out of this lr thread.
if you want to discuss it go make another thread and talk in there.
bittman
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
June 29 2011 13:06 GMT
#2941
Ahh MKP, I think I'll be changing you into auto anti-vote at least every second season =/

Happy Losira made it through, and that Alicia's hype was again unfounded (sorry, I'm yet to see what all the fuss is about). Did not expect Coca to get through, but dark horses make tournaments more exciting. As much as everyone would hype a semi final lineup of like NesteavMC and MVPvNada or something, it'll never happen so it's nice to find an underdog.
Mvp - Leenock - Dongraegu - MC - Gumiho - Keen - Polt - Squirtle - Jjakji - Genius - Seed - Life - sC - Dream || LG-IM - MVP - FXO
tangwhat
Profile Joined May 2010
New Zealand446 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-29 13:08:34
June 29 2011 13:07 GMT
#2942
On June 29 2011 22:03 NickelMail wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2011 21:55 tangwhat wrote:
On June 29 2011 21:52 NickelMail wrote:
its just when Alicia's cheesy builds work everyone calls him a genius. When they fail they're shocked and wonder why he would cheese. When thats almost all of his builds. Weird cheesy play. Almost every game.


I don't think I've seen you make a single good post since you registered. 2 gate stargate expand PvT and DT Expand PvT as well as 6 gate blink timings PvZ have been around forever. The definition of cheese is that if it gets scouted you're pretty fucked. Turns out all those 3 builds are incredibly safe/solid and transition well into playing a longer game.


1 base voidray and DT , 6 gate Blink Stalker are not "Standard" play. When they fail, u lose cause you have no midgame tech. Terran walks down with stim and medivacs and u die. Their variety builds to mix up your play, but korean protoss, and especially Alecia use them 80% of the time. Just watch the last 10 protoss games at GSL, maybe 1 standard game teching to mid/late game play.


If you think 6 gate blink stalker build puts you behind when you fail then you obviously haven't been paying attention to HuK or the chinese protosses. You can definitely go FFE into 6 gate blink stalkers with a robo and put a ton of pressure on zerg so that you can get a third up without the zerg being able to saturate his own third. I fail to see how opening up templar tech and getting a fast +2 atk upgrade and a robo and delaying a zerg from saturating their third is somehow having no midgame tech.

DT expand is pretty standard, a lot of people do it and it's transition into chargelot archon in PvT is incredibly popular. Also stargate expand builds have been standard ever since MC won using them in whichever GSL he won. BTW you notice how Alicia moves away after he sees MKP try to be mobile with the medivacs? Yeah that's because stargate expand in pvT is meant to buy you time and to punish wallins. If you don't think any of this is standard play then you're probably not a very good player.
ThatGuy89
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1968 Posts
June 29 2011 13:08 GMT
#2943
so as a toss player its good to know that:
4 gate = cheese
DT opening = cheese
SG = cheese
6 gate = cheese

so basically all we can do as toss is expand early, without applying any pressure cos that'd be cheesey. Then we cant use DTs or any air units at all, and if at any point i have 6 gates, im cheesing again

dam, now i know why i cant get out of platinum -_-
seriously some people are just crazy when shit goes down in tournaments that they dont agree with. Its a game, support the players you like but leave it at that. Dont turn it into something religious
vertical101
Profile Joined April 2011
Hong Kong311 Posts
June 29 2011 13:10 GMT
#2944
people are just stupid everything they see is a cheese
lorkac
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2297 Posts
June 29 2011 13:11 GMT
#2945
On June 29 2011 22:03 NickelMail wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2011 21:55 tangwhat wrote:
On June 29 2011 21:52 NickelMail wrote:
its just when Alicia's cheesy builds work everyone calls him a genius. When they fail they're shocked and wonder why he would cheese. When thats almost all of his builds. Weird cheesy play. Almost every game.


