EPT[GSL] Code S r16 Day 1 - Page 82
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Samhax
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Ezekyle
Australia607 Posts
On April 28 2011 21:31 Fenrisulf wrote: Who said it was? I don't consider it an all-in. And he does stop producing workers after the initial heavy droning. Just like you stop making probes after chronoing a bunch out for the 6 gate sentry push. I think neither build is all-in. The point I was making was that theres hundreds of pages of QQ about protoss players only knowing how to all-in when they 6 gate, but the same people will be saying how ingenious LosirA is for coming up with this zerg version of the push. Back in GSL3 everyone was hugely impressed with MC's amazing 6gate PvT pushes that just annihilated the big nasty Terrans and allowed the underdog Protoss players to rip apart their opponents. Over time this strategy, and others like it, became so powerful and so often used that people became tired of them, just like the BitByBit attacks that are so universally despised now. Whenever any Zerg baneling busts the LR thread is full of 'allin omg l2p macro game n00b'. There's no double standard, the only reason people are giving Losira credit for this build is because it's new and exciting. If it becomes a dominant strategy like the 6gate it'll get hated on too. | ||
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epoc
Finland1190 Posts
On April 28 2011 21:21 Goibon wrote: Having trouble with Colossi? Don't let them get them. Yes that's exactly how you balance the game. Good luck attacking the protoss base full of sentries and cannons. | ||
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mikyaJ
1834 Posts
On April 28 2011 21:33 Yaotzin wrote: Protoss have never been dominant in SC2. It's a complete myth. Terran has been the race getting the most results since forever. except you know, when they were the most dominant race. | ||
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izgodlee
Canada133 Posts
On April 28 2011 21:29 Ezekyle wrote: "how do you beat this" in strategy forums = what is good against this build? "how is it possible to beat this build, nothing can work against it" in LR thread = this build is impossible to beat, nothing can work against it. At least that's how I read it. If I'm wrong, then my apologies. "how do you beat this" and "how is it possible to beat this build" is basically the same thing, and you just added "nothing can work against it" for some reason when it isnt anywhere in his post. In conclusion i think you're just bias as fuck. | ||
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Bergys
Sweden337 Posts
On April 28 2011 21:33 Yaotzin wrote: Protoss have never been dominant in SC2. It's a complete myth. Terran has been the race getting the most results since forever. User was warned for this post | ||
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DarkRise
1644 Posts
On April 28 2011 21:28 Poopi wrote: I'm sure that the HT nerf HELPED a lot in TvP, and I don't know the PvZ match-up. it does helped a lot in PVZ too, Broodlords become so good late game since you can't just warp in storm the land army. Ever seen San's PvZ | ||
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Namu
United States826 Posts
On April 28 2011 21:33 Yaotzin wrote: Protoss have never been dominant in SC2. It's a complete myth. Terran has been the race getting the most results since forever. I think last season of GSL was pretty clear protoss domination, 3/4 of the RO4 was Protoss. However, overall, I agree that Terran has gotten the better end of it. | ||
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
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Bergys
Sweden337 Posts
On April 28 2011 21:36 mikyaJ wrote: except you know, when they were the most dominant race. When would this be? | ||
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Yaotzin
South Africa4280 Posts
On April 28 2011 21:36 mikyaJ wrote: except you know, when they were the most dominant race. Which has been never. Look at actual tournament results. A few wins from MC and Naniwa doesn't make Protoss dominant. There are still FAR more Terran players in GSL, and they still win most of the small weekly type tournaments. | ||
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kheldorin
Singapore539 Posts
On April 28 2011 21:33 realstarcrafter wrote: He lost the first game because he tried to snipe Losira's 3rd base at the cost of his whole army. That was Losira's 4th base (3rd expo), He's dead regardless of what he does at that point of the game. | ||
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
On April 28 2011 21:39 kheldorin wrote: That was Losira's 4th base (3rd expo), He's dead regardless of what he does at that point of the game. If I recall correctly, LosirA was up by almost 60 supply if not more at that point, so it was natural for Alicia to feel the need to go out and deny an expansion when he was that far behind. | ||
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dubRa
2165 Posts
On April 28 2011 21:33 Yaotzin wrote: Protoss have never been dominant in SC2. It's a complete myth. Terran has been the race getting the most results since forever. I agree. If you look at recent big events it is understandable why people believe P is dominating. MLG- 1. Naniwa 2. Kiwikaki Dreamhack- 1. MC 2. White-Ra CG- 1. MC 2. Kas | ||
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usethis2
2164 Posts
I'm kind of at a loss how Alicia performed tonight. It's really beyond my comprehension how his PvT is so good yet he can't handle the basic ling-roach attack. (TWICE) Slayers need some decent Z players so that Alicia can practice with. It's no surprise that Alicia's PvT is good and only getting better in that team. But you can't let his talent slip by not having vZ practice partners. | ||
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Bergys
Sweden337 Posts
On April 28 2011 21:40 HolyArrow wrote: If I recall correctly, LosirA was up by almost 60 supply if not more at that point, so it was natural for Alicia to feel the need to go out and deny an expansion when he was that far behind. Natural or not, it was still a really stupid decision. Personally I think the game was already lost but that move-out was the nail in the coffin. | ||
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labbe
Sweden1456 Posts
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ALPINA
3791 Posts
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Orpheusz
Australia210 Posts
On April 28 2011 21:35 Samhax wrote: If you wanna survive to this build you have to wall off with one forge and one gate at your natural, to make it very choky or with 2 other gates. But the the follow up is to add at least 2 gates because you can't hold it just with 3 gates i think, warp some zealots when you see the lings attack and after that warp some stalkers. That helps but some maps have a giant distance from nat to main and that becomes a lot less effective (xelnaga, typhon etc..) | ||
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Roggay
Switzerland6320 Posts
On April 28 2011 21:29 HolyArrow wrote: The most trouble at the time? What is your definition of "at the time"? It's been going on for as long as I can remember, ever since FD won the first GSL. Like I said, there's a reason the stereotype exists, and it's not just because of the last GSL season. It is a fact that zerg players have had trouble getting good tournament results, you can't deny that (Yes I know, FD and Nestea) and with things like 4gate, 2rax etc... a lot of people were frustrated, leading to a lot of QQ. We are all starcraft players, playing zerg will not make you another person (more of a whiner), it is just stupid to think that. I hate whiners, but what I hate most are peoples who whines about whiners (martyrs), and now it seems like there are more of the second type on this forum. | ||
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, Killer pretty much only chance for protoss now, and I don't think hes good enough to win against TOP/Nada. 
