EPT[NASL] Playoffs Day 1 - Page 57
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sitromit
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ZeaL.
United States5955 Posts
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starcraft911
Korea (South)1263 Posts
On June 16 2011 21:26 lazyfeet wrote: You can't say nada is average since he is the most consistent player in gsl. July wasn't consider a bad player when they pick him. If you look at it squirtle and ace did the worst in gsl but were picked because of IEM exposure. They obvious pick the korean players all based on their popularity. They picked them based on that and the fact that they were the 'best' that applied be in popularity or skill (usually skill breeds popularity). You guys are acting like EVERY korean signed up. In order to get into NASL you had to make a video and actually WANT to be in the NASL. They didn't just invite you and then you choose to accept or not. Hasn't Idra at some point or another called every Korean Zerg "bad', including Nestea? It's his standard response to anything he finds illogical. Some of Nestea's decisions are definitely questionable even in games he wins if you look at the game through eyes that see the game as a set path of optimal choices. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18255 Posts
This, btw, is regardless of whether he won or lost. I presume he lost, because Zenio is better than him, but even so. He could simply have lost against MC who he hasn't played yet at the NASL. | ||
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IPA
United States3206 Posts
 Grats to Zenio, nice play. | ||
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Guiness
Canada54 Posts
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Mercury-
Great Britain804 Posts
On June 17 2011 00:04 sitromit wrote: Hasn't Idra at some point or another called every Korean Zerg "bad', including Nestea? Yes. He also called MVP bad during the Gisado Race Wars when he single handedly beat the Zerg lineup, including IdrA. | ||
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Shindou
United States120 Posts
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On June 16 2011 22:37 sitromit wrote: No, this is simply untrue. First, Idra does NOT have a habit of not scouting, he does so fairly persistently, including in ZvZ. In this game Zenio kept the pressure on him with the forward Ling/Roach/Bling force he kept poking with, and went Overlord hunting with his queen, leaving Idra in the dark. Second of all, people in this thread are exaggerating the effect of the opponent seeing the Mutas coming and switching to Hydras to counter it, like it's a guaranteed loss, it's not. We just saw this in the game between Junwi and Curious on Tal'Darim in iCCup Korean Weekly. Junwi saw the Mutas coming, and built Hydras, but Curious just used the Mutas for harass and map control, and was able to expand more easily because of it, because Hydras, while they do counter Mutas, are very immobile. Edit: Didn't Zenio also go Mutas in one of their games during the league, and Idra spotted it that time and got Hydras, and Zenio still won? It's not by any means an auto-loss. It was the game on Shattered Temple wasn't it? Going mutas in that particular situation was a (calculated) risk, because had Idra responded properly, he'd have been ahead. The map wasn't that large and they were in close positions, so hydra roach infestor, or even just roach infestor but with better timing, would've been strong and put Zenio significantly behind on late-game tech and econ. Could Zenio have won the game even then? Yes, because Zenio is used to playing from behind and could have taken more calculated risks had his muta gamble failed. He could've, for example, taken hidden expansions and put down more spine crawlers to try and hold Idra off. He could've tried burrowed banelings or speed bane flanks to kill the hydras. He could've gone mass infestors like he did in his previous games against Idra and hoped for Idra to make a control mistake. But he would've been at a significant disadvantage, and that's the point - coin-flips aren't necessarily of the sort where heads you win, tails you lose. They determine advantage, but the game is not over just because you lost a coin flip. | ||
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Zyphen
United States258 Posts
And apparently, the matchup is so much of a coinflip that Zenio is 6-0 vs Idra lifetime. You know how unlikely that would be if it were a true coinflip? 1.5% chance to win 6 in a row. Give credit where credit is due. Jeez. | ||
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kratos-23
303 Posts
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h-a-r-v
Poland30 Posts
When everyone else at MLG compared SC2 to chess when asked in pre-event interviews, Idra as the only one compared it to a real battle. I do wish with all my heart - if that's what it takes to get him into even higher level - that he was playing it like he's on war 'cause now, in fact, despite what he said, he's doing nothing but chess. Still a huge fan though  | ||
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B.I.G.
3251 Posts
On June 17 2011 01:33 h-a-r-v wrote: Regarding Idra-style analysis: When everyone else at MLG compared SC2 to chess when asked in pre-event interviews, Idra as the only one compared it to a real battle. I do wish with all my heart - if that's what it takes to get him into even higher level - that he was playing it like he's on war 'cause now, in fact, despite what he said, he's doing nothing but chess. Still a huge fan though what the hell does idra now about a real battle anyways | ||
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Zanno
United States1484 Posts
On June 17 2011 00:17 Acrofales wrote: I really don't like it that IdrA had to face Zenio in the groups and then the playoffs again. Even if the system is fine, the seeding is just plain weird. After playing Zenio in the groups, he shouldn't meet him in the playoff. This, btw, is regardless of whether he won or lost. I presume he lost, because Zenio is better than him, but even so. He could simply have lost against MC who he hasn't played yet at the NASL. from what i read on the forums (i don't honestly know if this is 100% true) he had an opportunity to play someone else and instead he fucked around in the tiebreaker matches | ||
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h-a-r-v
Poland30 Posts
On June 17 2011 01:37 B.I.G. wrote: what the hell does idra now about a real battle anyways Didn't I just say - not much? | ||
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TeWy
France714 Posts
And trying all-in of all kind (ex vs MC last time they plaid). Stop caricaturing him as the stupid idiot who can't figure out how to play a non-standard game. | ||
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proxY_
United States1561 Posts
I'm really looking forward to watching the vod again when it gets posted because the game didn't have my full attention last night. I remember thinking that idrA was infinitely ahead and then i see that idrA was pushing with lots of roaches against no roaches and then i see zenio go mutas and gg (yes i know idra rage quit but it was still a gg). Game 1 was just a build order loss for idrA there's really nothing to see there. If one player 9 pools and the other player goes hatch first the hatch first player should lose assuming that the 9 pooler knows what hes doing and handles the situation correctly. | ||
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nvs.
Canada3609 Posts
People need to become a little more objective and realize that most arguments fall in the middle of two extremes. | ||
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
The funny thing is the "debate" will restart too xD | ||
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Odoakar
Croatia1837 Posts
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