• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 11:25
CEST 17:25
KST 00:25
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Finals Preview: Sweet Victory!9[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5
Community News
[$1250] International ShieldBattery League35Weekly Cups (October 5-11): Farewell to 5.0.164Rollback Netcode in Brood War1345.0.17 Patch Notes - October 7, 202624Weekly Cups Results (Sep 28-Oct 4)0
StarCraft 2
General
SCII needs to put more weight on strategy and tact Terran AddOns placement No more sc2 streamers on team liquid? Weekly Cups (October 5-11): Farewell to 5.0.16 Server Blocker
Tourneys
WORTEX Challenger Series — Open SC2 LAN in Budapes RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20) Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2)
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[G] How to playtest arcade maps [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Sweltering Sands [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
Mutation # 548 Shining Bright The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 547 Temple Of Terror Mutation # 546 Catch the Train
Brood War
General
Rollback Netcode in Brood War BW General Discussion Mineral gathering rate (boosted) for each patch Making an Online Broodwar Manager Game [Megathread] Daily Funny Videos
Tourneys
[ASL22] Grand Finals [$1250] International ShieldBattery League [Megathread] Daily Proleagues 2v2v2v2 Tournament
Strategy
Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Simple Questions, Simple Answers Replay Review Process - What do you do?
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Dawn of War IV Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25!
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Artificial Intelligence Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread
Fan Clubs
Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece
Sports
MLB/Baseball 2023 Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
How Much Genes Contribute to…
TrAiDoS
ShieldBattery on Mac
Kraekkling
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
38 yo Retired SWE loo…
PurE)Rabbit-SF
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 9414 users

[TSL] Ro8 Day 2 - Page 207

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 205 206 207 208 209 211 Next
Arguing and whining in this thread will be met with the hammer. Please enjoy the games and keep this thread on track!
eggs
Profile Joined August 2010
1011 Posts
April 25 2011 06:39 GMT
#4121
On April 25 2011 15:21 Talin wrote:
I can't really get hyped for TSL at all anymore with the 4 remaining players, but oh well. They did deserve to be where they are.


yea, its so hard to keep track of all these foreigners when we don't get to see them play in team leagues or something. of these 4, i only really knew of Naniwa before the TSL.
WAAA
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
New Zealand291 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-25 06:48:41
April 25 2011 06:46 GMT
#4122
Im sorry but thats false, there are team leagues that foreigners play in.. SGL for example http://www.sgleague.net/ there have been others aswell. Just because you choose not to follow the european or non korean scene doesnt mean it is not there.
ParasitJonte
Profile Joined September 2004
Sweden1768 Posts
April 25 2011 06:54 GMT
#4123
It actually doesn't make sense to talk about war3 vs bw players anymore. When sc2 was first released wc3 players played really, really, really bad. One-base aggressive bullshits that worked because no one knew the game well enough to stop it properly. Naniwa was among those players.

But the successful sc2 players that came from wc3 play starcraft. They're sc2 players; not wc3 players. I can't imagine anyone thinking the talent pool of bw was somehow greater than that of wc3 in terms of gaming skill so the whole discussion is pretty pointless.
Hello=)
WAAA
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
New Zealand291 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-25 07:16:42
April 25 2011 07:16 GMT
#4124
^ so what you are saying is wc3 players won at the beginning because they played the game worse than everyone else, and now are winning because they are playing starcraft 2, not warcraft 3. You're right this discussion is pointless.
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
April 25 2011 07:24 GMT
#4125
I think people are forgetting that sc1 and sc2 are completely different games here. The macro is not nearly as difficult and the game has been out long enough for just about anyone to succeed so it's not that big of a surprise imo that war3 players are caught up by now and also most of the bw transfers weren't even the best of the best (at least not when they transferred). Although personally I still think that sc1 players still have a bit of an edge overall.
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-25 07:28:35
April 25 2011 07:25 GMT
#4126
No, what he's saying is that it's pointless to refer to them as WC3 players anymore, when they don't even play the game and it's pretty obvious that their WC3 background didn't have much (if anything) to do with their success in SC2.

