EPT"I heard SuperNoVa started the game with a disadvantage, SuperNoVa went for a safe build every time while his opponent went for a risky economical build so won against SuperNoVa."
So primarily a build order loss from the way MVP describes it.
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MayorITC
Korea (South)798 Posts
"I heard SuperNoVa started the game with a disadvantage, SuperNoVa went for a safe build every time while his opponent went for a risky economical build so won against SuperNoVa." So primarily a build order loss from the way MVP describes it. | ||
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Warillions
United States215 Posts
On December 10 2011 21:20 MayorITC wrote: From the MVP interview: "I heard SuperNoVa started the game with a disadvantage, SuperNoVa went for a safe build every time while his opponent went for a risky economical build so won against SuperNoVa." So primarily a build order loss from the way MVP describes it. so basically a failed scout from supernova, in important matches you must be prepaired to identify a risky opener. ppl are out for blood there and if you show a sign of not identify an early eco build time after time. then punish him time after time until he corrects his mistake. | ||
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Suohhen
United States59 Posts
On December 10 2011 21:20 MayorITC wrote: From the MVP interview: "I heard SuperNoVa started the game with a disadvantage, SuperNoVa went for a safe build every time while his opponent went for a risky economical build so won against SuperNoVa." So primarily a build order loss from the way MVP describes it. He stated that someone else described it as such. It would be strange if MVP would analyze something as such considering he opens with pressure in every game he plays and turns it into an all in if he smells blood. This is the best way to play as terran since you have some many options and the ability to hide your build order easily. Of course it requires the ability to adapt to what you see and keep your macro up on these decisions while applying early game pressure. Surely not an easy way to play but it's why the top level Koreans are successful. Supernova does not adapt anywhere near on the level that MVP can and that's why a player would choose to take these risks. It's the same thing that happens to Idra all the time, players go for very greedy play because they know he won't punish it, only in that case they also know they aren't going to get all-ined either. | ||
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Presidenten
Sweden777 Posts
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razy
Russian Federation899 Posts
On December 10 2011 21:20 MayorITC wrote: From the MVP interview: "I heard SuperNoVa started the game with a disadvantage, SuperNoVa went for a safe build every time while his opponent went for a risky economical build so won against SuperNoVa." So primarily a build order loss from the way MVP describes it. orly. I saw the second game. It was 1 gate expo into 3 gate while supernova went for 1 rax-gas with concussive + reaper opening into expo. Korean killed just 2 probes was pushed back and finished off of 3 gates cause he was late to throw bunker at his natural and couldn't handle a simple pressure. Cut ur korean bias out -_- | ||
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murtas
Portugal249 Posts
Nice job to didnt expect Kas nor TITTAN to beat koreans at this point. | ||
SarcasmMonster
3136 Posts
On December 10 2011 20:31 zyzq wrote: MVP now the holder of the #1 ELO spot in both the International scene and Korean scene So close to 70%+ winrate on both. He needs to win a few more games in korea  | ||
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xerurg
Ukraine56 Posts
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SeaSwift
Scotland4486 Posts
On December 10 2011 21:32 Suohhen wrote: He stated that someone else described it as such. It would be strange if MVP would analyze something as such considering he opens with pressure in every game he plays and turns it into an all in if he smells blood. This is the best way to play as terran since you have some many options and the ability to hide your build order easily. Of course it requires the ability to adapt to what you see and keep your macro up on these decisions while applying early game pressure. Surely not an easy way to play but it's why the top level Koreans are successful. Supernova does not adapt anywhere near on the level that MVP can and that's why a player would choose to take these risks. It's the same thing that happens to Idra all the time, players go for very greedy play because they know he won't punish it, only in that case they also know they aren't going to get all-ined either. Wait, what? Maybe in TvT and TvZ, but in TvP he either goes Marine/Tank timing push (or whatever you want to call it), which isn't a reactionary move, or plays pretty passive bio. But then, TvP isn't exactly MVP's strong point. I've said this before, but the reason why Naniwa could beat MVP in game 1 was exactly because of this: MVP went for a safe, passive bio play and Naniwa went for a greedy fast Nexus into Robo straight away. | ||