I don't think I've seen you make a single good post since you registered. 2 gate stargate expand PvT and DT Expand PvT as well as 6 gate blink timings PvZ have been around forever. The definition of cheese is that if it gets scouted you're pretty fucked. Turns out all those 3 builds are incredibly safe/solid and transition well into playing a longer game.


1 base voidray and DT , 6 gate Blink Stalker are not "Standard" play. When they fail, u lose cause you have no midgame tech. Terran walks down with stim and medivacs and u die. Their variety builds to mix up your play, but korean protoss, and especially Alecia use them 80% of the time. Just watch the last 10 protoss games at GSL, maybe 1 standard game teching to mid/late game play.


Actually, when any strategy fails--you lose.

Imagine doing a hatch first and they kill your hatch? Fail.

1Rax FE and they kill your scvs with a drop? Fail.

How about a 3GateFE where they kill all your sentries? Fail.

Actually any strategy where your main crutch is countered is a strategy that fails. That's kind of why there's usually a "main crutch" to every strategy out there.

Open Speedling expand but you don't send out your lings for map control? Fail.

Open 2RaxFE but you lose your army to forcefields trying to go up the ramp? Protoss counterattacks and you die.

Open ForgeFE (Like Alicia did) and have drops circumvent your wall off? Yes, you also fail.

Do you even understand what strategy is? Or are you like Idra and simply pretend that strategies are only allowed if you say so?
By the truth we are undone. Life is a dream. Tis waking that kills us. He who robs us of our dreams robs us of our life --Orlando: A Biography
The KY
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United Kingdom6252 Posts
June 29 2011 13:13 GMT
#2946
On June 29 2011 22:08 ThatGuy89 wrote:
so as a toss player its good to know that:
4 gate = cheese
DT opening = cheese
SG = cheese
6 gate = cheese

so basically all we can do as toss is expand early, without applying any pressure cos that'd be cheesey. Then we cant use DTs or any air units at all, and if at any point i have 6 gates, im cheesing again

dam, now i know why i cant get out of platinum -_-
seriously some people are just crazy when shit goes down in tournaments that they dont agree with. Its a game, support the players you like but leave it at that. Dont turn it into something religious


Nothing to do with protoss, unless every player expands early without applying pressure, with a view to only acquire more expansions, it's cheese according to some dense people.
Sorkoas
Profile Joined May 2010
549 Posts
June 29 2011 13:14 GMT
#2947
MrCon clearly has issues and shouldn't be allowed to admin these threads.

Yes, I'm mad.
tangwhat
Profile Joined May 2010
New Zealand446 Posts
June 29 2011 13:14 GMT
#2948
On June 29 2011 22:13 The KY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2011 22:08 ThatGuy89 wrote:
so as a toss player its good to know that:
4 gate = cheese
DT opening = cheese
SG = cheese
6 gate = cheese

so basically all we can do as toss is expand early, without applying any pressure cos that'd be cheesey. Then we cant use DTs or any air units at all, and if at any point i have 6 gates, im cheesing again

dam, now i know why i cant get out of platinum -_-
seriously some people are just crazy when shit goes down in tournaments that they dont agree with. Its a game, support the players you like but leave it at that. Dont turn it into something religious


Nothing to do with protoss, unless every player expands early without applying pressure, with a view to only acquire more expansions, it's cheese according to some dense people.


A race to get the most bases in the game. Ah truly a worthy game for the capitalist masses.
lorkac
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2297 Posts
June 29 2011 13:14 GMT
#2949
On June 29 2011 22:13 The KY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2011 22:08 ThatGuy89 wrote:
so as a toss player its good to know that:
4 gate = cheese
DT opening = cheese
SG = cheese
6 gate = cheese

so basically all we can do as toss is expand early, without applying any pressure cos that'd be cheesey. Then we cant use DTs or any air units at all, and if at any point i have 6 gates, im cheesing again

dam, now i know why i cant get out of platinum -_-
seriously some people are just crazy when shit goes down in tournaments that they dont agree with. Its a game, support the players you like but leave it at that. Dont turn it into something religious


Nothing to do with protoss, unless every player expands early without applying pressure, with a view to only acquire more expansions, it's cheese according to some dense people.


