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Elefanto
Switzerland3584 Posts
On March 27 2011 08:52 Gillgan wrote: So many people are saying that LAG is the reason the Koreans lost, if it was such an issue why did none of them say anything about it? Because they are mannered and don't want to discredit their opponents. | ||
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ZeraToss
Germany1094 Posts
On March 27 2011 08:53 Creem wrote: If you still have doubts try playing with 400+ms and come back and tell us how "it's not a big deal" and "it won't affect their macro and decision making". Let's put things in their true perspective and not get carried away here. it wouldn't effect mine thats for sure, because im bad without lags too^^ | ||
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slayers90
Norway2 Posts
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Hazard
Norway594 Posts
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Nuri
New Zealand280 Posts
On March 27 2011 08:54 Elefanto wrote: Because they are mannered and don't want to discredit their opponents. How is it BM saying there is lagg? | ||
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chaosdarkprince
Ecuador52 Posts
On March 26 2011 22:32 mTw|NarutO wrote: Predictions MVP 2-1 Adelscott Genius 2-0 QXC GoOdy 1-2 NesTea Ret 2-1 Naniwa Edit: @ heyoka, Genius is Protoss ! Ninja edit-.- LOL totally wrong... but to be honest, adelscot played some AMAZING games against MVP, goody suffered a little, but came solidly in the end... and naniwa... well, he just rocked, i knew he had the potential, he just needed to find a good team and a good attitude towards the game and players... hope them the best... Genius vs. QXC, no comments... europe server fighting!!! XD | ||
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Shooks
Australia256 Posts
On March 27 2011 08:53 Creem wrote: I really wish people would stop judging koreans from today's games. Anyone that thinks koreans came unprepared or played sloppy should try playing with 400+ms with your opponent at 100-150ms at the most. Koreans crushed their competition in IEM, where geographic boundaries were removed. Now all of a sudden they're "slumping" and "playing sloppy" just cause they've been performing poorly in online tournaments. I'm not taking anything away from our EU and NA players, but any intelligent person should be able to put two and two together and realize why koreans performed poorly today. If you still have doubts try playing with 400+ms and come back and tell us how "it's not a big deal" and "it won't affect their macro and decision making". Let's put things in their true perspective and not get carried away here. Lol agreed with your last statement, playing with lag is so much worse then what people think, it affects your gameplay as a whole, especially if you've never played with lag before which Koreans wouldn't have because why would they | ||
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zeru
8156 Posts
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rysecake
United States2632 Posts
Because you sound like a sore loser? Koreans are very well mannered when it comes to this game usually. | ||
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underdawg
United States399 Posts
On March 27 2011 08:52 Fungal Growth wrote: Surprised about the criticism regarding goody's super-queuing because I don't think it is as big of a deal as people are making it out to be. It only is very detrimental in the very early game when you are penny pinching to get out that fast attack/defense/tech and it isn't as relevant in the later game as most people think. The opposite problem of super-queuing is missed production capacity which means you will have a smaller army/worker count than what you want. Plus in SC2, you get 100% refunds if you cancel a super-queued unit or upgrade so why not get them in the oven? Even the best players miss production windows due to multi-tasking, so while not stylish I think in many cases it is a good idea to super-queue units and upgrades. i have never seen a top level player get supply blocked so hardcore. look, he might be good, but he definitely wins ugly as hell. top level players don't miss production capacity either, herp derp. there is NO downside to not queuing if you are good and look, either MVP had an off day, adelscott has the most GOSU probe micro anyone's ever seen, or LAG makes a difference. either genius had an off day with FFs, or QXC is MOST GOSU bad FF forcer i've ever seen, or there is LAG. either QXC is the godliest emp-er of all time or... | ||
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Drake
Germany6146 Posts
On March 27 2011 07:46 Kvothe wrote: Lol you have to be joking, you would bet on Goody in the GSL, have you watched the GSL? Did you seriously watch the last GSTL? You must not have watched the last games that were tvt, there is absolutely no fucking way, Goody could do what MMA and MVP were doing. If you mean he mechs out and pushes with auto repaired scvs following, then yes Goody is a master. What tournaments is goody winning left and right? Go back and watch when he plays White-ra a month or so ago, he gets torn apart with multi harass. Play on a decent sized map, and hes going to get destroyed. Granted he did beat nestea, or more nestea beat himself. If Goody wins more than one more series in this tournament I'll eat my words. he is every week go4sc2 final nearly (often from 2-0 to 2-3 cause he "tryes" marines maruaders ^^) wins often the 200€ there also wins often zotac etc nearly 1-3 tournament wins EVERY WEEK ! and yes i watch gsl and goodys tvt would crush everyone there when they play what they do in gsl ... why whould it be different from what nestea did ? i mean he is also gsl and ... well whatever GOGO GOODY ofc everyonec an say HE CUBE 5 marines and 3 tanks in every fac and 3k overmins and is supplyblocked every 5 minutes but as quote from goody himself "you play it like this" xDD ps: all lag whiners read jinros tread ! PLZ ! | ||
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Snaphoo
United States614 Posts
