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PetRockSteve
United States70 Posts
Just Ro4 predictions, which is all that the question explicitly asked. | ||
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Fungal Growth
United States434 Posts
On April 25 2011 08:04 FrankWalls wrote: I don't disagree that toss should go for attack upgrades...especially if you ramp up your immortal numbers. It's just that defensive upgrades for Toss would be kind of worthless vs mass Thor.not to nitpick or anything, but i think toss should probably go for attack upgrades regardless if they see mech, so this would cancel out the thor upgrade and zealots would have some pretty good use So say we have a upgrade race between forge upgrades and armory upgrades...it wouldn't look good for toss. Thors vs Stalkers: +1 attack = +3 damage ... +1 armor = -1 incoming damage Stalkers vs Thors: +1 attack = +1 damage ... +1 armor = -0.5 incoming damage (remembering that stalkers are 50/50 hp/shields) Obviously in the late game Armory upgrades could represent a serious advantage over forge upgrades. | ||
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Lennon
United Kingdom2275 Posts
On April 25 2011 07:00 YoungNeil wrote: Everybody had been making a big deal of HuK since he won MLG Raleigh, and even more so after he joined Team Liquid and went to Korea. Hasu may not have been truly unknown, but I feel perfectly comfortable saying that compared to HuK, he had a very small share of the spotlight. Completely true. I can't argue with that. | ||
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tdt
United States3179 Posts
On April 25 2011 07:27 Fungal Growth wrote: Great point and quote from Thorzain himself about the armor upgrades vs zealots and I retract my earlier assertion that zealots are a counter to Thors. Just goes to show how impressive those armor upgrades are vs toss...not only vs zealots but against stalkers (14 - 1 - 3 = 10) and against sentries (6 - 1 - 3 = 2). Even vs Voids (12-21 ??) would go to 8-17 (math could be off). Vs Carriers... 5 - 1 - 3 = 1... so would be just one hit per interceptor strike if my math is right. Vs Colossi... 15 - 1 - 3 = 10 (and that's probably with no splash). Only counter to upgraded Thors would really be more immortals than you have strike cannon rounds or just a huge number of stalkers. Carriers own em up pretty good. I'm trying to get a replay up now but I had 8 carriers, 10 Phoenix for vikings plus a few zealots & stalkers for cannon foughter and - he had about 8 thor, 20 marines, 6 BF hellions, 10 vikings, 10 marauders and I only lost all my ground, 1 carrier, and half phoenix while wiping his force out, Great thing is since you're upgrading carriers attack anyway (a must) so do your pheonix and they start owning vikings too. He doesnt have the money to do it all at armory. Voids problem is they clump up and get decimated by splash in addition to vikings and rines shooting at them. Mass immortals problem is half get decimated by cannon right at the start, and you can't carry a good retinue with them due to supply issues, then his support troops and thors mop up the rest. | ||
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Fungal Growth
United States434 Posts
On April 25 2011 08:30 tdt wrote: Wish we would see carriers more often on big maps...do think they are viable but so many pro's are stuck in the rut of not using them from when smaller maps were more popular.... I'm surprised that you build phoenix to counter vikings as 1 on 1...they are almost are the same in the unit map tester...and yet a carrier by itself no upgrades can take about 3 vikings (almost what a carrier would cost). Wouldn't it make more sense to just make more carriers instead? Phoenix and interceptors do have AWESOME attack upgrades vs vikings...if my math is correct they go from +5 to +6 with air +1. That's a 20% boost in firepower which is insane considering that blizzard loves to have the upgrades gravitate toward 10% each. | ||
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Zeiryuu
Philippines231 Posts
 TvP finals. Go Thorzain/Kas! :D | ||
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loveeholicce
Korea (South)785 Posts
On April 25 2011 04:41 dusters wrote: Ok king of starcraft I didn't know that you get to decide "how the game should be played". It doesn't take a king to realize a dynamic, eventful game is far better than one where two sides do nothing but get a desired unit combination, attack each other once, and have the game be decided right away. | ||
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L3g3nd_
New Zealand10461 Posts
Dont know who to cheer for anymore :D | ||