The only reason the whole WC3 stuff is ever brought up now is because a lot of WC3 fans were butthurt that Brood War players were considered superior (which is true) before SC2 came out, and now see the current balance of power in SC2 in the foreign scene as a good excuse to say "look at how wrong you were lol", even though that argument makes no sense at all.
justinpal
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3810 Posts
April 25 2011 07:30 GMT
#4127
I mean everyone knows that Brood War players piss gold and excel at everything they do. WC3 players could never measure up to the greatness that is a Brood War player. I'm pretty sure that Nobel laureates are inferior to the Brood War player.
Never make a hydralisk.
Kotschmonaut
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany117 Posts
April 25 2011 07:45 GMT
#4128
On April 25 2011 16:25 Talin wrote:
No, what he's saying is that it's pointless to refer to them as WC3 players anymore, when they don't even play the game and it's pretty obvious that their WC3 background didn't have much (if anything) to do with their success in SC2.

The only reason the whole WC3 stuff is ever brought up now is because a lot of WC3 fans were butthurt that Brood War players were considered superior (which is true) before SC2 came out, and now see the current balance of power in SC2 in the foreign scene as a good excuse to say "look at how wrong you were lol", even though that argument makes no sense at all.



yes, that's it. i remember the BW people always saying stuff like War3 not being a worthy game at all compared to broodwar skillwise, the main argument which pissed everyone in the war3 community off was that every war3 player, even the best, only played war3 because they were too bad for broodwar and wouldnt even be able to compete at a low level there.

now the war3 community sees the oppurtunity to pay back some of that ignorant bull****.
hate generates more hate, ya know.
eggs
Profile Joined August 2010
1011 Posts
April 25 2011 07:56 GMT
#4129
On April 25 2011 15:46 WAAA wrote:
Im sorry but thats false, there are team leagues that foreigners play in.. SGL for example http://www.sgleague.net/ there have been others aswell. Just because you choose not to follow the european or non korean scene doesnt mean it is not there.


what? i dont see any of the 4 teams represented by the 4 players remaining in the TSL on that site. that only helps prove my point.
eggs
Profile Joined August 2010
1011 Posts
April 25 2011 07:59 GMT
#4130
On April 25 2011 16:45 Kotschmonaut wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2011 16:25 Talin wrote:
No, what he's saying is that it's pointless to refer to them as WC3 players anymore, when they don't even play the game and it's pretty obvious that their WC3 background didn't have much (if anything) to do with their success in SC2.

The only reason the whole WC3 stuff is ever brought up now is because a lot of WC3 fans were butthurt that Brood War players were considered superior (which is true) before SC2 came out, and now see the current balance of power in SC2 in the foreign scene as a good excuse to say "look at how wrong you were lol", even though that argument makes no sense at all.



yes, that's it. i remember the BW people always saying stuff like War3 not being a worthy game at all compared to broodwar skillwise, the main argument which pissed everyone in the war3 community off was that every war3 player, even the best, only played war3 because they were too bad for broodwar and wouldnt even be able to compete at a low level there.

now the war3 community sees the oppurtunity to pay back some of that ignorant bull****.
hate generates more hate, ya know.


but BW people still say War3 people are too bad for BW. they call most people that play SC2 too bad for BW, whether they were from BW, War3, or a non-blizzard RTS.
SolidZeal
Profile Joined October 2010
United States393 Posts
April 25 2011 08:01 GMT
#4131
Cruncher put on a great PvP series, I really liked the phoenix build. Haters gonna hate, can't deny he did well in the TSL.

