EPTDHS2011 - Day 1 - Page 579
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Powerforged2
Canada48 Posts
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Jacobs Ladder
United States1705 Posts
On June 19 2011 12:16 Taf the Ghost wrote: Sarens has 1 spot. I think the other is still up for grabs. The bracket doesn't seem up to date, where'd you figure that out? | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On June 19 2011 13:40 Jacobs Ladder wrote: The bracket doesn't seem up to date, where'd you figure that out? Someone posted it about 5 pages back. He beat MeYara to go to the BYOC final. Then promptly forfeited the Finals to get some sleep. | ||
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Mios
United States686 Posts
On June 19 2011 13:30 Taf the Ghost wrote: Well, I guess I didn't destroy the completely illogical parts of your original complaint. Let me be more clear. You were arguing that Head to Head should matter less than who Grubby beat that Idra didn't. You then say they should *play again* because Idra already beat him. Why should they play again? They already played and Idra won. What's the point of replaying something that already happened and we know the result of, in this tournament? You're arguing that the *results* don't matter. This makes no sense. This isn't a 3-way tie situation, where there is circular tie-breakers. Now, on your recent post makes a tad more sense. But, when you go to games lost, in a 1 to 1 comparison, you have to weigh which is a better predictor: the Head to Head match OR total losses. That's up for the tournament to decide, and I can see an argument for Game Losses before Head to Head, but that does create a situation where "who you beat" doesn't matter that much. If you want to make that suggestion, you can go to Dreamhack's site and send in the suggestion. My argument is that who you beat shouldn't matter at all, overall group results are all that matter. Grubby and Idra did exactly the same in the group, therefore they are tied. Head to head doesn't make sense the same way extended series in MLG doesn't make sense. On June 19 2011 12:16 Taf the Ghost wrote: You were arguing that Head to Head should matter less than who Grubby beat that Idra didn't. No, I'm arguing that they are equal. I think Idra beating Grubby should be cancelled out by Idra losing to somebody that Grubby beat. Grubby outplayed Idra in one sense, and Idra outplayed Grubby in another. They are even. If they play again, one of them will come out ahead, overall, and deserve to advance. I also don't think game losses are more important than wins, I think they're equal, and points (wins - losses) is the true indicator of performance in the group stage, and should be the only measure of who should advance when their bo3 wins are equal. | ||
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brentsen
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On June 19 2011 13:40 Jacobs Ladder wrote: The bracket doesn't seem up to date, where'd you figure that out? It was on the stream. The winner bracket went way faster than the loser bracket. Sarens won his place in the final and then went to sleep since it doesn't matter. Also I don't think the BYOC was intended to take that long, must have been some delays. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On June 19 2011 13:44 brentsen wrote: It was on the stream. The winner bracket went way faster than the loser bracket. Sarens won his place in the final and then went to sleep since it doesn't matter. Also I don't think the BYOC was intended to take that long, must have been some delays. Probably one of the Bo3s got held up in due to an 80 minute TvT or something. Maybe they got past 40 nukes. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
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JohnnyBlaze420
Australia814 Posts
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LaiShin
Australia978 Posts
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jdsarge
United States308 Posts
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JohnnyBlaze420
Australia814 Posts
On June 19 2011 14:10 LaiShin wrote: so did MC commentate HUk's games? yea he did co cast with TB for his games against tarson... u can find them on TB's justin tv somewhere in the vods | ||
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The_Unseen
France1923 Posts
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Scrandom
Canada2819 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26499 Posts
Was nice to see Grubby doing pretty well, I genuinely think the guy can step up in the coming months but we'll see, there are a lot of talented players around | ||
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ForeverSleep
Canada920 Posts
On June 19 2011 14:10 LaiShin wrote: so did MC commentate HUk's games? they are up on Totalbiscuit's youtube channel too | ||
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DoomsVille
Canada4885 Posts
They need to have a set of rules to govern how ties are broken. If it was all based on playing games, then it could potentially take forever if you had a 3 way tie or something like that. Hell in IdrA's group there was a possibility of a 5 way tie for the last spot (and it was a realistic possibility too). What the hell are you going to do in that case? Have another 5 man round robin? They need rules to break ties. They picked them. The ones they chose are the most logical You may not agree with Games won as a good tiebreaker, but it is what it is. They chose it. It's not unfair to either player. There have been ties plenty of times in many tournaments and tiebreaker rules have broken them. Just because you hate IdrA or love Grubby doesn't mean they should change how tiebreakers are handled. What's more absurd is that IdrA advances over Grubby in almost every imaginable tiebreaker rule. I can't believe this argument has raged on for this long. | ||
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JohnnyBlaze420
Australia814 Posts
On June 19 2011 13:35 Powerforged2 wrote: I see there are some vods up on day9's site, but only a few that I could find.. does anyone know where I can catch the huk games?? yo for his matches vs fury go to this http://www.justin.tv/dreamhacksc2c then go to the vod that is from the least amount of hours ago and game 1 starts at like 1h 50 in part 3 | ||
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Egyptian_Head
South Africa508 Posts
On June 19 2011 14:25 DoomsVille wrote: Can you guys stop arguing about the way the tiebreakers are run? They need to have a set of rules to govern how ties are broken. If it was all based on playing games, then it could potentially take forever if you had a 3 way tie or something like that. Hell in IdrA's group there was a possibility of a 5 way tie for the last spot (and it was a realistic possibility too). What the hell are you going to do in that case? Have another 5 man round robin? They need rules to break ties. They picked them. The ones they chose are the most logical You may not agree with Games won as a good tiebreaker, but it is what it is. They chose it. It's not unfair to either player. There have been ties plenty of times in many tournaments and tiebreaker rules have broken them. Just because you hate IdrA or love Grubby doesn't mean they should change how tiebreakers are handled. What's more absurd is that IdrA advances over Grubby in almost every imaginable tiebreaker rule. I can't believe this argument has raged on for this long. All this arguing is irrelevant anyway since grubby and Idra are playing again to see who advances http://dreamhack.binarybeast.com/ As you can see they have added another round for the match. | ||
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DoomsVille
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