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Thezzphai
Germany1145 Posts
On December 10 2011 21:34 razy wrote: orly. I saw the second game. It was 1 gate expo into 3 gate while supernova went for 1 rax-gas with concussive + reaper opening into expo. Korean killed just 2 probes was pushed back and finished off of 3 gates cause he was late to throw bunker at his natural and couldn't handle a simple pressure. Cut ur korean bias out -_- I thought it was common knowledge that 1 gate expo is a freewin vs reaper expand... + Show Spoiler + No, I'm not serious. | ||
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Dumboprime
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Suohhen
United States59 Posts
On December 10 2011 21:54 SeaSwift wrote: Wait, what? Maybe in TvT and TvZ, but in TvP he either goes Marine/Tank timing push (or whatever you want to call it), which isn't a reactionary move, or plays pretty passive bio. But then, TvP isn't exactly MVP's strong point. I've said this before, but the reason why Naniwa could beat MVP in game 1 was exactly because of this: MVP went for a safe, passive bio play and Naniwa went for a greedy fast Nexus into Robo straight away. Of course there are games where MVP will play those styles, and the same goes for everyone, part of that is because certain rushes have to be committed to because they are one way or close to it and the players want to express that fear in their future opponents that they could pull off any build at any time, but also it can't be easy to play in a marathon tournament like MLG and even though that game was played before that tournament started a player has to consider stamina when deciding how they want to approach each game and clearly the tournament was the most important thing to him. Even regardless of that fact there are plenty of games where MVP clearly decides in advance to threaten a bunker rush and be fully committed to never sending in marines and just canceling/salvaging the bunker when the player reacts. My point is that MVP is almost always poking in there and threatening pressure at the very least, but of course his build might not be able to be adjusted to punish greed, but the same goes for his opponent when he marine tank all ins, and in that case the protoss might have no chance to scout it coming. | ||
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purgerinho
Croatia919 Posts
 till now i managed to watch... well, nothing | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
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blae000
Norway1640 Posts
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Suohhen
United States59 Posts
On December 10 2011 22:08 Itsmedudeman wrote: Putting pressure on a protoss for no good reason is a risky move. Forcefields can punish you in the early game and it's gg from there. Outside a 2 rax you really can't pressure like you can in TvT/TvZ Well yeah I mean if they FFE or 3 gate expand there is no sense in a terran poking in their unless they are committing to an all in, but we are talking about greedy play here where the Protoss doesn't have the gas to support the sentries necessary to do much more than block off their ramp. I agree it goes both ways, but that is no excuse for terran, they are just used to having it both ways. Of course you have to take risks in this game, and honestly that should be the way Blizzard wants it because I doubt they want to see the same person winning every time, it is much more interesting for the viewers to see upsets. In team sports you don't need any of these imbas because teamwork is always fragile and can be improved on, but in a solo sport the only factors besides skill are nerves and luck. | ||
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hansel01
47 Posts
On December 10 2011 20:33 AsnSensation wrote: Just watched the wc3 vods awesome games! Lyn <3<3<3 Loved how the korean casters went nuts haha some good memories for wc3 As for sc2 it seems like MVP will scoop another 20k christmas money for his girlfriend and Polt's christmas present is the participation in the blizzard cup. Still damn impressed by xigua, Kas and Titan! On own3d.tv the video cuts out right before the end of game 3 between Lyn and Sky!! I can't find it on there site either as none of the god damn videos are labelled T_T. Any idea where it is, really want to see the end and hear the Koreans go crazy =p | ||
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Nakama
Germany584 Posts
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zyzq
United States3123 Posts
On December 10 2011 22:22 Nakama wrote: Is there any way for me to watch the sc2 vods ? i searched 4 it but didnt find anything.... gomtv.net | ||
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stonetalon
Netherlands482 Posts
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