For being a 3-0 series boxer v.s. hasu was crazy close and extremely entertaining. I wish more success for the emperor in the future, what a bad ass.
HasuObs vindicates me in my defense of the templar nerf. High templar are awesome even against super sharp ghost micro. Great casting, great games, TSL FTW!
In the clearing stands a boxer and a figher by his trade
nRoot
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany928 Posts
April 25 2011 08:07 GMT
#4132
On April 25 2011 16:25 Talin wrote:
No, what he's saying is that it's pointless to refer to them as WC3 players anymore, when they don't even play the game and it's pretty obvious that their WC3 background didn't have much (if anything) to do with their success in SC2.

thorzain played in the WC3 StarsWars 6 qualifiers last week ;D

This dicussion is pointless, I'm just happy so many european former WC3 players are doing so good because I watched them back in the WC3 days
Technique
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands1542 Posts
April 25 2011 08:08 GMT
#4133
On April 25 2011 07:36 doihy wrote:
If the europeans are that good why dont they just go to GSL and start owning Code S players? If they are good enough to beat gsl champions it makes sense to that they would easily make code s. -.-

Not every1 wants to move to korea? And besides there are enough tournaments for them to play in and also weekly online tournaments, while in korea it's just gsl...

Also i kinda find it funny that people outside of europe keep underestimating european players... i didn't expect boxer to have a chance vs a trained hasu at all for example.

And i also predicted thorzain to beat mc, seeing how he lost to lesser terran players in gsl.
If you think you're good, you suck. If you think you suck, you're getting better.
WAAA
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
New Zealand291 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-25 08:10:20
April 25 2011 08:08 GMT
#4134
On April 25 2011 16:56 eggs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2011 15:46 WAAA wrote:
Im sorry but thats false, there are team leagues that foreigners play in.. SGL for example http://www.sgleague.net/ there have been others aswell. Just because you choose not to follow the european or non korean scene doesnt mean it is not there.


what? i dont see any of the 4 teams represented by the 4 players remaining in the TSL on that site. that only helps prove my point.


Empire.kas, prae.thorzain

1. :russia: Empire Gaming(Empire)
2. :czechrepublic: eSuba(eSuba)
3. :france: Millenium(M)
4. :germany: Meet Your Makers(MYM)
5. :usa: FXOpen(FXO)
6. :russia: ieS Virtual Gaming(ieS)
7. :netherlands: Praetoriani(Prae)
8. :france: Cyber Nation(CN)
9. :usa: Lazarus Gaming(LG)
10. :germany: ESC Gaming(ESC.ICY-BOX)
11. :usa: Complexity Gaming(coL)
12. :usa: Check Six Gaming(xSix)
13. :usa: Vision, Valor, Victory(vVv)
14. :usa: Reqiuem eSports(REQ)
15. :usa: VT Gaming(VT)
16. :usa: Vile Gaming(Vile)
SundeR.
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia112 Posts
April 25 2011 08:27 GMT
#4135
Thank god that Cruncher scrub is out. I don't think anyone hates him for knocking out IdrA, it's his retarded playstyle and the fact that he actually think he has any skill in this game.

User was temp banned for this post.
CorruptD
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden5 Posts
April 25 2011 08:38 GMT
#4136
On April 25 2011 17:27 SundeR. wrote:
Thank god that Cruncher scrub is out. I don't think anyone hates him for knocking out IdrA, it's his retarded playstyle and the fact that he actually think he has any skill in this game.


I'm also glad Cruncher is out, mainly because of his playstyle but also because Naniwa is swed

But saying Cruncher have no skill at what he does is very wrong..
Kotschmonaut
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany117 Posts
April 25 2011 08:50 GMT
#4137
On April 25 2011 16:59 eggs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2011 16:45 Kotschmonaut wrote:
On April 25 2011 16:25 Talin wrote:
No, what he's saying is that it's pointless to refer to them as WC3 players anymore, when they don't even play the game and it's pretty obvious that their WC3 background didn't have much (if anything) to do with their success in SC2.

