EPTOn December 10 2011 19:33 Bulkers wrote:
When is the final?
When is the final?
You can see everything schedule related on the first post of this thread under Broadcast Schedule.
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Suohhen
United States59 Posts
You can see everything schedule related on the first post of this thread under Broadcast Schedule. | ||
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Enearde
France265 Posts
On December 10 2011 18:59 Suohhen wrote: The games were played earlier between 11am and 7pm KST, The only games left are going to be streamed tomorrow and they are the finals between MVP and Xigua, and the third place match between Titan and Kas. The stream schedule has been really poorly advertised and really the only hope is to have all 3 streams up and keep checking them but the adds are overlays so they lag the crap out of my computer and have to be muted individually which is a huge pain in the ass. Since there are only 2 Bo3s tomorrow I would guess that they are going to be steamed and they will cast all the games but at this point who knows. You can look at the schedule that is on the 1st post of this thread under the spoiler under "Broadcast schedule" and hope that they keep to that, however certain games have been off schedule. Thx man, i'm not the type of guy who complain about tournament cuz i think it's already huge to host them but srsly wcg could have done a better job this time :'( Baaah, need to try to enjoy what we can anyway, i hope MVP'll bring the whole thing home  | ||
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Maenander
Germany4926 Posts
On December 10 2011 19:33 MapleLeafSirup wrote: come on ... what is a wcg without JOHNRAMBO ??? yeah, I miss him, too I met him at WCG Cologne, he is so much fun. edit: Malaysia sent Cobo this year, but he didn't do too well. | ||
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Kira__
Sweden2672 Posts
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bokchoi
Korea (South)9498 Posts
On December 10 2011 19:38 Kira__ wrote: So xiGua is guaranteed a place in blizzard cup since MVP is already qualified? Not necessarily? Its commonly believed that it will go to the next highest GSL seed (Polt) rather than the WCG runner-up. | ||
Poopi
France13011 Posts
On December 10 2011 19:38 Kira__ wrote: So xiGua is guaranteed a place in blizzard cup since MVP is already qualified? Polt will be qualified instead if Mvp wins the final. Because the original plan was top 8 GSL ranking, but since they changed that the players were upset and now each time Mvp fills another spot the spot is given to the next in the GSL ranking. edit : thus XiGua has to win in order to qualify, which is better imo. | ||
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KinQuh
Finland810 Posts
On December 10 2011 19:08 Poopi wrote: Titan is good yes, but he is better than a top 8 korean terran? ... And about the code A TvP, there were only Creator, Huk, HerO and Sage as strong protoss. Sage was against fOrGG who probably will be the first royal road, no upset, Creator was against Clide but he is young, no upset. Only upset is HerO losing to asd, who is the best FXO terran if I recall correctly. Could it be that TitaN IS good and his PvT is really good? | ||
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Qaatar
1409 Posts
On December 10 2011 19:40 Poopi wrote: Polt will be qualified instead if Mvp wins the final. Because the original plan was top 8 GSL ranking, but since they changed that the players were upset and now each time Mvp fills another spot the spot is given to the next in the GSL ranking. edit : thus XiGua has to win in order to qualify, which is better imo. Yeah, it'll be sweet if XiGua can qualify for the Blizzard Cup, but as sweet as it would be, it won't be sweeter than MVP winning the WCG. Cheering for MVP! | ||
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SeaSwift
Scotland4486 Posts
On December 10 2011 19:30 Suohhen wrote: So typical of Eastern Europeans to play defensively, it is kind of funny when that style matches up with the hyper aggression of those used to playing on the Korean ladders. I actually agree with this. It seems to be quite a "Euro" thing to play very passively and build up an army in PvT, compared to the Korean PvT style which was almost entirely defined by MC and involves some heavy aggression a lot of the time. I think perhaps the Korean Terrans haven't got used to playing against such passive Protoss players, and haven't learnt to exploit it, which is why SuperNova, TOP et al have had problems vs foreign Protosses: they are all very macro-based Terrans, and haven't learned ways in which to aggressively exploit the greediness and passivity of their opponents. That's very much what I saw out of MVP vs Naniwa in the MLG Invitational: Nani played really greedily, counting on MVP playing safe and macro-style, then when he was on 3+ bases Naniwa just rolled MVP with a larger/better army comp. Even in PvP, this kind of shows a bit more, like with Hasu vs HuK in the NASL: HuK's aggression just couldn't get through HasuObs' defence and passivity. If Huk had instead gone for HerO style of play, harassing while expanding, I think the outcome could have been very different. | ||
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Suohhen
United States59 Posts
On December 10 2011 19:38 Kira__ wrote: So xiGua is guaranteed a place in blizzard cup since MVP is already qualified? No the spot will go to the person who is 5th place on the GSL points list if that happens, and that person is Polt. It's the same kind of thing Blizzcon does which I think is moronic, take the most recent GSL champions, but why take more GSL players to fill in a spot for the WCG tournament when you can simply take the 2nd place finisher in that tournament to represent that tournament. I mean it's basically a way to pretty much guarantee more Koreans in the tournament which they deserve so who cares but setting the precedent for this kind of system being used is risky. For example they could use the points system from MLG to assign the MLG representatives, but who thinks that would be fair? Yet it is pretty much the same thing. | ||
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Coal
Sweden1535 Posts
