EPTDHS2011 - Day 1 - Page 578
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Mios
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Femari
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On June 19 2011 11:35 oogieogie wrote: the big idra fanboys and the big idra haters are what makes watching idra play a real treat imo lol imo its the fact that he'll either play a really good game or just ragequit is the best thing about watching idra play though then again i am new to the community so i cant say much about idra fans/haters im surprised with his results so far though | ||
GTR
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gosu86
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Taf the Ghost
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On June 19 2011 12:08 Mios wrote: I really hate when tiebreakers go to who won the bo3 between them. Grubby beat merz while Idra didn't, which should cancel that out. They really should have them play another bo3 to decide the tiebreaker, Grubby did exactly as well as Idra in groups, but doesn't have a chance to advance. They are both +1 in score, Grubby losing one game less and Idra winning one game more... http://master.dreamhack.se/DHS11/files/2011/06/DHS11_SC2_RULES.pdf It's Record, then Games Won, then Head to Head. (There's also a rule for a 3 way tie) Tie breakers are there to break ties. What the name implies. It's also there to give an advantage to the player that did better in their losses. If Grubby had lost both of his games 1-2, he'd have advanced over Idra. The head-to-head actually isn't really important in this format. It's that every game counts. | ||
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brentsen
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On June 19 2011 12:14 GTR wrote: who won the two byoc spots? One is Sarens and for the other one they are still playing it out. oO | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On June 19 2011 12:14 GTR wrote: who won the two byoc spots? Sarens has 1 spot. I think the other is still up for grabs. | ||
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sc2guy
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On June 19 2011 12:14 gosu86 wrote: anyone know where to find thorzain vs july link?it's not up on day9 yet =( i am also looking for the stream link. appreciate if somebody can PM me. thanks in advance. | ||
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KimJongChill
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Taf the Ghost
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gosu86
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On June 19 2011 12:19 sc2guy wrote: i am also looking for the stream link. appreciate if somebody can PM me. thanks in advance. damn day 9 taking forever he promised it be up in 1 hour it like many hours from than now lol only match i missed and i really wanted to see if anyone has a link plz i will post as soon as i have a link | ||
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Mios
United States686 Posts
On June 19 2011 12:16 Taf the Ghost wrote: http://master.dreamhack.se/DHS11/files/2011/06/DHS11_SC2_RULES.pdf It's Record, then Games Won, then Head to Head. (There's also a rule for a 3 way tie) Tie breakers are there to break ties. What the name implies. It's also there to give an advantage to the player that did better in their losses. If Grubby had lost both of his games 1-2, he'd have advanced over Idra. The head-to-head actually isn't really important in this format. It's that every game counts. "Games Won" is a dumb way to break a tie, it should be (Games Won - Games Lost) in which case they would be tied since Grubby had one less loss (7-6 vs 6-5). My argument is Head to Head is a dumb way to break a tie, but I guess that doesn't even matter since Games Won, which is what gave idra the tiebreaker, is even more dumb. Yes, losing 2-1 is better than 2-0, but winning 2-0 should be better than winning 2-1, and in this case it's not since losses don't matter. For example, a 7-4 player should win the tiebreaker vs a 7-6 player, but this isn't the case. Really dumb format. The only tiebreaker after record should be points, aka games won - games lost. If they are tied in that sense then they have truly performed equally in the group and should get a chance to play to break the tie. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
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Halym
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FairForever
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On June 19 2011 12:57 Mios wrote: "Games Won" is a dumb way to break a tie, it should be (Games Won - Games Lost) in which case they would be tied since Grubby had one less loss (7-6 vs 6-5). My argument is Head to Head is a dumb way to break a tie, but I guess that doesn't even matter since Games Won, which is what gave idra the tiebreaker, is even more dumb. Yes, losing 2-1 is better than 2-0, but winning 2-0 should be better than winning 2-1, and in this case it's not since losses don't matter. For example, a 7-4 player should win the tiebreaker vs a 7-6 player, but this isn't the case. Really dumb format. The only tiebreaker after record should be points, aka games won - games lost. If they are tied in that sense then they have truly performed equally in the group and should get a chance to play to break the tie. Games Won - Games Lost is the first tiebreaker, they're equal. Second one is Games Won - I agree this one may not be the best one. Third is Head-To-Head. You say this is unfair but it isn't really, if Idra beats Grubby then he deserves to move on ahead of Grubby is the thinking. Yes Idra lost to merz who lost to Grubby but that hardly matters. I like Grubby but even I realize this is realistic. Pretty much in EVERY sport the tiebreakers are either Games Won or Head-To-Head. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On June 19 2011 12:57 Mios wrote: "Games Won" is a dumb way to break a tie, it should be (Games Won - Games Lost) in which case they would be tied since Grubby had one less loss (7-6 vs 6-5). My argument is Head to Head is a dumb way to break a tie, but I guess that doesn't even matter since Games Won, which is what gave idra the tiebreaker, is even more dumb. Yes, losing 2-1 is better than 2-0, but winning 2-0 should be better than winning 2-1, and in this case it's not since losses don't matter. For example, a 7-4 player should win the tiebreaker vs a 7-6 player, but this isn't the case. Really dumb format. The only tiebreaker after record should be points, aka games won - games lost. If they are tied in that sense then they have truly performed equally in the group and should get a chance to play to break the tie. Well, I guess I didn't destroy the completely illogical parts of your original complaint. Let me be more clear. You were arguing that Head to Head should matter less than who Grubby beat that Idra didn't. You then say they should *play again* because Idra already beat him. Why should they play again? They already played and Idra won. What's the point of replaying something that already happened and we know the result of, in this tournament? You're arguing that the *results* don't matter. This makes no sense. This isn't a 3-way tie situation, where there is circular tie-breakers. Now, on your recent post makes a tad more sense. But, when you go to games lost, in a 1 to 1 comparison, you have to weigh which is a better predictor: the Head to Head match OR total losses. That's up for the tournament to decide, and I can see an argument for Game Losses before Head to Head, but that does create a situation where "who you beat" doesn't matter that much. If you want to make that suggestion, you can go to Dreamhack's site and send in the suggestion. | ||
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Jacobs Ladder
United States1705 Posts
On June 19 2011 12:01 Chickenlegs wrote: The guys fighting in the open brackets are heroes, still 2-3 Bo3 left and it's 5 am, playing aaall day ZPUX HWAITING! | ||
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butter
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Taf the Ghost
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brentsen
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