It sounds like players miss having NR20 Money Maps lol
By the truth we are undone. Life is a dream. Tis waking that kills us. He who robs us of our dreams robs us of our life --Orlando: A Biography
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
June 29 2011 13:19 GMT
#2950
On June 29 2011 22:14 Sorkoas wrote:
MrCon clearly has issues and shouldn't be allowed to admin these threads.

Yes, I'm mad.

Wat. You're mad about what ?
Sorkoas
Profile Joined May 2010
549 Posts
June 29 2011 13:20 GMT
#2951
On June 29 2011 22:19 MrCon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2011 22:14 Sorkoas wrote:
MrCon clearly has issues and shouldn't be allowed to admin these threads.

Yes, I'm mad.

Wat. You're mad about what ?

Your immature bias opinions about MKP
57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
June 29 2011 13:20 GMT
#2952
Damn, just missed the end of the broadcast.
Survival is winning, everything else is bullshit.
s3rp
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany3192 Posts
June 29 2011 13:21 GMT
#2953
I wouldn't call Alicia a cheeser neccesarily BUT if you watch him he's allways doing somekind of preesure build . You have to know that if you are MKP and you have to know that on Dualsight your Buildings will be very close to the Lowground . You have to be more ready and play saver then what he played. He would have won if he scouted the gold before he went to Alicias base but still . MKP just totally played the wrong style against what Alicia will do 95% of the time and that appyling pressure be it 6 Gate , Stargate-build or DT's . He's not going for a 1 Gate expo or anything kind of really early expo. Don't think i ever saw that in his PvT . You gotta play smarter then what MKP did.
Corwintt
Profile Joined June 2010
Bulgaria85 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-29 13:22:31
June 29 2011 13:22 GMT
#2954
Impossible is nothing
imkp
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom139 Posts
June 29 2011 13:22 GMT
#2955
On June 29 2011 22:20 Sorkoas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2011 22:19 MrCon wrote:
On June 29 2011 22:14 Sorkoas wrote:
MrCon clearly has issues and shouldn't be allowed to admin these threads.

Yes, I'm mad.

Wat. You're mad about what ?

Your immature bias opinions about MKP


He's joking. His threads are amazing, quit whining.
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
June 29 2011 13:22 GMT
#2956
On June 29 2011 22:20 Sorkoas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2011 22:19 MrCon wrote:
On June 29 2011 22:14 Sorkoas wrote:
MrCon clearly has issues and shouldn't be allowed to admin these threads.

Yes, I'm mad.

Wat. You're mad about what ?

Your immature bias opinions about MKP

I'm sorry but...wat ? Which opinion are you talking about ?
Femari
Profile Joined June 2011
United States2900 Posts
June 29 2011 13:22 GMT
#2957
On June 29 2011 22:20 Sorkoas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2011 22:19 MrCon wrote:
On June 29 2011 22:14 Sorkoas wrote:
MrCon clearly has issues and shouldn't be allowed to admin these threads.

Yes, I'm mad.

Wat. You're mad about what ?

Your immature bias opinions about MKP

Wait are you talking about him being mad at MKP?
Mvp | BoxeR | MarineKing | MC | viOlet | Scarlett | Flash | Bisu | XellOs | Sea | Fantasy | By.Sun
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12704 Posts
June 29 2011 13:22 GMT
#2958
Wow... did not expect two zergs to advance over MKP O.o
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
Biane
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia645 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-29 13:29:42
June 29 2011 13:25 GMT
#2959
my appologies to MrCon*

now that was just embarassing myself T_T
Biane
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia645 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-29 13:25:57
June 29 2011 13:25 GMT
#2960
edit: accidental repost
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