The only reason the whole WC3 stuff is ever brought up now is because a lot of WC3 fans were butthurt that Brood War players were considered superior (which is true) before SC2 came out, and now see the current balance of power in SC2 in the foreign scene as a good excuse to say "look at how wrong you were lol", even though that argument makes no sense at all.



yes, that's it. i remember the BW people always saying stuff like War3 not being a worthy game at all compared to broodwar skillwise, the main argument which pissed everyone in the war3 community off was that every war3 player, even the best, only played war3 because they were too bad for broodwar and wouldnt even be able to compete at a low level there.

now the war3 community sees the oppurtunity to pay back some of that ignorant bull****.
hate generates more hate, ya know.


but BW people still say War3 people are too bad for BW. they call most people that play SC2 too bad for BW, whether they were from BW, War3, or a non-blizzard RTS.



true ...

BW elitist behaviour always went on my balls.
inermis
Profile Joined September 2010
353 Posts
April 25 2011 08:52 GMT
#4138
On April 25 2011 17:27 SundeR. wrote:
Thank god that Cruncher scrub is out. I don't think anyone hates him for knocking out IdrA, it's his retarded playstyle and the fact that he actually think he has any skill in this game.


you're so pro dude, too bad u didnt even qualify for anything, gotta luv ppl with no skill calling others no-skill players, get a clue.
play hard go pro
tdt
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3179 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-25 09:07:44
April 25 2011 09:03 GMT
#4139
On April 25 2011 17:27 SundeR. wrote:
Thank god that Cruncher scrub is out. I don't think anyone hates him for knocking out IdrA, it's his retarded playstyle and the fact that he actually think he has any skill in this game.

User was temp banned for this post.



I there a forum where we don't call players names, whine about balance, and actually analyze games and live report?

Posts like yours is just disgusting and adds nothing. Maybe you should have like 100 posts w/o ban before being allowed to participate in LR threads since 99% of junk are from low counts.
MC for president
Stringy
Profile Joined April 2011
United States127 Posts
April 25 2011 09:24 GMT
#4140
On April 25 2011 16:16 WAAA wrote:
^ so what you are saying is wc3 players won at the beginning because they played the game worse than everyone else, and now are winning because they are playing starcraft 2, not warcraft 3. You're right this discussion is pointless.


hehehe
war4 > sc2
Prev 1 205 206 207 208 209 211 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 36m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Codebar 81
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 46221
Calm 2933
Shuttle 2412
Jaedong 1186
EffOrt 868
Horang2 578
Mini 522
Stork 380
Rush 373
Soulkey 360
[ Show more ]
firebathero 314
ZerO 233
actioN 210
BeSt 199
Killer 147
Snow 104
Zeus 96
Barracks 95
sorry 88
hero 86
Mong 79
Sea.KH 57
Creator 53
Sexy 50
Shinee 41
ToSsGirL 29
soO 28
Sacsri 26
Hm[arnc] 24
Bishop 22
Yoon 21
Shine 20
Terrorterran 18
Trap 17
Aegong 15
HiyA 13
yabsab 11
scan(afreeca) 10
ProTech0
Dota 2
Dendi1386
syndereN358
Fuzer 130
Other Games
singsing2574
B2W.Neo1196
hiko1122
Lowko390
Beastyqt385
crisheroes285
Hui .178
Liquid`VortiX178
ToD134
KnowMe86
QueenE58
ZerO(Twitch)17
Organizations
Other Games
WardiTV443
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• ChaeLyn 3
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV646
League of Legends
• Nemesis4047
• Jankos2572
Upcoming Events
Monday Night Weeklies
36m
IntoTheTV X SOOP
19h 36m
PiGosaur Cup
1d 8h
The PondCast
1d 18h
Kung Fu Cup
1d 19h
IntoTheTV X SOOP
2 days
FEL
4 days
FEL
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
[ Show More ]
WardiTV Weekly
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

ASL Season 22
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HCC Season 3

Ongoing

Acropolis #5
IPSL Winter 2026-27
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
Acropolis #5 - GSC
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026

Upcoming

BSL Season 23
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.