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On December 10 2011 19:43 SeaSwift wrote: I actually agree with this. It seems to be quite a "Euro" thing to play very passively and build up an army in PvT, compared to the Korean PvT style which was almost entirely defined by MC and involves some heavy aggression a lot of the time. I think perhaps the Korean Terrans haven't got used to playing against such passive Protoss players, and haven't learnt to exploit it, which is why SuperNova, TOP et al have had problems vs foreign Protosses: they are all very macro-based Terrans, and haven't learned ways in which to aggressively exploit the greediness and passivity of their opponents. That's very much what I saw out of MVP vs Naniwa in the MLG Invitational: Nani played really greedily, counting on MVP playing safe and macro-style, then when he was on 3+ bases Naniwa just rolled MVP with a larger/better army comp. Even in PvP, this kind of shows a bit more, like with Hasu vs HuK in the NASL: HuK's aggression just couldn't get through HasuObs' defence and passivity. If Huk had instead gone for HerO style of play, harassing while expanding, I think the outcome could have been very different. The thing is passive play won't work imo in tournaments like the GSL, or if they become a big enough player to the point where opponents will study you. If your opponent knows your style, it becomes really easy to abuse. Honestly though, it definitely got abused when xigua played him and he ended up getting rolled. | ||
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Poopi
France13011 Posts
It will be very hard for Mvp to win depending of the maps | ||
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razy
Russian Federation899 Posts
On December 10 2011 19:41 KinQuh wrote: Could it be that TitaN IS good and his PvT is really good? no, it's clearly impossible. Supernova lost cause of jetlag. | ||
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AxionSteel
United States7754 Posts
On December 10 2011 19:43 SeaSwift wrote: I actually agree with this. It seems to be quite a "Euro" thing to play very passively and build up an army in PvT, compared to the Korean PvT style which was almost entirely defined by MC and involves some heavy aggression a lot of the time. I think perhaps the Korean Terrans haven't got used to playing against such passive Protoss players, and haven't learnt to exploit it, which is why SuperNova, TOP et al have had problems vs foreign Protosses: they are all very macro-based Terrans, and haven't learned ways in which to aggressively exploit the greediness and passivity of their opponents. That's very much what I saw out of MVP vs Naniwa in the MLG Invitational: Nani played really greedily, counting on MVP playing safe and macro-style, then when he was on 3+ bases Naniwa just rolled MVP with a larger/better army comp. Even in PvP, this kind of shows a bit more, like with Hasu vs HuK in the NASL: HuK's aggression just couldn't get through HasuObs' defence and passivity. If Huk had instead gone for HerO style of play, harassing while expanding, I think the outcome could have been very different. No....In the GSL this season protoss play has been dominated by games on massive maps like Calm before the storm and Daybreak with very passive play, mass upgrades and uber death ball. Off the top of my Head...Puzzle vs GanZi, Killerv vs Jjakji, Oz vs TaeJa, Puzzle vs sC, Oz vs Happy | ||
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Suohhen
United States59 Posts
On December 10 2011 19:43 SeaSwift wrote: Even in PvP, this kind of shows a bit more, like with Hasu vs HuK in the NASL: HuK's aggression just couldn't get through HasuObs' defence and passivity. If Huk had instead gone for HerO style of play, harassing while expanding, I think the outcome could have been very different. I think it seems so obvious in PvP because there has been a big shift in the meta game in the past month. It used to seem like everyone 4 gated but now that is really only ok on certain maps or with other tech added like blink or warp prism. With all the traveling he has been doing I don't think he has been able to practice the new style and this was apparent in his games against Titan and Seiplo at Dreamhack especially, but you could see that he was adapting somewhat at NASL against Hasuobs. Then again he cuts a lot of corners in his play, almost surely a technique he developed to deal with all the cheese he faces in Korea, can he learn to play more standard in the PvP matchup. We shall see. | ||
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KinQuh
Finland810 Posts
On December 10 2011 20:00 Suohhen wrote: I think it seems so obvious in PvP because there has been a big shift in the meta game in the past month. It used to seem like everyone 4 gated but now that is really only ok on certain maps or with other tech added like blink or warp prism. With all the traveling he has been doing I don't think he has been able to practice the new style and this was apparent in his games against Titan and Seiplo at Dreamhack especially, but you could see that he was adapting somewhat at NASL against Hasuobs. Then again he cuts a lot of corners in his play, almost surely a technique he developed to deal with all the cheese he faces in Korea, can he learn to play more standard in the PvP matchup. We shall see. Or theres a factor you could consider. Seiplo HasuObs and Titan have better pvp than Huk? | ||
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Ruscour
5233 Posts
On December 10 2011 19:53 razy wrote: no, it's clearly impossible. Supernova lost cause of jetlag. :D so funny | ||
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Suohhen
United States59 Posts
On December 10 2011 19:55 AxionSteel wrote: No....In the GSL this season protoss play has been dominated by games on massive maps like Calm before the storm and Daybreak with very passive play, mass upgrades and uber death ball. Off the top of my Head...Puzzle vs GanZi, Killerv vs Jjakji, Oz vs TaeJa, Puzzle vs sC, Oz vs Happy Sure the maps are changing the meta game for everyone but aggression has been an undeniable characteristic of the Korean scene and players become very proficient at it because of this. That's why I find it annoying when Artosis praises Korean Terran when they pull off flawless cheese because it is undeniable that it is easier to learn to cheese than flawless macro and he should save his praise for those who are able to master every aspect of the game against every race in the game. Don't get me wrong, the micro and multitasking required to pull off good cheese is rare amongst top level players, but if that is all they can do it's only going to get them so far. | ||
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aTnClouD
Italy2428 Posts
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