- ThorZain absolutely face-crushed FruitDealer, for example. His decision-making and strategy left FruitDealer floundering. - Similarly, MC 3-gated Ciara into oblivion without building a singly sentry and WITHOUHT LOSING A SINGLE UNIT due to micro. - MVP decided to march 3 barracks' worth of units across the entire length of Xel'Naga, lose pretty much everything, and then fail to claw his way back into the game... that's exactly the decision-making (and scenario) that lost him his first Up-and-Down match against SlayerSAlicia in GSL March. - Genius's response to QXC's ghost/reaper/bio harass style was to pump out tons of HTs and wander around the map aimlessly for 20 minutes without attacking. I'm REALLY skeptical that lag was a major factor in any of these games; the losers were soundly out-played in all of them. | ||
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Eurekastreet
1308 Posts
On March 27 2011 08:33 luckybeni2 wrote: But they also beat code S players so what you are saying is irrelevant. Idra was very consistent in GSL and lost mainly to Jinro in the later stages of the tournament (kicking out some of the best) so why does he get beat by those 2-3 tier koreans? Because they are a lot better than most code S players as we have seen in the team matches. They just rarely deliver that in tournaments. True, although the only conclusion I'd take from that is that there's not much diff in code A/code S when it comes to skills (at least for now). As for the rest, it'd be nice (hell I'd love) to think that EU/US players have the same skill level as the koreans, but from what I read on this forum and matches I spectated (Genius at Blizzcon, Ace at IEM), we westerners ain't there yet (guys like Idra or Jinro can make me hope the gap is closing in, but Goody so far, not really, he's rock solid at turtling but never impressed me with anything else....and again, I want my game to be more complex than "the best turtle wins", for the entertainment value, if nothing else. | ||
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Weaponx3
Canada232 Posts
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Fungal Growth
United States434 Posts
QXC is so 1-dimensionally hyper-aggressive it isn't funny. Think he said something along the lines of "If you're not attacking you're losing" during blizconn... Had Genius and his team had done their proper homework they would have realized this...and he probably would have realized (especially in the last game) that he has to counter sooner and harder to take advantage of QXC's aggression. Goody is obviously known for his mech and especially tank play...so NesTea goes roaches in the last game? Mech is very weak too air and weak vs roach (well unless it is mass roaches vs thors), and I think if NesTea and the IM team had done their proper homework they would have realized mutas and even broodlords had to be the emphasis. | ||
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Shooks
Australia256 Posts
On March 27 2011 08:59 Snaphoo wrote: Lag may affect games, but - ThorZain absolutely face-crushed FruitDealer, for example. His decision-making and strategy left FruitDealer floundering. - Similarly, MC 3-gated Ciara into oblivion without building a singly sentry and WITHOUHT LOSING A SINGLE UNIT due to micro. - MVP decided to march 3 barracks' worth of units across the entire length of Xel'Naga, lose pretty much everything, and then fail to claw his way back into the game... that's exactly the decision-making (and scenario) that lost him his first Up-and-Down match against SlayerSAlicia in GSL March. - Genius's response to QXC's ghost/reaper/bio harass style was to pump out tons of HTs and wander around the map aimlessly for 20 minutes without attacking. I'm REALLY skeptical that lag was a major factor in any of these games; the losers were soundly out-played in all of them. oGs live with the TL guys which all have accounts, you think they didn't let MC borrow them? Lag affects decision making to, when will people realize this. | ||
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underdawg
United States399 Posts
On March 27 2011 08:59 CoR wrote: he is every week go4sc2 final nearly (often from 2-0 to 2-3 cause he "tryes" marines maruaders ^^) wins often the 200€ there also wins often zotac etc nearly 1-3 tournament wins EVERY WEEK ! and yes i watch gsl and goodys tvt would crush everyone there when they play what they do in gsl ... why whould it be different from what nestea did ? i mean he is also gsl and ... well whatever GOGO GOODY ofc everyonec an say HE CUBE 5 marines and 3 tanks in every fac and 3k overmins and is supplyblocked every 5 minutes but as quote from goody himself "you play it like this" xDD ps: all lag whiners read jinros tread ! PLZ ! huh? i am sure jinro is telling the truth about his internet connection. i am also sure that MC, boxer, and fruitdealer are similarly telling the truth...jinro is not the overseer of everyone's interwebs | ||
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unoriginalname
England380 Posts
Game 2: I enjoyed seeing the reaper/ghosts in the Xel'Naga set, but play looked very sloppy on both sides. Well placed EMP's on the second set, but the phoenixes ran wild in the former set. Game 3: Bad decision making by both (no wall in WTF?). A pretty disappointing to watch series unless you're one of the people who think that a European winning against a Korean overrides the games themselves for fun factor. Game 4: There are jokes for Zergs massing drones, and anything that attacks them during that stage is considered an all-in cheese, but wow. Also very bad drops (or at least attempts at them), if Ret criticised Naniwa's poor multi-tasking skills he should take a look in the mirror. Hopefully there will be 'cleaner' games tomorrow. I did enjoy that they were all macro games though. | ||
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zeru
8156 Posts
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Holdinga
Bulgaria300 Posts
Adelscott played amazing today, even though his macro slipped up a couple of times, he really played amazing. Btw i dont think I have ever seen that many broodlords at 1 time at rets game on metalopolis xD | ||
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