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Gokey
United States2722 Posts
On April 25 2011 07:38 Wazabo wrote: One guy did XD http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/User:HenL/TSL3Bracket Holy crap... WTF... Can this guy PM me tomorrow's lottery numbers? | ||
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Oreo7
United States1647 Posts
On April 25 2011 08:21 Fungal Growth wrote: I don't disagree that toss should go for attack upgrades...especially if you ramp up your immortal numbers. It's just that defensive upgrades for Toss would be kind of worthless vs mass Thor. So say we have a upgrade race between forge upgrades and armory upgrades...it wouldn't look good for toss. Thors vs Stalkers: +1 attack = +3 damage ... +1 armor = -1 incoming damage Stalkers vs Thors: +1 attack = +1 damage ... +1 armor = -0.5 incoming damage (remembering that stalkers are 50/50 hp/shields) Obviously in the late game Armory upgrades could represent a serious advantage over forge upgrades. V mass thor the protoss player wants to play the upgrade style though, ie expand everywhere, harass everywhere, all the while building up a slow advantage, either through tech (carriers) or upgrades. | ||
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AoCViVi
United States57 Posts
I know...my thoughts exactly. Grubby just got 3rd at Copenhagen. He is looking very very very good ^^! | ||
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DarkRise
1644 Posts
I don't see a korean in top 4? Did anyone? | ||
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ct2299
380 Posts
On April 25 2011 07:00 DiaBoLuS wrote: thorzain smashed MC 3-2 - and thorzain is rly not on top of everything, although he played rly well Wait... so Thorzain ISN'T a good player now? I like how when a great player like MC gets beaten, there are some people that like to come here and say "MC isn't that great see! Thorzain isn't even that great of a player!!" Ridiculous. Thorzain played well, and also benefited from the ridiculous SCV repair rate. | ||
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s4life
Peru1519 Posts
On April 25 2011 07:58 Chicane wrote: Well I'm glad you didn't just specify what part... but I will break down all of my response towards you. Obviously the part before the quote was not addressed to you. "What influence do they have over the results of the game?" This is a question asking you what influence the cast of SOTG has over the outcome of the game. The answer is clearly none (unless you really want to argue over small psychological factors...) therefore I put "Hmmm...." to imply that the answer was very obvious. Then I said "Yeah... that's right." The purpose of this line was to show that since the answer to the question was clearly that they have no influence over the games, that their opinions really don't matter. You can therefore imply that I feel it really isn't necessary that they each research every topic they are going to discuss... especially when questions are brought up on the fly. I never claimed they --sotg-- exerted any influence on the game results, ergo it's a non-sequitur. | ||
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s4life
Peru1519 Posts
On April 25 2011 07:26 PhyreHazard wrote: Again it doesn't matter that it hindered their analysis, they are just sharing their opinions. Im sure most people watch sotg just because its funny as hell and like to listen to their input. If you want to know whos good or what not, there are plenty of good ressources on TL, you could check TLPD for stats and theres also a tournament roundup every month in TL news. I am not so sure about that, but I rather stop this discussion right here if you are ok with it. | ||
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SilverforceX
Australia267 Posts
Australia/Asia to Europe server ~400-500ms latency (for some weird reason). 400ms latency is you being killed, you reacting, and ~1s later your units respond to your commands. | ||
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Nifel
706 Posts
On April 25 2011 12:25 SilverforceX wrote: Australia/Asia to US server ~200ms latency. Australia/Asia to Europe server ~400-500ms latency (for some weird reason). 400ms latency is you being killed, you reacting, and ~1s later your units respond to your commands. And that is way all EU vs Korea games are played on the US server. | ||
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arew
Lithuania1861 Posts
 The next round should be amazing! Can't wait. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
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henrikyo
Norway755 Posts
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